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The royal we already went over all the hitters for 2014 fantasy baseball rankings.  That’s not the “royal we” as that term usually implies.  It was me writing it alone while wearing a Burger King crown.  I refuse to draft a top starter where they are usually drafted.  Unlike hitters, you need six starters, depending on your league depth.  Simple math tells us there’s plenty of starters to go around.  Simple Math, “Don’t put words in my mouth!”  In most leagues, there’s a ton of guys on waivers that can help you — all year.  Not just in April, and then they disappear.  With the help of the Stream-o-Nator (it’s not populated right now because there’s no scheduled games), you can get by with, say, three starters while streaming the rest.  To read more about streaming as a draft strategy.  Rudy’s also going to be doing a post shortly about streaming hitters and starters.  There’s also the fact that three stats by starters are difficult to predict due to luck.  Wins, ERA and WHIP are prone to shift due to which way the ball bounces and whether or not the guys behind the pitchers can score runs.  Finally, the best starters can give you four categories.  The best hitters can give you five categories.  If you don’t trust my rankings, you should.  As always, where I see tiers starting and stopping are included and my projections.  Anyway, here’s the top 20 starters for 2014 fantasy baseball:

1. Clayton Kershaw – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Bumgarner.  I call this tier, “They’re great, I won’t own them, let’s Patty Cake while others are drafting them.”  There’s more pitchers than Michael J. Fox can shake a stick at.  In some leagues, you could do fine not drafting any starters.  Look at me having faith in you.  We’ve bonded through the years!  Now, I’m not talking H2H leagues where you can carry only relievers.  I’m talking 10 or 12-team roto leagues where you can stream starters.  Maybe you own one starter and stream five spots.  Maybe you own two guys and stream four spots.  Maybe you drink seven cups of coffee and stream all day.  But even if you want to draft an entire rotation and hold them (or try to), you don’t need a guy from this tier.  There’s plenty of options later to fill out your rotation so you’re competitive in leagues where you can’t stream.  I’m not suggesting you Reggie Roby starters.  I’m telling you to Reggie Roby top starters.  Concentrate on your hitting while these guys are being drafted.  As for Kershaw, I went over him in the top 20 for 2014 fantasy baseball.

2. Yu Darvish – You know a guy had a prettay, prettay good year when you expect regression and you still project him for 238 Ks.  No FUPA here.  Lean, mean, K’ing machine.  If F-Her is King Felix, Darvish should be The K’ing.  Last year, Darvish missed a start due to injury and had 277 Ks.  Oh, eff me that’s beautiful.  That’s like a Cougar standing over one of those water fountains at Universal Studios that shoots water up from the sidewalk.  What?  It’s my fantasy.  Leave me alone.  If Darvish drops even a half a strikeout per nine, his walk rate could catch up to his ERA, driving his ERA up about a quarter of a run, which would push him to around 3.10-ish, so be careful (if you completely defy me and draft him).  2014 Projections: 17-10/2.78/1.11/238

3. Felix Hernandez – The really crazy thing (not that crazy) is for the last few years I keep saying F-Her has actually been better than his Cy Young year in 2010 when he had a 2.27 ERA even though his ERAs since then have been 3.47, 3.06 and 3.04.  Last year was more of the same.  Actually much more.  He had the best year of his career for K-rate and walk rate.  Here’s a secret for you, ignore ERA and WHIP and look at K-rate and walk rate.  When they’re both elite, the pitcher’s elite.  BTW, did you know there was a word pelite?  And I just beat you in Words With Friends, sorry.  2014 Projections: 16-4/2.82/1.10/224

4. Max Scherzer – We missed him last year.  That was our window to own him.  Or, rather, I missed him last year.  Maybe you had him.  Now, I can’t own him.  I mean… I can.  Okay, this goes for all of the guys in this tier.  If they fall a few rounds past where they should’ve been drafted then I can see getting them— Oh, who am I kidding?  That’s a pipe dream like Pookie from New Jack City would have.  There’s no way Scherzer is falling, or any of these guys.  Scherzer and I will see each other again one day, probably a year after he gets unlucky on BABIP or FIP or some other acronym that will get you scoffed at by Murray Chass.  “I got your FIP right here.”  That’s Murray Chass as he bends over and moons you.  The good news is there’s plenty of guys that will be this year’s Scherzer that you can draft later.  2014 Projections:  17-8/3.01/1.12/232

5. Stephen Strasburg – He’s going to be 25 years old this year and the only thing stopping him from winning a Cy Young is health and wins.  Could come any year.  This year is as good as any.  That doesn’t mean there isn’t some room for concern.  Last year, his K-rate dropped almost two Ks per nine.  Thankfully, his K-rate is still over nine.  You’re welcomefully, to not draft him either way.  2014 Projections:  16-7/2.79/1.04/202

6. Adam Wainwright – Between the regular and postseason last year, he pitched 276 2/3 IP.  That’s over 39 bags of ice for his shoulder, which when melted is the cubic weight of the Tigris River.  The Tigris River is also what Tiger Woods’s third most hired prostitute called his urethra.  Any of this seem like a coincidence?  I don’t think so either.  Wainwright doesn’t get you 230+ Ks, but he does give you quality start after quality start and a minuscule walk rate with an 8+ K-rate.  I’d safely invest in him if I invested in top arms.  2014 Projections:  17-10/2.88/1.05/204

7. Madison Bumgarner – Imagine Meryl Streep and her children, Cliff Lee and Madison Bumgarner, are seized by Nazis.  The Nazi guard, let’s call him General Sauerjerkoff, tells Meryl that she can only keep one child.  She might think it’s best to tell General Sauerjerkoff she wants to keep Cliff Lee due to his tremendous, ongoing track record, but Madison Bumgarner is only 24 years old and has stats trending in the right direction.   It’s a Sophie’s Choice no one wants, and I don’t envy Meryl one bit, but Bumgarner is a beast that is actually getting better.  Of course, you shouldn’t draft either, so Gen. Sauerjerkoff can have them both.  Leave me Taijuan Walker, Sauerjerkoff.  2014 Projections:  16-10/2.91/1.09/201

8. Cliff Lee – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Verlander.  I call this tier, “Semantics.”  What I mean by the tier name is I wouldn’t draft Lee and Verlander, and they’re probably elite, so they could’ve just been put in the above tier, but they felt slightly below those top-top guys.  Either way, it’s semantics (the tier).  At some point Cliff Lee’s career will fall off the, uh, cliff, but so far there’s no huge red flags with his peripherals.  The Adverb’s velocity did come down a tad in 2013, so if you’re looking for a reason to not draft him, there’s one.  Another reason, he slept with your wife while you were selling aluminum siding through the Midwest.  Sorry, don’t shoot the messenger.  2014 Projections:  15-10/3.12/1.07/205

9. Justin Verlander – It’s usually a good rule of thumb that if a starter is getting into his thirties and shows a drop off, now’s not the time to buy into him.  Last year, he had a 3.46 ERA, which in the grand scheme things isn’t that bad.  A 3.46 ERA is manageable.  He was actually lucky to have an ERA that good.  His fastball velocity fell from 94.3 to 93.3 and his walk rate was above 3 while his K-rate fell below nine.  Again, not terrible numbers when compared to most pitchers.  Not great when compared to Verlander and/or the perception of Verlander.  With all that said (here comes the reversal), he had a terrible May, giving up 19 earned runs in 26 2/3 IP.  Throw out that month, he had a 3.05 ERA on the year.  Also, in the month of May, his BABIP was .439, so that’s very unlucky.  In September, his ERA was 2.27 and in the postseason his numbers were 0.57 ERA and 0.39 WHIP with 31 Ks in 23 IP.  I’m not drafting Verlander if he’s going early, but I see no reason why he can’t get right back to where he was in 2012.  2014 Projections:  16-9/3.15/1.09/224

10. Jose Fernandez – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Teheran.  I call this tier, “I could see drafting one of these guys if they’re there (stutterer!).”  One thing I can tell you that applies to all pitchers, don’t fear youth.  By the time most pitchers are thirty, their stuff will be declining and they’ll need to change their approach.  In their early twenties, it’s all fire and brimstone and gas and filth and pompous word choices by Keith Law and Mr. Boombastic very fantastic and arm strength.  You want guys that are nasty when they’re young.  Now, often when a guy is very young they have problems controlling their filth/stuff/noun.  Jose Fernandez doesn’t have that problem.  A guy who is twenty-one years old with a 9+ K-rate and a league-average walk rate is someone you can trust.  2014 Projections:  12-5/2.70/1.06/207

11. Chris Sale –  With Harvey out for the year, Sale has the best peripherals in the game.  I’ve gone over this before so if you’ve heard it just skip ahead to the comments and compliment me on my mustache.  A pitcher with a 9+ K-rate and a 3 walk rate is an ace.  A pitcher with a 9+ K-rate and a 2 walk rate is on the short list for Cy Young.  A pitcher with a 9+ K-rate and a sub-2 walk rate can do anything he wants, including sexual things to me.  Sale had a 9.49 K-rate and a 1.93 walk rate.  Pitchers that met that criteria last year?  Harvey and Sale, that’s it.  F-Her, Kershaw and The Adverb were close.  They were throwing horseshoes and hand grenades at how good Harvey and Sale were.  If Harvey didn’t get hurt, he’d be a top three pitcher this year.  Sale was essentially as good, but I’m just hoping to get him this late.  2014 Projections:  12-9/2.89/1.09/217

12. Anibal Sanchez – When isolating the lowest xFIPs and the highest K-rates, two pitchers remain — Yu and Anibal, which sounds like a Japanese children’s book.  “Read it to me again from the point where he appears on a wacky game show to recover the money he lost in the corporate fraud scandal.”  Anibal doesn’t have any other seasons where he recorded a 9.99 K-rate, except last year, but I’m willing to be his huckleberry that he can hold at least a 9 K-rate and keep his walk rate around 2.70.  Combined, those numbers get you an ace.  2014 Projections:  15-10/3.04/1.14/206

13. Alex Cobb – Yeah, I’m ranking Cobb higher than any other ‘pert in the history of the world.  I wonder this, this I wonder, Grey I am.  Would you prefer I rank guys for last year now?  Last year’s over.  Sorry, I know that’s news to some of you.  Cobb can be unhittable.  All through the minors his K-rates were above 9.  This year he’s gonna throw a no hitter.  On July 18th.  First game back from the All-Star break.  He’s also going to have a near-9 K-rate and a sub-3 walk rate.  He doesn’t overpower hitters with 100 MPH gas, but his changeup is unhittable.  He gets a ton of ground balls.  He had the sixth best ground ball rate in the majors.  There’s a real chance he has one of those 2.50-ish ERA seasons and a Cy Young year.  Of course, with ground balls there’s a chance here for some bad luck and his ERA to go up due to seeing-eye base hits.  I’m willing to roll the dice on rollers crapping out.  Wordplay points!  2014 Projections:  15-6/2.96/1.09/189

14. Homer Bailey – Very few pitchers have traveled the route Bailey has in the rankings.  He was flirting with barely a top 50 starter for a few years.  Lurking beneath the surface has been a top prospect that was headed for stardom about ten years ago.  Back in the day, he was voted onto the All-USA high school baseball team in the USA Today, our national paper that has pretty color pictures and easy-to-read polls.  He jumped into the major leagues almost seven years ago at the age of 21.  Then he sucked for about six years and everyone was like, “Homer Bailey is called Homer because he gives up homers and I’m clever and he’s stupid.”  Seven years later, he looks like he could be a top ten starter for the next five years.  His ballpark doesn’t make him quote-unquote safe, but everything is trending in the right direction — his fastball velocity even jumped from 92.5 to 94.1 — and he’s only 27 years old.  I kinda love Homer Bailey.  2014 Projections: 16-4/3.14/1.09/201

15. Julio Teheran – And you thought I was out on a limb with Alex Cobb.  Pfft to that.  I’m out on this Teheran limb real good.  If Teheran fails, it could be epic.  This ranking is not for the lily-livered.  Your liver better be something sturdy like an oak.  In the 2nd half, his ERA was 2.97.  His K-rate for the year was 8.24 and his walk rate was 2.18.  In the minors, he had better rates than even those.  His luck last year with men left on base coupled with his propensity for the long ball could spell D-O-O-M, but I’m willing to believe like Charlie in the Chocolate Factory.  His division rivals — the Mets, Phils and Marlins — are a mess and his team will give him run support.  I see this as the year everyone learns that Teheran isn’t just an Iranian city that makes you want to ptooey, but an ace pitcher.  2014 Projections:  15-7/3.12/1.15/191

16. David Price – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Moore.  I call this tier, “Loved them last year, not so much this year.”  When Price came back from arm injury, his ERA was right back to where we’ve expected it — 2.53 ERA post-injury.  Unfortch, his K-rate was kinda pedestrian and his fastball became a not-that-fast ball.  He did locate pitches better, dropping his walk rate.  Maybe he said, “Eff it, I’m gonna throw 93 MPH instead of 95+ and throw more strikes.”  I don’t know why he’d say that or how that would work.  Sounds like something Tim McCarver would’ve said Price did.  Pitchers don’t take two miles off their fastball to throw an extra seven to nine strikes a game.  It wasn’t like his walks were bad to begin with.  I don’t mind Price, but I think the Rays knew what they were doing when they were aggressively shopping him this offseason.  I’m pretty sure someone else will draft him before me.  2014 Projections:  16-10/3.26/1.11/176

17. Zack Greinke – Another guy I loved last year that I’m just not feeling this year in a non-sexual way.  As with Price, Greinke could win 20 games and have a sub-3 ERA with a little luck, but his peripherals don’t look right.  His K-rate fell all the way to 7.50, which was his worst rate since 2010 when he had a 4.17 ERA.  Unlike 2010 and last year, his fastball velocity was way down.  Last year he averaged 91.7 MPH.  If that were to fall just a hair further, he could be in serious trouble.  Also, his baby-face belies his age, he just turned thirty years old and his build doesn’t strike me as a guy that will go well into his 30’s without changing his approach.  His swinging strike rate was fine last year (a good indicator of strikeouts, obviously), but the deeper we go like a cyclops with a monocle we see hitters are swinging and fouling off his best pitches and not looking at called strikes nearly enough.  Essentially, hitters aren’t scared to face him anymore and why should they be when any Tom, Dick or Quentin can charge the mound and knock him into next month?  He’s not throwing as hard and it’s finding its way into his stats.  He could adapt, or simply repeat last year (which wasn’t bad), but I’d let someone else take the gamble.  2014 Projections:  16-8/3.34/1.17/173

18. Matt Moore – Besides me loving these guys last year, another thing they have in common — all the guys in this tier lost velocity.  Velocity loss isn’t good, obviously, but Moore has bigger problems than Price and Greinke.  He still doesn’t show any indication that he knows where the ball is going.  However, hitters do seem like they know where the pitch is going.  They know the pitch is not going near the strike zone.  They’re not swinging as much, inside and outside the strike zone.  Outside the strike zone is the bigger concern.  If they’re not swinging at balls, they’re taking them and getting ahead in the count or walking.  His percentage of strikes looking did go up.  Unfortch, I take that has a bad sign.  Hitters are going up to bat with a game plan — don’t swing until they have to.  So far, Moore hasn’t made them pay.  He could start throwing more strikes and have a solid year, but he hasn’t shown he can yet.  2014 Projections:  12-9/3.69/1.29/187

19. Gio Gonzalez – This is a new tier.  This tier goes into the top 40 starters for 2014 fantasy baseball.  I call this tier, “I’ll let you be my first fantasy starter if I don’t have one yet.”  To me, Gio’s a low-rent Verlander, and, yes, I’m probably the only one to ever make that comparison.  Gio’s fastball lost a bit of velocity, but it’s still 92+ MPH.  His K-rate fell a bit, but it’s still very high 8’s.  He gained a little on walk rate, but it’s still manageable.  His peripherals for next year look to be in line with Verlander’s, just a hair more on the walk rate.  The thing that really dragged him down last year was his inability to get wins, but it’s ridiculousness like celebrities watching Youtube videos in front of a studio audience to rank a guy based on wins.  Gio won 11 games last year, but 21 games the year before.  In 2014, he could win 20 or 10 or both if parallel universes do exist.  I’m still researching that.  Parallel Universe Grey, “You’re getting warmer.”  2014 Projections:  16-9/3.28/1.19/202

20. Francisco Liriano – I could sit here — and I am sitting — and tell you — and I am telling you — that I don’t fully trust Liriano because of how bad he was in 2011 and 2012, but he looked fixed last year.  It’s a modern miracle performed by Pirates pitching coach, Ray Searage with an assist by David Blaine.  David Blaine, your magic is real and I believe in you!  How is that not a meme?  Was that the greatest quote by a stoned celebrity in the last fifteen years?  Okay, top five maybe.  It sure holds up better than ‘Winning.’  So, Searage being Searage and Liriano not being sewage gets us a 9+ K-rate and a 3.50-ish walk rate.  I’ll take that.  2014 Projections:  14-9/3.24/1.25/188

  1. John says:
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    Fuck yea, was waiting for this. Thanks fellas!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @John: No problem

  2. gareth says:
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    I nodded sagely at the Cobb ranking. I Saw him live last year eliminate my indians in the playoffs. Also owned him in my fantasy league. He’s very good.

    • Prez says:
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      @gareth: Thank you for your insight, Gareth. It was greatly appreciated.

      • SteveNZ says:
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        @Prez: Don’t you ever sleep?

        • Prez says:
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          Its only 1am, New Zealander! How can one wait til morning when pitcher rankings are out?

          • SteveNZ says:
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            @Prez: Ha, too true. You young people! *looks round for slippers and ear trumpet*

  3. Matt says:
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    Forgot to ask this in OF rankings release,

    Kemp or Jose Abreu?

    5×5 dynasty competing now

    thank you

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Matt: Abreu

    • The Prince Of Soul Glo says:
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      @Matt: I like that you put Jose Abreu, you know, in case Grey thought you meant Bobby.

  4. Giant Gigantes says:
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    Funny how Rotoworld had Cliff Lee ranked #2 over Darvish…
    How would your SP strategy work with standard 5×5 but replacing K’s with k/9?
    I think last year the team that had the best pitching had 2 SPs, Scherzer and Felix, the rest of his staff was RPs

    Nice work as always

    • Simply Fred

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      @Giant Gigantes: K/9 kinda like leaners in horseshoes. They can be a good indicator of the ringer–real Ks.

      btw: the top 10 RCL teams far and away ranked highest in Ks, then ERA/WHIP, then Ws and SVs.

      • HWY68 says:
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        @simply fred:

        Hey man, just wanted to mention I’ve enjoyed your previous work on streaming pitchers. It’s a strategy that pays off — assuming owners are willing to do the work. 2014 looks like a good year for streaming.

        • Simply Fred

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          @HWY68: Thanks, sir! And, I am not really the streaming guru, just the one who outed those guys who had been winning at it but keeping it on the down-low… :-)

          Look forward to Rudy’s new revelations–really masterful insights and tools!!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Giant Gigantes: They also had Joe Mauer in the top 10 overall… I rank with K/9 full in mind…

      • Giant Gigantes says:
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        @Grey: yeah I guess what I was trying to say was with k/9 instead of K’s, should I be punting Ws, with streaming SPs likely hurting my k/9, ERA/Whip??

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Don’t look at W’s… Streaming doesn’t have to hurt your ratios…

  5. Cole H says:
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    No Hamels!?

  6. Prez says:
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    So many limbs, so little grey….

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Prez: So true!

  7. HWY68 says:
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    Thanks for the awesome work, Grey!

    In a 10 team 5×5 roto draft, where would you target Sale? 40s?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @HWY68: Sounds a little early

  8. bossmanjunior says:
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    Loving the love for Cobb. If you remember I was singing his praises last year when you had him ranked really low. Besides his awesome vulcan change up, he made great strides on his curveball last year. At one point Maddon said it was Wainwright-esque, one of the best he’s ever seen.

  9. Killing Machine says:
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    I am in a league where we get 3 keepers, we lose the pic from the round they were drafted in. I was keeping fielder rd1, Adam jones rd 3, then I was going to keep scherzer rd8… I normally would not do that with a pitcher but there is so much value there. My other choices are giancarlo 2, Kinsler 4, Choo 6… Then a whole lot of crap, sound good?

  10. Robert Eroica Dupea says:
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    As a SP glut, this list delivers. Thanks so much, I don’t think we will read this sort of truth anywhere this Jan or Feb.

    Quick question: Should I do this deal: Greinke for Rosenthal and a new Razzball T? Greinke’s been on my team for five years, but…

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    Thanks for this. In a keeper league where you can keep 10 players I am keeping Jose Fernandez. I am debating keeping a second pitcher but if I do it’s between Hamels and Bailey. Now leaning Bailey after Hamels mediocre season last year. Who should I go with?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Cabby: Seems pretty obvious with my rankings

      • Jay says:
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        @Grey: this is a prime example of skipping the content for the comment. pssssh.

        • goodfold2 says:
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          @Jay: esp the part about “could be top ten for next 5 years part”

          • Cabby says:
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            @goodfold2:

            Actually I read the whole article and was surprised Hamels wasn’t in it. This site has the best content on the web and I just wanted to generate some conversation. Obviously, Grey doesn’t see Hamels rebounding to his prior rankings. I wasn’t completely sold on Bailey but I am now. Thanks again!

  12. Jason says:
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    Sonovabitch… Now I’ll have shaggy in my head all day. Wonderful. Thanks grey. Just don’t tell me “it wasn’t me”

  13. Daveastation says:
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    Um, no Hollywood Hamels? I know he had a somewhat disappointing season last season but I must disagree strongly!

  14. TheNewGuy says:
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    When i saw top 20 starters, thoughtit would be boring old shizz, same old big names, dont draft any etc. skip….

    But then after the first couple tiers, we get to bold calls like Cobb and Bailey already, ahead of studs like Price. Shocked me. Willing to put your neck on the line with bold rankings, thats why we love you Grey!

    Youd be happy with a Cobb or Bailey/Iwakuma as the ace of your staff then?

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    This year I will be playing in a H2H (most categories) 16-team auction league ($250 budget), with 4 starting pitcher spots and 4 pitcher spots as starters. We use QS and SV+HD instead of Wins and Saves. Would you still wait that long on pitching in my situation? I’m thinking about using $75 on my pitching, thinking of getting one ace for ~$25, and maybe one from your 20-40 SP list and one from your 40-60 SP list. Last year I streamed a lot and picked up two-start pitchers at the beginning of the week. So in conclusion, I’d be drafting 3 SP’s for probably $50 total, one elite closer, three more RP’s with solid ratios that can give saves or holds to lock down SV+HD and stream the rest. Sound alright?

    • Brandon says:
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      @Brandon: From this list compared to other experts list, I could pay much less than $25 for Cobb, Teheran, Bailey, and Matt Moore.

      • tony says:
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        @Brandon: most of greys ranks are geared toward roto, you’ll get drilled in H2H with that staff…..depending on all of your stats counted, innings, etc i’d take someone better than the guys listed for my Sp crew

      • tony says:
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        @Brandon: unless they pan out huge…..

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Brandon: I’d make sure I had an ace with QSs… I’d have a $25-ish starter than a $15 then a $10…

  16. centerfield ballhawk says:
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    I’m out on Matt Moore. He hasn’t done enough to show me that he’s going to correct that walk rate. For my money I would take Bailey, Latos, Shields and even Matt Cain in that spot.

    • centerfield ballhawk says:
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      @centerfield ballhawk: And I just saw Homer Bailey’s name at 15. Reading comprehension equals fail.

    • JoeC says:
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      @centerfield ballhawk: Yeah. Kind of surprised Moore is even in the top 20. Top 50 might be too high for him.

      • Swagger Jackers says:
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        @JoeC: Totally agree. Why is Matt Moore in the top 20? He’s in a bad tier and probably should be a lot further down.

        • bossmanjunior says:
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          @<a

          As a Rays fan, I can tell you that if Moore takes a step forward with his command, he could be a top 5 pitcher. His command was horrible last year and look at the numbers he put up. Simply put, he is one of the toughest pitchers to barrel up and has three plus pitches. Often lauded for his clean repeatable mechanics, its an enigma why he has had these command wobbles. If the price is right, I would absolutely take a gamble on him.

          • Grey

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            Yeah, just needs to show better command like I said, but he hasn’t shown that yet…

  17. The Thumb says:
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    No Gerrit Cole makes me sad.. Don’t think he’ll sustain a high enough K-rate?

    • OaktownSteve says:
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      @The Thumb:

      Cole will be top 20. Nice call. I look at those 2nd half numbers, 8.92 K rate and 2.26 BB rate. Great park. Stuff. Pedigree. I predict he’ll outpitch all the sophs including Jose Fernandez.

      • Ra'zball Al Ghul says:
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        @OaktownSteve: Tristan H. Cockcroft is that you?

      • OaktownSteve says:
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        @Grey:

        That’s Karl Rove conservative, bro!

      • The Thumb says:
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        @Grey: I’d trust him over Moore and Greinke, but that’s just like my opinion, man…

        • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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          @The Thumb: not over Jofer though.

  18. Rotorankers.tumblr.com says:
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    Dynasty league with no restrictions:

    A) Trout;

    B) Harper and Kipnis; or

    C) Harper and JoFer?

    Which one and how close?

  19. The Dutch says:
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    I’m in a 12 team keeper, holding McCutchen, Sherzer and Pedroia. Been offered Bautista for Sherzer and want to do it but worried about Jose getting hurt again, worth the risk?

  20. Chris says:
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    If I’ve got Bailey, Teheran, Gio, Minor, Medlen, Corbin, Wheeler, Smyly, Archer, Gausman and Y. Ventura in ottoneu, do I need to worry about having an ‘ace?’ Seems like my front three guys are just fine with Grey.

    • Wake Up says:
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      @Chris: I’d trade Corbin if someone else likes him too much…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Chris: Your staff is fine

  21. costaricanchata says:
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    @ Grey :

    nice list ,
    but would draft gerrit cole over verlander
    and four other guys on this list …. maybe five .

  22. FMFBBL says:
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    So fired up for this but maybe it has something to do with my own BK crown.

    Talking keeper strategy, I picked up JoFer off waivers and keeping him cheap. In the past I’ve tried to have 2 studs and then go cheap and stream. Do you think pitching is deep enough that I should roll w JoFer as my ace and start grabbing guys in the later rounds like Kubler and Prcello? We play QS, not wins so I’m a little hesitant having a second yr guy anchor my rotation. Should I be? Thanks!

    • Wake Up says:
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      @FMFBBL: yep…2nd arm is more important in QS league…

      • Justin says:
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        @Wake Up: Hey wake up, I’d like you opinion if at all possible.. 12 team keeper league 6×6 H2H . We keep 7 guys. No restrictions on years or draft picks, OPS and QS are extra categories. Who would you keep out of this batch. We also have an extra infield slot.

        Taveras,Kinsler,Rizzo,Matt Adams,Yelich,A.Garcia,Starlin Castro, Granderson,Jennings,Cobb,A.Sanchez,Iwakuma.

        Right now, I am leaning toward Taveras Kinsler Rizzo Yelich Garcia Sanchez and Cobb. I have begun to think keeping Adams over Rizzo. They are close in consensus rankings and I am beginning to like the potential of Adams in St Louis, over the pukeriffic lineup in Chi Town. I appreciate your thoughts.

        • Wake Up says:
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          @Justin: I’d stick with Rizzo…esp. in an OPS league…
          I have Rizzo @ .850
          Madams @ .800

  23. Gator says:
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    In a standard 5×5 non-keeper league, who would you rather have Matt Moore or Will Myers?

    • costaricanchata says:
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      @Gator:

      myers .
      not close .

      • Swagger Jackers says:
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        @costaricanchata: Definitely not close.

  24. Fireball Feliz says:
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    I think Yu has a career year after being ticked off by how much dough that little hibachi-shit-talkin Tanaka got. 281K’s and 20 wins. He won’t be my huckleberry because i don’t draft top 10 pitchers, but whoever nabs is in for a dee-reesh-us treat of raw K’s wrapped in seaweed smothered in ramune. Get cha Pocky ready boys, its gonna be a show.

      • Fireball Feliz says:
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        @Grey:

        Prince Fielder mashin 42 homers yo! No more 1-0 losses

  25. Ben says:
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    Ah, I love the sp lists!

    6×6 league with QS and OPS as the 2 extras. I need help picking 4 keepers. We have 25 rounds, here are my top choices and the round they will cost… Thanks!

    M. Carpenter – 24
    D. Brown – 21
    H. Ryu – 17
    Y. Puig – 15
    M. Scherzer – 5
    A. Jones 3

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Ben: Puig, Scherzer, Jones, Carp

  26. Commish Cauda says:
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    You have always acknowledged Sale’s talent, but you said not to draft him last year because of the threat of impending injury.

    He didn’t get injured and had a great year as noted. I’m not criticizing…it happens. But why the love this year with no mention of the injury potential? Isn’t he still the same risk as last year?

    • LA Sound Guy says:
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      @Commish Cauda: I was thinking the same thing. Was the percentage of sliders thrown in 2013 as high as it was in 2012?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Commish Cauda: Not as much injury potential because he has another year under his belt where he threw a whole season of innings.

  27. scottsteelers says:
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    So for you. Given the option of Bailey to keep as 8th rd or Latos as 14th who would you pick? Also segura 9th rd or Machado 9th rd keep

    • scottsteelers says:
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      @scottsteelers: everyone on this list except madbum, lee, and bailey are kept… makes pitching difficult when there’s no one left from the get. Ha

  28. TheNewGuy says:
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    One thing though, if you dont like some of these guys why are you ranking them in your top 20 SPs. You still think they’ll be top 20 by end of the year? Cant see it going by your projections, which I agree with.

    Referring to particularly Moore, Grienke too.

    • Eddy says:
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      @TheNewGuy:

      Like Grey said in the Greibke blurb, Greinke still has the chance to post something way better than his projections. I’ll assume with Moore it’s about that possibility of taking another step forward.

      As he gets lower, pitchers just don’t have a high a ceiling.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @TheNewGuy: Track record, less risk, chance for more vs. chance for less…

  29. Cory says:
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    When will you release IP for these guys so we can calculate K/9 as we go?

    Was hoping you’d sneak them in this go round. Only 3 more #s to type, but oh so helpful (same w/AB).

    Love your projections & wit, as always.
    Muchas Greycias

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Cory: Thanks! IP will be in my top 400…

  30. Jim says:
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    Iron Sheik says Grey #1, rest of the ‘perts hack-ptooey!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Jim: Ha, thanks!

  31. hondo says:
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    Like I mentioned last season,I think Rizzo was holding JZimm back after the TJ.

    I’m thinking 7.5,maybe 8 K/9,but what do I know?
    Umm,damn,I don’t no anything except Domino’s has a 3 topping special for $7.99.
    Of course they suck,but I can go 2 days on one of those.

    Wait,is this a FBB site or a pizza suggestion joint?

    Yumm,joint, pizza.Maybe I do know something.

    • costaricanchata says:
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      @hondo:

      haven’t had any dominos since before those guys were busted for dealing coke .
      but , anchovies , bacon and black olive makes any pizza better .
      it’s all about the NaCl .

  32. Justin says:
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    Grey,
    Your projections of ERA/WHIP and K’s for J-Her and Sale are better than Bum. What bumps him ahead of them beyond your man-crush (not that this is a problem – I won’t judge!) Second, how early is too early to look at the latter 2 guys. 10 teams, 5 keepers, one must be a pitcher. I’ll keep Bum and have the top pick (overall #51), then obviously have picks 70 and 71. Thinking of drafting 2 SP and streaming the rest. Thanks!

    • Justin says:
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      @Justin:
      Sorry, J-Fer …

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Justin: More risk vs. less risk

      • Justin says:
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        @Grey:

        And is 70/71 too soon to be looking J-Fer/Sale if they are on the board? What about Latos?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Not too soon for those guys… What about Latos?

        • Swagger Jackers says:
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          @Justin: Do a couple mocks and you’ll see J-Fer/Sale will not be available in the 70’s. You’ll be lucky if they fall into the mid 50’s in most leagues.

          • goodfold2 says:
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            @Swagger Jackers: Sale didn’t even fall that low in most of my leagues last year. that just before where i got my ace (in 16 teamer last year, scherzer)

  33. Wake Up says:
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    …and simple meth math tells me that my friend down at the pub can only eat 17 more apples…

  34. Gonzo_The_Great says:
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    Man Grey I thought I had my keepers all figured out and you just threw such a wrench into it. 12 Team H2H league.

    Can keep 3 of the following for draft picks:

    Carlos Gomez (7th Round)
    Wil Myers (9th Round)
    Julio Teheran (11th Round)
    Jedd Gyorko (12th Round)
    Alex Cobb (14th Round)

    Can keep 1 of the following without giving up a draft pick:

    Tony Cingrani
    Gerrit Cole
    Corey Kluber
    Drew Smyly
    Zack Wheeler

      • Gonzo_The_Great says:
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        @Grey:

        Thanks sir, your mustache is so luxurious.

        Thinking I might try to trade away some of those others listed, especially Teheran who seems like a steal of knocking over Fort Knox life proportions in the 11th.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Ha, no problem

  35. mindicohn says:
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    Barf on Teheran. I just traded him and Cano for Segura in keeper. Teheran was $7 and Cano was $30. segura is $7. Granted, I was planning on keeping Price,Anibal and Cole over Teheran.

    • Dr Hocker says:
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      @mindicohn: Wow–I have Segura in my keeper league too–but I think your lunch money got heisted in that trade. but I hope you’re right on Segura’s value and wrong on the sheik.

      • mindicohn says:
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        @Dr Hocker: well I proposed it so its a self beating …I wanted to lose some salary…Cano scares me a bit, but whatevs. Fleece some, get fleeced by others.

        • Wake Up says:
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          @mindicohn: I’d prefer the 3 arms you mentioned over Teheran…

          • Jay says:
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            @Wake Up: there’s something I enjoy about the thought of Teheran getting…”bombed”

            “MERICA

            • Wake Up says:
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              @Jay: haha

  36. Seth says:
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    Should I trade Cespedes or Marte for Cobb??? I’ve got Choo, Gomez, and then which ever of the duo I don’t try and trade. h2h dynasty, 12 team league. Thanks!

    • costaricanchata says:
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      @Seth:

      starling marte ??

      trade choo .

      • Seth says:
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        @costaricanchata:
        For Cobb? Straight up? Idk if I like cobb that much!

        • costaricanchata says:
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          @Seth:

          dynasty , dude .
          will you feel the same apprehension 3 years from now ,
          when choo is pushing 35 ?

          • costaricanchata says:
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            @costaricanchata:

            of course , if cobb gets hit by lightening
            (or dr. freeze) ,
            it’ll now be entirely my fault .
            but , i’ll take those chances .

  37. Mad About Bum says:
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    Thanks for all the rankings, Grey!

    Keeper league, trying to decide between Joey Bats and Madison Bumgarner as a keeper. Already keeping 4 other bats. Your rankings and philosophies would say keep Bautista, but one could say that he’s only getting older while Bumgarner still is young with room to improve. Thoughts?

  38. Ralph Lifshitz

    Ralph Lifshitz says:
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    Here’s my one and only keeper question of the year. I have two keepers who do I keep 1. (5) Andrew McCutchen , 3. (29) Evan Longoria, 4. (44) Paul Goldschmidt, 5. (53) Zack Greinke , 7. (77) Max Scherzer , 8. (92) Shin-Soo Choo, 12. (140) Jeff Samardzija ,21. (245) Hyun-jin Ryu,
    23. (269) Shelby Miller

    I figure it has to be Au Shizz in the 4th and Scherzer in the 7th no? I’ll be back with more fridge leftover keeper and past their prime cougar sex keeper questions tomorrow!

  39. Love that Teheran ranking!! I love Teheran so much that UN inspectors are currently searching my apartment for stashed enriched uranium.

    With his stuff? In that division? Even if he misses, he can’t miss.

    Side note: would Omar Little switch teams for La La Anthony? Cust Sayin’

    Boy do I miss The Wire.

  40. Todd25 says:
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    Okay Gray, jumping the gun a little here…
    What can we expect from David Phelps and Jeremy Hefner slash who has more upside slash who would you prefer to hold onto for a rebound. In super deep keeper league (24 teams) and am able to trade one for Kole Calhoun. who to ditch?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Todd25: Neither…Trade Hefner…

      • goodfold2 says:
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        @Grey: good luck with getting calhoun for one of those (i’m being serious here, i really do hope anybody is able to make that trade)

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yeah

  41. Terrence Mann says:
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    Rudy, while editing this IMs Grey:

    Rudy: Dude, get off the cougar or turn off Long Island Housewives now

    Grey: Actually, both were happening

    Rudy: If you’re not taking one of the first 19 starters, I’m not letting you draft any of our joint teams.

    Grey: Relax, dude. If one of the top guys falls, we’ll grab him. Otherwise, we’ll start with Gio, then grab Cole, Cain, Wacha, or Minor in the next round. After that, we’ll just use your pitching machine that nobody but you understands to run our pitching the rest of the season, OK, Mr. Peabody?

    Rudy: OK, Sherman. I’m still not letting you draft any of our teams by yourself.

    Side note. Take a look at our exchange last week regarding Dexter Fowler and then look at the Howard Bender piece about Springer yesterday. Hehe.

  42. Wake Up says:
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    Re: Wainwright and MadBum…HA!

      • Wake Up says:
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        @Grey: Really like what you said about Cobb, too!

        re: Moore…*I take that “has” a bad sign?

        breath freshly baited…

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Ha… Yup…

  43. KrazyCeltic says:
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    I’m interested to see where Francisco Liriano lands in the SP rankings.

  44. tony says:
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    Grey & razzNation:

    Large keeper league: I was fortunate to own Harvey last year, I have him at $20, would you keep him knowing you’re going to get nothing from him this year OR try and package him for some picks OR throw him back and redraft him for HOPEFULLY cheaper?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @tony: I wouldn’t keep him

  45. Wake Up says:
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    Here’s what I wrote about Sale in Oct…

    “…The whole inside of the bathroom is mirrored, in fact. I like to watch myself, watching myself brush, and I need to keep the bottoms of my feet extremely clean, Dr. Phil’s orders. Dr. Freeze doesn’t give orders, he places them. “That one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, annnnnd 400 of those.” That’s him after looking at an extreme close-up of Sale’s elbow. The Marlins are constantly throwing a Fire Sale, Dr. Freeze is in a perpetual state of Chris Sale. “Oh, and I also need one of those things…that comes from way far away…that there isn’t any left of…tomorrow morning!” He hasn’t quite paid “that thing” off yet, because Sale has managed to make it through another season, pitching like a giraffe runs. The mirrors also help me see things from a different angle, at times. Sometimes it’s crazy, sometimes it’s the bottom of the nuts…”

    • OaktownSteve says:
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      @Wake Up:

      “pitching like a giraffe runs”

      one of the best lines in the history of razz commentary.

  46. Tom says:
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    Grey just curious but if Harvey didnt get injured where would you rank him.

    • Wake Up says:
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      @Tom: not sure if this is a joke but he says this above…

      • Tom says:
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        @Wake Up: That it does. My apologies.

  47. OaktownSteve says:
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    Don’t like Iwakuma this year. Loved him last year. Not that I don’t respect the talent but there are a couple of things. 7.5 is his K/9 ceiling and sub 7 is possibility. Even if he maintains his rates, hard for him to be top 20. FIP says regression. Track record says he’ll outpitch his FIP but even if he regresses somewhere in the middle it’s a step back. I watched him a lot last year. Spider sense says still good but not top 20.

    Regarding Cobb, we talked about it a few weeks ago. Probably the best target in the pitcher pool. Numbers aside, Torii Hunter called his change up a Bugs Bunny pitch. Bob Melvin said he’s the toughest pitcher to try to out think in the league. Read what guys who face him say.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @OaktownSteve: Sweet on Cobb…. I hear ya on Iwakuma, and he has the worst K/9 of my top twenty which isn’t a good distinction, but I could find as much fault with his peripherals as I thought I might…

  48. Jon says:
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    I thought maybe Zimmermann could crack the top 20, but there are so many quality arms this year! Is he close? Would think he’s not too far behind Gio.

    Random musing: I’ve taken the off-season strategy in my keeper league of trading basically any arm I can for quality bats because I’m positive with your good advice that I can put together a fresh pitching staff, even though we go 10 deep. Thanks, oh wise Grey!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Jon: No problem… Zimm’s close…

    • Blue says:
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      @Jon: I had Zimm last year and I was always a bit nervous with him.

  49. Lily says:
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    Grey thanks for great in depth coverage. When you reference King Felix you advise to look at K rate and walk rate. Is this K per 9 and BB per 9??? …. sorry I know I should know this already

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Lily: It is, yeah…

  50. Johan Barleycorn says:
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    Grey,

    I’m in a 10 team 6×6 H2H league with 5 keepers. I’m keeping five good hitters and no pitchers. At this point, would you consider drafting a pitcher in the first round of the draft even if he was in a tier you identified as one you would not touch? An Adam Wainwright or Cliff Lee, for example, as long as the value of the hitters available were about equal.

  51. Shibboleth says:
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    Thanks as always, Grey! I’m keeping Sanchez (16) Cingrani or Wacha (20) and Cole (29) so I feel I have a decent SP foundation. With those 3 guys kept so late, where would you recommend I take my next SP– would waiting until your top 41-60 be too late?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Shibboleth: Later than that prolly… How many teams?

    • Shibboleth says:
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      @Shibboleth: just remembered you’ll probably address this in your pairings post. Damn you, passage of time, I want to know it all now!

      • Shibboleth says:
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        @Shibboleth: 12 teams, 29 rounds. QS instead of wins!

  52. CP says:
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    Hey Grey, thanks for this, been waiting for when I’d see your top 20 SPs.

    Got an interesting offer in my 16-team dynasty league, my Billy Hamilton, Tyler Skaggs & Jarred Cosart for his Wainwright. Trying to go for it this year, do I bite?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’d take Wainwright

  53. Sad Keanu says:
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    You told me to keep Liriano at $5 over Moore at $4 in an auction league yet you are ranking Moore higher? I hope Liriano is ranked at #21.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      He is, Cool Breeze…

  54. Sky

    Sky says:
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    I’m glad to see my beaned sleeper from last year Alex Cobb getting some love this year. My only concern with him would be the K-rate to get that 189 unless we’re thinking around 210-220 innings. Unless his profile slips a bit, he’s very much willing to take the GB out. Either way…SIMPSONS DID IT! –

    http://razzball.com/discount-double-check-alex-cobb/

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I have him down for 196 IP and a small jump in K-rate

      • Sky

        Sky says:
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        Interesting. I guess he is still young enough for that to transpire. I’m with ya on his ranking regardless.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Cool

  55. Johan Barleycorn says:
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    By the way, if you guys put together some sort of spreadsheet broken down by position, ranking, projections, 3-year average etc…, I’d pay you for it.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      There will be a top 400 sortable like our player rater…

  56. Eric W says:
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    I remember being a freshman in college the year that Cliff lee broke out, back then I would have bet everything I owned (about 10 dollars worth of Ramen and an old laptop that was riddled with viruses due to excess porn) that he would never break a sub 4 ERA again and 6 years later he is still a top 10 starter….

    Thanks for the rankings!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      No problem

  57. Michael says:
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    Does Teixera drop in your rankings after this mornings news

    “Mark Teixeira told Daniel Barbarisi of the Wall Street Journal that he expects to feel some tightness in his surgically-repaired wrist until at least June and possibly through the whole season.”

    Keep 2 of 3 – Teixera, Granderson and Hart

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      How much more can I drop him? He’s ranked around 200 overall already…

  58. KevinB says:
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    Thanks for the information Grey!

    Do you have an idea when APPLES will be ready?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      It’s a question for Awesomus, who I haven’t heard from in a while… Someone else might want to step up and do it this year…

  59. Bream Dream says:
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    Compliment.. Joke… 20 team 4minor 4 major keepers. H2H (roto/cat) based. Most cat. W instead of qs. I keep Bautista A Jones Goldy Choo Baez Bubba Buxton. I’ve never played this format before. What types of players should I target? 3 sp 4 rp 1 ut 3 of. Weekly lineup. I pick 19th in a snake. The last winner has no offense. He had 4 good 8th inning guys. 1 good closer. Should i keep an elite closer over any of the afore mentioned guys?

    • Grey

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      Depends who the elite closer you could keep is… Don’t see why you’re playing for 2016 with your keepers…

      • Bream Dream says:
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        @Grey:
        holland. It’s 4 minor and 4 major keepers. Those are the only minor players i have.

        • Grey

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          Oh, gotcha… You’re not keeping Holland over any of those guys you have…

          • Bream Dream says:
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            @Grey:
            thanks. Do I target rp over sp in the draft or are sp more important? I am lost on the stratagy for a league like this. I wish I knew you in real life. Swoon.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Haha… What are your categories? Straight 5×5?

              • Bream Dream says:
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                @<a href="#comment-2@Grey: 130293″>Grey:
                I’ll leave you alone. I’m over thinking it. Looking at the past winners team has thrown me for a loop. I need to do what I always do.. Read your post and dominate all my leagues.(except this one league fulll of Canadians 17 keepers). Keep fighting the good fight.

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Yup, we’ll get you there!

  60. Jay says:
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    Grey -is the site going to have the (forgive me but I don;t recall the formal name for it it but…)the tool that gives you a list of pitchers to draft based on the last pitcher your drafted?

    it gave you the top tier guys and then you’d click on one and a list of the next pitchers you should target….hopefully I’m making some sort of sense here.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, it should if someone else makes it up… I don’t make that, a commenter does…

      • goodfold2 says:
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        @Grey: it’s just a pitcher pairings shortcut tool. you can write it down on paper if that doesn’t get made. i added it to an ADP cheat sheet last year i made.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yeah, I don’t do it, so not sure…

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      So we now know your real name is Brad Johnson…nice to meet you OaktownSteve (which is clearly your middle name).

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Wow… Did you originally post your comment on Fangraphs?

      • OaktownSteve says:
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        @Grey:

        not sure where I posted it.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Pretty weird that it just showed up there… I call BS…

          • OaktownSteve says:
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            @Grey:

            It’s plausible that he came up with the idea on his own. It’s a pretty logical leap if you’re familiar with the concept. But we can certainly go with…Razzball had it first.

            • OaktownSteve says:
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              @OaktownSteve:

              except in this case, second! Ha…forgot about that. Usually you get all my A material, Albright. Razz is tops.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Yup…After someone else had it before us… About right, I guess…

    • Count de Monetball says:
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      @OaktownSteve: Nice OTS!

    • Wake Up says:
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      @OaktownSteve: If I even sniff a Brandon Moss post from Eno…

  61. The Wickler says:
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    In a dynasty keeper league so need to balance current production with ability to perform in future (no cost factor). Which 2 pitchers would you keep of:

    Cliff Lee
    Alex Cobb
    Gerrit Cole
    Greinke

    Was leaning Lee and Cole but this has me tempted by Cobb.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Cole, Cobb

  62. dude says:
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    What kind of bat should I expect in return for;

    Scherzer

    Anibal

    Gio

    I also have Zimmerman, Ryu, and Gray and need to trade someone to upgrade my hitting.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Top five at a position

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      The uploader is scary

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Grey: is that a knock on the new avi?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          New avatar is badass

          • J-FOH says:
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            @Grey: it’s inspired by Daft Punk winning a Grammy, which was the song you turned us all on to first and me rubbing in the great weather we get to live in here

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Did I? Nice…Don’t remember that…

              • J-FOH says:
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                @Grey: @Grey: you had that one out on blast very fast. It made the crappiness of some my teams more bearable this past summer

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Ah…Cool…

  63. Zach says:
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    Hey Grey! Quick question for you. I’m in a 12 team H2H league where we keep 11 guys (we’re expanding slowly from 10 to 12). We use a combination of traditional categories and more SABRE friendly rate stats (AVG/OBP/SLG and ERA/WHIP/K9/KBB) for both pitchers and hitters–12 x 12 in all, kind of a monster, won’t bore you with the other details.

    Right now, I’m sure I’m keeping these guys: Santana, Davis, Desmond, Jones, Stanton, Price, Bailey, Minor, Kimbrel, Jansen. For the last spot, it comes down to these options: Cespedes, Arenado, Burnett, Gausman. Any advice?

    Really appreciate your insights and your writing style. Keep up the good work.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Cespedes…Thanks!

      • Zach says:
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        @Grey: Ha! Apparently not. So you still see Cespedes having upside beyond what he did in 2012, even if the BA falls? I’m a little afraid he’s a one-trick pony who still thinks he’s in the derby when real games resume.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yup

    • Zach says:
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      @Zach: Hmm, just read your Arenado fantasy…maybe that answered my question?

  64. Drew says:
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    Grey-

    Smokey still doing MRs/holds this year? Will you touch on these guys with your closers list?

    Thanks

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yup… On Feb 1st, I believe

  65. anthony says:
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    @grey: thanks for this. where do you put tanaka ???

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I will rank him

  66. papasmurf says:
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    Well, I had the Analball and Sale in 2012, kept neither. Then last summer I accepted a trade offer of Longo and Harvey for Goldy less than a week before Harvey went down. Harvey literally did not throw one pitch for my team.

    So that leaves me with the Shark as my top SP going into this year… oh jay this side of sis.

    I am just hoping some of the lesser names on your top 20 list is available cuz at least I have a fairly high pick this year.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ah, the luck of the Smurf… Damn…

      • Carnac says:
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        Did I tell you I met up with papasmurf in real life? Not at all surprised to discover it’s William H. Macy.

        • OaktownSteve says:
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          @Carnac:

          Hey Carnac, do you play RCL? If yes do you have a league that you play in every year?

          • Carnac says:
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            Actually never played in RCL…

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          HAHA

  67. Richie says:
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    @cp. Cosart and Skaggs a few years away from being considered consistent starts. Waino is an ace. This is a no brainer.

    Grey that’s a great Stacie.

    • OaktownSteve says:
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      @Richie:

      Cosart I like the stuff but the peripherals on that guy are horrifying. Seriously. Worth keeping an eye on because the cutter is a legit cannonball.

  68. Richie says:
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    12team keeper, 23man roster 200cap. Dealt Simmons 9 and Animal 7 for Sale 18. Gives me top 3 of Félix 33 Adverb 28 and Sale. ERA dominant league

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Cool

  69. Bodacious Taters says:
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    Great stuff Grey, I admire you from outside the box. Cobb @ $5, Scherzer @ $24, or M.Carpenter @ $5 ??

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks! Cobb

  70. John says:
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    Grey…in a keeper league I’ve been offered the following trade:

    I give up Mike Trout in return for Encarnacion, McCann, and Profar. It seems to make sense to make the trade but I feel like I’m trading Babe Ruth! Help!

    • OaktownSteve says:
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      @John:

      Almost nothing you trade Trout for, including the above

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Don’t make that trade

      • costaricanchata says:
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        @Grey:

        i offered cano and price .

  71. Lincecuminmypants says:
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    In a keeper H2H league with Ws, ERA, WHIP, Ks and Saves+Holds, is it completely crazy to field a pitching staff of all closers and middle relievers? I have some great young, low-cost keepers like Cole and Tehran, but always appreciate a good strategy, especially if trading them gets me more offense. Thoughts?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Not completely crazy, but I wouldn’t… Go with a regular pitching staff…

      • Lincecuminmypants says:
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        @Grey: @Grey: @Grey: Thanks. I’m curious about why. Too gimmicky? Too much risk? With S+H, I feel like the pool is wide open to cherry picking. With daily changes, I could focus on winning 3/5 cats (S+H, ERA, WHIP) and if it’s up for grabs, stream starters for Ws and more Ks. I may be overthinking my strategerizin’ here.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Too much risk, yeah… Plus you already have great starters…

  72. Mike says:
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    Love the top 20 Grey except for one beef.. Jo-Fer too low.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks! I hear ya… Next year he could be top 3…

      • Al lydon says:
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        @J-FOH@Grey: I like the way your thinking outside the box. It’s a nice fresh approach. I agree on everyone but, Tehran. I think Latos deserves the spot, but this year is so deep in SP’s . Last 2 year’s was a bonanza for young stud SP’s. Looking forward to a few surprises in the next 20.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha, nice… Thanks!

  73. Jesse says:
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    How close is S. Gray to 20?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      You’ll see

  74. Jon says:
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    If a healthy Harvey would be top 3 this year, assuming he doesn’t pitch any innings in 2014 but progresses normally otherwise, how high do you think you’ll put him in ’15? (Or too hard to predict?)

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Probably around 30

  75. Wes Gardner says:
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    Grey- I love ya, ya filthy bastard. Good stuff. I say Danny Salazar is the new Cobb. Am I wrong? Most ‘sperts like Kluber better, but I like Waiting For Salazar. Thought. Hi to the MILF!

  76. Nate says:
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    Hey Grey, great work as always. I relied pretty heavy on your pitching rankings last year and you didn’t disappoint (Matt Harveys shoulder did… but you did not).

    This year I’m adding in a highly competitive H2H league with some buddies (14 team) who take fantasy very seriously, so needless to say, ego is on the line.

    How should I adjust pitching strategy (I follow your general “no aces, stream + draft high K value guys) when moving from roto to H2H?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I wouldn’t change much… Bit less emphasis on high-end starters…

  77. West Brooklyn says:
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    H2H 12 keeper dynasty league w/ actual player salaries. Debating last keeper between Starlin Castro, Masterson, Weaver and Ortiz. Keepers thus far….

    Votto
    Pedroia
    Longo
    AJones
    Marte
    Cobb
    Cole
    Lynn (required keep)
    GHolland
    CMartinez, Correa (required minor league keepers)

    Thanks

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Castro

  78. Matt says:
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    Hey Grey, so I’m trying to decide on what 2 rookies I should keep from last year. I’m in. A H2H 16 team keeper league. I have to pick from profar, salazar, taillon, and sano. I’m already keeping bumgarner, matt moore and j zimmerman. I’m leaning towards profar and Salazar cause I have a good chance at winning next year, but sano and taillon in my opinion have the most upside long term. Your thoughts?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Profar, Salazar

  79. gareth says:
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    Starting pitching is deeper than Madonna’s vajayjay.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Haha

  80. gareth says:
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    My dream this year is for my pitching staff to sound like a grocery store ad: Sale Price Cobb Appel.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha!

  81. Juan Lucky Pierre says:
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    Grey – who among the top 20 do you see as biggest injury risks?

    F-Her really F’d-me late last season with his recurring back issues. Also, what about an innings cap for J-Fer?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      No innings cap…. Anyone can get hurt, none stand out more than others…

  82. claw dog says:
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    Hey Grey,

    My keepers are looking like this in a 12 team 5×5 H2H with 8 keepers

    1. Giancarlo Stanton
    2. Adam Jones
    3. Freddie Freeman
    4. Max Scherzer
    5. Alex Cobb
    6. Jose Altuve
    7. Alex Gordon
    8. Josh Donaldson
    with Zach wheeler as my minor league keeper.

    I have the first pick in my draft this year which is equivalent to the first pick in the 9th round and I was wondering what position you think I should target. I’m definitely considering pitching cuz Anibal Sanchez, Iwakuma, and Bailey are all available for me to pick. Any insight on what I should do here?

    Thanks as always grey for the great write up

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks! Not sure what your team set up looks like but maybe a shortstop…

      • claw dog says:
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        @Grey: We do C 1B 2B 3B SS 3OF 2UTIL 3SP 2RP 3P. The top shortstops available are Everth Elvis and probably JJ if I’m just looking for homers. Would you pick those over one of the top starters I listed?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          I’d go Andrus…

  83. goodfold2 says:
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    due to youse guys had scherzer as ace in 16 teamer last 2 years (you said you were low on him last year, i thought it was high?, got him in 5th round of 16 teamer) and bailey in every league i drafted last 2 years. cobb 2 years ago when he first came up. Looks like Bailey and/or Cobb will take Scherzer ‘s place. Likely be able to get one of them and maybe Teheran in 16 teamer (h2h). If Bailey’s ranked this high i’ll probably have all three or at least 2 of those guys in shallower leagues. Had Cole pretty much everywhere too, hoping I can get him again, but some might be higher on him to the point we’re he’s too early.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Cool

  84. MasterofGrond says:
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    Couple comments:

    First, streaming works great until it doesn’t and costs you a sweet jacket. Not going to dig up my streaming numbers from last year because I don’t want to puke. Still going to stream at roughly the same level I always do this year, though.

    Rather disappointed I probably won’t own Bumgarner this year since I’ve owned him basically everywhere for the past 3. Hard to argue with those skills and that park, wins be damned. Then again, on WAY too early ADPs he’s looking to be mid 50s again, which is where I took him last year and where I’d definitely take him again if available. One of these seasons he’s gonna get lucky on wins and be 2013 Scherzer.

    I’m going to own Bailey everywhere again probably and I am 100% ok with this.

    Finally, I hope you spent that book money I sent you on some celebration daiquiris after you top tier ranking performance in 2013.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, I hear ya on streaming, it can get hairy… Ha, thanks!

  85. gareth says:
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    Now that AJ Burnett has declared himself an open minded free agent, there are now 4 viable starting pitchers still out there who could make a real difference on a team in 2014.

    Burnett, Jimenez, Santana, Arroyo.

    What are your destination predictions for them, and how would you rank them in order of the guys you’d prefer to have?

    • goodfold2 says:
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      @gareth: answering that first question would be guesswork at this point, and by the time’s it’s not guesswork it already happened. Unless you are asking which teams actually need starters, which is answerable. i would almost guarantee one of them ends up on CUBS though, since arrieta and rusin sure shouldn’t be starters anywhere. i’m sure CUBS fans are clamoring for both of those guys to be replaced by any of those 4.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’ll rank them in the rankings…

  86. Jon says:
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    Question for anybody: If you were starting a new league from scratch, something that should be fun for years to come with the right owners, what scoring/keeper rules/draft set up/hosting site would you use? Any tips for a new commissioner? Thanks!

    • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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      @Jon: yahoo has all sorts of problems (don’t join yahoo); i know in football fantasy nfl.com is actually free, so 10% of your money doesn’t just evaporate into non-prizepool pockets. don’t know if any baseball site is free. Fantrax is great for dynasties.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Roto, single league, five keepers, 10 teams…

    • Tuffsnake says:
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      @Jon: @Jon:

      CBS.sports is a good one….and I love H2H points. Pitchers are king there.

  87. gareth says:
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    By the way grey,

    Thanks for ranking Burnett so high last year. He was still around pretty late in my draft last year so I nabbed him. His first half was amazing, although he seemed to fade in the second half. Is this fade and his age a concern for this year, or do you think he’ll be fine in 2014 (depending on where he lands)?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      No problem… I have him ranked, you’ll see…

  88. BTD says:
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    Did you do a re-think on the Sale thought? If I recall correctly, last year you warned on Sale’s frame being a health concern.

    Glad to see you high on Teheran too! I think he takes another step forward this year. Live arm, he’s had to work for it, NL, good park, solid offense…

    And would love to see Gio slip a bit myself. He’s a safe stud.

    • goodfold2 says:
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      @BTD: in comments above that Sale point remarked upon, basically the fact that he’d now shown he can take a whole year of innings with no concerns ups the confidence level.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Sale was coming off a year when he pitched a lot after not pitching much…Now that’s not a concern…

  89. Raftman says:
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    Just traded Price/Kennedy for Minor/Taveras in a 12 Team H2H Keeper League…. thoughts?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Sounds solid…

      • Raftman says:
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        @Grey: You don’t know how much your approval makes me happy.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Ha, glad to help

  90. costaricanchata says:
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    @ Grey :

    i’ve got a sleeper
    15 cents
    looks like a monkey
    sitting on a fence .

    but, am gonna wait until you post your top 100 ,
    ‘cuz , knowing you , he won’t escape your glare
    and you’ll prolly tell the whole world to take a flier on him this year .

    hurry up , already !

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha, okie…

  91. Ralph Lifshitz

    Ralph Lifshitz says:
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    This may have already been asked but when are you starting registration for RCL’s?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      ESPN isn’t even open yet

      • Ralph Lifshitz

        Ralph Lifshitz says:
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        @Grey: Jeez Grey, SORRY! haha, I’m just excited and I saw that yahoo starts today! Our over the internet friendship is on the rocks

  92. Matt says:
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    Best SP ever = Matt Moore’s best skills combined with Teheran’s?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Huh?

      • bossmanjunior says:
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        @Grey:

        Maybe he means Moore’s stuff combined with Teheran’s command would make one hell of a pitcher?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          That would be true

          • Matt says:
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            @Grey: Or would he just be jose fernandez?

      • Matt says:
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        @Grey: Matt Moore with julio’s command and control would be a stud

  93. Don Ready says:
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    Decisions, decisions…

    T1: Madbum, Trumbo
    T2: Beltran, Hosmer, Pence, Medlen, Lynn, Estrada
    T3: Desmond, Cobb, Anibal
    T4: Carpenter, Eaton, Marte, Shelby, Wood

    Thoughts on keepers? One from each Tier. Each year keeps move up (down) a tier – tiers based on round in which player was drafted or tier from previous year. Previous T1s go back to player pool.

    10 team 6×6 H2H (R, HR, RBI, SB, AVG, OPS – W, SV, QS, K, ERA, WHIP)

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Bum, Hosmer, Desmond, Marte

      • Don Ready says:
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        @Grey: Thanks! Don’t know how you have the time to respond to all of us Creatons, but it’s appreciated. Insights are spot on and writing is GOLD!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Thanks!

  94. Tigres says:
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    I was gonna ask if I could draft Gio as my #1 – and then I read the name of the tier he’s in. Thanks for keeping it simple. Love the SP rankings, it’s my fave part of January.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      No problem

  95. James says:
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    with so many young arms there, i am a little surpised not to see Shelby Miller on that list. The Whip was a touch high, but everything else looks good. He also lost steam late in the year, but at his age most SP are limited to only 160-180 innings (he threw 173). Am i crazy expecting similar numbers next year with a slight uptick in innings (190-200)

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’ll go over him tomorrow

      • James says:
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        @Grey:

        So I was not far off on where i was thinking about him (i would have put cobb, moore, tehran, miller and cole on the same tier as young with elite upside needing another step).

        My other question, I should have room to keep 1 or 2 of the following SP (dynasty league, but my 30 man roster is at the upper limit already); who would you choose;
        Gallardo
        Neise
        Kazmir
        Miguel Gonzalez
        Cahill

        AS a note, with 30 man rosters (i currently have 34, and only have 1 easy cut; cook; before the start of the season), it is hard to stream, so I have to carry lots of SP (most teams carry 8-12, so really 120 are owned at any given time). My rotation currently has: Bailey, Jose Fernandez, Yu Darvish, Bumgarner, and Zimmerman. So i need to keep 1 and hopefully either trade for another or draft an upgrade.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          None of them…Kazmir

  96. Matthew says:
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    GREY!!!

    What’s up!! New year, pumped!! Right around the corner.

    So, so you like Eovaldi?

    Also, you think Cain’s one bad year has him done? Is he worth a late pick? Just trying to see who I will target in the SP area.

    • James says:
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      @Matthew:

      Depends on where Cain goes, i have heard that in mocks he goes around pick 100-110. At that point i may be in. He finished strong and his advanced metrics look solid.

      Eovaldi has solid speed, but has looked overwhelmed at a lot of points in the show. As a dodger i liked him more (pitchers park, good team around him), but still i may take a last round flyer on him in a deeper league

      • Matthew says:
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        @James: Right on bud. Thanks.

        I think I’m gonna take Cain in at least 1 league hoping it works out haha.

        I usually go 1 pitcher by RD 5. Last year Mad Bum was my guy, this year it will probably be Jose Fernandez.

        Great year coming up!!

        • James says:
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          @Matthew:

          JoFer will go well before the 5th.

          Based on what Grey is saying, I would be targeting Cobb, Iwakuma, or Baily sometime after the 5th (you may be able to nab all 3 in the 7-10 range). I do not play any redraft leagues, in a dynasty i can afford to overpay for pitching since most of the guys i get are miles away, but having Jofer in 1 league (of 3) will pay dividends for years.

          • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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            @James: in a dynasty wouldn’t all of these people be owned already? (unless you mean a dynasty that drafts for the first time this year) i’m betting cain gets drafted ahead of quite a few of grey’s top 20 (cobb/bailey/teheran) which is fine so i’ll probably target all of those in under 15 teamers.

  97. Jon says:
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    I’m looking to add an infielder with upside in a keep forever league and I’m going to try for Gyorko or Arenado, specifically. Which SP would you offer (H2H 5×5)? Cobb, Bailey, Zimmermann, Medlen, Cashner… what seems fair?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Cashner, Medlen

  98. Max Wolfman says:
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    Wow. Your top 20 SP matched very closely to mine. I had 3 in that you didn’t have, Zimmerman, Masterson, and Hamels. I had these three ahead of Gio, Teheran, and Cobb. Why is there no love for Masterson? 58% GB, 9K/9IP. 3.5 Walks isn’t great, but better than Gio.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’ll go over Masterson tomorrow

  99. Last Chance says:
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    Greetings,

    Superb work once again… Perhaps even my favorite post to date.

    I have Moore in the 9th round with three 9th round picks
    and Bailey in the 12th

    I dont need to draft another pitcher til the 19th-20th round :)
    Or perhaps none at all :)
    (Proceeds to hang Grey ‘Streamers’ all over the house)
    I hope you saw what I did there.

    Cheers

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha…Thanks!

  100. Dave Falk says:
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    Grey,
    I know you will never draft a top pitcher, but my keeper league allows only 12 moves in a season (streaming out of the question) and it is a points based league (values given for innings pitched, K’s, wins … negative points for hits and runs allowed) .. With my style of league, should i actually target a top 5 arm?

    thanks

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’d target a top ten at least, top five could work too…

  101. Bill Lumbergh says:
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    Contemplating a trade centered around my Latos for his Bumgarner in my 12 team keeper league. Where is Latos going to fall in your top SP rankings? Thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Obviously way after Bumgarner…

      • Bill Lumbergh says:
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        @Grey: Without revealing too much, in the 20s, 30s, 40s??? Thx!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          You’ll find out in a few hours

          • Bill Lumbergh says:
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            @Grey: ;-)

          • Prez says:
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            @Grey: i cant wait! No, me!

  102. Chris says:
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    Nice list! Hey I have a catcher question. I know you like to punt the position but this year if I could get Santana or Mauer for around $12 and putting them at the catcher position do you think that’s a good logical move? There obviously not going to catch much if at all.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Nope

      • Chris says:
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        thanks you sure don’t pussy foot around! Luv it!

  103. Miles says:
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    Grey, where have you been all my life? I just discovered you this month and I love your writing.
    I thought of you when I read rotoword’s top 10 for 2014 that included Mauer, Santana and Kershaw.
    In my draft prep I was thinking of just focusing on AVG/HR/St and assuming RBI/R would naturally follow. thoughts?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Where have you been!? I focus mostly on HRs and steals… The rest is up to lineup and luck…

  104. ACC says:
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    Grey great rankings…any chance we could get link to any of your expert mock drafts you have participated in ???

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I think Funston’s gonna write about it soon… I gotta pump through rankings right now, maybe I’ll write about it in a couple of weeks…

  105. Matt says:
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    I read another site saying bumgarner can uproot Kershaw as best SP in game. You agree?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      He would need to win 24 games… He doesn’t have the Ks…

  106. Yeah, but... says:
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    Message received about not drafting pitchers early, but I have what feels like a close call. Would you keep Darvish if he cost a 3rd round pick in a roto league?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      No idea of your options

  107. matt says:
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    Slurp Slurp…Finally 20 players to give mild erectile dysfunction

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha

  108. brent says:
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    Grey, which fantasy baseballer magazine do you like? It’s tricky shitting with my laptop on my lap……

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      You don’t have a mobile phone? I don’t read any of the magazines… Usually I write the pitcher profiles for Lindy’s, but I was getting married this year around the time I would write them…

      • brent says:
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        @Grey: Hahaha, of course. Congrats on the wedding.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Thanks!

  109. Rob says:
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    Need advice Grey: 10 team NL only 4×4 standard roto, $280 for 15/10 players each. 5 keepers only: Jose Fernandez-3, s. Marshall -1, Niese -5, K. Jansen -10, Hundley 1. As thy are not great keepers do I trade Jose F (new Doc Gooden) at $3 for three keepers (Eric young at $1, M. Carpenter at $9 and Puig at $26) or stick with my five guys? Thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Stick with what you have for now, but try to find a different trade because your keepers aren’t good as is…

  110. Joe says:
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    In a 5×5 Roto keeper league with a +1 format for keepers. Its NFBC format (2C, MI, CI, UTL) would like to get some feed back on who I should keep and if I should pull a trade. I can only keep 5

    Current Keepers
    Votto- rd 4 (No brainer)
    Scherzer- rd 11 ( No brainer)
    Josh Donaldson- rd 13
    Gyorko- rd 20
    Teheran- rd 21
    Carpenter- rd 14

    Potential Trade I was offered
    Teheran and Donaldson
    for
    A. Jones rd 2
    Matt Adams rd 14

    I also have the 2nd pick in the draft and Braun, Cano and Fielder are my top 3 options…leaning towards Fielder (think hes going to have a big season)

    Thanks for the feedback

    • Joe D'Acquisto says:
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      @Joe: Grey …any thoughts?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Joe: Votto, Scherzer, Gyorko, Teheran, Donaldson, forget the trade, take Fielder…

      • Joe says:
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        @Grey: Thanks, I appreciate the feedback!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          No problem

  111. Aaron says:
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    Grey,
    Can I tell you how hard this is? Keeper league…I have Homer Bailey, Sonny Gray, Michael Wacha, and Julio Teheran, all at $5 each with the same contract status. However, I can probably only keep three of them. I was leaning toward Bailey for the veteran presence. How would you rank the others for the next two years? Thanks for your insights. I really look forward to your rankings.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      You need to throw one back? Throw back Wacha…

  112. Crotch Rot says:
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    12 team roto (same core group of owners for 10+ years), 5×5, mixed league, 6 keepers, regular draft…on the fence about keeping Matt Harvey. What do you think? Keeper options are..Carlos Santana, Andrus, Brandon Moss, Choo, Cargo, J. Upton, Cliff Lee. Appreciate the help.

  113. Ryan says:
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    Hey Grey,

    I am in a 10 team keeper head to head league at yahoo. We can only keep 6. I have Trout, Goldy, Harper, Beltre, Stanton, Scherzer, J. Fernandez , Segura as my top 8. Should I keep 6 hitters or 5 hitters and 1 pitcher, or top 4 hitters and keep the two pitchers?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Damn fine keepers to choose from… Trout, Goldy, Harper, Beltre, Stanton, Scherzer,

  114. Greg says:
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    I have the fifth pick in the draft and am deciding between Stanton or Verlander. Both are undervalued compared to last year’s prices. I am coming back with Hosmer, Tulo, Longoria, Craig, Gordon, and Harper. I do not have a 2nd round pick (traded it for Harper) so my first pick needs to be worth two rounds.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Stanton

  115. onetime4themoney says:
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    Hey Grey,
    I play in a 12-team H2H league.. My keepers are: Goldy, I. Desmond, H. Pence, H. Bailey…
    I have the 5th pick in the 1st round of this years draft.
    Should I take Kershaw with the 5th pick, being that there’s already 48 players off the board being kept?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Sure

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