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Yesterday, I touched on the top 20 starters for 2014 fantasy baseball and only two guys pressed charges.  I could’ve sworn Alex Cobb was giving me eyes and then I moved my hand and then he slapped my hand and I thought it was over but then the cops showed up and sigh.  Last year, there was fifteen pitchers from 21-40 that I would’ve drafted.  This year there’s 16, and the few guys I’m not crazy about in this post are probably fine too.  Say it with me now, “There’s more pitchers than Michael J. Fox can shake a stick at.”  I’ve already gone over all the hitters for my 2014 fantasy baseball rankings.  As always, my projections and where tiers start and stop is included.  Anyway, here’s the top 40 starters for 2014 fantasy baseball:

21. Jordan Zimmermann –  This tier started in the top 20 starters for 2014 fantasy baseball.  This tier goes until Zimmermann.  I called this tier, “I’ll let you be my first fantasy starter if I don’t have one yet.” Every year I say, due to his miniscule walk rate, Zimmermann just needs to bump up his K-rate and he’ll be one of the best pitchers in the game.  And every year his K-rate goes lower.  Soon he’s gonna be Kyle Lohse and I’m gonna seriously be over him.  That time hasn’t come yet and he’s still only 27 years old.  I don’t expect the jump in K-rate as I have in the past, but I do think he can be a completely solid ratio guy with around a 7 K-rate. He could’ve easily slid into the Chaz Bono tier too.  Chaz Bono tier?  You’ve officially lost your mind.  Thanks, Random Italicized Voice.  You’re welcome.  I was being sarcastic.  Sarcasm is just a shell to protect your fragile ego.  Oh, shut up.  Okay.  2014 Projections:  14-8/3.31/1.14/168

22. Matt Cain – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Masterson.  I call this tier, “Chaz Bono.” For years guys in this tier have been confused about what they are.  Whether they are top 40 starters, top 20 starters or top 10 starters.  Finally, they’re comfortable enough in their own skin to be what they are — top 25-ish starters.  For instance — or forinstance if you’re in a rush — the world thought of Cain as a top 15 starter, but now he’s finally come clean and shown himself to be a top 25 starter.  Cain had a 2.36 ERA in the 2nd half last year, so I could see why some people would be excited about the prospects of his bounce back.  And who knows, maybe that does portend greatness again.  I’m not a witch with future sight.  I do know his K-rate dropped all the way to 6.84 in the 2nd half and his line drive rate and batting average against were actually worse in the 2nd half.  I think going forward we’re going to get months of Matt Cain looking terrific and months of him looking merely average.  Just as he was last year.  2014 Projections:  14-11/3.49/1.15/179

23. James Shields – The Royals traded Wil Myers for James Shields.  Hahahahaha… Okay, okay.  It didn’t look that bad when they did it…Actually, it did.  What a hideously run franchise.  The Royals are in a torn-up town, but have no postcode envy.  Shields gives a ton of innings, which puts him in line for wins, but his K-rate fell over one K per nine last year and he looks more like a workhorse than an ace as he moves deeper into his thirties.  A 32-year-old starter for Wil Myers?!  Oh, Royals.  You gooftards.  2014 Projections:  14-10/3.47/1.22/193

24. Justin Masterson -  He’s always been a home schooler, but last year it wasn’t quite as pronounced like Siri trying to say Sepulveda.  BTW, I love how Siri takes my French and makes it jingoistic with “Mercy bootcamp.”  Masterson’s been terrible vs. lefties, but again he fixed it enough last year where he didn’t scream in horror every time he saw a lefty coming up.  Due to these gains, I think he can hold the majority of his bump in K-rate (6.94 to 9.09) and reduction of his walk rate (3.84 to 3.54).  There is a slight chance here for a huge year, if he can get back to his 2.71 BB/9 from 2011 and couple it with a K-rate over 9.  That would launch him into the stratosphere like he’s a tourist in Vegas, but likely he’s just around where he was last year.  2014 Projections:  12-10/3.51/1.22/191

25. Gerrit Cole – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Cingrani.  I call this tier, “Who’s going to be 2014′s Matt Harvey?” Last year, I loved Matt Harvey but ranked him way too low.  I refuse to let that happen again this year.  I’m not going to have people say, “Hey, Grey, your mustache is like a warm blanket on a cold night, but why do you have Hamels above Gray or Wacha or Salazar if you’re projecting him for worse numbers?”  Wacha, Salazar, et al (not the Israeli airline) will be in my cross hairs early and often.  Cole, Cingrani, Gray, etc. etc. etc. also come with more risk so I’m fine with them being below a guy like Minor or Cain or whoever even though their projections are slightly better.  As I mentioned in the top 20 starters for 2014 fantasy baseball under Jose Fernandez’s blurb, we’re not going to fear young starters.  We’re going to snuggle right up to them and let them call us papa.  When Cole came up he said he was throwing to contact, but then he seemed to move away from that because his K-rate bumped up to 8.92 in the 2nd half as his ERA tumbled down to 2.85 after a 1st half ERA of 3.89 (in only 41 2/3 IP).  So, let me ask you something, over-the-internet friend.  If you were Cole, would you throw to contact if the results were a near-4 ERA or would you try to strike out mothereffers?  Yeah, me too.  If he qualified with innings, he would’ve averaged the highest fastball velocity at 96.1.  The closest to that would be Harvey and Strasburg in the 95′s.  I want a guy that can average 96 MPH that doesn’t have many miles on his arm in the landmark case of sooner vs. later.  2014 Projections:  14-9/3.18/1.12/191

26. Sonny Gray – I already went over my Sonny Gray fantasy.  It was written by an Indian in a Bangalore call center.  2014 Projections: 13-7/3.32/1.17/195

27. Masahiro Tanaka – Already went over my Masahiro Tanaka fantasy.  It was written by my elbows while I was asleep.  Weird!  2014 Projections:  14-8/3.39/1.11/187

28. Michael Wacha – Wacha pitched 155 1/3 IP last year, which is a ton and is my only real concern.  He might be breakin’ fantasy baseballers’ hearts?  I get that term from my mommy.  I don’t know what he’s gonna do, I’m not an effin’ swami.  Sorry, I just had to get that rhyme out.  Everything else seems like it could be extraordinary and not extra ordinary.  I have a good mind to put Wacha all the way up in the top 15, but a better mind to realize there is some risk involved with a 22-year-old.  Still, I like him enough to take on that risk.  As drunk Fozzie Bear would say, Michael Michael Michael.  2014 Projections:  12-4/3.41/1.09/172 in 175 IP

29. Danny Salazar – I already went over my Danny Salazar fantasy.  It was written by a homeless guy who was humming Reminiscing by The Little River Band.  2014 Projections:  10-8/3.40/1.19/180 in 170 innings

30. Tony Cingrani – The only thing stopping Cingrani from being ranked in the top 20 starters is I don’t think he’s going to come close to 200 innings.  In shallow leagues, where you can fill in for a guy in August or September when they’re skipped or shut down, this means very little.  I’d contend — I’m contending y’all! — that just about all mixed leagues are shallow in August and September because people have moved on to football and/or are out of the running and you have less competition for waiver guys.  Cingrani’s numbers are eye-popping.  He’s got closer numbers as a starter.  A closer that would have everyone in the ballpark scared out of their mind.  Last year he had a 10+ K-rate and a 3.70 BB/9, which means he could easily be a 4.50 ERA pitcher if he gets unlucky or loses anything off his K-rate.  He could also be a 2.50 ERA pitcher with 170 Ks in 160 IP and I like that gamble (no relation to Rudy).  2014 Projections:  12-9/3.46/1.22/163 in 160 innings

31. Cole Hamels – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Lester.  I call this tier, “Got 99 problems, pitchers don’t got to be one.”  I’ve buried these pitchers to the best of my ability so I don’t have to draft any of them.  I’m sure Hamels will be fine in 2014 (I’m not sure).  He has an impressive track record, but I see Zola Budd coming up behind him.  Don’t love the K-rate dropping nearly one K per nine, hate the Phils offense, and picture his homers going up, which will bloat his ERA further.  2014 Projections:  11-10/3.68/1.18/192

32. Doug Fister – Here’s what I said this offseason on him, “Traded to the Nats.  That gives Fister’s value a fighting chance.  *drops mic*  In the NL, Fister is a candidate for more punchouts.  *jumps up and down on mic*  I’m done!  Going the other way in the trade was Steve Lombardozzi, who lost every professional wrestling match he ever took part in.  Why did the Tigers do this trade?  Your guess = my guess.  Maybe when Leyland left the team it was like when you have a really bad breakup and you just start doing dopey shizz like listening to Peabo Bryson and crying at phone commercials.  FISTER! (doesn’t his name look like it should be capped with an exclamation mark?  It’s not a last name; it’s a command) walks no one.  Like, fo’really.  Last year, FISTER!’s walk rate was under 2.  To be an ace, a guy with an under 2 walk rate only needs an 8 K-rate.  FISTER! doesn’t have that though.  He’s flirted with it.  In 2012, his K-rate was 7.63.  If he can do that with a spectacular walk rate, he could be a solid number two.  I love this move for FISTER!”  And that’s me quoting me!  2014 Projections:  11-9/3.57/1.23/140

33. Hisashi IwakumaMember the Jordan Zimmermann of yore?  Have any idea what yore means?  Me neither.  I’m thinking it means ‘of long ago’ or it means ‘a Russian state of chemical equilibrium.’  “Chernobyl is so not yore vacation destination, Ivan.”  See?  Well, Zimmermann was a pitcher with a terrific walk rate and a 7+ K-rate until he went and lost Ks.  Iwakuma has stepped in and taken his position.  In Safeco with an improved offense, Hisashi can once again be a top ten starter as he was last year.  Hisashi my dashi — slurp, SLURP! indeed.  UPDATE:  He has a strained tendon in his hand, which is much worse than a strained tendon in his soup.  2014 Projections:  10-6/3.59/1.10/145

34. Mike Minor – There’s a case to be made that Minor should be over Teheran in the rankings, but I’m not making that case because I have them in this order for a few reasons.  A) They’re essentially the same thing but Teheran has a tad more upside. B) Minor gave up more line drives, less ground balls and more fly balls.  C) There’s no C.  Minor is safer than Teheran by a hair, but safe is what got you your teaching credential and why you wake up to a classroom of sniveling teenagers who make fun of your Bill Blass tie.  UPDATE:  Has a shoulder issue and could miss all of April.  2014 Projections:  12-8/3.56/1.13/139

35. Jered Weaver – For years, I’ve preached staying away from Weaver.  Falling velocity, falling K-rate, inability to stay healthy, an xFIP much larger than his ERA (that’s what she said!) and a perception that he was better than he was which made him overrated.  Finally, he’s ranked around where I’d draft him.  Unfortch, he’s not ranked this low for anyone else so I still won’t own him.  2014 Projections:  14-8/3.44/1.10/140

36. Shelby Miller – I don’t trust him at all after the innings he just threw.  His 2nd half K-rate dropped from 9.63 to 7.47 and he was lucky last year to have such a low ERA.  I think he’ll be ranked around here next year after taking a step back in 2014.  If he puts together another season like he just did, he’ll be ranked in the top dozen starters for 2015 and I’ll issue a mea culpa in Nicaragua.  2014 Projections:  13-9/3.71/1.25/171

37. Jon Lester – Only thing really keeping his value afloat is the Sons of Sam Horn trumpeting him — pun point!  His K-rate has settled in around 7.50 and his walk rate just a hair below three.  He’s usually good for a 3.50-3.75 ERA, which isn’t hideous, but he tends to have these stretches where he has a four-plus ERA for a couple of months and you want to kill someone and murder is a crime in 49 of 50 states.  So don’t draft him unless you’re in West Virginia.  2014 Projections:  14-10/3.66/1.31/171

39. Patrick Corbin – These pitchers could also be known as 2-ish BB/9, 7+ K-rate pitchers, but that’s even more boring (boringer?) to say.  This tier is filled with guys that should be a safe number three for fantasy.  Now, I’m not saying these guys are exciting or sexy or adjective.  I’m saying guys that when coupled with a Wacha or, well, I’ll go over pairings in a different post, but these guys are relatively safe for the middle of your fantasy rotation.  Corbin is on the high end of the 7+ K-rate, 2-ish BB/9.  He’s borderline King Fantastic, but ended up in this tier because his 2nd half last year was egregious (5.19 ERA).  I think Corbin will take a slight step back this year then be primed for a breakout in 2015.  UPDATE:  UCL damage.  I liked Corbin better when he was dating Carrie on Sex and the City, and I hated that show.  2014 Projections:  13-9/3.56/1.19/172

38. Rick Porcello – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here into the top 60 starters for 2014 fantasy baseball.  I call this tier, “Taking a number three doesn’t mean a pee and poop combo.”  I’ve hated Porcello since he came up in 2010.  His walk rates were always superb, but he routinely posted terrible K-rates and even worse ERAs so I didn’t sweat him.  Yo, I don’t sweat him!  Last year his ERA was 4.32 — whoopie doo poopie-doo! — and his K-rate was 7.22 — better, still not Elite Model Management.  Four years into the league and he’s still not showing anything remotely interesting?  Well, he’s only 25 years old and last year was actually a huge step forward like Andre the Giant would take.  His K-rate jumped by almost two Ks per nine and his walk rate continued to be terrific.  His xFIP was all the way down to 3.19 due to his subpar strand rate and high BABIP.  Those shouldn’t just be written off as bad luck.  A high BABIP could mean great contact by hitters (which it does in this case, but better than past years) and a subpar strand rate could mean he’s not great from the stretch (which it means here too, but better than past years).  He struggles vs. lefties too, but that also moved in the right direction last year.  Porcello isn’t perfect going into this year, but he could easily take a small step forward at the age of 25 and be a top 30 starter.  Or to summarize then have Feist read it aloud, Porcello goes mushaboom.  2014 Projections: 15-9/3.61/1.24/163

39. Mat Latos – It’s kinda funny how many pitchers can get you between a 3.15 and 3.60 ERA, which is really all you need from a starter.  If you had six starters getting you a 3.51 ERA (468 runs or 78 runs per starter at 200 innings each) and four relievers that get you a 3.00 ERA (96 runs or 24 runs per 72-inning reliever), you’d have a 3.41 ERA.  That would’ve got nine points in my ‘pert league last year.  You can slice that different ways obviously — two top relievers, two terrible relievers (SAGNOF!) and three great pitchers and three mediocre ones with great Ks.  There’s lots of ways to skin the pitching rotation cat and I’ll go over this in its own post, but don’t be afraid to wait until this point in the rankings for your first starter.  As for Latos, you know what he gives you.  UPDATE:  He’s got knee woes.  Woes is knee.  2014 Projections: 13-9/3.58/1.23/166

40. Andrew Cashner – Cash rules everything around me, fastball velocity gets the money, where’s the strikeouts, y’all?  I don’t know.  Cashner is an anomaly wrapped in a New Yorker comic that no one understands.  It’s like Keyshawn Johnson is his catcher and he’s yelling, “Just throw me the damn ball fast.”  The top five in velocity last year:  Harvey, Strasburg, Jose Fernandez, Wily Peralta and Cashner (tied with Samardzija).  Cashner and Peralta should go to Kellogg’s couples counseling so they can hear, “You know you’re special, K?”  I’d say it’s harder to regularly throw 95 MPH, as Cashner does, and not strikeout guys than to throw 89 MPH like Medlen and K hitters.  Cashner was a 10+ K-rate guy as a reliever too.  It’s baffling to say the least.  Okay, to say the least, it’s baff.  2014 Projections:  10-12/3.45/1.14/145

369 Responses

  1. gareth says:
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    My new draft strategy:

    Write a list of 100 starting pitchers.

    Pin aforementioned list to a dartboard.

    Throw a dart and hit a 3.50 era pitcher.

    Rinse and repeat until your staff is full.

    • James says:
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      @gareth:

      the wait and draft late pitching approach is exactly this. If you wait till round 10-12 to take your first you will still be able to nab a bunch of these guys (ranked 25-40).

      I think this year i will go hitters for round 1-10 (unless someone falls 2 rounds or more too far ie kershaw in the 4th). And then SP for 11-14, RP in rounds 15-17 and then more SP till i have had my fill.

      • FMFBL says:
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        @James: I think this is the case in leagues that play wins but I feel a little safer taking a couple of studs in QS leagues. Getting through that 6th inning is tough on a lot of SP especially the younger ones.

        Thoughts?

      • Al lydon says:
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        @James: Doing the same this year. Did 4 mock drafts so far and there is so much great pitching left in the middle rounds. I was able to have better hitting at 2b and SS not to mention a stud outfield. I’m committed to it this year.

    • Jay29 says:
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      @gareth: Agreed.

      Last year I didn’t pay $10 for any SP (in my league, 33 SPs cost double digits) and I landed Harvey, Cobb, J-Fer, Cingrani, and Burnett (among others) and waltzed to the championship.

      And SP is even deeper this year, seems to me.

    • Al lydon says:
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      @gareth: Pitching is so deep this year you can probably do that. Let me know how it worked out for you. LOL

    • tony says:
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      @gareth: all this is fine and dandy, til you play in an RCL where you’re up against 11 others with the same “I’ll just wait on my pitching strategy” it doesn’t work out so well then, at some point ya gotta take an SP when the values there. Now this info for other leagues, GOLD JERRY, GOLD

  2. SteveNZ says:
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    Who cares about Grammy awards? A Razzball post reference is truly the high-water mark of Lorde’s career to date.

    But even more impressive (to me anyhow) is the Little River Band namecheck. I thought me and my Dad were the only people who had ever heard of them. And at the risk of appearing even square-er, It’s A Long Way There is a great song, in its 70s kind of way – check it out.

    Oh yeah – the pitchers. I may look at using starters in the damn H2H this year, and I reckon I might end up owning a couple of these guys…

    • Justin says:
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      @SteveNZ: I think Little River Band got enough of a shout out in the movie The Other Guys, that you don’t have to worry about being square. If LRB is good enough for a nerdy Will Ferrell it’s good enough for just about anyone haha.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJEEXOu_GVc

      • Dr Hocker says:
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        @Justin: Questions–would you have taken the two tickets for “Jersey Boys” in exchange for your integrity? Have you ever dislocated your woman’s hip? Is a Toyota Prius in fact nothing more than a tampon on wheels?

        • goodfold2 says:
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          @Dr Hocker: and watch yr cars, for Dirty Mike and the Boys will be back.

    • Lville Jim says:
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      @SteveNZ: @SteveNZ:If he could work in a Split Enz reference for you, now that would be impressive.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @SteveNZ: Ha, thanks! Wait, why are you going to use starters? Didn’t last year work?

      • SteveNZ says:
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        @Grey: Yeah, got me to the final (which is about all you can ask), but a reliever blowout early in the week probably cost me the title (that and my hitters were shit).

        Drafting Braun and J-Up in the first three rounds probably didn’t help…

        I was just thinking about changing things up a bit to maintain my interest – might still go relievers-only though.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Oh, well, can’t fault the strategy too much if it got you to the finals…

  3. John E Depth says:
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    You are pretty high on Porcello, Would you keep him for 4$ In a 300$ salary keeper league?

    • Cram It says:
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      @John E Depth: He’s worth $4

      • James says:
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        @Cram It:

        at $4 you are talking about a 5th SP money, and he should be a 4th, so not a bad deal . If you lose more than the money, not a big thing since he will still go for only 7 or 8 in most leagues

  4. Jason says:
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    Hey Grey, would you mind elaborating on ” I don’t trust him at all after the innings he just threw.” for a couple young guys on this list. And why doesn’t it bother you with JoFer? Thanks!

    • Cram It says:
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      @Jason: Idk about Miller, but Jo-Fer is just beast. He seemed to actually get stronger later in the season when they let him go deeper into games.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Jason: Different reasons for different guys… Miller looked totally winded by the end of the year and it looked like he threw too many innings… Fernandez was better in the 2nd half and not overused…

      • goodfold2 says:
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        @Grey: STL felt the way Grey does too, they didn’t let him pitch in the playoffs (i think he got 1 total inning) and he is still mad about it and pretends he doesn’t know why. Yeah, ok, everybody around here knew about why back in june, months before it even happened.

  5. Matt says:
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    Really thought Marco and/or Kluber would be here, esp over Porcello but MAKES SENSE!

    • Cram It says:
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      @Matt: I agree with Kluber. I’d feel a lot better about him on my team over Porcello. But then again, I’m bitter that I kept reluctantly buying into him last year when he was often the topic of discussion.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Matt: I hear ya… Can’t fit everyone in I like, so many of them…

  6. Scott says:
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    I’m allowed 7 keepers in my league, right now I’m set on 6 of them: sale, wainwright, Jose Fernandez, posey, machado, and Harper. The last keeper comes down to cole, gray, or bogaerts. Keeping three solid sp already in wainwright, Fernandez, and sale would you tend to keeping bogaerts (20th round keeper) or cole (14th round keeper)?

    • KrazyCeltic says:
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      @Scott: The three SP’s you have settled on are so strong, and I usually don’t like keeping a ton of SP’s over hitters since it is a deep position, but Gray and Cole have elite potential and while Bogaerts also has great potential he seems to be further away and more likely to struggle this year: he carries more risk of minimal positive fantasy impact. He also faces the threat of Boston signing a veteran to at the least split time with him in the infield. Gray’s and Cole’s positions are more secure. I would lean slightly towards Cole over Gray.

    • Nathan says:
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      @Scott: Keep Colen then trade Wainwright for pitching.

      • Nathan says:
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        @Nathan: Hitting*

        • Scott says:
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          @Nathan: wainwright is ranked as a 4th round keeper. I’m not gonna be able to get much for him

  7. TobiasFunkeAnalRapist says:
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    I should’ve posted this in the top 20 where Matt Moore had his suprise ranking. I’m trying to decide on my final keeper in a 12 team H2H 6×6 league. I can’t decide between Mauer (hahah 8th overall by rotoworld), Ryan Zimmerman or Matt Moore. I also have Cingrani and Arenado in my minor league system that I can pull up at anytime. By the way I do think Cingrani is this years Harvey, but wouldn’t be surprised if Cole was very good too. Thanks.

    • Dr Hocker says:
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      @TobiasFunkeAnalRapist: You seem so polite for someone who’s alias is Gosh Johnson

    • Bill says:
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      @TobiasFunkeAnalRapist: “haha #8 overall by rotoworld”…I heard a lot of laughing when Bill James predicted a massive homerun total for C.Davis. Hehe

      • DonSlaughtOnslaught says:
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        @Bill: Bill James predicted a huge home run total for Davis in a year when he went on to e terrible, so I am not sure what your point is. Also, many people were excited about Davis after his success the previous year in a short appearance. Also, Joe Mauer isn’t exactly an unproven guy like Davis was.

        Great point otherwise.

        • Sky

          Sky says:
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          That was the softest backhand I’ve ever seen. Kudos to you for showing restraint.

        • Bill says:
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          @DonSlaughtOnslaught: @DonSlaughtOnslaught: my point is: 1) we praise this site for going out on a limb with some rankings, yet we’ll laugh at another site for doing it. Hypocrites much? 2)even though Davis was terrible that year, he eventually lived up to the billing. I remember a few players that this site touted too early…and they still patted themselves on the back afterward. Bill James should be able to do this too 3) yes, some began to get excited after the fact, but it doesn’t change the fact that James was killed on this site reglularly for his bold projection..but ended up being right. I’m sure if Rutledge hits 50 homers this year, we’ll get a big fat “I told you so” 4) Yes, Mauer isn’t unproven, but maybe rotoworld thinks the lightened load at catcher will translate into a year similar to his monster season. If he can somehow hit 25 homers/100 rbis with his typical .320+ , rotoworld may just have been right in these offensively starved times. Who are you to say otherwise? Do I agree with rotoworld? No, but I don’t agree with all of these rankings either. But I respect the opinions of this site, as I do Rotoworld.

          • Sky

            Sky says:
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            Maybe you should work on your way of showing ‘respect’. You’d probably get a better response. From an outsider’s perspective, all we’ve seen is someone who has a raging hardon for Bill James’ one call on Chris Davis that was wrong for 2 years to begin with while slamming the site for Rutledge. Last time I checked, constant mocking and bringing up the same pointless point over and over isn’t respect. It’s just brainless and annoying. You praise and chastise for the same thing. Pick a side, live on it and maybe you’ll get respect from commenters in return. That is, if you care.

          • J-FOH says:
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            @Bill: where is this back patting. I see a lot of tongue in cheek and always pointing out it was after the fact. Like a shrug and a go figure. Sky is right, pick a side and stand by it. Commenters will respect that

          • DonSlaughtOnslaught says:
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            @Bill: You brought a very poor equivalency is all. Bill James being right five years after the fact shows that he is great at seeing potential in players. That is entirely different from projecting players for one year in fantasy, which Rotoworld is doing. If Rotoworld thinks Mauer is going to revert to those numbers that is fine, but the guy who scoffed at their ranking has a right to do that and think Mauer isn’t going to reach those, or they were outliers or whatever.

            I am not Grey, Rudy, Sky or any of the other writers from this site, but thank you for making me your Razzball straw man. For one quick counterexample, Grey was pretty open that he was a year off on Anibal Sanchez, and in a “sorry I missed by a year, guys, way,” and not a “SEE I WAS RIGHT AFTER ALL” way.

            • DonSlaughtOnslaught says:
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              @DonSlaughtOnslaught: And people were not “excited after the fact,” Yahoo! had him as like the #6 third baseman the year after his call up. But a Chris Davis historian like you would know that.

      • matt says:
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        I don’t understand why someone continues reading razzball rankings if they don’t think they are accurate. There’s tons of other fantasy sites offering rankings. If you find those suitable then use their ranks. No instead I’ll troll razzball and point out that you were wrong? Everyone here is just laughing at your stupidity and pettiness. And yes this is intended for the Bill James mouthpiece. Also let me point out. I’ve read plenty of the commentary here and im pretty sure, “not speaking for them, but Grey,Rudy, and others have never disrespected Bill or spoke harshly of him. Criticism is allowed sure, but at a certain point it becomes redundant where you keep trying to drive the same stale point home! So, just enjoy the commentary, or find another site that suits you. That’s all I got…

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Haha

          • matt says:
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            Every where I go here, sky keeps bringing me back here :-) Hehe This guy

  8. Tigres says:
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    SP summed up in two words: “Dee. Eeep.” Two SPs from this top 40, plus a couple more from top 60, and we’ll all be fine.

    No Medlen yet? Wait, don’t tell me… I promise to read again tomorrow…

  9. Blue says:
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    12 team 5×5 roto (won the league last year due to Streamer–thanks). I’ve got as potential keepers Holland (12), Cobb (14), Miller (16), Carpenter (21).

    To me Cobb and Carpenter are no brainers but I’m a bit nervous about Miller and there are so many good arms out there I’d like to draft and have options on next year in the mid-teens. So my thinking is, SAGANOF or not, just keep Holland (who I really like) in the 12th and then not really worry about RP other than him–try to get someone like Rosenthal late.

    That plan a mistake?

    • Blue says:
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      @Blue: Scratch Rosenthal–had no idea how high his ADP ranking was!

  10. Dr Hocker says:
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    I’d have thought Cashner’s name was worthy of top 40–R.A Dickey–same way. But I was so thrilled with the cajones Grey displayed in the top 20–I’ll be like a Gadsden/tea party flag and won’t tread on him. And don’t EVER call Grey a boy–he has enough hair on his rear to weave 2 Indian blankets and a bucket full of balls.

    • Blue says:
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      @Dr Hocker: T o me that’s an indication of just how deep SP is–I’d happily go into the season with Cashner as a #4 or 5.

    • Bill says:
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      @Dr Hocker: oh yes..big cajones with the SP rankings. Kinda like Bill James’ big Cajones on Davis. When it works, you’re a genius!

      • Prez says:
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        @Bill: how does bills penis taste?

        • J-FOH says:
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          @Prez: hey, that’s not fair, he only has ONE example

        • Bill says:
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          @Prez: how does Greys?

      • DonSlaughtOnslaught says:
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        @Bill: 2008 was the year of the crazy Bill James projection. Check on these rankings in 2018 and make Grey eat crow man!

  11. Lakitu says:
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    Great post, Gray. Been waiting for the SP rankings for a while now. I’m all-in on Wacha Flacka Flame. The kid looks like the real deal.

    Got a quick keeper question for ya. In my auction-league, $300 pool, we get to keep one pitcher and one hitter–
    - My pitcher is an easy one, I snagged Jose Fernandez off waivers last year so I get to keep him for a measley dollar (Nice!)
    - The hitter is where I have the question. I can keep either Paul Goldschmidt for $32 bucks or keep Josh Donaldson for $1
    (For reference, Miguel Cabrera went for $50 last season, Trout for $45 – top tier players go between $40-50)

    Should I keep Goldy or Donaldson?

    • KrazyCeltic says:
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      @Lakitu: I prefer Goldschmidt. He’s a top 5 player in fantasy, and at a value price. Donaldson at $1 is nice, but I want an elite (Goldschmidt) on my roster. Further, Goldschmidt has shown a couple years of consistency while Donaldson only has the one surprise year.

  12. papasmurf says:
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    I am surprised the Shark didn’t make your top 40. Low win projection?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @papasmurf: Too wild, high WHIP, low wins…

  13. weas says:
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    Man this year is insane. SP30 projected for almost 200 K’s? I might have practically my whole offense drafted before I pick a starter.

    • Blue says:
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      @weas: Yep.

    • Bill says:
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      @weas: let’s remember that while pitching stats have improved post-steroid era, it’s all relative. A 3.50 team era doesn’t buy what it used to. Starters still need to be drafted as they have been in years past, or your numbers will look good in the pitching categories…but 8 others teams’ stats will be better. I agree with waiting on pitching (as always) but some people sound as if they’re going to wait until the tenth round to grab one. This would be a mistake.

      • Fungazi says:
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        @Bill: I won both leagues I played in last year. My final starters COMBINED were Moore, Cain (traded for), Minor and FA adds. I might not even draft a pitcher this year at all.

        • Bill says:
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          @Fungazi: that may say more about your leaguemates than the strategy.

          • goodfold2 says:
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            @Bill: Moore certainly you had to pay for in drafts last year. Way before 10th round.

  14. Streaming Leake says:
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    Wacha had 180 IP last year between AAA (85), regular season (64.2) and post-season (30.2). This was a 44 IP increase over 2012 (105 college, 21 minors). I am thinking he should be ready for 200 IP in ’14.

    • Fungazi says:
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      @Streaming Leake: I like how Cards handled Miller last year. Sure, he misses an inning here and a start there, but it’s not nearly the same impact as when you just lose a guy on Aug 25 for the rest of the year.

  15. Jon says:
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    Hmmm I wasn’t expecting to see Masterson or Porcello show up so soon, but what do I know. I also have Medlen and Cashner and was planning on keeping one or both of them over Masterson/Porcello, but now you’re making me re-think! I assume Medlen will probably be in the same tier as Porcello, but I do wonder how soon we will see Cash show up. I know some perts like him more than you do, but you are the pitching guru that I trust most.

    • Bill says:
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      @Jon: some don’t like Cashner because if you overthink it, itlooks like that over a small sampling he has changed his approach as a starter, and that approach is less K friendly. Also peripherals showed he was a bit lucky on era. Those who like him believe that in the end of the season he was becoming more like the dominating reliever that he was…as a starter and believe that the Ks are coming. Who knows. I’ll tell you in October.

  16. JW says:
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    I respect the rankings – I’m a little gun-shy on Cingrani though. I have him in a keeper league because he K’s so many peeps, but he does it w/ only one pitch, which worries me

    • KrazyCeltic says:
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      @JW: Same here. I think there are safer young, high-K, high upside starting pitchers. In my nine-keeper league I’ve already got Wainwright, Gio, and Liriano anyway, if I choose to keep that many starting pitchers. I’m almost tempted to keep a hot prospect hitter who will likely get drafted too high (Springer) over Liriano or Cingrani anyway.

  17. Fireball Feliz says:
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    Thinking of drafting offense 1st-7th rounds then trying to grab a 3 man rotation out of Cole/Gray/Salazar/Cingrani/Wacha for rounds 8-10. Gonna keep 2 spots for streaming in a 6×6 Roto (QS and OPS added). Sound logic?

    • Cram It says:
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      @Fireball Feliz: That’s how I draft every year. I don’t grab a pitcher until at highest the 7th-ish round. It works. I don’t like to go all super young guys though. Maybe try to grab a steady vet that’s fallen out of the ace category.

      • Count de Monetball says:
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        @Cram It: That’s how I draft too. Hopefully the “fallen vet” is not similar to Halladay like I did last year (going against Grey’s advice). Didn’t matter, the draft strategy still helped me win :)

        • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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          @Count de Monetball: you got Halladay last year in the 7th round or later?

            • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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              @Count de Monetball: that must’ve felt really good at the time.

    • Al lydon says:
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      @Fireball Feliz: Read your comment as I was thinking the same thing. Only change for me was adding Cobb, along with Wacha and Cole. Good luck. I love the youth movement in the top 40 this year.

  18. ReleasetheMcCracken says:
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    Love Salazar pushing the top 30! Was hoping to see Kluber sneak up into the back half of the top 40 but hopefully he sneaks into the top of the next tier. Scherzer, Latos, Shields, Salazar, Kluber, Ross…feel pretty good about that rotation heading into the season?

    What side of this dynasty trade do you come down on: Bruce, Profar, Calhoun for Kinsler, Brown, Adams, Wong

    Thanks!

  19. Hawk says:
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    In my standard roto 5×5 protect any 12, keep forever league I have:

    Votto
    Encarancion
    Reyes
    Arenado
    Kemp
    Stanton
    Choo
    Cespedes

    Latos
    Samardjzia
    Wacha
    Cingrani
    Gallardo
    Jered Weaver

    We also have a minor league system that does not count against our 12 keepers

    Taijuan Walker
    Archie Bradley

    I can keep any 12 of the top (and keep Walker and Bradley at no cost).

    We play 10 pitchers, so generally roll 7 starters / 3 closers. I have the first pick overall.

    I have a bunch of guys in the 21-40 range but no one in 1-20 range. Given my pitching depth, do I take Tanaka?

    • KrazyCeltic says:
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      @Hawk: To cast my input on your keeper question, the two I would discard are Gallardo and Weaver. Gallardo looked awful last year, and Weaver has been holding steady on a slight downward trajectory. In a keep forever league I’d rather hold the young, high-upside Wacha and Cingrani. Latos is another up-and-down kind of pitcher, but he is still better than Weaver right now and holds the advantage amongst those two of durability (4 straight years of 180+ IP and 2 straight of 200+), so I pick him for the stabilizing veteran presence.

      With the #1 overall pick, Tanaka comes with quite some risk, but in a league with 144 players already off the board (12-team league?) I don’t know if anyone who is available will be a better option.

      • Hawk says:
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        @KrazyCeltic:

        Thanks for the input! It’s a 10 teamer so 120 picks off the board before 1st pick

        That’d leave me looking at protecting:

        Votto
        Encarnacion
        Reyes
        Arenado
        Kemp
        Stanton
        Choo
        Reyes

        Latos
        Wacha
        Cingrani
        Samardjzia

        I’d draft Tanaka, bring up Walker meaning I’d only need one more starter. As Grey (and others) pointed out so well, there are a LOT of starters out there.

        Is it worth using that pick on Tanaka given all the other starters out there? Should I look to deal that pick knowing there is a lot of starter depth and I could probably get a lot back for it?

        • KrazyCeltic says:
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          @Hawk: Trading that pick is an interesting idea. Maybe you have an owner in your league who has one of those high upside young pitchers (Sonny Gray, Danny Salazar, Gerrit Cole, Alex Cobb, Corey Kluber) who would trade one of them to you because of the name recognition and hype of Tanaka or whoever else they suspect will be available to them with the #1 overall pick. Maybe a package of one of those pitchers and that team’s first round pick, and then you could consider discarding Arenado, who you could potentially redraft if you love him at 3B. Since you’re looking for more starting pitching, I think a deal like this would be the way to go: you might net yourself another high-upside starting pitcher by trading the pick, essentially getting yourself a Tanka-like high-upside/risky pitcher, and then have more flexibility with your 1st draft pick.

  20. Shawn of the livid says:
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    Wow, looks like 90% of my starters will be from this ranking. Upside all over the place!

  21. the tone ranger says:
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    Grey and anyone who can help, 4 keepers rounds are in parenthesis…h2h league, can keep forever (rounds increase 3 rounds a year)

    Upton (3), scherzer (5), machado (24), bogaerts (27)

    or

    Tulo (3), arenado (21), gyorko (26), jose fernandez (27)

    • KrazyCeltic says:
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      @the tone ranger: That’s three for the Tulo side, primarily because of Jose Fernandez being worth his spot for a long time, and Upton not looking like a 3rd rounder this year or a 1st rounder next.

      • the tone ranger says:
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        @KrazyCeltic:

        would you guys prefer this to the tulo side then?

        desmond (23), machado (24), gyorko (26), jofer (27)

        basically replace tulo (3) with desmond at (23) and arenado at (21) with machado (24)?

        • KrazyCeltic says:
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          @the tone ranger: Yes, that’s even better. Tulo is elite, when healthy, but that is a big “if” for the draft spot in which you’re keeping him. I like Machado much more than Arenado, particularly for future (as soon as this season) upside.

          • willy says:
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            @KrazyCeltic: arenado should get a lot more power numbers than machado…just my opinion

            • KrazyCeltic says:
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              @willy: Agreed – Arenado has a lot of potential in that park. Machado did hit 51 doubles last year and has some pedigree, and I would not be surprised to see him elevate some of those doubles into home runs… unless he goes Billy Butler on us!

  22. Wake Up says:
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    Eddy’s cousin Sheila would disagree with you…

  23. milo says:
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    I like Porcello chances of improvement myself.

    I think Hamels is a stronger play than you ranked him. I’m predicting there’s a good possibility that Hamels may be on the move to a contender after All Star break as Phillies fall out of contention which will also help his value.

    • Grey

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      @milo: He could get traded, but he wasn’t the same pitcher last year…

  24. Shawn of the livid says:
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    If my memory serves me correctly. Wasn’t there a lot of chatter about Cingrani not being able to maintain his progress due to his lack of pitch variety?

    You see any risk there Grey (or fellow Razzballers)? Does he need to evolve more pitches to be successful?

    Whats’ a Razzball?

    Thanks, love these rankings!

    • Shawn of the livid says:
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      @Shawn of the livid: Progress? I meant success. Rough morning.

      • Hawk says:
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        @Shawn of the livid:

        I recall reading that Cingrani threw his fastball 81% of the time, more than anyone in the league.

        This is good from a wear and tear perspective – fastballs are low stress in relation to other pitches.

        This is bad from a success perspective – one or two pitch pitchers tend to have less success as starters (not black / white but definitely tend that way).

        That said, Cingrani has said he made “significant strides” with his offspeed pitches over the offseason. We’ll see how that plays out, I guess.

    • Grey

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      @Shawn of the livid: Thanks! He’s young enough where it shouldn’t be a huge issue… He can over power the league for another year or two before it’s a real issue…

  25. Wake Up says:
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    I’m thinking about not taking a starter this year until all the catchers are off the board…make sense?

    Also, do you mind listing your 41-60 ranked pitchers in the comments today?

    • Count de Monetball says:
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      @Wake Up: Ha! I love how you not-so-slyly let people know what questions should be withheld….

    • Big Magoo says:
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      @Wake Up: HA! Why not knock out the top 100 all at once?

  26. ichirosan says:
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    20 man dynasty league keeping 20 players, who do I keep as my #2 starter after Verlander?

    Jordan Zimmermmann or Shelby Miller?

  27. kustard says:
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    cool it on the gooftard as a pejorative

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Eh, what?

    • Wake Up says:
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      @kustard: seriously, my cousin is gooftarded…

  28. Bryce Krispie Treats says:
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    10 team, 24 roster spots 5×5 mixed league
    5 year keepers, add 2 dollars every year to their value. Example – Drafted Harper for 3 dollars before he was called up, and kept him last year for 5. This year, Ill keep him for 7, up to 5 years total. Who would you keep out of these guys (and their values)?

    We keep 5 guys a year.

    Freeman – 12
    Hosmer – 10
    Harper – 7
    Goldy – 24 (Thank you for the recommendation by the way)
    Marte – 3
    Yelich – 2
    Lucroy – 3
    Cobb – 3
    Cole – 2
    Gray – 2

    I also have Wheeler, Kazmir, and Nova, but I dont think they are relevant in this conversation.

    Last year, I had the #1 team by far and lost in the championship because 3/4 of my roster sat on the final day. Oh well, Im using these rankings again this year, so ill be back.

    Thanks again!

  29. Wake Up says:
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    I love how Siri takes my French and makes it jingoistic with “Mercy bootcamp.”

    Bravo!

  30. Jay29 says:
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    RA and CC are two guys I initially (pun point!) have much higher. Yes, they’re both old and on the way down, but even small bouncebacks from last year put them way ahead of guys like Porcello. Don’t sleep on the bounceback veterans.

    I also see Medlen, Griffin, and Nova right in the Top 40 conversation, too.

    • Cram It says:
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      @Jay29: CC’s going to need more than a small bounceback to be WAY ahead of these guys. Idk how you justify Nova and Griffin this high.

    • Grey

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      @Jay29: Haha… Gotcha…

  31. Wake Up says:
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    I’m taking the fact that I was included in the Minor blurb as a sign…it appeared very close to a dig on teachers…that hurts…but then again, it is a Minor blurb…and minors, by and large, don’t dig teachers…the digging comes up again later…you appear to offer 3 options…but there are really only 2…and in the options, your mention Teheran…this feels like an obvious Iran embargo reference…some of Raiders of the Lost Ark takes place in Iran…Indiana Jones has been to Tehran…and Indiana Jones is into digging…Indiana plays against Vanderbilt every year…Minor went to Vanderbilt…with David Price…Minor can be had for a nice price this year…both Indiana Jones and Minor have nice WHIPs…this is all coming together…

    • J-FOH says:
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      @Wake Up: you’re cracking the code a black chopper is coming to get you soon

      • Wake Up says:
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        @J-FOH: yankee…foxtrot…bravo…delta…delta…

  32. Papajeansegura says:
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    I can’t wait to see where you rank Mike Leake, I’m taking him over Porcello, but I’ll still look him over as a sleeper if you think he’s gonna be good. I thought the same last year, but he was very un-spectacular and he’s pitching in the AL.

  33. the tone ranger says:
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    Grey just wanted to double check w you. got tons of help above which i was very happy about.

    4 keepers – rounds are in parenthesis…h2h league, can keep forever (rounds increase 3 rounds a year)

    Upton (3), scherzer (5), machado (24), bogaerts (27)
    or
    Tulo (3), arenado (21), gyorko (26), jose fernandez (27)
    or
    Desmond (23), machado (24), gyorko (26), jose fernandez (27)

    thanks to all

    • Grey

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      Can’t really go wrong with any… Desmond one…

  34. Cram It says:
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    Grey, (or anyone else), gimme a couple of names in your top 40 you would overpay for in an auction. Sonny? Teheran? Cobb? Cole?

    I usually don’t like paying much more than $15 for an SP, but who would you green-light to get in a bidding war for?

    • Grey

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      Those four work for me, but no reason to get in a bidding war… Plent5y of pitchers around…

    • Wake Up says:
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      @Cram It: agree with Grey…drive up the price for them make them spend money on pitching…

      the beauty of Cobb is that you can overspend on him and he’ll still be cheap…

    • Wake Up says:
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      @Cram It: You know I still love Cole…but hype seems to have caught up with him and I can see him going for a lot…

      • Cram It says:
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        @Wake Up: Yeah, that’s the downside of all these sexy young pitchers. Their youth, sexiness and upside makes them attractive to everyone. We need a NEXT group. Like who’s this years Cobb, Cole, Cingrani, etc.

        • Wake Up says:
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          @Cram It: there’s one in SEA…

  35. Mike says:
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    I am in a 16 team dynasty league where you keep every player. The draft is end of Feb. How does the draft work, do you draft someone and have to replace one of your players on the roster.

    • Grey

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      You should ask the people in your league

    • goodfold2 says:
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      @Mike: i’m in a yahoo hockey league where it’s exactly like that, so if there is 25 roster spots and you keep 23 people you would still draft, but only in the 1st 2 rounds. drop more players, more rounds of picks to make. apparently you check off the names of the players kept, and the one’s dropped go back into player pool that everyone can draft.

  36. willy says:
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    Hey Grey,

    I was really surprised to see Cobb at 13 yesterday as I’m sure many others were. So if you think he will have a cy young kinda season, that’s enough to excite the hell out of me and I want him. Here’s my current keepers (keep 12 draft 13) for my 12 team keep forever league (salary based) and we count OPS and KK/BB 6 by 6:

    1. Pujols
    2. Altuve
    3. Segura
    4. Arenado
    5. J. Hamilton
    6. A. Jones
    7. Bautista
    8. Springer
    9. Kershaw
    10. Ryu
    11. Archer
    12. Kluber

    I’ve already tried offering Archer and Ryu on 2 for 1 with Jim Johnson (not keeping), but the guy didn’t bite. He seems to like Cobb as much as we do so it may be tough. Should I try offering Springer for Cobb? Anything else you can suggest?

    • Grey

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      You tried Kluber too? I’d offer Springer, if so….

  37. Swagger Jackers says:
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    Pitchers are SO DEEP….

    I won’t take my first one until at least 6 DH only players are drafted.

    • Wake Up says:
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      @Swagger Jackers: your meaning is unknowable, weirdo…

  38. Shultz says:
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    $250 auction 12 team league. Need advice on what 7 or fewer to keep.

    Chris Davis $7
    Goldschmidt $25. These two are obvious keepers in my mind

    Jansen $10
    Holland $13
    Freeman $17
    Werth $6
    Lucroy $10
    Rosenthal $4
    Gyorko $4
    Heyward $4
    Minor $7
    Kershaw $35
    Holland $13

    I’m thinking Gyorko, Rosenthal, and Heyward are keepers. Love freeman but I have 2 1bs already, do I keep 2 others or just the 5 I have listed? Thanks for any help…would like to repeat as champion.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Davis, Goldy, Gyorko, Rosenthal, Heyward, Freeman, Minor

  39. Swagger Jackers says:
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    Pitching is SOOOOOOO DEEP….

    I won’t take my first one until after I finish my third bucket of Coors Light bottles.

    • Grey

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      Haha

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Are we starting a ‘your momma so’ series? If so, let me hop in

      pitching is so deep, it makes kim kardashian’s sausage wallet look like a penny purse

      • SwaggerJackers says:
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        @Sky: Nice!

        And yes, yes we are trying to make this a “Thing”

  40. Big Magoo says:
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    The Cole tier is dripping with upside. Love all of those guys except for Cingrani. Won’t get Cole, Tanaka, or Wacha if you wait too long on them though. Gray (NFBC ADP 154) and Salazar (139) look like good values. They’re probably being drafted even later in the yahoo/espn/cbs formats.

    Your Cobb and Bailey rankings didn’t surprise me. Teheran was a bit higher than I expected. I think that the catcher situation in Atlanta will hurt him this year, and you already mentioned his high strand rate and propensity to give up the long ball. Hamels is the one ranking that caught me off guard. Durable, consistent, 200+ Ks, solid ratios. Interesting that he’s on your DND list.

    • Grey

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      Yup and yup

  41. Matt says:
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    Hey Grey

    Which one is not in your top 4 in dynasty startup?

    Harper, Trout, Miggy, Cutch, Goldy

    Thanks

    • Cram It says:
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      @Matt: I give Cutch the boot.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Cutch

      • Matt says:
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        @Grey: Thanks fellas

        • Grey

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          No problem

  42. Carnac says:
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    Has anyone commented on how deep pitching is this year?

    • Carnac says:
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      This year pitching is deeper than a Bergman film.

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      I think you’re the first one in the last 5 seconds. That’s like eons in internet time.

      • Carnac says:
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        Has anyone made a catchy meme or react gif about pitching depth yet?

    • Carnac says:
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      Pitching is so deep this year the rankings will be written by Umberto Eco with a forward by Stephen Hawking.

      • Carnac says:
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        Pitching is so deep this year Slavoj Zizek attended the ESPN rankings summit.

        • Carnac says:
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          OK CARNAC PLS STOP

          • Sky

            Sky says:
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            NEVER STOP CARNAC

        • Sky

          Sky says:
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          Yo pitching so deep, Adele is still rolling in it.

          • J-FOH says:
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            @Sky: Pitching is a scarce commodity and should be drafted early and often

            • Sky

              Sky says:
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              Indubitably

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Pitching is so deep it knows Pi to the 1700th integer.

          • Hawk says:
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            @Grey:

            Pitching is so deep it regards Ulysses and Thus Spake Zarathrustra as early reader books

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Pitching is so deep it understood The Tree of Life.

          • Count de Monetball says:
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            @Grey: Pitching is so deep that not even “Smiling Bob” with his Enzyte male enhancer can reach it!

          • J-FOH says:
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            @Grey: @Grey: I’m going to play the contrary card today. If it’s deep and so many guys will be similar wouldn’t that elite arm be the difference maker to win your league?

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Short answer: No. Long answer: Nooooooooooo. Winky emoticon.

              • matt says:
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                Pitching is so deep I may ditch drafting a single sp in a couple leagues.

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  HAHA… Nice, Matt…

              • J-FOH says:
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                @Grey: oh yeah, well Rotoworld and Bill James might disagree with you

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Haha

  43. Al lydon says:
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    SP rankings from you this year are making a lot of sense to me. I love that your on the youth movement train. Only disagreement with me on the last 20 is Weaver. I predict his arm falls off this year. I would have done CJ or Tillman over him. Hey tomato -tomaato !!!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I hear ya, I don’t like Weaver either…

      • matt says:
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        Bet he still has an under 100 ADP hehe

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yup

  44. Hingle McCringleberry says:
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    Deep 16-team league, I have a ton of carry-over pitching from last season – Sale, Cole, Salazar, Cingrani, Miller and Wood. That’s a lot of potential but also a lot of youth/risk). Think I should try to find a couple of “workhorse” style guys like Shields to help mitigate the risk factor with this bunch, or should I keep going all in with this roster and pray for health?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Nah, you’ll be fine with guys like Kuroda…

  45. Sky

    Sky says:
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    Pitching is so deep, the Hindus had to add an 8th Chakra just to define it.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Pitching is so deep it went to a symposium on astrophysics for fun.

      • Sky

        Sky says:
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        Pitching is so deep, even Linda Lovelace would gag on it

        • J-FOH says:
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          @Sky: ding ding ding we got a winner. Any way you can drop Linda Lovelace into a fantasy comment is a winner in my book.

          • Sky

            Sky says:
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            I shot that out as the first twitter #PitchingIsSoDeep @Razzball. Hoping to get that trending.

  46. Stock says:
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    Will there be a WAR ROOM this year?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      If someone makes it, I reached out to the guy who made it last year and there was radio silence… So someone needs to step up to the plate…

      • Stock says:
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        @Grey: Who do I call? Need email address and its done.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          grey at razzball.com Will be much appreciated if you can…

  47. matt says:
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    Went 2 for 3 last season. Think I’ll try 5 leagues this year. 3 H2H and 2 Roto. Well plus the dynasty im already a part of. Love this site guys. Thanks for everything

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      No problem

  48. Joebob says:
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    The platitudes be well deserved for your writing, humor, and insights. You must be a teacher in your spare time. Damn snivelers…I’m glad to have bailey at 3 in an NL only keeper league. He’s a free aGent next year–is it worth extending his contract to 8 or let him expire this year? Also, have Ryu at 13– keep, throw back, or try and trade? I have questions yo. Thanks a lot GA

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha… Throw back Ryu, extend Bailey for $8…

      • Joebob says:
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        @Grey: @Grey: so you’r gut (or something) says Bailey stays in N in 2015L–I’m always looking for more dollars in auction (the usual 260 in a ten team NL only). Thanks.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          I think he will, but if you don’t feel safe, just go this year on him…

          • Joebob says:
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            @Grey: yeah seems a bit of an in-between call…may just do it. Thanks for your input. Daiquiri coming.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Thanks!

    • OaktownSteve says:
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      @Joebob:

      Platitudes?

      See also “shutters”.

      *This message is for information only and contains no judgment though I do admit to audible laughter regarding this particular nugget of found art.

      Plaudits for all.

      • Joebob says:
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        @OaktownSteve: damnit I misused the word. Though there are certainly plenty of banal praise in the comments. I laud your quick wit. Not enough coffee or alcohol in my system typing while walking and typing but no excuse— I meant something more like plaudits. Kudos to you. I shudder at my error…

        • OaktownSteve says:
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          @Joebob:

          Another error in your follow up post. Should read “not enough coffee AND alcohol”…

          Am I the only person who uses Irish as a verb? Example:

          Pour a cup of coffee, contemplate the day ahead, go to liquor cabinet saying to self, “should probably Irish this coffee”

          • Joebob says:
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            @Grey: @OaktownSteve: well, I WAS at work, so was heading for coffee, but alcohol may have helped loosen up my vocabulary better. At my job, it’s not good if I have alcohol going despite the great need for it. Go Oaktown!

  49. Wake Up says:
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    Pitching is so deep…Jimmy Fallon is doing skits, singing, “How starting pitching is your love”…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Hey, that was my first dance song!

      • Wake Up says:
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        @Grey: and I went to that symposium…for fun…

  50. Count de Monetball says:
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    Grey, I noticed Yahoo’s rankings and FBB website are coming online today (finally) and I can start mocking. I have a question, when do you anticipate having the 400 (staring Grey as King Greyonidas) out? I’m guessing the middle of next week…. Last year I pre-ranked my draft based solely on your rankings and plan to do so again. Thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Next week

  51. Miles says:
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    I checked out the mock draft result and right along with his top 30 board, Rotoworld’s Pouliot had one of the ugliest drafts I’ve ever seen. Kershaw, Kipnis, Mauer, Santana, Machado, Tanaka, Ortiz, Holland? Austin Jackson is his OF1? He’s getting dead last for HR/RBI/R/St with a team like that.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, makes no sense…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Where did you see the mock draft results?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yeah, scratched my head on that pick too… Thanks for the link!

          • Count de Monetball says:
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            @Grey: That mock was a great read, started reading it without looking who the ‘perts were. I realized something strange, one guy was hilarious, and then I noticed…

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Ha

              • goodfold2 says:
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                @Grey: one guy with either a split last name took 6 pitchers in first 10 rounds. 3 in a row before the 5th.

    • stonepie says:
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      @Miles: his top 30 is a joke. mauer top 10? au shizz at 6 after kershaw, hanley and braun?!

  52. mike b says:
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    Pitching obviously super shallow this season, draft SP’s and catchers with first 5 picks…

    After perusing your top 40 starters, I see that 21 of those 40 are being kept in my 10 team-10 keeper league. I have 2 of these 40 (JoFer 21st and Shelby 20th) and will look to slot probably 1 SP between them. Kershaw Felix Verlander Strasburg Price among the top SP to be available in my league. Not willing to overpay for them, but taking a serious look at Sale. Obviously like him more in our QS league, what round would you foresee him being a decent value? I am the only team with all of my first 15 picks due to late round keepers, so I feel a slight reach in one of the top 6 rounds wouldn’t be the end of the world.

    With our league using QS in place of W’s I’d assume JoFer is even more valuable in that format, but I think Shelby has the potential to be very effective as well. Anyone who owned Shelby in a QS league last year can probably attest to how close he was to being truly dominant for much of the season. He clearly sat around a 100 pitch count for his starts, topping out at 113 twice and 112 twice. Taking a closer look at his game log shows 12 starts in which he went between 5-5.2 IP with 3 or less ER. Granted, he needs to take a step forward getting quicker outs instead of letting guys grind out AB’s, but I believe if he has a little more leeway this season (or in future seasons being that I have him as a keeper) he could prove very valuable despite some expected slight regressions in other areas. I know you believe he was tiring towards the end (agreed), but I don’t agree with analysts crazy adoration of wacha (whom I also like very much) versus the sudden backseat taken by Shelby. End rant.

    Thanks Grey, your mustache’s wisdom is always appreciated!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      5th round for Sale… No problem!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      HA!

  53. OaktownSteve says:
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    Pitching is so deep the first pitcher on my board is the severed head of Bertran de Born.

    Don’t blame me…I came to the party late and all the good jokes were taken.

    • J-FOH says:
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      @OaktownSteve: pitching is so deep I’m going to China to draft my team

      • OaktownSteve says:
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        @J-FOH:

        Pitching is so deep I’ll be drafting from the Nereus HROV.

        • J-FOH says:
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          @OaktownSteve: pitcing is so deep that by the time you get to the bottom of it your head will explode from all the pressure

          • Big Magoo says:
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            @OaktownSteve: @J-FOH: Pitching is so deep that Jack Handey is considering writing a weekly post on the subject.

            • J-FOH says:
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              @Big Magoo: It’s so deep it’s trending on Twitter

    • Wake Up says:
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      @OaktownSteve: Pitching is so deep, it put Grey’s elongated-mom-jeans-ass to sleep…

  54. Cram It says:
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    @J-FOH: Pitching is so deep, Socrates reincarnated as a North West

    • J-FOH says:
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      @Cram It: Pitching is so deep that it went back to mock shallow and back again

  55. Robby D says:
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    Have to keep 5 guys in my league and we can trade draft picks. Given that and the fact that the only other pitcher I’m keeping is Iwakuma, how do you feel about my Tulowitzki for his Verlander. I was thinking he would need to throw in a round or two difference in picks to make that even, such as My Tulo and a 12th round for his Verlander and a 10th round (first 6 rounds are keepers obviously).

    Would love your thoughts.

    Also, if he takes Tulo, it frees me up to make a trade of my Allen Craig for another friends Ian Desmond.

    I don’t think Craig is keeper-worthy (top 60 overall) but is Desmond worth keeping in the first 6 rounds? Should I push for some draft pick action with Craig as well or is Desmond for Craig straight up a pretty solid trade ?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’d want Tulo…

      • Robby D says:
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        @Grey: Is there any number of rounds difference that would make you trade Tulo for Verlander?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Nope

  56. Grey

    Grey says:
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    Billy Butler Wins

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Was just testing something…

      • Prez says:
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        @Grey: lol! What the f…

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Haha

      • Carnac says:
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        Is it just a matter of using html tags? Just asking for a friend who’s interested in posting a collection of photoshopped altuve-poking-out-of-pockets images.

        • Prez says:
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          @Carnac: oh shit… *runs to get popcorn and a comfy chair*

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Looks like this on back end:

          (Carat) img src=”http://razzball.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/1391117105142.jpg” alt=”Bill James” / (Carat)

          Obviously replace the front and end…

  57. matt says:
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    Espn has zobrist ranked #23 at OF and Wil Myers #24 BAWHAHAHAHA!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha

      • matt says:
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        Wonder how Tristan comes up with these ridiculous rankings. Billy Hamilton 126th overall? Is that close? The guy could easily steal 70 bases if he plays every day

        • matt says:
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          Ellsbury as 8th overall? GTFOH

          • Grey

            Grey says:
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            Ha!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yeah, not sure

  58. Dr. Sauce says:
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    Pitching depth is throwing a wrench into my decisions on my keepers. 5X5 roto style 6 man keeper league (keep for as long as we want).
    I have Goldy, Braun, Harper, Stanton, Kipnis, Machado, Choo and Jo-Fer. I was thinking all along that Goldy, Braun, Harper, Stanton were no brainers. If we agree on that, who are my last 2 keepers?
    I was thinking Jo-Fer might be a no brainer as well. However, maybe pitching depth suggests I should keep another bat?? Maybe I am overthinking … help please!!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Stanton, Kipnis

      • Dr. Sauce says:
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        @Grey:
        That’s 5 (Goldy, Braun, Harper, Stanton, Kipnis) … who is my 6th keeper out of Machado, Choo or Jo-Fer?
        Also, in my situation would you look to move 2 of Kipnis/Machado/Choo/Jo-Fer for someone like Encarnacion or Jose Bautista? Thx for the feedback … much appreciated!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Jo-Fer… Stay put…

  59. matt says:
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    Im hoping that whatever league im in someone uses their 1st pick for ellsbury and their 2nd pick on Tanaka. (Yanks fans) LOL

  60. Sky

    Sky says:
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    Bill James

    • J-FOH says:
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      @Sky: my head just exploded, what if they are attached by some appendage? or locking suction type thing?

      • Sky

        Sky says:
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        There’s definitely some form of suction going on

    • Prez says:
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      @Sky: hHAHAHAHAHAHAHA man…. Pandoras box has been opened!

      • Sky

        Sky says:
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        I ripped the top off and set it on fire. We ain’t never going back!

    • matt says:
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      That’s what I asked him last week. I was wondering myself…

    • Wake Up says:
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      @Sky: HA…is the mom jeans thing over already…and I missed a memo? cuz if it is I won’t mention Grey in mom jeans again…

      PS mom jeans

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Wake Up: Mom jeans never gets old. Sky is actually getting #pitchingissodeep to trend on twitter

        • Wake Up says:
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          @J-FOH: That’s hilarious/what is twitter?!

          Thank god! I just ordered a pair for myself with mustaches on the back pockets…

          thought you were doing closers?

          • J-FOH says:
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            @Wake Up: I was, but now am doing Creeper of the Week, they found it more fitting to my personality.

        • seph meier says:
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          @J-FOH:

          So if I have it correctly, pitching is so deep it fits in mom jeans.

      • Sky

        Sky says:
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        I’m not mom jeans sure if the whole mom jeans issue has been mom jeans’ed. I’ll have to mom jeans with Grey to mom jeans that answer. Mom jeans.

        • Wake Up says:
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          @Sky: HAHAHA!

    • Count de Monetball says:
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      @Sky: You know Sky, Wyatt Earp is my friend, but I believe I’m beginning to love you! I think I quoted that right, but it is hard to tell with all the coffee on my screen from laughing so hard and having it shoot out my schnoz.

      • Sky

        Sky says:
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        There’s no wrong way to tell me you love me, Monetball. Always remember that.

    • Carnac says:
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      ^img src=”http://razzball.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/1391117105142.jpg”^

      • Carnac says:
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        Nope!

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        Opps… Not a carat… Less than sign — <

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Not opps either…Oops…

        • Carnac says:
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          That Grey… always turning everything on its head!

          (thank you)

          • Grey

            Grey says:
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            Haha… You’re welcome!

  61. gareth says:
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    Pitching is so deep Samuel L JACKSON just got eaten by jeff samardzija.

  62. gareth says:
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    Pitching is so deep I’m thinking of drafting Jacques Cousteau in the 100th round.

  63. costaricanchata says:
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    Pitching is so deep that you’d have to spend your summer
    with a flagpole up your azz , just to comprehend it .
    and you could still be Wrong .
    or hope to be .

  64. gareth says:
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    Pitching is so deep im thinking of cancelling my Dinner with Andre Either to contemplate the universe.

  65. gareth says:
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    There’s another stud off the market to add to the deep pitching equation.

    The royals just signed bruce chen. 2 years 10 million.
    look out AL Central!

    Grey – would you change your strategy about pitching in this instance and takes a chance by drafting Chen in the early rounds, say the 5th? Dare I say, should he be the first pitcher off the board?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha

      • goodfold2 says:
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        @Grey: is this for real. i was about to drop him like yesterday. thought “hey i don’t have to make space for him till we bid on pitchers, which starts next sat”, might as well keep him till then. i’ll trade him for pretty much anything since 5 million is like 3 times more than i’m bidding on guys better than him.

  66. Count de Monetball says:
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    Pitching is soooo deep this year, I’ve cancelled my planned dinner date with John Rocker so I can have time to research the top 400 starting pitchers…http://www.thuzio.com/john-rocker.html

    • goodfold2 says:
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      @Count de Monetball: kenny powers’ dick so big it’ll sponge up the whole ocean. hell’s ya he’s a sponger.

  67. Prez says:
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    Pitching is so deep… Jealousy has overcome peg boys nationwide!

    Partial credit to Chata for making me think of a pole up the ass… Wait, what?

  68. goodfold2 says:
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    how much more should miggy owner get in this deal. not me different owners involved. just curious
    swiggy 21 mil deal could be extended for extra 2 years at 27 each in 2015 and 16 or franchised/restriced
    and parker (.4 mil till end of 2016)
    for
    alonso (1 mil per year till end of 2016)
    profar (.4 mil till end of 2016)
    F-Her (14.5 mil this year and 20.5 in next 2 years)
    this 2nd team also has kluber at one year minimum and a.dickerson OF SD, but no draft picks in 2015.
    would 2nd team throwing in kluber or dickerson while 1st team adds weak draft pick (3rd 2015) be better?

    • Cram It says:
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      @goodfold2: Yonder Alonso? Miggy should bring more than that offer.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      How much should he get? In terms of what?

      • goodfold2 says:
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        @Grey: extra players or picks or prospects if the deal isn’t enough for swiggy

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Deal’s not close, no idea what the other person can give…

          • goodfold2 says:
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            @Grey: fair enough, didn’t know how close it wasn’t. other owner has
            franklin .4 mil for 3 more years
            kluber .4 just this year
            eovaldi .4 for 3 more years
            s.gray .4 mil for 3 more years
            a.dickerson for .4 for 4 more years
            c.arroyo MI SF .4 for 4 years
            g.brown OF SF .4 for 4 years
            and above mentioned names.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              These guys aren’t moving the needle…

  69. Jay says:
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    was looking at mock draft central today and found the early ADPs interesting:

    top 20
    MikeTrout
    MiguelCabrera
    PaulGoldschmidt
    AndrewMcCutchen
    ChrisDavis
    CarlosGonzalez
    ClaytonKershaw
    EdwinEncarnacion
    AdamJones
    AdrianBeltre
    RobinsonCano
    HanleyRamirez
    RyanBraun
    BryceHarper
    PrinceFielder
    JacobyEllsbury
    JoeyVotto
    JayBruce
    EvanLongoria
    JasonKipnis

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Doesn’t seem completely bonkers…

      • goodfold2 says:
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        @Grey: looks like i’ll be getting jones/cano or e5 at 10th overall in 16 teamer where pence bounced me out of playoffs early. nice.

  70. Jeff P says:
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    Where’s Beachy?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Not ranked yet

  71. gareth says:
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    Pitching is so deep razzball has enlisted 2 new writers, Ed Harris and Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio, to help sort through the talent.

  72. I dont understand how Wheeler could be ranked so much lower then guys like Cole, Gray, Wacha, Salazar and Cingrani. He was ranked better then most of them all through the minors, had a very good season last year (and got better as he went on) and pitches in a pitchers park.

    I get putting him on the bottom of the list if he isnt your fav… but it seems crazy he could be ranked so much lower. I am interested to see the reasoning to where he ends up other then the standard LOLMets.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      He only had one good month

      • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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        @Grey: didn’t he have serious problems not walking people?

      • @Grey: @Aubrey Plaza’s Pillow: Which was the bad months: The one where he went 3-0 /2.73/23K or the one where he went 3-2/3.13/36K?

        He was a top prospect his entire time in the minors (higher then most other last year rookies already mentioned). He went 7-5 last year for an very bad team. He had an era that ended the season under 3.5 even as he faded a bit down the stretch. He had a K/BB ratio of 1.83, which would put him at #37 in the league. He has been awesome his entire time in the minors. Like… consistently considered a future #1 or 2 starter good. I feel like I am taking crazy pills!

        • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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          @Whach Zeeler: not sure but it’s entirely possible that all 40 above had better k/bb numbers. sub 2 ain’t great. if he cuts the walks then hell yes. he does have crazy pedigree, but like you said he’s on terrible team. other young guys mentioned above (other than Jo-Fer, who’s on another level currently) aren’t on bad teams (CIN/PIT/STL/OAK)

  73. Charles says:
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    Can anyone explain the Steve Lombardozzi professional wrestling joke?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      There was a jobber, Steve Lombardi…

      • Charles says:
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        @Grey: gotcha – I knew him as the Brooklyn Brawler

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yup

  74. Corn Dawg says:
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    Greybeard the Pirate, $270 budget in an auction league, keeping Troutski for $3, thinking about keeping Andrus for $20 and then Anibal Sanchez for $21. Worth it to spend $21 for my ace?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Those three sound fine, obviously I don’t know any of your options…

      • Corn Dawg says:
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        @Grey: That’s cause I got no options. For pitchers, I’ve got Lee, Weaver, Kershaw and Hamels all $25+ (gross), Lance Lynn at $12 (meh), and for hitters I’ve got Heyward @ $27, Zimmerman @ $22 and Santana @ $21. Our keeper system works so that first keeper costs last year’s price +$1, 2nd +$4, 3rd +$7 and 4th + $10. Get expensive quickly. Thanks for the help good sir.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Ah… Gotcha… Yeah, expensive options…

      • Corn Dawg says:
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        @Corn Dawg: @Grey: Also, I have Lawrie @ $9. Which could be intriguing, but I feel like I could get him for around $12 in the draft anyway.

  75. Wake Up says:
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    Enough joking around here…can I ask a serious mom jeans for a mom jeans?

    Pitching is so deep, it put Grey’s elongated-mom-jeans-ass to sleep?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      My mom jeans never sleep.

      • Wake Up says:
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        @Grey: Thanks for letting me get it out of my system…I learned 2 new things today…what twitter is…and why I was never able to post any pics on here…here’s what I tried…”copy”…then…”paste”…here’s what I actually need to do…*#KED)*(&^$%^&*()Ikkkk&^%$%^&*()fgyhuiop))__++_()*(

        youtube will have to suffice…

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          It’s actually Ikkkk&< not Ikkkk&^

          • Wake Up says:
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            @Grey: Ha! OK last one then I’m signing off…picture this…Grey, Rudy, Sky, Mike, J-FOH, OaktownSteve, me, Prezzii, an orangutang, Magoo, Cram, SteveNZ, and Zach Galifianakis all sitting around in our mom jeans with mustaches on each back pocket…having a good old fashion snake draft…then, going for a jog…

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Jog? Who jogs?

              • Wake Up says:
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                @Grey: If you haven’t pictured that crew jogging down Wilshire in mom jeans with mustaches on the back pockets…that’s your own fault…

  76. Jo says:
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    Who to keep out of Boegarts/profar/Kimbrel/wheeler/BJ upton. Can only keep 1

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Kimbrel

  77. Count de Monetball says:
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    Grey, some of the pictures sky has been posting have made me LAUGH MY MOM’S JEANS off ***awkward silence***. HOWEVER, I might suggest that you try to limit that a bit so the comments section of Razzball doesn’t begin to look like my MYSPACE page…. And for the love of all mustaches, don’t let the random commenter put pictures in the comments… Ok, maybe Wakeup or Cram, but dammit no one else….

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Haha… I hear ya… But Myspace is awesome!

          • Sky

            Sky says:
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            Ha! ‘Nobody’s around…it’s naughty time’

          • costaricanchata says:
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            @Count de Monetball:

            lol .
            youtube’s the best .
            this guy gets over 100k viewers
            and can’t spell ‘rascals’ correctly .

  78. Simps says:
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    Nice job on your Yahoo! draft, Grey. Tons of power, a little light on speed, and some risk with the staff but a pretty solid team.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Totally light on speed but the draft ended before we even finished our teams… I would’ve grabbed some steals at the very end…

      • Jeff P says:
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        @Grey: I didn’t realize Grey was in the draft until, oh first round, with ‘.. and he wears pants.’ comment.

        • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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          @Jeff P: the one about how he’ll win without even drafting before the 19th round, but then getting the free gift of 18 more players.

  79. Jon says:
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    Rank these trades for me? 5×5 H2H keep forever league.

    A) Cobb for Gordon
    B) Medlen for Heyward
    C) Cashner for Arenado

    Thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      C, B

  80. Fungazi says:
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    Just saw the Yahoo Mock they posted today – You killed it Grey! Not sure what the one gooftard was thinking going SP/2B/C/C first four picks.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, no idea either… Thanks!

      • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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        @Grey: some of those seriously just look like guys trying to see just exactly what a team would even look like if they drafted that way. esp the 6 pitchers in 10 rounds and 4 before the 7th guy.

        • costaricanchata says:
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          @Aubrey Plaza’s Pillow:

          year after year , this league comes off as the weakest league
          of experts on the internet .
          seriously can’t figure out why Grey participates .
          either he’s family or they have photos .

  81. Millenball says:
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    I promise to never “shutter” again… Thanks for the tar and feathers boys

    After the fister blurb i had to listen to ….. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Asiuz2MowaQ
    Only to remember Dombrowski got the Lombardi treatment in that deal.

    To find that you slated the bacon boy in the top 40 brought my spirits back up. Just dont start him vs LAA and you’re good to go. excited to see him continue to grow and with a better infield this year as well. Glad SD wouldn’t part with street for him.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha…Nice video…

  82. SwaggerJackers says:
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    Pitching is SOOOOO deep Verlander was spotted performing Tommy John surgery on himself at a Hawthorne Heights concert just to feel alive.

  83. Brett says:
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    Long time listner, first time caller. I need some advice that only a mustache like your could provide. 12 team h2h forever keeper. His trout for my hanram, cargo, and cutch. I have no idea what to do. My other keepers are wright, harper, j upton, giancarlo, b ham. 8 keepers and i have no ther options at keeper so it would leave me with trout, harper, upton, wright, giancarlo, and b ham as my six. Any thoughts ohh ye of the half harry face.?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha, thanks! Love Trout but that’s a bit too hefty a price…

      • Brett says:
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        @Grey: @Grey: i agree but trout, harper and giancarlo are calling my name. Some in deep baratone and others in soft angelic voices, but calling my name like i haven’t heard since my college days. I’m gonna take the high road and stay put, but if it comes across my transactions i may get any itchy trigger. Ahhhh trout, harper, and giancarlo……..one day

  84. Rob says:
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    Need advice Grey: 10 team NL only 4×4 standard roto, $280 for 15/10 players each. 5 keepers only: Jose Fernandez-3, s. Marshall -1, Niese -5, K. Jansen -10, Hundley 1. As thy are not great keepers do I trade Jose F (new Doc Gooden) at $3 for three keepers (Eric young at $1, M. Carpenter at $9 and Puig at $26) or stick with my five guys? Thanks!
    Or I could trade Fernandez at 3 for szamardija at 3, belt at 20, gattis at 10. Thank you!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Stick with what you have for now, but try to find a different trade because your keepers aren’t good as is…

  85. Carnac says:
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    Pitching is so deep all these posts have an echo.

  86. goodfold2 says:
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    mcgahee now available as well. this ranking seem about right, i need at least 1 CI and 1 MI out of these. possibly a 2nd at one spot, but not more than 3 guys. I’ll dump Ciriaco and Schumaker if i get at least 2 of them.
    k.johnson/mercer/mcgahee/gillaspie/sogard/weeks/aviles.

    • Grey

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      I ranked them already

      • goodfold2 says:
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        @Grey: i know, was more a mcgahee vs mercer question now that i look closer at it.

  87. Carnac says:
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    I’m already feeling torn between Avisail ($1) and Yelich ($3) in a h2h keeper. Is it a coin flip?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’d go Avisail…

    • SwaggerJackers says:
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      @Carnac: With a solid eye at the plate and a decent place in the lineup (I know, it’s the Marlins), I’d want Yelich. Dude will be a stud one day and he’s only 16!

  88. Chris says:
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    Grey (and others)–test of strength on how much you like Wheeler and Eric Hosmer…in dynasty Ottoneu points…

    Hosmer (19) and Janssen (6) for Wheeler (11) and Granderson (17).

    Who wins and by how much?

  89. Gern Cranium says:
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    Dynasty league keep forever no salaries/contracts

    Cain vs Gausman

  90. Brian says:
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    Would you go with Salazar at $8 or Arenado at $4?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Arenado

  91. Evan says:
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    I don’t see Masterson ranked as high as you do from anyone else. I have him as a $1 keeper in 14 team mixed 5×5. Worth it? Thanks again. I’m leaning yes because I believe in you.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, he’s worth a $1, though have no idea of your options…

      • Evan says:
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        @Grey:

        I got offered $26 Edwin Encarnacion for a $11 Lucroy and $8 Glen Perkins.

        Should I take it?

        Thank you.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Take Edwin

          • Evan says:
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            @Grey:

            Thanks. I made the move. I got Edwin.

            Now for some keeper questions.
            14 Team – Mixed
            5×5

            Can you rank these guys? Any one a must keep?

            Jason Castro – $3
            Alexei Ramirez – $2
            Jed Lowrie – $1
            Prado – $13
            Heyward – $22
            Ervin Santana – $1

            Thank you.

            • Grey

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              Lowrie, Alexei, Heyward…None are must keeps…

  92. Joe says:
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    Grey,

    I know your a big fan a salazar. what do you think of this trade I was offered

    Salazar (14th rd)
    Rizzo (18th rd)

    for
    Scherzer ( 11th rd)
    Donaldson (14th rd)

    Its a 5×5 keeper league. I’m thinking long term option (3-5 years) as in the short term I’d clearly rather keep scherzer and donaldson.

    Overall, I think I should stay where I am but wanted to get you opinion.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Scherzer side

  93. Sky

    Sky says:
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  94. Nate says:
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    Minor safer than Teheran? Okay hang on; there is one thing I noticed clearly about this list that may be a problem—You’re too afraid to progress rookie SP. Minor did have 3-straight improvement campaigns and has been seamless in his MiLB transition, but here’s something about Teheran I’m not sure you’re aware of: He dropped a great curveball to keep his rookie year from going over-complicated, so he stayed Fastball-Slider. Also, 2B and 3B are first on the chopping block in case of early woes. In other words, Ozzie Smith with range and an arm will have a better dance partner than Dan Uggla next year. Uptons and Heyward tremendous OF.

    Capper: Lineup was about as poor as it could have possibly been with the exception of C. Johnson. Runs will be there and so will Kimbrel. MAJOR formula for Wins cooking here. Take a breath, then go move Shelby Miller up. Only guy who can compete with Julio and Fernandez.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’m not sure what you’re getting at…

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