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All the final 2013 fantasy baseball rankings for hitters are done.  For those that skipped today’s title, this starts the top 20 starters for 2013 fantasy baseball.  This is NOT for 2014 (caps for those still wearing their Gravity 3-D glasses — by the by, if you haven’t seen it, you should.  It’s kinda awesome.).  This is a recap.  Will these affect next year’s rankings?  Sure.  But not entirely.  To recapitulate, these rankings are from our Fantasy Baseball Player Rater.  We’re (me) using it to fairly gauge our (my) preseason rankings.  Anyway, here’s the top 20 starters for 2013 fantasy baseball and how they compare to where I originally ranked them:

1. Clayton Kershaw – Kershaw was incredible this year.  You don’t need me to tell you that.  I’m gonna talk on a broader point for a moment, after I’m done with this awkward segue.  I wasn’t great at projecting pitchers this year.  I wasn’t bad.  I wasn’t Matthew Berry still going to the Wandy Rodriguez well because he hasn’t come up with an original thought in five years.  I tell you I wasn’t great with a pretty huge caveat.  There was so much pitching that in leagues shallower than 16-team mixed leagues, it didn’t really matter.  You could course correct in-season and be totally fine.  I won a league where I dropped Jose Fernandez after 16 innings.  I gave you plenty of pitchers to grab in-season to fix any drafting problems you might’ve had.  In an NL-Only league, I was able to get Shelby Miller for crazy cheap, owned Hamels, Greinke and Jeff Locke for the 1st half of the year.  Oh, and hitting was my strength.  There’s pitching for days to use a parlance of the kids.  So, Kershaw was great, but totally unnecessary for your success.  Preseason Rank #4, 2013 Projections:  16-8/2.90/1.09/210, Final Numbers: 16-9/1.83/0.92/232

2. Max Scherzer – As I said in the preseason, “I’m excited for Scherzer like a baboon who opens a bananas-only box of Runts.”  And that’s me quoting me!  I’ve loved Scherzer for about four years now.  I loved him when he was Trevor Bauer on the Diamondbacks and he had no control.  Brucely, I didn’t think he’d have this level of control this year either, but he put that fear aside in a big way.  As the DNA spells out in my drool (if you use a microscope), if a guy can K more than nine guys per nine innings and can harness his control, he will be one of the best pitchers in the game.  It’s a pretty simple formula.  Hey, I’m a simple man.  Preseason Rank #12, 2013 Projections:  15-6/3.30/1.24/225, Final Numbers: 21-3/2.90/0.97/240

3. Adam Wainwright – He was in the same tier as Scherzer in the preseason.  I told everyone to draft them.  Unfortch, I didn’t draft either in any league.  They probably went too early for my taste.  Whatevs.  You don’t need to draft pitching early.  It’s true, boo.  Preseason Rank #13, 2013 Projections:  16-8/3.12/1.19/193, Final Numbers: 19-9/2.94/1.07/219

4. Yu Darvish – God works in mysterious ways.  Example:  if I would’ve drafted Darvish, Scherzer or Wainwright (or Harvey or held Jo-Fer or any of these top guys), I would’ve been so overcome with joy, I would’ve had to deal with a six month-long erection.  So, I didn’t own Darvish, but I admired him from afar.  He’s another illustration of The Scherzer Principle.  If a guy can strikeout a lot of guys and controls his pitches better, watch out.  Preseason Rank #23, 2013 Projections:  15-10/3.74/1.24/228, Final Numbers:  13-9/2.83/1.07/277

5. Cliff Lee – The Adverb’s peripherals are ridiculous in how consistent they are from year to year.  He’s like a machine.  I’ve never heard the comparison before probably because they are not at all similar pitchers, but how is Cliff Lee not compared to Greg Maddux besides the obvious that they are nothing at all alike?  I mean, c’mon.  It’s an obvious comparison that doesn’t really make sense.  The preceding wasn’t a quote from Tim McCarver, but could’ve been.  Preseason Rank #11, 2013 Projections:  13-10/3.05/1.06/212, Final Numbers: 14-8/2.87/1.01/222

6. Hisashi Iwakuma – Hisashi my dashi — slurp, SLURP!  He was in the tier I called ‘Schoolboy Q and Kendrick Lamar’ because those guys were about to break out.  I didn’t think Hisashi would break out to this extent.  I mean, any time a guy throws his home games in a pitcher’s park, it’s not a bad start — literally.  He was helped by his BABIP and men left on base, but it wasn’t all luck.  He reduced his walks by a huge amount (3.09 to 1.72).  I wonder if he was dealing with nerves in 2012.  I wonder, y’all!  Preseason Rank #81, 2013 Projections:  9-12/3.56/1.26/152, Final Numbers:  14-6/2.66/1.01/185

7. Jose Fernandez – He wasn’t in the rotation when I ranked the starting pitchers in the preseason, but he was the lede in the very first Buy of the year.  As I mentioned in the Kershaw blurb, I Mr. Bungled, dropping Fernandez.  Fernandez had the kind of first season that portends a perennial All-Star.  He had a better first season than quite a few Hall of Famers.  Kershaw looked like a peg boy his first year compared to Jo-Fer.  Verlander won the Rookie of the Year award and didn’t come close to Jo-Fer’s year.  Speaking of ‘ers, F-Her’s first year looks like Kyle Lohse compared to Jo-Fer.  I’m sure there’s been recent rookie years as good as Jo-Fer, but I’m drawing a blank.  Hideo Nomo?  But he wasn’t really a rookie.  I think you have to go back to Dwight Gooden’s rookie year to beat Jo-Fer’s year.  That’s impressive.  Preseason Rank Unranked, Final Numbers:  12-6/2.19/0.98/187

8. Madison Bumgarner – This Bum doesn’t get enough recognition.  Or maybe I’m just an ass man.  He’s remarkably consistent with three full seasons under his belt.  Oh, and he’s only 24 years old.  Preseason Rank #9, 2013 Projections:  16-9/3.28/1.08/195, Final Numbers: 13-9/2.77/1.03/199

9. Jordan Zimmermann – I got 99 problems, but predicting J-Z’s success ain’t one.  Preseason Rank #14, 2013 Projections:  14-10/3.09/1.13/172, Final Numbers:  19-9/3.25/1.09/161

10. Matt Harvey – Since he won’t even appear in the top 100 starters next year, I’ll go ahead and give you a sneak peek of Harvey for 2015:  go look at Wainwright’s final stats for this year.  As for this year from Harvey, I told everyone to draft two pitchers on every team:  Samardzija and Harvey.  Schmuckzija didn’t pan out quite as well, but Harvey did a’ight.  Emphasis on the ight.  Preseason Rank #62, 2013 Projections:  10-7/3.92/1.34/192 in 188 innings, Final Numbers:  9-5/2.27/0.93/191

11. Anibal Sanchez – Anibal’s one of my biggest mistakes from the preseason.  Wouldn’t be saying that if he would’ve done this last year when I loved him.  This year, I was way off on Anibal.  I guess I’ll just never understand women.  Preseason Rank #42, 2013 Projections:  13-9/3.92/1.28/180, Final Numbers:  14-8/2.57/1.15/202

12. Chris Sale – 2013 was a transition year for my love for Sale.  I couldn’t like him going into this year because of how the White Sux (ab)used him in 2012.  I never doubted his stuff, I doubted his ability to stay healthy and as is my wont sometimes, I’ll say on occasion something like, “He could be great, but I won’t own him.  Plenty of other fish in the sea, Pharcyde.”  And that’s me quoting hypothetical me!  Preseason Rank #20, 2013 Projections:  13-6/3.45/1.18/178, Final Numbers:  11-14/3.07/1.07/226

13. Felix Hernandez – *looking at my projections compared to his end-of-the-season numbers, drops mic*  Preseason Rank #5, 2013 Projections:  14-9/3.10/1.12/219, Final Numbers: 12-10/3.04/1.13/216

14. Zack Greinke – My strikeout projections weren’t simply off for Greinke because Carlos Quentin thought he was Iron Mike Sharpe.  Greinke’s K-rate was way off.  It’s worrisome, which is less appealing than toothsome.  His velocity was off and he gave up more line drives than at any point since 2006 when his ERA was 4.26.  This wasn’t a terrific year for Greinke that was masked by a great ERA.  Preseason Rank #6, 2013 Projections:  16-8/2.97/1.12/215, Final Numbers: 15-4/2.63/1.11/148

15. Mike Minor – Big thing that sticks out to me with Minor is the WHIP difference between projections and final stats.  That leads me to look for the reason.  His walk rate was way down to 2.02.  A 2.02 BB/9 guy with a 7.96 K-rate is a borderline ace.  This year he gave you borderline ace numbers, so there’s that.  Preseason Rank #36, 2013 Projections:  11-10/3.87/1.22/181, Final Numbers: 13-9/3.21/1.09/181

16. Bartolo Colon – His stats were in 190 1/3 IP.  117 Ks in that many innings makes you think of what?  That you really want a Blizzard from DQ?  Doode, stop thinking about food for a second.  Instead of Blizzards, it should make you think Colon was crazy lucky.  Preseason Unranked, Final Numbers:  18-6/2.65/1.17/117

17. Francisco Liriano – After Anibal, Liriano would probably take 2nd in a race for my biggest miss.  I didn’t even trust Liriano in the beginning of the year when he was breaking out.  He regained his early Twins form, Ks were back, walks were lowered and he wasn’t killed by homers.  I had major doubts when he started showing his old self.  Don’t worry, I believe now like a character in a bad Disney cartoon.  Preseason Unranked, Final Numbers: 16-8/3.02/1.22/163

18. Mat Latos – I’ll share a secret that I’ve probably shared before.  I love Ks, not just because they’re sexy, but also because they’re predictable.  Wins are flighty, ERA is the same.  Ks, you can hang your hat on those.  And they’re sexy.  For further reading on the subject, look at my strikeout projections for Latos vs. his end of the season stats.  Preseason Rank #15, 2013 Projections:  16-9/3.33/1.12/188, Final Numbers: 14-7/3.16/1.21/187

19. Shelby Miller – He was also in the preseason Kendrick Lamar tier, and I wrote a whole post about him.  I.e., you were properly warned to draft him.  Did I think he would have a season this good?  Aw, c’mon.  Don’t make me pull back the curtain on myself.  Preseason Rank #78, 2013 Projections:  10-4/3.63/1.27/155, Final Numbers: 15-9/3.06/1.21/169

20. Justin Masterson – Member when I said I dropped Jose Fernandez on that one team and still won?  If you don’t remember, you should have your brain checked.  It wasn’t that long ago.  Well, I also dropped Masterson on that team.  Yes, that’s how much pitching is out there.  I carried only two starters (Greinke and Price) for three months and streamed the rest and won the league.  This brings up an interesting dilemma.  Do you even bother drafting starters?  What do you draft instead?  Middle relievers that you will drop?  Bench hitters that you’ll drop?  I say you still draft starters, but just don’t be so precious.  That’s Mo’Nique smacking her kid Precious, not Gollum precious.  Preseason Rank #100, 2013 Projections:  9-10/3.90/1.36/162, Final Numbers: 14-10/3.45/1.20/195

  1. JashFath

    JashFath says:
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    I share the belief that you should never take a pitcher with your first 3 picks. This year, I went further and didn’t draft my first pitcher until the 7th (Medlen). They laughed at me for waiting so long, now I laugh at them while drinking kefir from my trophy while wiping tears of joy with the prize money.

    • Cram It says:
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      @JashFath: I haven’t taken my first SP until at least the 5th to 7th rounds sine ’07/’08 I think. I drafted Chris Carpenter in the 3rd one year and Brandon Webb in the 4th in another…both went out for the season within the first month.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @JashFath: Mmm, kefir, the drink of the fantasy Gods… Nice job on punting to Medlen… Obviously the shallower of the league, the easier to punt…

      • JT says:
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        Colon is ahead of Strasburg next year?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          No way

      • JashFath

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        @Grey: Yeah, it was a 10-teamer, so it wasn’t too deep. The Cardinals still hadn’t announced their fifth starter, so I took a flier on Shelby with my last pick. That helped, and so did waiver gems in the second half like Marco Estrada and Ubaldy. The final piece of my frankenstein staff was acquiring Hamels PASB, when I dealt Goldschmidt :’( for him and Rizzo. I think this strategy works well in H2H, but maybe not so well in Roto where you can’t “erase” the occasional 8ER spot starts from crappy pitchers.

        Btw, strawberry kefir from Trader Joe’s is my go-to. If I could only have one thing to consume for the rest of my life, that would probably be it.

        • Grey

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          Strawberry Kefir is the nectar of the gods… In a ten-teamer, a little crazy that you bothered drafted Miller or that anyone did… Hamels trade doesn’t sound great, even knowing you won, but, well, you won, so it worked out…

  2. jeff g says:
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    Didn”t listen to u did my own thing n crashed my parents car this year. Need some early advice on keepers for next year. NL 5×5. Keep 4.

    Harper 12
    C Gomez 17
    Gattis 1
    Yelich 1
    EY jr. 1
    Taveras 1
    Adams 2

    Medlin 2
    C Martinez 1
    Rosenthal 1
    Brothers 1

    Thinking my 4 are Gomez, Harper, Oscar T and either Adams or Rosenthal. What say you Sensei?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @jeff g: Harper, Gomez, Yelich, Taveras

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        @Grey: why all the love 4 yelich? He was an afterthought on my list. We only carry 4 of n 2 utilities that can swing from hitters to P. Rosenthal n Martinez look like future Studs.

        I also forgot I own Wheeler 2 as well

        Is your theory H>P. N do u keep best proj value?

        Adams hittiing 280 w 35 bombs for 1 knowing I paid 28 for freeman this past year. Know it is a while be4 your amaxing projections: Yelich 290 25 15 bags same Runs close between them.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          @jeff g: No idea what you’re saying with, ” We only carry 4 of n 2 utilities that can swing from hitters…”

  3. Yeshcheese says:
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    Case in point, I carried JoFer, MadBum, JZimm and Shelby (needs a cool abbreviation) and still came in 4th.

    Offense matters!

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      @Yeshcheese: oh and I had fat Bartolo. wtf!!

    • Cram It says:
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      @Yeshcheese: Yup, I had Iwakuma, Jo-Fer, Shelby and Minor. 4 of the top 20…didn’t pay for any of them and finished 4th as well. How did my offense suck so bad? Oh yeah, Stanton, Kemp, Heyward and Votto….

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Yeshcheese: Shelby is The Accountant… Yeah, definitely need offense…

      • Ryan G says:
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        @Grey: She-Mill, she sounds hot! Damn shallow hal…

    • Terrible Ted says:
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      @Yeshcheese: Saw Mill

  4. papasmurf says:
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    After 2012, I had Sale and Latos as potential keepers. Because Sale had faded down the stretch and also of the questions about his durability, I didn’t keep him. I am Latos intolerant, so I didn’t keep him either. Plus, I figured, in the PED-less-rampant era, pitching is easier to find.

    So who did I keep instead? Lawrie and Headley. That worked out real well, as did my first SP draft pick, Shark. He sure jumped himself big time this year. My third keeper BJ Upton was great too. As was fourth keeper G Stanton…

    I think I am gonna keep Harvey and pray… only cuz my keeper choices are awful.

    I liked the Analball last year but he left me a dirty sanchez. So this yr he goes on the 2012 champion’s team and has a year I thought he’d have last year. Repeat championship. He’s officially my most hated pitcher.

    Yeah, this smurf didn’t have a good year. Followed up with a disgustingly close 2nd finish in 2012 with a turd 2013.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @papasmurf: Damn, some tough breaks there… I don’t know about the Harvey keeper thing, but I don’t know your possibilities either…

      • papasmurf says:
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        @Grey: Besides Stanton and Longo, I could keep:

        B Phillips, ECab, Harvey, Perkins, Romo, Simmons, Rendon, Soriano, Sal Perez, Headley, Shark, Ryu

        As you can see, Harvey’s not looking so bad… League rules dictate I must keep at least 5.

        It’s a 16 team keeper league. Usually about 100 players are kept each year.

        • Grey

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          @papasmurf: Yeah, Harvey doesn’t look that bad in that company…

  5. L-Boogie says:
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    I didn’t take my first pitcher until the 6th round last year (Bum) and I won ERA, WHIP, W and 2nd in Ks. I waited until the 6th this year (Bum again… I’m an addict) and I shattered league pitching records. 1st in wins (tied), ERA (2.711) WHIP (1.076), saves (tied) and 2nd in Ks for a total of 58 out of 60 possible pitching points. Of course it helped getting Scherzer in the 7th.

    I’m not saying this just to toot my own horn (toot toot). I’m saying Grey is absolutely right as I did this with Bum, Scherzer, Jo-Fer ($3 FA pickup!!!), Liriano (FA pickup), AJ Burnett (23rd pick), Sonny Gray (FA pickup) and dozens of other pitchers that I did not draft (hasta la vista Josh Beckett). The SoN helped big time.

    I’d rather still draft starters because 1) we only start 7 pitchers so I don’t need so many, 2) you never know which middle-late round guys are going to have the breakout season and 2) I use them as trade bait for good buy-low offense once my hitting deficiencies become clearer

    Although I think I’m waiting until the 10th+ round next year to draft my staff of Cobb, Gray, Kluber, Salazar…

    Toot toot.

    Toot.

    • Grey

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      @L-Boogie: Yup and yup… I don’t think those are all 10th+ round pitchers next year, unless it’s an 8-team league…

  6. Jon says:
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    In a 10-team league, keep 15, I’m going into next year with a starting OF of Stanton, Kemp, Victorino and Jennings. Obviously a ton of potential there but question marks, too. How confident would you feel with that group or would you be looking to make some moves this off-season?

    I’m also pretty sure I can add a sleeper or two (i.e. Brantley) in the draft. This year, for example, I drafted Marte and Gardner in the middle rounds, flipped Marte for Kemp (hopefully the right decision going forward) and held Gardner until my playoff run. So I’m sure I can do something like that again.

    • Grey

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      @Jon: I’d look to upgrade any time there’s a chance to upgrade… With that said, those keepers are relatively fine…

  7. Mr. Rickey says:
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    This year I was in a 12 team Roto league – drafted my first starter in the 15th round. Picked up all my hitters and closers first. Streamed starters all year and won the league by a comfortable margin. These guys are all great until they’re not – I’m streaming from now on.

  8. George says:
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    Win Pitching – Compete Offensively. This will always be the correct and winning strategy.

    And Grey – we should keep in touch regarding the opinion that you have on Josh Hamilton and Ryan Braun.

    They’ll each bounce back next year.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @George: I can’t imagine Hamilton bouncing back, and Braun’s iffy…

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      @Gareth: I wouldn’t say they were stupid comments. It’s the same shit everyone’s been saying since he came up. I thought what Puig did was ridiculous…acting like it was a HR as soon as he hit it. Everyone gets taken to task for that bonehead move.

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        @Cram It: I honestly think it’s way overblown with him. It’s like when someone does something one time and label it all the time and then someone else does the same thing and it’s an exception to the rule. Perception vs reality. Puig is the new Kobe

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        @Cram It: It’s a game where people hit a ball with a stick. The kid’s having fun. It’s not Brain Surgery.

        • J-FOH says:
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          @Gareth: that is the smartest thing you have ever said

          • Gareth says:
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            @J-FOH: Thanks J-FOH!

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          @Gareth: Not running out the ball because he’s admiring what he thinks is a homer when it’s not = just having fun? I’d call that stupid. I guess it’s all good acting the fool when you can back it up talent wise. See: Lastings Milledge.

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            @Cram It: you better watch your mouth if you are comparing Lastings to Puig. He still had a stand up triple off the hit, WGAF

            • Cram It says:
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              @J-FOH: Hell, maybe it would’ve been an inside the parker if he ran from the get go! I bet you a trillion OTI dollars Puig ends up bottoming out like Lastings Milledge. He’ll be a .240 hitter who can’t stay healthy in 2 more years.

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          @Gareth: Yeah just a game where you swing a stick. Who cares what happens? They should all get a sticker for playing, just have fun and sing Cumba-fucking-ya together after every game.

  9. TX_Chris says:
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    Grey,
    You worried about Greinke for next year? Is now the time to start shopping him in a dynasty league?
    Also, this is the site that got me tuned into the K/BB walk stat, and its the only thing I use to find SP’s now, so thanks! Its been the best strategy for pitching in my league.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @TX_Chris: Nice! I wouldn’t just trade him to get rid of him, but I would listen to offers on Greinke…

  10. Gareth says:
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    Wainwright: “I saw Adrian doing some Mickey Mouse stuff on third base.”

    Beltran on Puig:
    “I think he doesn’t know,” Beltran said. “He still thinks he’s playing somewhere else, I don’t know. He has a lot of passion, no doubt about that. Great ability, great talent, and I think with time, he will learn that you have to sometimes act a little bit more calm. Not only with trying to show up other teams, [but also], like, umpires. It’s going to take him time, but he’s going to learn.”
    “You don’t want to wake up nobody,” Beltran said. “I always say that if you hit a homer off a pitcher, you have to make him believe that he made a mistake. You don’t wake him up, because next time, the pitcher is going to be more focused with you and is going to try to get you out, try to be more aggressive. As a player, he will learn. I don’t think he’s a bad kid, I just think he doesn’t know right now.”
    “Actually, I’m in the outfield,” Beltran said after a long pause. “I’m watching him. It’s not great, I don’t like it, but what can I say? I don’t play for them. I just play over here and need to do my job.”

    The Clubhouse after the game:

    http://www.fun2gag.com/tent/uploads/2013/03/Hitler-does-Grease.jpg

    • Cram It says:
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      @Gareth: You must be in that pic, because these comments really have your attention.

      • 2000 Brain Cells ago says:
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        @Cram It: Jesus, go start you own blog, so we can all go ignore you there. Please.

        • Cram It says:
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          @2000 Brain Cells ago: You kidding me? Gareth should have his own blog. He takes up half the bandwith on this site.

          • Pardon Me Madam, But Your Mipples Are Leaking says:
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            @Cram It: HA!! i need to grab some popcorn while reading these..

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                @CramYourCatcherQuestionsUpYourCramhole: pretty sure for a debate to occur there has to be at least 2 conflicting points of view; when one person makes it a point to have everyone know he/she is ignoring a 2nd person, and the 2nd person responds by claiming a 3rd person (who actually was giving possibly useful info) is way more useless than he himself is we’re much closer to the type of stuff that went on the 90′s Springer show.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Gareth: I like that Puig doesn’t ‘act calm’…I think it brings fun to baseball which is too buttoned-up…

  11. JonO says:
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    H2H, Drafted Zimmerman in the 8th round, 6 closers around picks 10-16, Jarrod Parker in the 17th (dropped), basically punting Wins and Ks. It worked fine until half my closers got injured or imploded and lost the job.

    Managed to stream my way to the 8th playoff spot and eventually got to the finals (thanks SoN!) and lost because my offense went cold. Just wanted to say thanks to all the Razzball staff, see you guys next year!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @JonO: No problem, hopefully we can get you the win next year!

  12. J-FOH says:
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    I want to go to the Dodger game tonight, you down Albright?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @J-FOH: You have tickets?

      • Pardon Me Madam, But Your Mipples Are Leaking says:
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        @Grey: TWO tickets to paradise!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Haha

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Grey: could of had some this morning but no one wanted to go. I looked at stub hub and we can go for like 75 a pop.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Damn, that’s not bad at all… I had a long meeting today, so wasn’t around for a few hours, damn…

  13. Carnac says:
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    Re: Harvey in 2015… for comparison do you mean Wainwright’s 2012 (first year back from tommy john – not this season)?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Carnac: Depends on his offseason prep into 2015, but, yeah, he might be looking at 2016 as his 2013 Waino year… Usually 12-14 months back in so that takes us to about January of 2015… May not be (wain)right until July of 2015…

  14. Gareth says:
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    I have no problem with Puig. You can say he showboats, but the guy is young and enjoying his first season in the Major Leagues. He’s become a Star that has entertained and energized the Dodgers franchise. I’m sure he’ll mature as the years go by but right now he’s 22 and in the Postseason. Let him be.

    I do take umbridge with guys being paid millions of dollars to play a game complaining about guys on the other team celebrating and showing emotion on the field. The old Baseball cliches of Grinding it out, playing the game the right way and respecting the veterans are valid but ITS A FREAKING GAME.

    The Little kid on the field at the start of games shouts “Play Ball!” into the Microphone not “Lets go to Work and be an emotionless Robot!”

    • Cram It says:
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      @Gareth: It’s not “just a freaking game” to the guys playing. They’re the best at what they do and they’ve gotten there because of their drive, competitiveness and desire to win. They’re not sitting around like “Oh that Puig, he’s so cray cray. I just love watching him show us up.” But to you sitting on the couch, sure it’s entertaining. But that’s besides my point. I don’t care about about the antics from a fan’s perspective. The guy makes boneheaded plays left and right.

      • Gareth says:
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        @Cram It: My point is that players sometimes take themselves too seriously and Criticizing others for having fun just comes across as Douchey.

        I’m not questioning the St Louis players will to win, just their attitude.

        Another example of this would be in that game where Jose Fernandez hits a home run and pitches a Gem. Johnson, McCann and some other Braves react to this with an attitude of “This showboater needs to be taken down a peg or two” Then proceed to act like Petulant Children.

        In both cases the Kid looks like the Mature One, and the complainers appear Petty.

        • Cram It says:
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          @Gareth: Maybe they’re being babies, but I don’t know how Puig or Jo-Fer look like the mature one. I’d compare their antics to the football receiver that makes one catch the whole game for 4 yards and acts like he just made a game wining Super Bowl TD catch. That’s douchey. But he’s just having fun right?

        • Cram It says:
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          @Gareth: That said, I agree with you, that SOMETIMES players take themselves too seriously, but not in last nights case. It’s the freaking divisional series and that half-wit Puig showed them up in the 4TH INNING with his first hit in like 1000 ab’s. Whoopee.

            • Cram It says:
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              @Furious: Ok, this isn’t a Cardinals vs Puig thing, but I do see a difference. Every pitcher/hitter pumps his fist/screams with a big moment strikeout/hit. A couple of fist pumps and claps is not the same thing as raising your arm in ultimate victory and watching a home run you didn’t hit, then gesturing towards the crowd like you’re the incredible Hulk about to do a People’s Elbow. Regardless, the demonstrative celebrating doesn’t bother me. I just think he’s a disrespectful, diva, knucklehead of a ball player.

              • SteveNZ says:
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                @Cram It: First rule for ALL ballplayers should be ‘don’t be a dick’.

                • SteveNZ says:
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                  @SteveNZ: Indeed, it’s a pretty good rule for us all.

                  • costaricanchata says:
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                    @SteveNZ:

                    2nd that emotion !

            • Cram It says:
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              @Furious: I mean christ, Beltran gives a thumbs up after a double, Molina pumps his fist after a HUGE OUT in the 10th and Wacha screams running off the mound. Sorry, that’s a world of difference from what Puig does everytime he does anything other than strike out. Just let the guy do cartwheels around the bases. I don’t care.

              • matt says:
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                @Cram It: he throws his bat halfway down to basepath then walks halfway to first. I think it’s quite the difference myself

                • goodfold2 says:
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                  @matt: funny thing is hockey is MUCH more anti-showboating than baseball is. Even though there when somebody does a really outlandish celebration after a goal it’s not aimed directly at the goalie as much as a pitcher gets shown up by a homer with the batter celebrating afterwards.

  15. RandomItalicizedVoice says:
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    “I’m excited for Scherzer like a baboon who opens a bananas-only box of Runts.”

    One of your best lines ever. Glad you recycled it.

    • Cram It says:
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      @Gareth: It’s the Yasiel Puig of chips!

  16. Juice_0321 says:
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    Would you do this trade?

    My:
    Pedi – maxed out keeper, needs to be kept or traded
    Waino – has one year left of keeper eligibility

    for:
    Hanley – will replace Pedi in maxed out keeper status
    Cole – 3 full years of eligibility

    Thoughts on Cole for 14′?

      • Juice_0321 says:
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        @Grey: Pedroia. Duh. Marriage mushed your brain already I see. Dont worry, you get it back after the “honeymoon stage.”

      • Pardon Me Madam, But Your Mipples Are Leaking says:
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        @Grey: haha i thought the same thing! Think he means pedroia.. Pedroia prolly gets his mani-pedis for kid prices…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’d hold

  17. costaricanchata says:
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    anyone watching the game ?

    • Pardon Me Madam, But Your Mipples Are Leaking says:
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      @costaricanchata: watching verlander… Through my scope!

  18. OaktownSteve says:
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    I think one reason Verlander is cookin’ in the post-season and why his regular season stats were sub-par is he deliberately dialed it back earlier in the year. He pitched his fewest inning since 2008, didn’t have many (any?) of those 130 pitch games, wasn’t max effort delivery until he started to crank it up in September.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      He couldn’t have had a lot of those 130 pitch games because the score was like 7-2 against him…

      • OaktownSteve says:
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        @Grey:

        I know. I just felt like watching him during the regular season he was deliberately holding a little back. Makes sense right? Other than against the A’s he hasn’t been great in the post season. Not holding a lot back, mind you. Just trying to build the season rather than going 100% on every pitch all year.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          It could be that or simply due to how many innings he threw last year caught up to him finally and he wasn’t finally good until the 2nd half of the year, when he was better, if not completely himself… Like his April thru June was his spring training…

  19. gareth says:
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    How bout that john lackey………

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Pretty ridiculous

  20. gareth says:
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    I may be getting a new avatar soon. The other half has fallen in love with a male kitten at a pet store and wants to bring it home. Ite the same breed as the one in my current avatar, only this Persian kitty has ginger ears, tail and feet.
    This would be cat number 4 for us. We already have 2 apl rescue cats and 1 expensive persians (all female).
    I’m actually a little freaked out that a fourth kitty is on its way. Too much?

    Razzball commentators please feel free to offer name suggestions for the new kitty.

    • SteveNZ says:
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      @gareth: Only a short step from there to having trash piled 5 feet high in your living room and you never leaving the house.

      • gareth says:
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        @SteveNZ: I’m already past that point…………

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      What could you name a kitten or anything besides, Giancarlo? Or call it Mike for a few years then Giancarlo…

      • chunk says:
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        @Grey: ha!

  21. costaricanchata says:
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    tough spot for nolasco .
    any faith in him ?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      None at all…

  22. costaricanchata says:
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    surprised to see him throw a strike to beltran , there .
    but as i type this , guess i see now why walking beltran
    wasn’t good , either .

    • costaricanchata says:
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      @costaricanchata:

      easy to say , now , that he should have put holiday on ,
      and pitched to adams .

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        Yeah, Nolasco’s not very good… This is the game where they should’ve bumped up Kershaw for…

        • SteveNZ says:
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          @Grey: Nolasco v Lynn. Not exactly a matchup for the ages/

          • Grey

            Grey says:
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            No, because the Dodgers had to throw Kershaw vs. the Pirates at home in the last series… He would’ve went tonight if they held him and they won…

  23. costaricanchata says:
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    puig :
    criticized for not sliding to break up a double play .
    this time , leg-whips carpenter …. still , doesn’t get the job done .

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, remember that criticism…

      • SteveNZ says:
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        @Grey: He couldn’t come to terms with the idea he was on first. He thought he hit it out.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Haha

  24. SteveNZ says:
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    Shane Robinson?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Sugar Shane

  25. costaricanchata says:
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    considering the quality of their young pitching staff
    and the depth of their farm system ,
    we may be witnessing a redbird dynasty …. post-larussa .

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      There’s definitely a bunch of arms which helps in the playoffs…

      • SteveNZ says:
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        @costaricanchata: @Grey: Cards pen has been superior in this series too.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Agreed, but only just barely… Both of these teams have been really solid…

          • SteveNZ says:
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            @Grey: You’re right. LA pen coughed it up in Game 1, but that’s been their only screwup. Loomed too large in my mond.

            • SteveNZ says:
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              @SteveNZ: Though Howell not good today.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Then again they’re actually pitching Marmol too… Yikes

              • goodfold2 says:
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                @Grey: ellis and puig gave away the 1-0 game.

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Agreed

  26. costaricanchata says:
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    hey carnac :

    A ) because they’ll be 3 hours stuck in traffic
    trying to get home .

    • costaricanchata says:
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      @costaricanchata:

      Q ) why do dodger fans always stand for the 9th inning ?

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        HA

      • Carnac says:
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        Nice – it’s funny because it’s true!

  27. SteveNZ says:
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    One assumes the Cards didn’t make too much of a big deal out of that double play.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha, nope

  28. costaricanchata says:
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    the post-game show features that idiot eck ,
    reliving how he threw the ball in the ONLY conceivable place
    that gibson could reach to put the ball in the stands .

    • costaricanchata says:
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      @costaricanchata:

      wish i had gone to his hof induction ceremony ,
      just to “boo” him .

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, it’s the anniversary of it

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Grey: I remember the story Gibsoon told on some HBO thing and how 1) if it wasn’t for Scully pointing out he wasn’t in the dugout and how they needed him he would of never got out of the clubhouse, grabbed a bat and told Lasorda to put him in 2) that all the scouting they had on Eck was when he had that count against a batter he always threw his back door slider so he knew what was coming. If he would of thrown a fastball he probably wouldn’t of done what he did.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          What I didn’t remember but was re-enforced by clips yesterday was how awful he looked on preceding pitches…

          • SteveNZ says:
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            @J-FOH: @Grey: I saw that little piece too. He was waiting on the slider for sure, but to be fair to Eckersley, the way Gibson had looked in the at-bat up until that point, he probably felt he could have thrown him anything and he wouldn’t have got anywhere near it.

            I’m sensing some hate for Eckersley (no, really!) from big o, but I was impressed by Eck’s attitude to the whole thing today.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Yeah, I tend to agree with you… It really seemed like Gibson had no business even being up at bat… He looked dreadful on previous pitches… I didn’t remember that at all…

              • J-FOH says:
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                @Grey: too bad the game isn’t played in ideal situations

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Yup

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  BTW, Greinke!

                  • J-FOH says:
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                    @Grey: listening at work, going to head home to watch the end. Why is Ethier in there, he is such a liability right now. Have you ever seen a team this banged up in a LCS?

                    Oh and WTF, why does the ALCS get to be on network and we get stuck on f**king TBS. It’s not like the Dodgers and Cardinals aren’t the top two national league organizations.

                    • Grey

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                      Ethier shouldn’t be on the team, he’s been a mess all year… When routine balls are hit to him, I hold my breath… When he’s up to bat, I assume an out is coming… More so than Punto… Totally agree with you on the TV thing… I think Fox gets AL because they hope it’s Boston or New York every year, and lots of time they’re right…

                  • J-FOH says:
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                    @Grey: I think TBS payed because they assumed the Braves were going to be there.

                    I have a lot of doubts about Kemp. I wonder how hurt he was?

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      I think NL or AL on which channel is probably arranged before the season… Agreed on Kemp… I’ll tell ya something else too, Hanley may legitimately be hurt, but he sure seems like he’s hurt too, no fight from him pretending like he’s at 100%… He just walked to first on an infield ground out…

                  • J-FOH says:
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                    @Grey: I’ve had bruised ribs before and it was brutal. i can’t imagine trying to play with a cracked rib

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Yeah, I hear ya, but then they should pull him from the lineup… He looks useless up there

                  • J-FOH says:
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                    @Grey: Van Slyke has a sweet stache, they should play him over Ethier

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Anyone over him and I think Punto would be better over Hanley… Can Hanley dive for a ball? Or do anything on defense if it’s not hit right to him?

                  • J-FOH says:
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                    @Grey: @Grey: true dat. Regardless we’re on to game 6. Did you watch baio?

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Yup, just did…Love Chachi!

  29. Sky

    Sky says:
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    I’m combing back through these end of season ranks and I see Jed Lowrie and Carlos Gomez and I see no Sky love. You better rub something fancy on your Alex Cobb blurb. I done nailed somma dis, son! I’m guessing Dillon Gee finished in the top 40 as well. Wish the K’s were there, though.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Dillon Gee didn’t make it due to the Ks… You were da nails, son, after me, your fantasy pops…

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Grey: I thought I was an insecure writer

        • costaricanchata says:
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          @J-FOH:

          wait .
          this isn’t a secured site ?
          makes sense now .
          always wondered why so many commenters
          carried around security blankets during the season .

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          I don’t follow

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Ah…I got what you mean now… Yeah, Sky!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      HA! I thought it was gonna be from The Naked Gun, but this was pretty damn good…

  30. SteveNZ says:
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    Jesus, Holliday may only be hitting .222 but every hit has been a biggie.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yup… Crazy the amount of clutch hitting the Cards are getting…

  31. SteveNZ says:
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    A-Gonz doing his best to be overdrafted next year.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Him and Crawford

  32. SteveNZ says:
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    Bloody hell, Kenley…

    • SteveNZ says:
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      @SteveNZ: Wow. At least have a swing there, fella.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Whew

  33. costaricanchata says:
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    must be tough for peavy out on the mound in the 4th .
    after walking all those guys and trailing 5 to zip ,
    and still only around 60 pitches .
    he knows he’s in for a long night .

    make that 6 – zip .

    • costaricanchata says:
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      @costaricanchata:

      and just as i hit “post” , they rescue peavy ! ??
      what the heck for ??
      do the sawx think it’s still close ???

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        It’s a playoff game they can’t give games away without trying

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Not that long of a night

  34. costaricanchata says:
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    some of these managerial decisions make me feel like the game is fixed .
    going all the way back to when bochy did not bunt , early on , when the
    padres were in the world series .
    of course the reality is that these guys are not bright .

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha, I go with the reality…

  35. costaricanchata says:
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    @ Grey :

    i don’t think , in all the years that i’ve known you ,
    that you have ever really revealed yourself as a dodger fan
    as much as you have this post-season .
    you really DO bleed dodger blue , and would prolly
    blend in quite well at a lasorda soiree .

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’m not a dodger fan, it would just be nice to have a World Series in the city I’m in… I’ve never experienced that…

      • costaricanchata says:
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        @Grey:

        what color is the tux ?
        blue ??

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Black… Old school

          • SteveNZ says:
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            @Grey: The only school when it comes to a tux.

            Bow tie? Or normal tie?

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Bow tie, black… Did I show you my shoes though? http://bit.ly/17uVpqM Bam! So JFOH says he’s having problems getting to the site, you’re not, right?

              • SteveNZ says:
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                @Grey: I can get to the site fine.

                Groovy kicks. I’m kind of a square when it comes to formal wear though…

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Thanks! They cost a small fortune… But if I were going old school black, I need some flash…

                  • SteveNZ says:
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                    @Grey: Yeah, I saw how much they cost. Yikes.

                    Naw, you don’t need flash with the ol’ tux.

                    Hang on. We’re getting back to that suit Matt Kemp wore for his contract signing, aren’t we? (emoticon)

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Haha… Totally… The picture doesn’t even do them justice… That’s not white, it’s silver metallic if you can’t tell…

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      See, mine are extravagant but I can’t understand makes those almost thirteen hundred dollars…

                  • SteveNZ says:
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                    @Grey: Yeah, totally take your point. They don’t look like $1300 shoes to me either. Guess it’s in the leather and the making.

                    Reckon I could go to $500 or so for a pair of shoes, but only if they were of a type I’d wear for years.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      They better measure my foot and contour the shoe exactly for my foot for thirteen hundred…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      That’s not true… I was in New York with the mets in 86…

  36. costaricanchata says:
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    and fielder doesn’t get drilled
    after cabrera “steals” 2nd base ?
    (preceded , of course , by austin demonstrating
    his running prowess …. up 6-zip .)

    • costaricanchata says:
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      @costaricanchata:

      maybe the dodgers ARE the class of this field .

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, but they still tried to get him…

  37. Chris says:
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    Grey…just want to give a big thank you. Found your site mid-April which was obviously after our draft. I read your blogs every day and it helped a lot with player pickups and weekly roster moves. The hittertron and streamanator helped tons…having played fantasy baseball for 12 years now, there is no doubt your site is the best….no one else is even close…. Your advice helped to finish 2nd in the regular season and win the playoffs…reading your recaps on every position amazes me how close you were in your preseason projections… And one more thing: your patience in answering every question thrown your way every day? Wow….already looking forward to next season !

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks for the kind words, glad you won!

    • SteveNZ says:
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      @J-FOH: Is that the page you get, or the page you’re trying to access?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      How are you commenting if you keep getting redirected to that page? I’m a little confused…

  38. SteveNZ says:
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    Why does every game the Red Sox play take so damn long?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Seriously

  39. J-FOH says:
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    When do you leave for the BP?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Friday morning

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Grey: You need a vape pipe for your trip. Are you driving there?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Nah, flying… I just went to the vapor spot today and stocked up… Bunch great new flavors…

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Awesome JPEG… How is that not someone’s avatar…

              • J-FOH says:
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                @Grey: Right?….Truth: not the pic he sent but it’s the one I will use in my article for Friday

  40. J-FOH says:
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    I found this while doing this week’s piece, yeah you and baseball get another shout out, I cross promote like that to my 12 readers not including the Baby’s Mama http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eTDzwELqYo

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      HA… Nice video…

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