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All the final 2011 fantasy baseball rankings for hitters are done. For those that skipped today’s title, this starts the top 20 starters for 2011 fantasy baseball.  This is NOT for 2012 (caps for those still wearing their Dolphin Tale 3-D glasses).  This is a recap.  Will these affect next year’s rankings?  Sure.  But not entirely.  To recapitulate, these rankings are from ESPN’s Player Rater.  It’s an objective third party to fairly gauge my preseason rankings.  Does this mean I think ESPN’s Player Rater is the Tootie and I’m the Natalie?  No, just an unbiased comparison.  Anyway, here’s the top 20 starters for 2011 fantasy baseball and how they compare to where I originally ranked them:

1. Justin Verlander – Verlander was terrific yadda3.  I’d prefer to take his blurb to talk about how easily pitchers can go wrong, or fantasy teams, in general.  I had Kershaw, Hamels and Yovani as guys I wanted in the preseason.  They all finished in this top 20.  Unfortunately, I also had Liriano in a group of pitchers I wanted, and he was the one I ended up with in a bunch of leagues.  Pitching can be found later in drafts so this didn’t kill all my leagues, but it just shows you how easily a coin flip (Liriano or Kershaw) can turn a team’s fortunes.  Preseason Rank #12, 2011 Projections: 15-10/3.50/1.18/210, Final Numbers:  24-5/2.40/0.92/250

2. Clayton Kershaw – You know what’s nice about Clayton Kershaw?  Everything!  This article from 2010 always sticks in the back of my mind.  This is pretty unfair to point out.  We’ve all been wrong.  Shoot, I’m wrong more than I’m right.  I’m probably wrong just pointing this article out.  For those who don’t have ESPN Hindsighter, the piece was written almost two years ago.  (Yeah, I randomly remember shizz like this but forget where I parked my car.)  The author compares Kershaw to young pitchers over the last 30 years and how they get hurt or lose velocity.  He compares Kershaw to Kazmir and Ollie Perez.  Only there’s no mention that Kazmir and Perez had an entirely different flaw in their games.  They walked more than someone with a DUI in Los Angeles.  Also, he mentions Doc Gooden.  Only he doesn’t mention that Gooden had the world by the nuts until he decided to see if he could snort the foul lines.  What’s also omitted in that article is that Feller, Drysdale and Blyleven did pretty well at the ripe old age of 22.  Could Kershaw collapse because he has too many innings on his arm at a young age?  I suppose, but not because a few prodigies did and some other prodigies didn’t.  Preseason Rank #7, 2011 Projections: 14-8/3.00/1.15/220, Final Numbers: 21-5/2.28/0.98/248

3. Roy Halladay – The fact that Halladay ended up 3rd is more a testament to the two pitchers above him rather than an indictment on anything he did.  Preseason Rank #1, 2011 Projections: 19-7/2.75/1.06/205, Final Numbers:  19-6/2.35/1.04/220

4. Cliff Lee – This is more of an over-arching issue with my preseason projections and the end of the year numbers.  Pitchers were a lot better than I thought they’d be (or hitters were a lot worse).  Guys I really liked in the preseason such as Lee, I projected an ERA for them a hair under 3.00.  There were 16 pitchers with an ERA under 3.00.  And a bunch of them weren’t just a “hair” under 3.00.  It’s the Age of ERA-rius.  Preseason Rank #3, 2011 Projections: 16-6/2.95/1.05/190, Final Numbers:  17-8/2.40/1.03/238

5. Jered Weaver – On one of the last days of the season, I took my rusty scalpel to Jered Weaver for 2011.  I wrote it while remarking what a nice beaver you have.  Preseason Rank #10, 2011 Projections: 15-10/3.40/1.15/195, Final Numbers:  18-8/2.41/1.01/198

6. James Shields – This might be a bit shocking to some people, but Shields’s 2010 when he had a 5.18 ERA wasn’t really that different than his 2.82 ERA this year.  He gave up a few less homers, was lucky with BABIP and left more men on base.  He’s been a mid-3 ERA pitcher more or less for the last two years.  Preseason Rank #58, 2011 Projections: 12-8/3.95/1.30/170, Final Numbers:  16-12/2.82/1.04/225

7. Ian Kennedy – This is a bit of a continuation of what I said in the Verlander blurb about getting unlucky with my first starter.  In the preseason I said I wanted Kennedy, Bumgarner, Chacin, Cueto, Morrow, Edwin Jackson, Jonathan Sanchez or de la Rosa as my fourth starter.  Lots of hits there, but I could’ve ended up with the misses.  I didn’t though.  So luck does tend to even out.  Or not.  Your choice.  Preseason Rank #40, 2011 Projections: 11-10/3.75/1.25/180, Final Numbers:  21-4/2.88/1.09/198

8. Cole Hamels – My pitching projections weren’t great, but the guys I told you to draft weren’t bad.  I’ve pegged Hamels as a guy to go after for four (stutterer!) years now.  Next year, it’ll be the fifth.  Really nothing ever wrong with Hamels assuming his luck isn’t terrible.  Preseason Rank #14, 2011 Projections: 14-10/3.40/1.18/190, Final Numbers:  14-9/2.79/0.99/194

9. Dan Haren – “You got your head so far up your ass your mustache is also your eyebrows!  There’s no such thing as the Haren pre- and post-All Star break splits!”  That’s you.  This year:  2.61 ERA pre-All Star break; 3.89 ERA post-All Star break.  Um, okay.  Preseason Rank #20, 2011 Projections: 15-9/3.60/1.18/215, Final Numbers:  16-10/3.17/1.02/192

10. CC Sabathia – For a few years now, CC has worried me with his innings.  Yeah, he’s a workhorse, but this is the 2nd year in a row where his post-All Star break numbers have been less than stellar and in 2011 it was even more pronounced.  I.e., it’s pronounced:  tired.  Preseason Rank #5, 2011 Projections: 18-10/3.40/1.20/190, Final Numbers:  19-8/3.00/1.23/230

11. Josh Beckett – You can go ahead and read Shields’s blurb again, because it’s pretty much the same deal with Beckett.  Preseason Rank #29, 2011 Projections: 15-9/4.15/1.24/170, Final Numbers:  13-7/2.89/1.03/175

12. C.J. Wilson – A recurring theme in my stupid assitude is my inability to understand relievers turned starters.  Wilson didn’t feel the effects of 2010 on his arm, he actually got better.  I really have no clue.  Preseason Rank #49, 2011 Projections: 12-6/3.95/1.28/165, Final Numbers:  16-7/2.94/1.19/206

13. Matt Cain – As I continue to be the best ‘pert I can be, I’ve realized I should ignore certain stats for Cain.  Yes, I’m smarter now because I’ve chosen to be more ignorant.  You’re welcome.  Preseason Rank #23, 2011 Projections: 13-9/3.50/1.12/180, Final Numbers:  12-11/2.88/1.08/179

14. Ricky Romero – In the preseason, when I told you to draft Romero, here’s what I said, “Let’s count the ways we love Ricky Romero, shall we?  7 ways!  Okay, maybe I should count them out loud.  1) Will only be 26 years old.  2) Will be entering his third big league season, a time when pitchers tend to hit their stride.  3) His K-rate was 7 and half and can get better. 4) He cut his walks last year.  5) Golden rings.  6) Pitches in the AL East… Hmm… That’s not a positive.  7)  There was really only 4 reasons that I stretched out to 7.”  And that’s me quoting me!  Preseason Rank #59, 2011 Projections: 13-6/3.65/1.30/180, Final Numbers:  15-11/2.92/1.14/178

15. Tim Lincecum – I was pretty concerned about Lincecum’s falling K-rate coming off his 2010 season…Yet, came closer to his projections than I did for most.  As always, it’s better to be wrong-right than right-right.  Preseason Rank #4, 2011 Projections: 15-10/3.20/1.18/225, Final Numbers:  13-14/2.74/1.21/220

16. Doug Fister – Easily the only pitcher that came completely out of nowhere.  Sure, I ranked Shields way lower than he ended up, but I told y0u to draft Shields.  Not only did I not mention Fister, but I wouldn’t have told you to even pick him up until around July.  Fister’s season wasn’t quite as pretty as it seemed, but his K-rate was respectable and his walks were low.  Fister, what a pisser!  (Though not Fister in the pisser.)  Preseason Unranked, Final Numbers: 11-13/2.83/1.06/146

17. David Price – I ranked Price 17th and he ended up 17th.  Boo-ya!  Unfortunately, I also said to not draft him.  Again, it’s about being wrong-right.  Price had a great 2010, but he actually had a better 2011.  It’s a truism, or it’s supposed to be a truism, that pitchers really hit their stride in their 3rd year in the bigs.  That’s what 2011 was for Price.  The great sign going forward is he looks like he can continue for years to come, barring injury.  Preseason Rank #17, 2011 Projections: 14-10/3.60/1.22/185, Final Numbers:  12-13/3.49/1.14/218

18. Tim Hudson – No fair, he stole Roy Oswalt’s end of the year stats.  Preseason Rank #27, 2011 Projections: 14-10/3.75/1.20/130, Final Numbers:  16-10/3.22/1.14/158

19. Yovani Gallardo – As anyone knows that was around in the preseason, I was caca-cuckoo for Gallardo.  I wanted him on every team.  I pretty much nailed his projections too.  Yet, I feel like he let me down a bit.  Funny thing with this is when I really like a guy, I want them to beat my projections, not match them.  That’s kinda how I am in every facet of my life too.  Maybe I am just like my mother.  She’s never satisfied.  Preseason Rank #9, 2011 Projections: 16-9/3.30/1.24/220, Final Numbers:   17-10/3.52/1.22/207

20. Felix Hernandez – F-Her can get lumped in with Shields and Beckett.  He had pretty much the same season this year as he had in 2010 when he won the Cy Young.  Only this year, he won an extra game, his K-rate was better, his luck was worse and he gave up two extra homers.  As his spooner cousin Helix Fernandez would say, “Most people just saw a downward spiral year.  Not wanting to see how his xFIP was similar from 2010 to 2011.  Or they just went DNA.  You know, Did Not Address.”  Preseason Rank #2, 2011 Projections: 16-12/2.80/1.10/220, Final Numbers:  14-14/3.47/1.22/222

105 Responses

  1. Terrence Mann says:
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    Kinda beat yourself up on this one, Grey. Prettay undeservedly. Look at the pitchers that shouldn’t be on that list based on 2010. Beckett, Shields, Romero. You had all those dudes as buys in the preseason.

    I know you mentioned in a blurb this year that you were going to draft a team with all NL west pitchers. I implore you to do this in at least one league this year.

  2. SwaggerJackers says:
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    F-Her finishing worse than Tim Hudson is upsetting.

    Can Fister and Vasquez repeat their 2nd halves or should they be avoided at their ADPs?

  3. royce! says:
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    Yeah, I think you deserve a pass on the David Price thing, if only because the next SP in your preseason rankings that you advocated drafting was Haren, which means that if one followed just those pieces of advice, everything would have been killer.

    It seems like this season pitching was generally great, and that batting had some insane seasons at the top (Kemp, for example), and then tailed off. The top players exceeded your batting projections, but then the later ones that you were right about their ranking had worse seasons than you projected (for example, Gardner) (please ignore that comparing real world numbers to your projections is not a very scientific way of showing this). Which I suppose makes sense. If pitching was generally better than usual, and there were a few guys with insane offensive seasons, then one would expect everyone else to suck just a little bit more.

  4. mike says:
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    “wrong-right rather than right-right” haha i love it

  5. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Terrence Mann: Thanks, Mann. I’m definitely drafting all NL West pitchers on one team, may even draft just Padres pitchers. Wins be damned.

    @SwaggerJackers: Depends on their ADPs. Fister will probably be overrated by a bit, and I could see passing on him. I don’t think anyone trusts Vazquez enough to overdraft him.

    @royce!: Yeah, I noticed that too. There was very little depth at any position. Go to midway point on a position — 10 down on a 20 deep position or 20 down on a 40 deep — and things start to get wonky.

    @mike: Thanks!

  6. mhfella says:
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    Went back and checked out your August podcast. Quite the giggler, you! Or did you send some imposter, like for that interview in that Matt Damon movie?

  7. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @mhfella: Nope, that’s me. The giggler. Like Ricky Gervais, or a 12 year old girl.

  8. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:
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    @Grey: I think it was 200 movies for the year 2010… which came out to more than a movie every other day, if memory serves. Anyway, no, I am not doing that anymore. That was just an effort to get caught up on my “To Watch” list (which I didn’t) and a test of sorts. I probably watch 1-3 movies per week still, but I don’t have myself strapped to any self-imposed schedule.

    Seen a lot of crap lately (e.g. Captain America, Red Riding Hood, Green Lantern)… only good ones I can think of were Bridesmaids and PJ 20 (probably only good if you were into the Seattle music scene).

  9. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Awesomus Maximus: Never heard of PJ 20 and wasn’t into that scene. But what I really want to talk about. Survivor SPOILER ALERT: Why didn’t anyone say, “Um, okay, but isn’t Christine already on our side?”

  10. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:
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    @Grey: I didn’t get that at all. She was voted out of the tribe Benjamin, plainly said at the first redemption challenge that she was going to flip to the tribe Ozzy if she made it through… where’s the dilemma?

    I honestly think that people lose their minds in this game, for reals. Lack of sustenance (though they’re fed like kings compared to the first season… every challenge reward is a feast), paranoia, missing home/family. I think it causes them to not think straight.

  11. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Awesomus Maximus: Or it causes their worst instincts to come out. Like Ozzy wanting to make such a heroic move that he puts aside all common sense. Or he just thinks with his heart. Was surprised no one else said anything about Christine though.

  12. Wake Up says:
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    I can see Shields as the most likely SP to under-perform his ADP.

    CC’s K rate actually went up after the ASB, not usually the case for a tiring SP. But, he did give up way too many hits and his HR rate was a little unlucky(or he just decided to give up a season’s worth of HRs in the second half).

    YoGa seems primed to exceed expectations and projections next year, hopefully he slips in the drafts a bit. Shiva Rea says that you don’t really hit your stride until the 4th year. But, maybe I’m just too demanding?

  13. Wake Up says:
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    Oh, I agree that PJ20 was great!

  14. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Wake Up: I had to Google Shiva Rea… Nice.

  15. Wake Up says:
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    @Grey: I once had the opportunity to Google her too but, I blew it.

  16. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Wake Up: Should try and Bing her.

  17. Simply Fred

    simply fred says:
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    @Grey: Wish we’d had that link to start the season. I am in a group of ‘Survivors’ the core of which has been together since season one. Losers buy the winner dinner plus some minor payouts. constructed our own immunity idol necklace (christened The Shame of James). The winner of the pre-season survivor trivia quiz gets to hold it. Plays it when he thinks one of his two picks is sure to get kicked off. Won’t bother you with more details. Just to say: We are having a ton of fun with it. We ran into my wife’s pick Steve from last season in the lobby in Vegas. Results weren’t public yet. All he said was, “is it too late to change your pick?” :-)

  18. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @simply fred: That’s awesome! I wish I had Survivor watching buddies. Actually…I do but I don’t like that they talk during the show. Steve the football player? Who do you have this year? I’m all in on Albert.

  19. chata says:
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    @Grey:

    a) amidst all of your wise-crackery and hollywood movie-isms ,
    you my friend , have stumbled upon the key : “Yes, I’m smarter now because I’ve chosen to be more ignorant.”
    b) your mother has the perfect attitude for golf .
    c)
    d) sophia is my choice .

  20. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @chata: Sophie’s not a bad choice. She just doesn’t seem like she’s making enough moves. Sometimes that hurts people with the jury. There’s time for moves though, I guess.

  21. chata says:
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    @Grey:

    one of the best ever was james the grave-digger .
    didn’t he go home with 2 immunity idols in his pocket ?

  22. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @chata: Yeah, he did.

  23. Mark says:
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    Felix’s roto K-rate was better than 2010, but his IRL K-rate was actually slightly worse (not meaningfully, 23.2% in 2010 23.0% in 2011, the two best rates of his career, but still). K/9 is a tricky stat, especially when dealing with BABIP outliers, because the denominator in K/9 is different than the denominator for K%. K/9 essentially breaks out to K/Out (since 9 innings are a composite of innings, and innings are measured in outs, not batters) and K% is K/TBF (total batters faced). K/9 really tells you what percentage of outs achieved were strikeouts, while K% tells you what percent of plate appearances resulted in a strikeout. But what we know about BABIP tells us that measuring non-K outs isn’t really all that meaningful in terms of predictiveness, its better to simply look at Ks vs. non-Ks than Ks vs. non-K-outs for making predictions.

    The 8.55 K/9 was a bit of a constellation prize for Felix (same with any high BABIP player), in that it means he hurt your rates a bit more than expected, but as a side effect provided a few extra K/IP. If his BABIP had been neutral, his ERA/WHIP would have been prettier, but his K/IP would have been slightly worse.

  24. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Mark: Makes sense, you’re not gonna strikeout as many guys if you don’t see as many hitters.

  25. Steve says:
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    @Grey: I’m glad we have food to talk about in the (fantasy) off-season.

    I’m afraid I just can’t get with the whole Survivor thing (or reality TV in general) at all.

    I hope this won’t cause problems between us.

  26. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Steve: Do they air it there?

  27. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Yeah – we get all manner of stuff.

  28. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Steve: So you get it but don’t watch it? Oh, Steve… All right, we have food. And baseball. And books… And why don’t you watch it?

  29. Simply Fred

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    @Grey: I have Coach and Cochrane (not really Boston Rob knock-offs, oh well…). We do a snake draft, reverse order of previous season finish. Becky has Ozzy and Christine so she was fuming when Ozzy created the redemption face-off between themselves.

    @chata: Yeah, that’s why we named the idol The Shame of James. If you play the idol timely, you get your entry fee back and get to where the necklace to the next dinner proudly wearing your school’s mascot attached (Duck or Beaver). If you hold on to it and both picks gone, you have to wear the necklace with the opposing mascot.

    I actually went to a casting call, but didn’t hear from them (must have missed by one… :-) )

  30. Simply Fred

    simply fred says:
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    @simply fred: sp wear not where…

  31. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Probably for all the same reasons the fans *do* watch it.

    The people are annoyingly over-the-top, the contrived situations, the faux drama – all the normal hater stuff I suppose (emoticon).

    I guess I prefer my human interaction to be of the Bunk-and-Omar-sitting-on-the-bench-as-Bunk-cusses-him-out variety.

    To be honest, I don’t watch a huge amount of TV. By the time the kids are in bed, I’ve cooked the dinner (as I do most nights), eaten dinner while watching the news we’ve DVR’d from earlier, it’s time to do the dishes and go to bed!

  32. Simply Fred

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    @Grey: Albert a stud who needs to establish leadership. He tried to make a move against Coach to get rid of his girl, but failed. Not a good sign for him.

  33. Simply Fred

    simply fred says:
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    @Grey: just checked. Albert was the first pick off our board this season… :-)

  34. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @simply fred: That’s awesome! Do you draft before the season starts? Just on their bios? Or after the first episode?

    @Steve: Gotcha… Have you watched Breaking Bad at all? I’m about to start a marathon of that.

    @simply fred: He just needs to cut off Coach and it will appear like he was in control the whole time.

  35. Steve says:
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    @Grey: I haven’t, but I’ve heard plenty of good things about it. I may have an episode or two somewhere I think.

  36. Simply Fred

    simply fred says:
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    @Grey: Yes, just off bios. Cochrane-The-Whiner wouldn’t have made the team after first episode.

    Coach will cut himself off by sticking by Hantz.

    You likely right about Albert. A guy should start a blog handicapping new season survivors–must be BIG MONEY in that… :-)

  37. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Steve: It’s on Netflix Instant Streaming here, not sure if you have the same service or movies/shows on it.

    @simply fred: Wow, that’s impressive you guys just go off of bios. That’s not easy at all. I’d say Cochrane is actually in a great circumstance now to go far. Once the weak get to the merge they can suddenly fly under radar for a while.

  38. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Netflix is not available here, though you can do some trickery to fool Netflix into thinking that you’re connecting from the US and access it that way.

    Haven’t tried it though. Would blow through my monthly broadband cap in a couple of days too!

  39. chata says:
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    @Steve:

    please explain monthly broadband cap .

  40. Steve says:
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    @chata: You pay for a certain amount of broadband data each month – 20 GB in our case.

    No such thing as ‘unlimited’ here.

  41. Simply Fred

    simply fred says:
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    @Grey:

    Yeah, not much to go on as to how survivors will actually perform just from bios. Still, it’s fun to have a rooting interest and some finger-pointing during the season.

    We get some turnover with ‘broken relationships’. Winner gets his pick of eating establishments. Not sure group willing to trek to LA for the payoff.

    We have a new player this season, so I made the trivia quiz from the current season bios (so as not to disadvantage the new player). She was one of two (women) that got the question, “Who is a football player?” Mikayla, the ‘lingerie football league’ player. The boys all took a stab at a man.

  42. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:
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    @Grey: Ridiculous… this is his idea of strategy? That’s why he lost to Yul (the best to ever play the game), because his performance ego outweighs his common sense.

    @Steve: I would agree that (obviously) the situations are all contrived, but the human interaction is most definitely not. It’s one of the things that makes the show so interesting… that you see what people are really and truly like as well as what they pretend to be.

    @simply fred: My wife and I have been watching together for years, and after a stretch of my pick getting voted off first four years in a row (tougher than picking a winner, as far as I’m concerned), I’ve given up on guessing. Sounds like fun, though.

  43. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Steve: Just bought my Halloween costume. Dan Aykroyd from the end scene in Trading Places when he’s dressed up Jamaican.

    @simply fred: Yeah, even that description of Mikayala is generous. She was a Playboy centerfold.

    @Awesomus Maximus: Yul was a supreme player. So good that he didn’t draw attention to himself as being good.

  44. Steve says:
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    @Awesomus Maximus: Or at least what people who are selected to be on a reality show are really like ;-) Seriously, can’t disagree with any of what you say. Just not my thing I guess. A bit like oysters – every now and then I try them again just in case I’ve been wrong all along and I’m really missing out on something. The answer’s the same every time.

    @Grey: Yikes. Complete with blackface? Be sure to wash and moisturise thoroughly the next day.

    Jamie Lee Curtis was so hot in that movie. To my 17yo self, anyway.

  45. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Steve: Yup, in complete black face!

  46. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Stay away from the Al Jolson impersonations.

  47. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Steve: I just watched the Trading Places scene where Lionel Joseph makes an appearance. It’s so bad!

  48. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Yeah. Might not be quite so easy to wrap that one up in the veil of comedy these days.

  49. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Steve: Oh, I’m gonna pull it off.

  50. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Oh, of that I have no doubt.

  51. chata says:
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    nice rendition of “God Bless America” tonight .

  52. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @chata: Nice game…

  53. Steve says:
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    Bloody Derek Holland. Always getting a ton of run support.

  54. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Steve: Looking great too. I mean, besides the mustache.

  55. Steve says:
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    @Grey: After the mustache, anything else is gravy.

  56. Steve says:
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    Can you tell I can’t grow one?

  57. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Steve: Can’t grow one? Your deity mocks you. Uh-oh, Rangers making it interesting…

  58. Steve says:
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    @Grey: I did for Movember a couple of years ago, but wasn’t much return for a month of effort.

    I wouldn’t mind a Game 7, with my soft spot for the Cards and all.

  59. Awesomus Maximus

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    @Grey: Didn’t draw too much attention to himself during the game, and then was the one person I’ve seen truly manage the bitter and angry group known as The Jury. Hatch did a good job of it, too, but Yul ran that show like he was Steve Jobs at a Mac Expo.

    @Steve: Yes, that is very true; there is a divide between those who would be on a reality show and those (like me) who would never put themselves in that position. However, there are many different reasons why people go on Survivor, not just to be famous (e.g. to test themselves physically, to test themselves mentally, to win money, just for the experience), so I do think it draws in a better cross section than your typical “I want to be famous” crowd.

  60. chata says:
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    @Steve:

    outside of the mustache , everything is gravy .

  61. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Steve: I’d like a game 7 just because it’s a game 7. High drama and all that.

    @Awesomus Maximus: Agreed… BTW, how perfect is it that Zach has a friend named Brock?

  62. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Yeah – that’s the main reason I want to see it keep going, to be honest. I won’t be crying into my beer (which has just come out at work BTW) if the Rangers win it tonight.

  63. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Steve: They give you beer at work? What kind?

  64. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:
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    @Grey: No bull… that and when the interviewer asked Frank, “Is this how you normally dress for a job interview?” were the two things that had me laughing the hardest. The blonde saying, “I didn’t even know there were 300 gay people in the Army.” was pretty damn funny, too.

    I’m loving her and Zach bonding and falling in love via their mutual fear of the gay, as well as the fact that they both think Zach is the greatest thing in the world. Seriously, she seems like she wants to have her face grafted to his bunghole Human Centipede style.

  65. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Awesomus Maximus: The funny thing is — though not that funny — if Zach was fine with gay people, she’d be all about them too.

  66. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:
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    ¿Feliz… o infeliz?

  67. Simply Fred

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    @Grey: From your lips to God’s ears!

  68. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:
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    Cruz looked like Willie Mays on that play… the exact opposite of Willie Mays, that is.

  69. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Pretty vanilla – having a Heineken right now.

    How about this game?

  70. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:
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    @Grey: On waivers, mostly… at least in my leagues.

  71. chata says:
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    hamilton answers

  72. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Yup. Crikey.

  73. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:
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    Damn… the end of this postseason is threatening to be as exciting as the end of this regular season.

  74. chata says:
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    washington celebrating like he’s already found his 8-ball .

  75. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:
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    @chata: If Texas wins, Ron’s cokestache is gonna’ put Holland’s moustache to shame.

  76. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @chata: I like how Buck said Washington will be ready to celebrate tonight. I’m sure he will.

  77. Steve says:
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    @Grey: @chata: A World Series title is not to be – ahem – sniffed at.

  78. chata says:
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    is that cruz , still out in right field ?
    looks like he’s freaking .

  79. chata says:
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    9 to 7

    kinda brings back memories of the mazeroski game .

  80. chata says:
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    gotta IBB pujols .

  81. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @chata: Yeah, had to.

  82. chata says:
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    washington ==> “if i don’t intentionally walk pujols , people are gonna think that i’m on drugs” .

  83. Grey

    Grey says:
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    Insane

  84. chata says:
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    pressure hit for berkman , there .

  85. chata says:
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    dipshit alert !

    i couldn’t think of a better group of guys to be enjoying this game with
    than you 3 .

  86. Steve says:
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    Amazing stuff. Following on my phone now.

  87. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @chata: Ha, thanks!

    @Steve: Don’t use all your broadband, there’s tomorrow…Maybe.

  88. Steve says:
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    Ha! On 3G for now!

  89. Steve says:
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    Good heavens. The Cards have been down to their final strike – TWICE.

  90. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:
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    Did Washington just throw in the towel?

  91. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @chata: @Steve: Rangers piss poor long men are being exploited.

  92. Grey

    Grey says:
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    See you tomorrow night!

  93. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:
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    Unreal…

  94. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:
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    Tomorrow then, gents.

  95. royce! says:
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    Sorry to show up late…hope I didn’t miss anything.

  96. Howard says:
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    Kinda makes me regret trading David Freese!

  97. chata says:
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    haha … on sweet genius , the guy hacks up a bonzai tree !

  98. Steve says:
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    Can someone explain to me the significance of the ‘see you tomorrow night’ call? Not the first time it’s been used I’m guessing…

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