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In our 2013 fantasy baseball rankings, we’ve gone over so many flippin’ players I’ve lost track.  This is, I believe, the top 60 starters for 2013 fantasy baseball, but you’re best to check the title to be sure.   If it is indeed the top 60 starters, then you’re in luck.  Only a few more top 20 rankings posts.  What is it, February?  March?  Why don’t I have an app for this?  Or do I want a hashtag?  App ‘n Hashtag would be a good name for a 50′s style diner with wifi.  As with the other rankings posts, tiers and my projections are mentioned.  Anyway, here’s the top 60 starters for 2013 fantasy baseball:

41. Josh Johnson – This tier started in the top 40 starters for 2013 fantasy baseball.  This tier goes from here until Haren. I called this tier, “Some are excited by these guys.  Even some writers on this site.  Not I (or is it me?).”  Here’s what I said when Johnson was traded to the Blue Jays, “Little known fact, when I was under the age of eight, I used to call my johnson a Blue Jay of happiness. Did I say eight? I meant twenty-eight. *giggles like an embarrassed Lisa Simpson* In the past, the knock against Johnson has been his inability to stay healthy. This year, he made 30 starts for only the second time in his career. Unfortunately, he didn’t look like the dominant pitcher he was in 2009 or 2010. A huge drop in the strikeout rate and a bump up on his walk rate.  There’s a possibility here for more, but I tend to think his name value will make him more valuable than he’s worth, and with the league switch I’d let someone else take the gamble he unearths his past glory.  I hear One-Eyed Willy buried it off the coast of a nondescript California town that looks the other way when child actors become drug addicts. Basically, every California town.”  And that’s me quoting me!  2013 Projections:  14-8/3.86/1.26/160

42. Anibal Sanchez – This offseason, I wrote about Anibal, “Tigers re-signed him (her?).  First clue that I’m human, when I heard I was sitting on the same stool that was once used by a 90-year-old woman to sit on while showering, I shuddered.  Second clue that I’m human, I loved Anibal going into last year.  Through two months, he had a 2.57 ERA and looked primed for a break out.  Things fell apart in June when he posted a 7.06 ERA and a 3.99 BB/9, easily his wildest month.  During the month of June, Anibal averaged a 91+ MPH, which is around what he throws, but his location was all over the map.  Not sure if he was struggling with mechanics — you said it would only be $170 to fix the taillight! — but he righted the ship as the season went on, and ending up having a 2.43 ERA in September.  A bigger concern is he threw his fastball a lot less in 2012 and lost any strikeout gains he made in 2011.  He looks like a number two to (stutterer!) three fantasy starter and, unlike going into last year, I don’t see the number one fantasy upside.”  And That’s Me Quoting Me, Part 2:  The Return of Something I Already Said!  2013 Projections:  13-9/3.92/1.28/180

43. Matt Garza – If he gets 200 innings, he will have a 3.60 ERA and 195 Ks.  Yummers!  If he has a setback with his stress fracture in his throwing elbow, he can kiss his season goodbye.  Bummers!  2013 Projections:  8-9/3.74/1.24/168

44. Dan Haren – I already went over my Dan Haren 2013 fantasy.  It’s a humdinger.  More dinger than hum, unfortunately.  2013 Projections:  7-6/3.95/1.27/120 in 150 innings

45. Hiroki Kuroda – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Vogelsong.  I call this tier, “I like them, but if drafting one causes an erection for longer than four hours, see a doctor.”  It’s hard to argue with the numbers Kuroda put up in New York last year.  I mean, you could argue with them, but then you’d be arguing with a bunch of integers.  Why not just wear a potato sack for a dress, you crazy person!  Am I surprised by said numbers?  Yes.  Am I willing to believe a guy with a career 3.42 ERA in 918 2/3 IP?  Still yes.  2013 Projections:  15-12/3.68/1.19/165

46. Doug Fister – You think when he’s having a rough outing Leyland goes the mound and says to him, “Happy? Dugout — Fister!” and Doug’s like, “Who are you getting fresh with?”  Nah, probably not, unless they’re both starring in an Ice Cube-directed movie.  Last year, Fister had a 7.63 K/9.  Think that’s about the upper reaches of his ability, i.e., Fister isn’t known for his punchouts — pun point!  Though, he does keep the ball down, has decent Ks and doesn’t walk many.  He’s better than he seems but it’s hard to build excitement for Fister.  That’s what she said!  Huh?  2013 Projections:  13-8/3.49/1.17/145

47. Josh Beckett -  This guy takes my fantasy dislike over to real world dislike.  He just seems like a douche.  I know, truly relevant fantasy analysis.  Well, it is kinda relevant, since I might have some real world prejudice against Beckett but I still like him this year.  Beckett was a hair away from dropping to the next tier (vets I don’t like much).  His velocity dropped from 2011 to last year by two miles per hour.  His Ks fell off the table.  The only thing that has me not dropping him is he’ll be in a great park and division to succeed, and what he did last year after his trade to the Dodgers (2.93 ERA, 1.33 WHIP in 43 IP).  There’s a good chance he’s nothing more than a Capuano-type with a more recognizable name.  2013 Projections:  15-7/3.44/1.25/165

48. Lance LynnI do these posts by writing out all the names, then I rank them, then I add in the blurbs and projections.  Sometimes I’ll write a name and next to it I’ll put a note to remember for later when writing the blurbs.  The note next to Lynn read, “Check to see if he’s in the rotation.”  The Cards have Carpenter, Wainwright, Jaime Garcia, Westbrook and then… Lynn?  Miller?  Joe Kelly?  Garcia will probably be hurt most of 2013 and this is why he hasn’t been ranked yet.  So that moves Miller into the rotation with Lynn, right?  I’m not sure.  The Cardinals seemed to like Lynn in the bullpen and, other than his big splash to open the season, Lynn wasn’t great as a starter.  With Lynn, I have a feeling I just ranked my first middle reliever.  UPDATE:  Carpenter is already injured so the Gods of Strike-Through have spoken and Lynn will almost assuredly be in the rotation.  I still worry about how poor he was after he came out of the gate strong, but he should now get a near-full season and he’s got the giddy up for some Ks.  2013 Projections:  12-7/3.94/1.34/182

49. Wade Miley – Upfront I will say (well, upfront after I’ve written about 50,000 words on rankings), I like Miley but if people are drafting for last year’s stats as they are prone to do, Miley will probably be off the table by this point.  I’m surprised I like Miley at all because he’s not a strikeout guy.  He could easily regress to an under 6 K/9 rate.  That’s terrible.  I’ve never liked anyone with that bad of a strikeout rate.  Patooey!  That’s me spitting in the direction of his feet.  What has me intrigued — intrigued, I tell ya! — is how dramatically he cut his walks.  For K/BB (one of the best stats to see how good a pitcher is, but not infallible — not infallible, I tell ya!), he was tenth best in the majors.  Above him, Bumgarner, below him Shields.  He had by far the worst K-rate in that top ten, but only Blanton from that top ten hasn’t been ranked yet.  The FotO says when you’re striking out people way more than you’re walking them, good things will happen, but when doing it with so few strikeouts bad things can happen pretty quickly.  So I like Miley — weird! — but if someone drafts him earlier, don’t sweat it.  2013 Projections:  11-9/3.88/1.28/142

50. Brett Anderson – Nice for ratio stabilization.  Not so nice for Ks.  No wonder I can’t build excitement for this tier that I supposedly like; none of these guys rack up the Ks.  Should’ve known that, especially since I’m the one writing this shizz.  2013 Projections:  9-7/3.49/1.18/110

51. Trevor Cahill – Going to the Diamondbacks, he upped his K-rate and lowered his walk rate.  It didn’t hurt that he faced the Padres for 30 2/3 IP last year.  That’s like when the kid on your Little League who sucks hits leadoff because his dad is the coach.  In other words, setting the Diamondbacks’ rotation was Cahill’s dad.  Aw, Cust playin’.  Cahill’s not that bad.   He’s about average.  Cahill’s mom made me write that.  2013 Projections:  14-11/3.67/1.28/162

52. Ryan Vogelsong – He seems to beat his xFIP every year.  It must be something in the San Fran air.  Probably the fly balls that don’t leave the park.  He is the epitome of this tier since it’s hard to excited about him, which is ironic since he can help strengthen a staff.  2013 Projections:  13-8/3.65/1.25/160

53. Johan Santana – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until McCarthy.  I call this tier, “If you stay seated while you flush an airplane toilet, the pressure will suck out forty feet of your colon and your colon will be hanging out of the airplane at 30,000 feet.”  What I mean by the tier name is these guys may make you feel comfortable for a moment after your draft, but they’re gonna do more harm than they’re worth.  After putting a slew of players I liked in the top 52, we were due for a huge tier of players I’m not drafting.  Most are just older pitchers.  Some are injured.  Some are just whatever.  Either way, this is a tier to skip.  On June 1st of 2012, the ghosts of Ralph Kiner, Casey Stengal and Ed Kranepool all stood on a cloud above Citi Field and used their mystical powers to let Santana go H.A.M.  Then Kiner, Stengal and Kranepool’s ghosts started arguing about Ike Davis’s BABIP and ignored the rest of Santana’s season.  Not to mention, two of those people aren’t even dead (as of this writing, but Kiner’s not setting appointments too far in the future on his iCal, if you get my drift).  Johan’s fastball is down to 88 MPH and he couldn’t finish 2012 due to an injury after missing all of 2011.  You’ll probably get glimpses of usable Johan in 2013, so if your league has a Glimpses category, go all in.  2013 Projections:  10-8/3.75/1.29/154

54. Tommy Hanson – Should be fun to watch the Angels win a bunch of 10-8 games, then get bounced in the first round of the playoffs.  I’ll go out of a very sturdy limb and say the Angels will be on the market for a starter come July 31st.  I already went over my Tommy Hanson 2013 fantasy.  Not one mention of Hommy Tanson there, but there is a Heyward Jablome.  2013 Projections:  12-10/3.87/1.30/169

55. Ryan Dempster – Here’s what I said when he signed in the offseason, “This is such a recent Red Sox-type move.  John Lackey takes offense to that comment, and all AL teams take offense to Fenway.  Last year, Dempster was the same pitcher for the Cubs as he was for the Rangers.  Unless he and Matt Garza visited an old Asian man and made a wish to switch bodies.  In Chicago, Dempster was the good kind of lucky to have a 2.25 ERA in 104 IP.  In Texas, he was the bad kind of lucky to have a 5.09 ERA in 69 IP.  Last year in Great American, his BABIP was .143; in Wrigley it was .240; in Miller Park it was .143.  Then in the AL, his BABIP in Arlington was .361; .400 in Anaheim and .500 in Oakland.  That’s why he was terrible in Texas last year.  His K-rate actually went up in the 2nd half of the year.  None of this is meant to say Dempster is going to be terrific in Bahston.  He’s just not going to be terrible, either.  Hold on, someone’s knocking on my door.  ”Hello?”  ”Just say Dempster’s an average pitcher with better-than-average Ks and move on!”  Oh-kay….”  And that’s me quoting me!  2013 Projections:  13-10/3.90/1.31/188

56. C.J. Wilson – He’s on track to be healthy for Spring Training after undergoing left elbow surgery.  I can’t think of any pitchers who have ever had a set back following elbow surgery because I tend to forget about them for a full year until they are actually healthy again.  2013 Projections:  12-8/3.97/1.33/160

Chris CarpenterLast year, he pitched 17 regular season innings due to thoracic outlet syndrome.  Isn’t a thoracic something cockroaches have?  Well, if North Korea ever nukes us, I’m drafting Carpenter.  Otherwise, I’m passing.  UPDATE:  Carpenter’s done for the year prior to Spring Training.  The unders take it!  2013 Projections:  8-8/3.85/1.15/120

57. Jeremy Hellickson – If Cueto is a poor man’s Cain, then Hellickson is Cueto right after investing his life savings in copper engravings of Abraham Lincoln.  Hellickson doesn’t get Ks or groundballs and pitches in a poor division.  Um, yeah, no thanks.  2013 Projection:  9-10/3.78/1.27/138

58. Brandon McCarthy – Here’s what I said this offseason about McCarthy, “After being had for Jarrod Parker, the Diamondbacks are trying to exact some sort of revenge by signing ex-A’s pitcher, McCarthy.  I bet he can’t wait until the series in June when he can get the Reds, if only Trumbo was traded there.  McCarthy moves to an easier division, but a worse park.  Push.  He has the ability to help with ratios, but hurt in Ks.  Kick, Push, Coast… From 2011 to 2012, he walked more guys, struck out fewer, had an ERA almost a full run lower than his xFIP and was much worse at causing ground balls.  Pushing ahead, he’s an injury-prone, fantasy number three to four.” And that’s me quoting me!  2013 Projections:  10-7/3.64/1.20/117 in 170 IP

59. Marco Estrada – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until the top 80 starters for 2013 fantasy baseball.  I call this tier, “I love you, I love you not… I love you!”  This tier is filled with huge upside and extreme downside.  You’re just as likely to get a number two starter as you are to get a guy who you drop by the 2nd week of the season.  (Please don’t ask me why this tier’s projections look better than guys above them.  These guys have lots of risk attached to them.)  As I’ve said about seventeen hundred times before, take a flyer on upside with your last starter.  I have a Marco Estrada sleeper post primed to go out as soon as I finish the rankings.  I LOVE ESTRADA.  Caps due to a sticky keyboard.  The gist of that Marco Estrada sleeper post:  draft him in every league.  His K/BB is like a hot knife going through hot butter while you’re eating lobster.  He can easily be a number two starter.  I LOVE ESTRADA.  Weird how only those letters are sticky.  Hmm… 2013 Projections:  10-10/3.74/1.26/175 in 185 innings

60. Mike Fiers – I already went over my Mike Fiers 2013 fantasy.  I wrote it after spending twenty minutes deciding between calling him Mike or Michael.  2013 Projections:  11-8/3.89/1.29/167 in 185 innings

157 Responses

  1. Paulie Allnuts

    Paulie Allnuts says:
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    Outside of the obvious priority of setting up my draft strategy, this is why reading you is a must priority (Not that I can’t write a bit, but stuff like this makes me a bit envious, especially as I am a fan of the Metropolitans) : Not to mention, two of those people aren’t even dead (as of this writing, but Kiner’s not setting appointments too far in the future on his iCal, if you get my drift).

    • Rich says:
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      Paulie,
      This in reference to your article about Marty Bergen. Marty’s wife and children were related to friends of mine from high school years. This past summer we visited their grave. Marty’s official death record indicates suicide by shooting not by straight razor. BTW, my great-grandfather was John S.C. Smith who sold Marty the farm! How’s that for coincidence?
      Rich

  2. bossmanjunior says:
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    Why did you have to tease us with a great tier at the very end? I’m assuming high upside arms like Harvey are in there if I had to guess. Do I have to guess? Is that that you holding a gun to my head? No wait, that’s just my neighbor. He’s patrolling the boarders of my condo for illegal immigrants. So now I’ll just have to wait with giddy anticipation until Monday. Great job as always, senõr Grey.

  3. Steve says:
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    So much pitching…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Steve: So much…

  4. Byobeerling says:
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    No love for Matt Harvey in the top 60? You love you some K’s, yet a 23 year old that came up last year and dominated, can’t beat out the likes of Johan Santana, Tommy Hanson, and Josh Beckett (who I agree, seems like one of the bigger Douches in baseball). What gives? I understand the team and his K rate could regress some…But he’s got Ace stuff, without the health risk of some of these other guys.

    Keep up the great work!

  5. Chicago Mark says:
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    Hey Ma, meatloaf! Ok, that’s the best I can do.
    Don’t mean to be a Killjoy, but last year there were 55 pitchers with era’s <4.00. You're at 60 and counting. I can't wait to see how many more come Monday. Love your stuff Grey. But you're just too optomistic this time.
    Keep up the good work brother. I read you and the comments every day.

  6. ChillmanCometh says:
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    I’ll probably be grabbing Matt Moore or Zimmermann, Darvish or Samardzija, maybe get overzealous and grab a Morrow or Medlen, but I’ll probably wait until this tier that Grey is teasing us with to fill out the remainder of my staff… and what a mouth watering tease that is.

      • ChillmanCometh says:
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        @Grey: BTW… you and your companeros are the most interactive fantasy bloggers around… or it could be that I don’t wander to far away from my internet stoop. Anywhosits, can’t wait for the Razz Ball War Room.

        • Grey

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          Yeah, War Room is in serious “get the bugs out” mode right now… It’ll be around shortly…

  7. James Redacted

    James Redacted says:
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    Hey Grey – Keep 4 in a 10 teamer Roto: R, HR, RBI SB, OBP, SLG, AVG x W, SV, K, K/9, ERA, WHIP, QS…..Usual positions + MI, CI, 5 OF

    Bourn (14th)
    Cespedes (14th)
    Wieters (7th)
    Trumbo (16th)
    Kinsler (2nd)
    Aramis Ramirez (7th)
    Ian Kennedy (20th)
    Scherzer (15th)

    Leaning Bourn, Cespedes, Kinsler, and Scherzer (double counting K categories!). Thoughts? Thanks man!

  8. Jim says:
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    Hope your Estrada love lasts longer then Kim K’s for Chris Humphries since i scooped him off the waiver wire at seasons end in my dynasty league last year.

    • Wallpaper Paterson says:
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      @Jim: If Milwaukee keeps him in the rotation he might be fine. They didn’t seem to know if he was better in the rotation or as a reliever. Maybe they have it figured out now.

      • Pistol Pete says:
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        @Wallpaper Paterson: Currently the Brewers have Estrada penciled in as their number 2

  9. jimbo says:
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    “I LOVE ESTRADA. Caps due to a sticky
    keyboard.”

    And sticky keyboard due to…?

    • Wallpaper Paterson says:
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      @jimbo: A Mexican Coca-Cola spill, naturally.

  10. Ian says:
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    $5 Matt Moore

    or

    $24 CarGo

    Keepers can be kept indefinitely, prices increase $5/year

    • Ian says:
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      @Ian: Also considering $20 Stras and $7 Chapman (together) for $5 Lawrie

      • Grey

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        @Ian: I’d take Moore… Not a good deal for Lawrie…

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        @Ian: Oh, for Strasburg and Chapman it’s great though…

  11. The prophet says:
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    Where does some of your information come from?

    1) Lincecum was not “terrible” in the second half last year…his era was 3.83 with 96k’s in 99 inn. If one of your sleepers did that you’d be patting yourself on the back till next season.

    2) A.Sanchez “righted the ship” after June? Really? His july era/whip was 4.65/1.48 and his August was 4.82/1.64 with a 6.56 K/9 in those two months. I guess by rebound you mean from that ridiculous 7+ era in June, but to say that those stats constitute a rebound just isn’t accurate, as much as it kills you since he’s your boy.

    3) “at best (Haren) misses at least a month”? The guy was a picture of durability for a decade. I understand his hip has worried teams this offseason, and he’s a risk..but his best case scenario is probably 34 starts, sub 3.50/1.20 era/whip. You can’t say that a guy who never hit the DL before last year is guaranteed to miss at least a month…hes not Longoria! 2nd half last year: 3.58/1.12…Haren is an example of a guy you haven’t been crazy about, so we get a glass half empty approach. If his 2nd half were anything like A.Sanchez, you’d be listing those stats and ripping Haren. Instead, Sanchez pathetic 2nd half is called a “rebound” and harens decent 2nd half isn’t even listed (in your earlier post).

    Your site is informative but my issue has always been that you seem to decide who you like and dislike for the season, and then fill in the backup stats later…and reach in anyway you can to make those numbers fit your argument, while cherry picking stats and leaving out important ones. Once the season starts your reluctance to admit that you may have been wrong on a guy becomes almost comical, as is your overreaction to small sample sizes of guys you get right. It’s like if a guy does what you thought he would after one month..we get countless “I told ya so”…but if its not working in your favor we’ll get a “we need more time” theme, which you’ll carry to September if need be, rather then admit to bring wrong.

    • BrewFreeOrDie says:
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      @The prophet:

      1) If you look at the numbers Grey predicted for 2013 they are almost identical to Lincecum’s second half from last year. They might not be terrible, but they’re not worth what you’ll have to pay to get Lincecum. I’m staying clear of him.

      2) If you actually read the post it said Sanchez “eventually righted the ship”, not that everything was all gravy after June. Sanchez finished with a 3.86 ERA on the season with 167 K’s – not stellar, but not necessarily going to lose you a fantasy championship if he’s your numero dos/tres.

      3) If you’re drafting either Lincecum or Haren this year, you’re overpaying for the name brand. I’m not incredibly high on Sanchez either, but some guys that Grey has listed above Haren (Parker, Morrow, Niese, and Samardzija to name a few) will probably be drafted around the same time and I feel more comfortable with.

      Grey tends to go out on a limb for a certain type of player (donkeys, high K ratios), but then again, we all do, or everyone would just draft the same team. Chicks dig the long ball, Grey digs the chicks, Grey digs the long ball, I dig the solid pitcher ratios, I dig the chicks, I have no idea where I’m going with this. I’m planning to just draft Felix or Strasburg and devour hitters from that point on. I think 2013 will be the best Fantasy Baseball year in quite awhile.

      • TheNewGuy says:
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        @BrewFreeOrDie:

        Some good points Brew, though for the last point you’re just dig-ging yourself a deeper hole lol (see what I did there).

    • Grey

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      @The prophet: Lincecum’s walk rate was still bad, his Ks actually went down in the 2nd half but he did have better luck… I don’t like Anibal this year, so not sure what me saying he righted the ship has to with him being my boy… Teams actively would not sign Haren due to his hip, if you want to take that chance after I’ve listed 50+ pitchers that are solid, that’s on you…

      • Sky

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        Anibal can’t be your boy if he has a girl’s name. So he’s your girl, along with Gaby Sanchez.

    • Bill_Buckner says:
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      @The prophet: Aren’t you the same clown that was giving the most godawful keeper advice in the comments of yesterday’s post? I’ll take Grey’s advice, thanks. It’s already helped me win several leagues in the last couple years…

    • tenaciousdeucer says:
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      @The prophet:

      Sounds like somebody forgot to use conditioner on his ass pubes this morning.

      I disagree with Grey’s assessments regularly but he’s as good as any other ‘spert I’ve read and at least he has his own site and is entertaining most of the time. Considering some of the guys The Mouse has on staff that is a massive achievement in the industry.

      That you can have so much hate over such minutia and still read his posts really transcends the fantasy game altogether.

      • BillyBoy says:
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        @tenaciousdeucer:
        Ahhhhh… the conditioner makes it all better now….

      • The prophet says:
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        @tenaciousdeucer:
        First, everytime I say something negative about grey (and I knew this would happen) you guys jump all over his sc*tum and run to the rescue. He’s not your friend. He’s an Internet guy producing solid fantasy baseball advice. Stop acting like disciples. Second, every time I post negatively about grey you clowns gloss over my main point to attack me in any way you can. I don’t have issue with him being wrong. I have issue with his reaction to being wrong, which is to make excuses and cherry pick stats in order to produce arguments/make excuses to back up preseason statements that are proving incorrect. It’s absolutely a glass half full approach on “his” predictions and glass half empty on others. It’s the lack of objectivity once the season starts that bothers me. Thirdly, if you didn’t realize that my keeper advice was me mocking those questions with obvious answers, well then you are worse off than I thought when I characterized you as a Grey disciple.

        • Todd25 says:
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          @The prophet: Dude. how are you any different? everyone uses stats to say what they want, you did in your post. 2 people will always look at the same thing and get a different opinion. Democrats and Republicans do this all the time. Fantasy advice is no different, this is an opinion site, by a guy sharing his opinion based on his own research. it is what is, even when he’s “wrong”, there are still stats that support his opinion, as are those that say the other.

          haters be hatin’.

          • Adam Wainwright, III says:
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            @Todd25: possibly the worst retort I’ve ever read

        • Bill_Buckner says:
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          @The prophet: You said “Thirdly, if you didn’t realize that my keeper advice was me mocking those questions with obvious answers, well then you are worse off than I thought when I characterized you as a Grey disciple.”

          The problem is their questions were valid. Sure a few keepers were obvious, but that doesn’t mean they can’t ask the questions. You answering their questions by purposely selecting the worst keeper options made you look like a worthless troll. Reading your comments here today, it’s not too difficult to detect a pattern.

          I am not a Grey disciple. I too disagree with some of his opinions (I’m thankful I avoided Kendrick and Uggla last season), but for you to launch a self-important diatribe about how Grey owes it to you to beg for everyone’s forgiveness if one of “his guys” doesn’t have a solid season is childish.

          You’re not forced to read the advice, nor agree with it. I, for one, am thankful that he puts this time into the site and gives me something to read while at work. If that makes me a disciple, then you can call me Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John…

          If you don’t like his style/projections/mustache, there are a ton of other “Experts” out there that you can troll – and they actually get paid for their work….

        • Tony says:
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          @Wallpaper Paterson: LOL thats a good one….

          @The prophet: If ya don’t like it, don’t come back “prophet”…. You have to take any site with a grain of salt, but come on, you posting your post was just an attempt to stir the pot…. it’s kinda funny, kind of annoying, and in the end pointless…. if you don’t like the stlye of this site, go find another, i’ve read every site from here to there and this is hands down the best info out there. The commentors are insightful, grey and rudy do a great job, and the posts are great…. I dont know how long you’ve been around but I’ve been following, commenting, etc for around 6 years now? This site has went from a few commenters totaling maybeeee 20-30 posts a day depending on the popularity of the post to every single post in the offseason getting 100+ replies/posts and inseason, wow, i dont know what this season is going to do, 400?500?600? replies/comments per day? it’s going to be effing insane….. so yeah not everything grey says happens, comes trues, is rainbows and butterflies, but the guys got some good insight, and you have to look at what kind of league you’re in… My main long time league is a H2H league, 12 teams, 10×10, ya hows dem apples, different, yep…. so everything grey and rudy say doesn’t exactly apply to me…. Make peace with yourself, drink a beer, and have a good fantasy season, at least when greys wrong he says some funny shit that makes ya laugh about how wrong he was…. no “pert” is ever right all the time…. ok im done.

    • Wallpaper Paterson says:
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      @The prophet: Hey everyone, it’s Matthew Berry!

    • beardcrabs says:
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      @The prophet: is this the david wright guy again…

    • nyydj2 says:
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      @The prophet: Hey Prophet, relax dude, someday Colvin will hit those 40 HR you so masterfully predicted. Chill.

  12. TheNewGuy says:
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    Wow top60 already, been away for a job interview and already missed the whole top 40! Got the job though which is great, will read the rankings later cos got a trade question we’re still working on:

    Profar (prosp)+ Moustakas ($0) for Encarnacion (1$) + Butler (7$)

    Like the fact im getting Profar to upgrade my minors system but dont love giving E5. Like the deal?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @TheNewGuy: Congrats! Don’t love the deal…

      • TheNewGuy says:
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        @Grey: Thanks man. Yeah me too tbh…am working on trying to negotiate it to lose only 1 major leaguer for a stud prospect.

        Another trade im working on I like the idea of more, might post it up later on a new post so you can find it easier.

  13. Hey all -
    Sorry to digress from SPs but I’m neck deep in Holds projections/research.

    For those of you in 2012 leagues with Holds and Saves, can you let me know:
    1) How many teams?
    2) Total or average Holds per team
    3) Total or average Saves per team

    I need some data to help estimates Point Shares for Holds. My best guess for 12-team would be: 60 saves/team, 50 holds/team. (WTF was I thinking here…calc’d wrong…meant about 90/saves team (total 1100 for league) and something like 70-75 for Holds.

    • Todd25 says:
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      @Rudy Gamble: 10 teams, 75.1 saves/team 43.8 holds/team and there is are a couple outliers as: 2 teams went RP heavy, and separately 1 team had zero closers by end of year and all RP on team were elite holds guys.

    • VinWins

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      @Rudy Gamble: 12-team

      92.75 Saves
      78.5 Holds

    • Public Enemy#1 says:
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      @Rudy Gamble: We use saves + holds in a 16 team league I’m in. Would you like that kind of info? I’m not sure if you want that or just separate info for saves and holds rather than saves + holds.

      • Thx but more interested in them separately.

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          I play a 12 team H2H. My team rosters 3SP, 3 RP, 3 P any given day. I tend to see 6-8 holds a week FTW. I traded away my two $12 salads and went with a new strategy called HAGNOF! I ended the season with about 110 holds.

          • Grey

            Grey says:
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            HAGNOF — Ha…

  14. Jay29 says:
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    Grey, nice Top 60 so far. A couple choices that I don’t agree will be worth their ranking (Ryu, Milone, Hughes), but everybody’s an expert in February.

    Here are three guys I have in my Top 60 that I’m surprised not to see in this post, though I’m sure we’ll see them on Monday:

    Michael Fiers — I know you wrote a sleeper post about him a couple weeks ago. I think people see him and think “one-year wonder” just because he wasn’t a stud prospect, but all his numbers look repeatable (once you combine his awesome 1st half and rotten 2nd half). His curve is outstanding, which is why he gets Ks without a 90+ mph fastball. 13/3.75/1.25/193.

    Matt Harvey — Young gun with a fastball ready to drop a 9+ K-rate on the NL in a big ballpark — this seems like a description of someone Grey would drool over. Obviously the hype is going to make him undraftable for most of us, but I think he’ll be good. 12/3.50/1.27/177.

    Juan Nicasio — Yeah, bad ballpark and an injury history, but he should have a pretty nice K/BB (around 3+), very Mike Minor-like profile. BABIP last year was absurd, even for Coors. 12/3.85/1.26/172.

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        @Grey: Yeah I remembered the Harvey post right after I submitted my comment. I bet you’d take him over that has-been SP group, but I know you don’t like to break up your tiers… :-)

        I thought the Rockies were abandoning that strategy. Can you post a link?

        My projection was assuming about 5.5 IP/GS for Nicasio (I used the FanGraphs Fans projection tool this year, it’s pretty neat). I guess I’d have to knock off another couple Ws and a dozen Ks if he won’t approach 5.5…

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      @Jay29:
      mmhmm and Tim Hudson.

  15. Mr. Gray: I always post in the nude… I cannot begin to list all of the reasons, why I do – as my posts are already too long (sorry)… Let it suffice to say, the list begins with online porn and ends there too… NudeMessageBoardPostersofAmerica .com is a super online help group – if needed or interested in its chatrooms… (there fantasy sports rooms galore on there)

    Lincecum: …. see above.. HE’S BACK!!!… I do think, his problem is all maryichawana – he always blowing it.. He does have a problem with it… Like to see him quit it..

    Milone: Thanks for posting him up here… Love the guy… He takes SO MUCH grief, because, he is just a pitcher… If some of the so-called (other people’s) talents, could just have his mind for the game, they might be good pitchers too…. He is a classic “gamer”… Now, that is real baseball… ….. In FBB, I’m not touching him… Sorry, Mr. Milone…

    AnneBelle Snachez: I’m always thinking the same … Maybe, we are finally mind-melding… Perhaps, this is not the right place to reveal this… But I must admit, I am having closer feelings regarding you all the time, Mr Gray … Perhaps, someday soon, we’ll meet up in one of the chatrooms on NMBPoA .com.. Wouldn’t that be a hoot…

    I like Sanchez this year for WINs in Det…. He’s a Ryan Dempster on a better team.. With Way More Upside… Think, 17 is not unrealistic.. Wins are tricky and elusive things in FBB… RATs be damned… WINs and Ks win roto ball…

    One thing we are not mind-melding is Yankee pitching… Think the Yankees stub their toes this year and struggle… There is a chance they are not much more than a 500 team… And that band box is a scary place for pitchers

    McCarthy: … Is electric when not hurt… That is almost never… I know, I’ve DLed him so many times – I have a permanent DL slot with his name on it…. He has been beaned now (had head surgery!!!!)… I wish him well … But, talk about a Red Flag pitcher… I’m SHOCKED!!!, he is on this list… I would not be surprised if he is out of BB before the end of ST… Good luck Mr. McCarthy…

    Marco – Night Sweats – Estrada: Yeap, on board with ya… Hope, the bus isn’t too crowded though… Mike – Night Sweats – Fiers must be coming shortly too… GET ON BOARD!!!
    The Brew Crew are going to be good this year…

    Waiting on pins and needles for this one, “How does the Razzman really feel on the Bud Norris question”… The Worst K man of them all… Will he ever find perfection???

    Keep working hard.. You’re almost there, kido.. See ya around the chatrooms, Mr. Gray…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @t moore: Ha, thanks! I will go check out the chatroom in my birthday suit, hope to see you there! Bud Norris is coming…Eventually… Next stop Milwaukee to say hello to Estrada!

  16. Jon says:
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    So no upside for Anderson, huh? Are your projections assuming he gets in a full seasons worth of starts?

    • Grey

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      @Jon: A near full season for him… Which would be upside in itself…

      • Jon says:
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        @Grey: good point!

  17. Hats for Bats says:
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    Just to give Miley some love, I watched him on the tube during interleague play and he went 8.1 strong against the Rangers lineup. He has potential to be greater than these rankings, but with blahtastic peripherals I can understand why you ranked him so low this year. I foresee him ending with just after Top 25 status.

    • Random Collmenter says:
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      @Hats for Bats: yeah, I watched Miley several times last year and he just pounds the bottom of the zone. As it were.

  18. * PROJECTIONS UPDATE *

    We’ve added Quality Starts and Holds to the Steamer Projections. (Like Saves, these are projected by me so thank/complain/question me vs. Steamer on them).

    • Hats for Bats says:
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      @Rudy Gamble: Thanks Rudy. You da man!

  19. Tehol Beddict says:
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    Mr. Albright, how long is Cashner going to be out and is he going to be in the top 100? the anticipation is killing me. I got pissed of last year in a full team dynasty league and traded B.J. Upton for him, as nobody in the league would give me anything of value for him, which pissed me off to no end. The trade looks ridiculous now of course. I didn’t have a spot for Upton though, as I have Trout, Stanton and Jennings roaming my outfield(though Upton is probalby better than jennings). Am i going to look back at this trade and commit suicide or will Cashner ever come through for your boy?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      He will be in the top 100, but he’s already hurt and might miss the first few weeks of the season then he’ll probably be hurt again soon after that… It’s not a great trade looking at it now, but keep your head up, Tehol… At least you didn’t trade Trout for him…

    • beardcrabs says:
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      @Tehol Beddict: geez, just forget that trade ever happened…

  20. Rags says:
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    You don’t think that Santana’s second half was from overstressing the injury and things could get better with the offseason to rest?

    I’m in an NL-only keeper and have to decide whether to keep, drop or try to trade Santana at 10 and Miley at 8.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Trade him…

    • birrrdy! says:
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      @Rags: I agree with Grey on this one (about not keeping Santana). And I’m a big fan of Santana this year. But he won’t go for much more than $10 in your draft if you drop him. Actually, I think it may be better to drop him than to trade him, because then you have a chance of getting him back for about the same dollars and Grey’s predictions of 10-8/3.75/1.29/154 aren’t too shabby. Santana is being careful with his arm, and he should show some life early in the season again. If he has a great April and May, then think about trading him before his arm wears out again. He has the name value to get an overpay if he has hot start. But get him as a value in the draft, not as a $10 keeper when you have a better value in Miley at $8.

  21. Todd25 says:
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    @Grey: Vogelsong, Weaver, and Cueto, (and to a degree Cain) Pitchers that annually spit in the face of xFIP. Then while it wipes the spit from its face one of the others sneaks behind it on their hands and knees, and then Weaver pushes xFIP overtop, gotcha! Yeah these guys always seem to flirt with disaster, but Weaver did have and injury last season he was hiding so that could explain the dip in Ks, etc.

    My thought is there are just some guys that whether by deception in delivery (Weaver and Cueto) or something else, they just have the magic for keeping people just enough off balance that they will always laugh in the face of xFIP. All that being said, i am not drafting Weaver and mayyyybe Cueto (most his numbers are actually trending in the right direction, xFIP, BB/9, GB%, LOB%) unless theres a bargain to be had. I definitely understand the trepidation.

    thoughts?

    • Grey

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      I think they can easily surprise again, but I don’t think it’s worth paying to find out when there’s so many pitchers to be had… I don’t mind Vogelsong, though…

  22. Tchaikovsky08 says:
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    Grey, I’ve been offered the following trade in my keeper league (14 team H2H, $260 budget, $130 keeper budget, guys like Ryan Braun and CarGo routinely go at auction for $58-$62):

    I receive: Justin Upton (signed through 2014 at $36 this year, $38 next year); Ike Davis ($5 minimum contract for 2013); Nick Markakis ($5 minimum contract for 2013)

    I give: Chase Headley ($5 minimum for 2013); Huston Street ($10 for 2013).

    I could also do the deal of Upton + Davis for just Headley. Thoughts? My major concern is that I would be committing to Upton for two guaranteed years, but if he turns into a first-round value, it would be a great contract.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I like the deal for you… I’d take Nick too…

  23. 80's Full of Hate says:
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    I’m still smoldering from all the fire you said i was on yesterday. In honor of all the love I will be hateful of anything 80′s, including the elderly.

    wow, this is the I don’t want to draft any of these guys unless someone is twisting my arm and making me say uncle. you have definitely helped put some draft srategy into perspective, have two starters by this point of the draft and then go bat, bats, batty. Until i get to the short eyes on the hill portion of the show. Speaking of shows, were you thinking vice versa when you wrote “Unless he and Matt Garza visited an old Asian man and made a wish to switch bodies”, ah the Judge, i miss him in movies.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Judge! Yeah, I was thinking of some 80′s movie where Asian men have magical powers…

      • 80's Full of Hate says:
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        @Grey: that put a Big Trouble in Little China smile on my face…we need more jack burton’s in movies.

        in vice versa he got the skull thinggy in Asia, so pretty close and Gremlins he got the Mogwhy from a Chinese man. Why can’t they get cool mystical stuff in movies from Canada or Wisconsin. cust sayin

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Everything good died with Jack Warden.

          • 80's Full of Hate says:
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            @Grey: he was great in Dirty Work.

            oh and from my first post when i say hateful it really means a weird kinda love. Like when your father beats you and tells you it’s because he loves you. “No daddy, stop, i don’t want to be loved.”

            • Grey

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              Ha! Yeah, why wouldn’t you want to be loved by your dad who beats you up showing his love in a weird way?

              • 80's Full of Hate says:
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                @Grey: just like, i wish i could berate some of the commentors to make them better commentors. But i probably would be booted from the site. love through hate

          • 80's Full of Hate says:
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            @Grey: you do know who Jack Burton is?

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Yeah, I know who Burton was, was making an aside about Warden…

              • 80's Full of Hate says:
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                @Grey: first time I saw warden was in used cars, classic childhood fav. which had jack Burton in it.

  24. OaktownSteve says:
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    That’s a solid Dalton Trumbo reference, Albright. I have a client named Trumbo who tells me all American Trumbos are related. Back to one Trumboskiwitzazyski or some such at Ellis Island.

    I like the confidence in Tommy Glavine Milone. His ceiling is Glavine’s 2000 season. He’s an uncanny replica. Not sure if he can play hockey.

    Think the guy you missed on was CJ. No structural damage to the elbow. Just bone spurs. Had it done before. A clean out. I’m no doctor, but I have had to give medicine to a deranged cat.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks! Yeah, could be with CJ, but I’ll go back to my old standby that there’s so many pitchers without elbow surgery to choose from that I’m fine avoiding him…,

  25. KO says:
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    Your missing Buchholz. Now healthy with the pitching coach that made him a star. He is a breakout waiting to happen. His stats were skewed last year by his injury riddled start. Breakout out his splits, factor in his talent, and he is money in the bank to be a Top 40 option never mind top 60. Please refer back this around the All-star break and feel free to email me. P.S. The inside on Tommy Hanson’s should probably resembles rotting ground beef. Get Dr. Andrews on speed dial.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha… Yeah, I’m not a fan of Buchholz… I’ll let him do his thing on someone else’s team…

      • KO says:
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        Good luck with Hanson. Yikes.

  26. Cam_13 says:
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    Hey Grey,
    Found ur site about a month ago and love it…
    Keeper question: 16 team 5×5 roto 4 keepers allowed $360 Budget (Miggie $81 last year) Eddie and 3 pitchers: Price $46 Peavey $4 Morrow $16 Cueto $9 Medlen $10 (yeah my staff was filthy last year!)
    Keep in mind I have a Maple Boner as a Jays fan but Morrow is a little fragile for my taste…
    Keep it up man!!!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks! Maple boner–ha! Peavy, Morrow, Medlen and Cueto…

    • Todd25 says:
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      @Cam_13: lol. so then thats not syrup?…

  27. Chris G says:
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    Grey, you guys are off to an entertaining start to 2013. Love the site!

    AL-only 4×4. Which three of these four should I keep?

    B Anderson $2
    A DeAza $7
    J Reddick $6
    A Cabrera $10

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks! Not De Aza…

  28. Travis says:
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    Beckett is a Douche!

    • Tony says:
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      @Travis: i agree, never drafting that dude again….

  29. Tony says:
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    grey- when did razzball launch? what year?

    • Grey

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      End of 2007

    • Wait…..you’re not….are we finally getting a Wikipedia page?

      • Tehol Beddict says:
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        @Rudy Gamble: its time

  30. gareth says:
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    Need your help optimizing my starting pitching staff in 5 x 5 10 team roto league.

    I have felix, gio gonzalez, lincecum, haren, cahill, hellickson.

    On the wire there is ogando, vogelsong, hammel, bucholz, petite, worley, holland, wandy, Jackson, jaime Garcia, niemann.

    Which pitchers 6 pitchers would give me the best overall rotation?
    I can possibly drop someone from my bench – gardner, stubbs, cuddyer or reynolds and add a 7th pitcher.

    Thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I could see dropping Reynolds for Ogando… Not really necessary at this point though…

  31. BeTheCan says:
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    As a 20-team roto mixed-leaguer I hope you’re going to 80 or 100 with this list. (crazy sounding format, I know. But it’s hyper-competitive with the lack of depth. Lots of fun).

    Anyway, I owned Josh Johnson all last year, and believe it or not, if he falls far enough I’d take another shot at him. Of course, to,actually win a 20-team league you gotta take some long shots. But there were enough outings last year where he actually looked like Josh Johnson that I’m gonna chalk 2012 up to rust / bad luck / just a down year.

    Of course, I’ll probably be dumpster divin the waiver wire by June after he goes DL…

    • Grey

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      I am… Going up to 100… Yeah, in 20 team leagues, you have to do some things you’re not always proud of… Like own JJ Hardy…

  32. TobiasFunkeAnalRapist says:
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    Hey Grey, New fan but I like what I see so far. I have a keeper related question, its a 12-team h2h categories league with 5 keepers allowed and a minor league system (players with <1 year of mlb experience allowed). My keepers thus far are: Trout, McCutch, David Price, and Hanley, my minor leaguers are: Danny Hultzen, Matt Harvey, Dan Straily and Nolan Arenado. I need help deciding my last keeper, with the choice being narrowed down to: Mauer, Hosmer, and Matt Moore, I told you my minor leaguers to let you know I do have some available pitching, even though Harvey is the only one likely to start the year. Any input would help, thank you.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks, nice username! Go with Moore…

    • 80's Full of Hate says:
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      @TobiasFunkeAnalRapist: Great Name, one of the better in a while, I’d go Hosmer, there is a lot of pitching out there

    • Jack Full of Hate says:
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      @TobiasFunkeAnalRapist: mauer might be a nice complement to Hanley with his falling BA.

  33. Jack Full of Hate says:
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    just having a thought, i’m going to try and play this season watching less than 40 innings of actual baseball. This is nothing new, actually the game has become quite ridiculous for me to watch., And I’m thinking of going into all my drafts with no paperwork, notes or any enhancements, including drugs and alcohol. It’s my new challenge. I think my inspiration is coming from man vs. wild, survivorman and the dual survival guys. I’m not playing for money this year so i figure whats wrong with that. Last season I only watched about 100 innings altogether. My question is, am i crazy or stupid? its ok to call me stupid.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I think it’ll be an interesting experiment, just read the blog and don’t watch any baseball… Then at the end of the year we can see how you did…

      • Jack Full of Hate says:
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        @Grey: and box scores… i can be a poster child for the awesomeness of the razz. “Hi my name is Jack, I just want you all to know that Razzball changed my life, now I have the respect of my league mates, I’m a better lover and even grew an inch taller. Razzball is so good you don’t even need to watch baseball to be great at fantasy baseballer. Just listen to the mustached messiah and all your problems will go away.”…or something along those lines.

        • Steve says:
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          @Jack Full of Hate: I think we’ve been here before, but I watch virtually no baseball, every year (times zones, opportunity etc). Not sure if it hinders or helps. That said, I’m pretty sure that if I’ve had crappy teams, it hasn’t been because I haven’t watched any game son the TV.

          • Jack Full of Hate says:
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            @Steve: it can actually ruin you watching games. You can to easily fall in and out of love with players by watching them play. If anything i wait till my dad gives me a tip on something he see’s. he called Hiroki kuroda when he became the dodgers closer in 06. I ran out got him in what looked like a bad deal and won my league. he called Capuano. He called Niese last year and always has great insight on pitchers.

            • costaricanchata says:
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              @Jack Full of Hate:

              @ Jack
              @ Kiwi

              it’s ok .
              i’ll watch enough games for the both of you and 3 of your closest
              real-life friends .

              balance in the universe .

              • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                @costaricanchata: ok, you do that and i’ll cover the porn for everyone.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          No, that sounds exactly like the lines…

          • Jack Full of Hate says:
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            @Grey: “mustached messiah”…too much?

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Nope, about right…

              • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                @Grey: If you were a boxer you introduction would be like Apollo Creed’s

                ” And fighting out of the blue corner we have the god father of fantasy, the prince of projections, the wizard of whit, the mustached messiah, Grey ” Lights Out” Alllllllllllbright”

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Liiiiiiiights Out!

                  • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                    @Grey: its good to see humility is not present

    • Birrrdy! says:
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      @Jack Full of Hate: I’ll be the first to call this stupid. Remember, we play the fantasy thing so we can watch the actual games…. As many as possible. The beauty if baseball. A lazy summer evening and the wonderful pace of the game, the smell of the cut grass… In fact, maybe watch less than 40 innings of MLB and got to at least 10 minor league games. You’ll feel the joy of baseball back and do better in fantasy than you ever did before.

      Just my two cents! ;)

      • Jack Full of Hate says:
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        @Birrrdy!: I would actually go to a minor league game, its fun. I use to go to Quakes games for Taco Tuesdays, and I only live 15 minutes away from their stadium.

        I don’t play fantasy for an excuse to watch the games, I actually play for the competition. strangely the more years I play the less i like the actual game because so much of MLB is utter bull crap . Knowledge can ruin our perception of what we thought was real. So i guess what I’m trying to say is fantasy baseball is like LSD. this little escape from reality allows me to use my abilities to go out and kick some else’s ass. its just part of my ego.

        I always do well in fantasy, usually top three, never had a bad year. I usually don’t need Razzball for the advice, but it entertains me and these guys are great writers with a lot of wit.

  34. Jack Full of Hate says:
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    I would actually go to a minor league game, its fun. I use to go to Quakes games for Taco Tuesdays, and I only live 15 minutes away from their stadium.

    I don’t play fantasy for an excuse to watch the games, I actually play for the competition. strangely the more years I play the less i like the actual game because so much of MLB is utter bull crap . Knowledge can ruin our perception of what we thought was real. So i guess what I’m trying to say is fantasy baseball is like LSD. this little escape from reality allows me to use my abilities to go out and kick some else’s ass. its just part of my ego.

    I always do well in fantasy, usually top three, never had a bad year. I usually don’t need Razzball for the advice, but it entertains me and these guys are great writers with a lot of wit.

    • costaricanchata says:
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      @Jack Full of Hate:

      savant ?

      or maybe you should just find more competitive leagues .

      lots of learning opportunities arise from experiencing failure .

      • Jack Full of Hate says:
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        @costaricanchata: I keep doing that and i keep finishing top three. i welcome a good ass kicking. What it boils down to is how you play the game, the draft is only part of it. Knowing the rules and using them to your advantage. also playing the entire season till the last day like its the first day. I can’t even count how many people stop playing in late August because they can’t win first, they have no pride.

        • costaricanchata says:
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          @Jack Full of Hate:

          agreed .
          guys who don’t play it out to the last pitch make me feel as if
          i’ve just wasted a boat-load of time .

          • Jack Full of Hate says:
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            @costaricanchata: exactly. you can’t run 3/4 of a race, if you’re gonna run it then run it.

            • costaricanchata says:
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              @Jack Full of Hate:

              guys quitting on the league , whether it be late august or earlier ,
              is the primary reason for my disdain for h2h formats .

              h2h money league ?
              never !!

              • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                @costaricanchata: I’m all about the roto too. H2H is such garbage and the leagues I have been involved in had the biggest whiners about how one chooses to play the game. I actually had one that changed the rules of their league to hinder my buddy and I because we liked to stream pitchers and they felt you must spend high draft picks on draft day.

                The problem I have with H2H is people like it because of their connection to fantasy football. Its not football, its just a bastardized version.

  35. TheNewGuy says:
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    Bonjour the mustashioed messiah.

    Medlen helped win me my league last year, im sure you reccommended the pickup so merci beaucoup for that.

    Now Ive got the less enviable task of figuring out how long too keep him. My options:

    Renewable year ($12), 1 year ($9), 2 years ($12), or 3 years ($14).

    • Grey

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      1 Year…

  36. royce! says:
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    Came across this old pic and realized that Sheldon’s resemblance to it may be part of the reason I’ve been rooting for him:

    http://iamled.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/nice-dog.jpg

    Also, I watched the first episode of the new Project Runway. It was ridiculous how many times they included various people talking about HOW EXCITING the team challenge format is. OMG, IT’S SO EXCITING. MIght have been doing that to distract from the fact that they are running out of talented designers and every object on the show is sponsored.

    • Jack Full of Hate says:
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      @royce!: is that dog eating a space cake? he looks like he’s ready to go to a reggae concert

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I hate the team challenges, worst idea ever and coupled with no Kors; I might stop watching… But then I won’t know when Betty and Coretta is coming on Lifetime?! That’s the best dog picture ever…

  37. Jack Full of Hate says:
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    i did a quick check and i like that of your top 60 so far you have 34 NL pitchers vs. 26 AL pitchers. I have always been NL-centric when it comes to arms, even going so far one season that I didn’t use an AL arm till i started streaming in July that season. I have always used this piece of advice when deciding between two equal arms from different leagues, to always go NL when things are equal. I hope others in the razzball community pick up on this.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, I always go with NL arms when at all possible… Just no reason to make things hard for yourself in mixed leagues…

      • Jack Full of Hate says:
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        @Grey: I thought that was the case. Razzballers need to understand that. I also like Koreans who bat left handed

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          I do too… I’ve found Rudy doesn’t like them as much…

  38. Steve says:
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    Super Bowl MVP Joe Flacco comes from Jersey. Share in his joy, Grey.

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Flacco’s been growing his Grey mustache for a few years now. It’s just on his forehead.

      • Jack Full of Hate says:
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        @Sky: zing!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Nice… I thought I missed half the game going from party to another when in reality FEMA caused another power outage in NO…

  39. Jack Full of Hate says:
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    yo jersey! Im just glad the niners lost,I really hate bandwaggoning Niner fan

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