Comments on: Top 40 Starters, 2009 Fantasy Baseball

By: Grey

Grey — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:39:37 +0000

@Elijah: @Steve: Lee did garner Cy Young votes back in '05. So it's not completely uncharted territory. He still seems like a 3.50 ERA pitcher to me more than a 2.50 like he was in his Cy Young year. A very good pitcher, but not a great one. @big o: Nice.

By: big o

big o — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:53:09 +0000

found this picture of grey , before he cleaned up his act .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMzoqpyUbhg

hope you enjoy this classic .

By: Elijah

Elijah — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:55:56 +0000

@Steve: Roaming over to Baseball.reference to see what happened to Grey, I notice Lee 'broke out' in his 5th full season, Koufax about the same, Johnson about the same, Moyer somewhat later. Lee didnt make the majors til later, but otherwise theres some correlation there.

By: Elijah

Elijah — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:46:48 +0000

@Steve:

Its an odd ‘career arc’ but some lefties seem to ‘zone in’ much later than the typical starting pitchers arc. Jamie Moyer, late bloomer. Randy Johnson, late bloomer. Sandy Koufax, late bloomer…maybe Cliff Lee, late bloomer?!

By: Steve

Steve — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:40:33 +0000

@Elijah: I think most of us here were happy to go along with Grey's pre-season assessment that Lee's season last year was something of an outlier and he was due for a correction, but credit where credit's due, he's putting on a pretty impressive show.

By: Elijah

Elijah — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:31:24 +0000

Sounds odd to say it at the time, but that was a potentially legendary start for Lee, to shut down the Empire in their house Game 1.

By: Elijah

Elijah — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:29:19 +0000

They let Lee go the distance, someone’s listening to me, heh.

By: Elijah

Elijah — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:25:46 +0000

@Grey: China has an advantage over the democracies in that it can really envision and implement long term strategic plans. If they have a plan, and their experts come back and say, "Yes we can do that, but it will take 20 years." its not a problem, if anything they prefer to wait quietly until all their plans come to fruit, its part of the culture. Those sorts of missions are almost impossible in the US, there's no short-term political gain, and the architects would of course be long gone before the plan could be completed, not to mention long term plans are not as well suited to our general psychology.

By: Grey

Grey — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:07:22 +0000

@Steve: Interesting, I had no idea. @Elijah: Be fascinating if it were Japan and China working together like that. In some ways China would still be 2nd fiddle. Can't get out of the shadow. Even if it dwarfs the others.

By: Elijah

Elijah — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:02:51 +0000

@Grey: Which I imagine is the primary reason (other than our economic instability due to massive debt) they don't want the US involved, raises their status and the all-important "face". Then you have countries like Australia and Singapore that would prefer a full Pacific Rim Union with US at the head.