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All the final 2010 fantasy baseball rankings for hitters is done. For those that skipped today’s title, this starts the top 20 starters for 2010 fantasy baseball. This is NOT for 2011 (caps for those still wearing their Piranha 3-D glasses).  This is a recap.  Will these affect next year’s rankings?  Sure.  But not entirely.  To recapitulate, these rankings are from ESPN’s Player Rater.  It’s an objective third party to fairly gauge my preseason rankings.  Does this mean I think ESPN’s Player Rater is the Tootie and I’m the Natalie?  No, just an unbiased comparison.  Anyway, here’s the top 20 starters for 2010 fantasy baseball and how they compare to where I originally ranked them:

1. Roy Halladay – Now I’m either a freakin’ genius or I’m lucky as a leprechaun standing under a pigeon who just ate Mexican food.  I’d like to think it’s the former.  There’s only one surprising name in this group of 20 starters, who I’ll get to in a bit.  Did I rank all of these guys exactly as they ended up?  No, I’m not Ms. Cleo.  But if you would’ve asked me if I you should draft 18 of 20 of these starters, I would’ve said sure.  Carpenter I wasn’t a fan of, but he’s not completely surprising.  It’s no wonder that in all of my leagues, my pitching was beyond respectable (except for wins).  Continued in Wainwright’s blurb.  Preseason Rank #4, 2010 Projections: 17-8/3.02/1.14/185, Final Numbers:  21-10/2.44/1.04/219

2. Adam Wainwright – I never drafted a pitcher before the 3rd round and, if I did draft one there, I’d lay off starters for 4 to 5 rounds.  It wasn’t like I sat there and drafted Johan, Greinke and F-Her.  If I did, I would’ve been screwed.  I’d grab F-Her then much later Baby Weaver then later Oswalt then Jonathan Sanchez.  If you don’t think that’s a solid top 4 in a league with 12 or more teams, you need to lay off the glue sniffing.  Continued in F-Her’s blurb.  Preseason Rank #10, 2010 Projections: 16-8/3.30/1.18/190, Final Numbers:  20-11/2.42/1.05/213

3. Felix Hernandez – The projections might not be exactly on for these starters, but 18 of the 20 starters here all fell in a preseason grouping of starters that I was excited about drafting.  As for Felix… Sure, F-Her blew when it came to wins, but you can’t fault him for that.  Well, I mean, you can, but then you’d be Joe Morgan.  Preseason Rank #2, 2010 Projections: 18-6/3.00/1.10/220, Final Numbers:  13-12/2.27/1.06/232

4. Ubaldo Jimenez – Here’s what I said in the preseason, “Takes nads the size of beach balls to draft a Rockies pitcher as your first pitcher off the board.  Also takes nads to win a fantasy baseball championship.  Or at least that’s what I keep telling myself.”  And that’s me quoting me!  Though the 2nd half for Ubaldo was a worry with a 4.15 ERA.  Though II, The Return of Though, the first half was insane.  Preseason Rank #14, 2010 Projections: 15-9/3.50/1.27/200, Final Numbers:  19-8/2.88/1.15/214

5. Roy Oswalt – I realize he was on the Astros for half the year, so there’s goes those wins, but what explains his only 7 wins on the best NL team in the 2nd half?  I asked it, so I’ll answer it.  My win karma is why.  Sorry, Oswalt and all Oswalt owners.  I’m currently meditating 3 hours a day in hopes of turning around my bad win karma.  Preseason Rank #28, 2010 Projections: 12-6/3.65/1.22/150, Final Numbers:  13-13/2.76/1.03/193

6. Jered Weaver – “Okay, but is Weaver really this good?”  That’s you.  Here’s me, “He led the major leagues in strikeouts.”  Unlike Wins, you don’t back into that.  I already touched a bit on my 2011 Jered Weaver fantasy.  Preseason Rank #24, 2010 Projections: 15-10/3.65/1.22/180, Final Numbers:  13-12/3.01/1.07/233

7. CC Sabathia – He had his worst WHIP in 5 years.  His worst K-rate in 5 years.  His worst walk rate in 5 years.  His luckiest with men left on base in his career.  Paradoxically, his ground ball rate went up.  You may be looking at the beginning of the end for Prince Fielder’s stunt double.  Preseason Rank #5, 2010 Projections: 20-10/3.45/1.17/200, Final Numbers:  21-7/3.18/1.19/197

8. David Price – In honor of December Grey, here’s his David Price sleeper post from last year.  The Price was right, snitches!  Preseason Rank #26, 2010 Projections: 12-9/3.75/1.30/155, Final Numbers:  19-6/2.72/1.19/188

9. Cliff Lee – PETA would’ve appreciated The Adverb’s season because there was hardly any balls.  In all seriousness, spay and neuter your adverbs.  Preseason Rank #13, 2010 Projections: 15-8/3.40/1.22/160, Final Numbers:  12-9/3.18/1.00/185

10. Justin Verlander – Technically, not a bad season from Verlander, but why does it feel like I was annoyed every time he was starting a game?  Oh, I know.  His BAA vs. the 1st hitter was .291, which is 25 points worse than any other hitter.  Verlander was also terrible in the first inning and in April (5.53 ERA).  Idea bulb!  Bring Valverde in for the first inning then let Verlander close out the final 8.  Preseason Rank #7, 2010 Projections: 17-11/3.25/1.20/230, Final Numbers:  18-9/3.37/1.16/219

11. Jon Lester – If you throw out the final start of the year, Lester’s ERA was below 3.  If you throw out 2 wins, 2 losses, 10 Ks and add an extra 3 earned runs, my projections were right on.  If you throw out the year 2000, my stock portfolio would still be worth something.  Preseason Rank #9, 2010 Projections: 17-7/3.35/1.20/215, Final Numbers:  19-9/3.25/1.20/225

12. Josh Johnson – He’s like a rich man’s Erich Bedarden.  I guess it could be worse.  He could’ve pitched more than one start in September and had the results of Latos.  Speaking of which… Preseason Rank #12, 2010 Projections: 14-6/3.35/1.22/175, Final Numbers:  11-6/2.30/1.11/186

13. Mat Latos – Had four straight months of an ERA below 2.38.  In September, his ERA was 6.21.  I’m pretty bummed that the Padres pitched him so many innings and now it’s going to be hard to own him next year.  Oh, well.  I’ll see you in 2012, Latos.  Preseason Rank #68, 2010 Projections: 6-7/4.15/1.32/125, Final Numbers:  14-10/2.92/1.08/189

14. Tim Hudson – There were about three months in the season where I kept saying Hudson was getting lucky and his ERA would raise.  Didn’t really work out that way.  I did like Hudson in the preseason, so I didn’t count him in the 2 starters from this list I wouldn’t have owned.  I would’ve probably sold him some time in July though.  Preseason Rank #59, 2010 Projections: 13-5/3.55/1.32/145, Final Numbers:  17-9/2.83/1.15/139

15. Matt Cain – Cain continued his bafflement of the Fangraphs Database.  As I said towards the end of the season, I’m done saying Cain’s getting lucky.  He is, but I’m done saying.  Okay, I’m not done saying it, but I am.  If you catch my drift…  He was lucky!  Preseason Rank #32, 2010 Projections: 15-10/3.65/1.25/165, Final Numbers:  13-11/3.14/1.08/177

16. Clayton Kershaw – If Dodgers won 90 games and Kershaw won 20 games, he’s in the Cy Young conversation.  I’m not saying this to defend my preseason Cy Young selection of Kershaw, but I am, so there.  Preseason Rank #17, 2010 Projections: 12-4/3.20/1.22/200, Final Numbers:  13-10/2.91/1.18/212

17. Trevor Cahill – The only completely surprising name in this entire list.  I would’ve bet against him being a top 20 starter.  So does that mean I’m moron or Cahill was lucky last year?  They’re unrelated.  Both can be true and at times are true.  Cahill’s FIP was 4+ and his K-rate was egregious.  Cahill had no business having the season he had.  Preseason Rank #81, 2010 Projections: 17-8/3.02/1.14/185, Final Numbers:  18-8/2.97/1.11/118

18. Chris Carpenter – This name isn’t surprising and is surprising.  It’s surprising because I figured Carp would get hurt, it’s not surprising because when he’s healthy he has been solid.  Preseason Rank #18, 2010 Projections: 14-7/3.10/1.05/135, Final Numbers:  16-9/3.22/1.18/179

19. Cole Hamels – After a subpar 2008, I predicted a nice bounce back for Hamels.  Well, here ya go.  Had the best K-rate of his career in a full season and had a 2.23 ERA in the 2nd half of the year.  It’s true, I have a small crush on Hamels.  We all have our crosses to bear, especially if you’re Mr. T.  Preseason Rank #11, 2010 Projections: 16-10/3.45/1.15/185, Final Numbers:  12-11/3.06/1.18/211

20. Clay Buchholz – I’ll tell ya what, I was kinda crazy for Buchholz in the preseason and he ended up okay with all the wins and decent, if misleading ERA, but his lack of Ks is downright scary.  Who jacked him for his Ks?  It’s kinda appropriate that his name uses all hard Cs.  Preseason Rank #41, 2010 Projections: 14-9/3.95/1.34/155, Final Numbers:  17-7/2.33/1.20/120

  1. Quintero says:
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    I own Wainwright(traded Cain for him), Ubaldo, Weaver, Price and Kershaw on the same team. The secret here is simply, trust Razzball!

    p.s. JJ’s Final Numbers is missing…

  2. big o says:
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    tried to search (to no avail) who you ranked @ # 1 , 3 , 6 , 8 , & , 15 ,
    as these were the only ones you missed of the top 15 …. guess i’ll have to wait until the next list of 20 comes out .

    one of them was probably greinke .
    hope another wasn’t johan .
    we’re done with him , now . right ?

  3. VinWins

    VinWins says:
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    Some excellent pitcher projections, which has to be a lot tougher than hitter projections.

    Halladay’s projections slipped into the Cahill blurb, confusing me for a second. (“would’ve bet against him being a top 20 starter…Preseason Rank #4″)

  4. big o says:
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    oops … found them
    (gotta stop doing my own searches)

    1 lincecum
    3 greinke
    6 johan
    8 haren
    15 nolasco

  5. cain fan says:
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    I think you might have had a slight cut and paste error on the Cahill projections. I am pretty sure we would have all remembered if Cahill was your preseason #4 (as opposed to Halladay). Good stuff as always Grey.

  6. Marlo Stanfield says:
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    Pretty wild that Lincecum isn’t in the top 20 starters. Still love him for next season?

    I’m a bit late with this question – Snider or Pagan in 2011?

  7. Tony says:
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    @big o: i was done with johan in 2010 i am defly done with him from here on out…. RIP JOHAN.

  8. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Quintero: Thanks, missed that.

    @big o: With the injury, we’re definitely done with him.

    @VinWins: Doh, that’s a weird typo. My bad. Thanks for pointing it out. Pitchers are definitely harder. Think it’s more about whether I like them or not than what the actual projections are.

    @cain fan: Yeah, weird typo. Not sure what that’s from. Thanks for pointing it out.

    @Marlo Stanfield: Lincecum isn’t far off and I don’t mind him at the right draft spot. Snider…

  9. Andrew says:
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    Sorry to turn your attention to another site, but a writer on The Hardball Times Fantasy made the argument in his article this morning that Hanley and Tulo HAVE TO go 1-2.

    Please tell me I’m not the only one who thinks that’s crazy.

  10. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Andrew: Bleh… Some people like to say outlandish things for attention.

  11. big o says:
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    @Grey:
    hank blalock for HOF

    (hehe)

  12. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @big o: I think he’s still younger than Andres Torres.

  13. NateMarcum says:
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    Grey,

    I am pretty sure I have said this a few hundred times, but I really appreciate all the help this year. I really like making my own projections, roster moves, etc., but its nice to have reassurance when we both agree. (except for Kemp and Stewart, d’oh!)

    Going into next years keeper league, I will have Hamels, Kershaw, Verlander, Price, Nolasco, Broxton and Neftali with 2 years each left on their contracts. Would you agree that I can pretty much ignore pitching come draft day!

  14. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @NateMarcum: No problem. Definitely ignore pitching.

  15. Tony says:
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    @Andrew: wow thats pretty wild, hanley doesn’t deserve to be #1 and tulo can’t stay healthy hardly for a whole year, the harball times guy probably wrote “joe mauer will hit 35 HR’s last year and is a 1st rounder in all formats” last year too….

    hey i guess he can do whatever he wants with his team, but I dont know if I’m gambling on a healthy Tulo (and i know his injuries have been flukey, but still) or a motivated Hanley over MR CONSISTENT Albert Pujols….

    like grey said “its an attention grabber”.

  16. Simply Fred

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    @Andrew: The guy’s argument “for” is based strictly on position scarcity. The same logic applied last year would have placed Hanley #1 (ESPN reports his adp at #2). Did he return top value for you? Bleh, indeed.

    That’s not a knock on Ramirez. He, indeed, appears in line for a slight bounce back. His career BABIP is .347. He posted .327 last year (off a high of .379 in 2009). So, with a little better luck, his 2011 is better than 2010 (but expecting 2009 level may be a bit too much?).

  17. Grey

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    @simply fred: @Tony: I think Hanley could easily be number one, doesn’t seem to be much of opposition for that. He’s top 5 either way. Without September, Tulo would’ve been one of the biggest busts this year. He’s too injury-prone to even be in the discussion and he doesn’t hit in April.

  18. Tom Emanski says:
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    Really really strong list but I think Scherzer belongs here.

  19. Tom Emanski says:
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    @Tom Emanski: I take that back. He doesn’t, but he was still awesome after he came back up.

  20. yanks4life says:
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    Regarding CC, It was found out he was battling a knee issue pretty much all season; hence the recent minor knee surgery. I expect him to have a better season next year.

  21. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Tom Emanski: He was awesome, and think he made the top 40, if I remember correctly.

    @yanks4life: Could be…

  22. barker says:
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    once u hit thirty or close to it and u are 6’7″ 350 the words knee and problem loom larger each and every day especially if u play professional sports so the yanks may be looking for a new ace pretty soon and it was all such a nice dream 2009 was, when the yanks and their fans thought that CC would actually have a return on investment in every year of that monstrosity of a contract for a monstrosity of a person/ballplayer — they better hope to get the adverb and get him fast
    in summation his knee situation prolly ain’t getting much better unless he drops a few

  23. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @barker: Very good point.

  24. barker says:
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    drafted 6 of these guys in my 20 team league

    lester kershaw price latos buccholz cahill

    kept lester kershaw price for the long haul
    dropped latos after his 7 run effort in april (doh!) and immediately regretted it as soon as i clicked the button he did not give up more than 3 runs i think until sept. or something crazy like that
    traded buccholz with nyjer for the dread pirate
    and dropped cahill when i heard he didnt make the team out of spring training (he was my last round flyer) i’d say losing cahill hurt the most

    but i won the league anyways

  25. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @barker: Pretty impressive you still won that league. I wouldn’t have blinked on the Cahill drop either.

  26. Steve says:
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    You can tell that there’s a fever pitch of excitement around here for the World Series…

  27. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Steve: Definitely…. I agree with what royce! said yesterday though. Would like to see this go 7 games just so baseball doesn’t end.

  28. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Yeah – I think a Game 7 is the only way to get any drama into this thing.

    BTW, am I crazy to think the Giants could win this thing and then go and be really terrible next year?

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    Oops. Sorry about the ‘thing’ thing.

  30. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Steve: They could be a Wild Card type team next year just because of their pitching, but their hitting’s terrible. And they’re gonna lose Juan Uribe?!?

  31. royce! says:
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    Not sure if you guys are seeing the same commercials as I while watching the WS, but I was interested in what “cool jams” are based on the at&t commercial where a woman says, “It says you like soft rock,” and a guy replies, “I do. It says you like cool jams.”

    So apparently cool jams are sleepwear for women going through menopause. And the ads have increased the sales of cool jams by 300%. http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/accidental-plug-from-att-triples-cool-jams-sleepwear-sales—priceless-105166614.html

    So no need to wonder what cool jams are anymore! Hooray.

  32. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @royce!: I thought it meant some kind of music. Weird… During that commercial I was thinking about how other companies advertise for Facebook and they don’t have to. (Facebook was on the phone.)

  33. Grey

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    @royce!: Oh, and I just skimmed the article on Cool Jams, so not sure if this was mentioned (don’t think so), but they say the sales tripled. It could’ve went from 1 to 3 PJs sold.

  34. royce! says:
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    @Grey: @Steve: I agree with Grey about the Giants chances next year. It was interesting to note that the Giants WS starters are all young and homegrown, and, besides Cain, I don’t see any reason for all 4 of em to not be even better next year. But its hard to expect much of anything from any of their offense, except for maybe Posey, but I’d be afraid that he’d pull a Weiters next year.

    It’s all academic anyhow, because the Padres are gonna win it all in 2011. A healthy Blanks and no one can stop em!

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    @Grey: You’d have to think that if Cain develops any sort of acquaintance with the mean, they’re in trouble.

    Yeah, and hitting-wise, the planets must be due to fall out of alignment any second now.

  36. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @royce!: Blanks needs to grow out the ‘fro. Until then, he’s mortal.

  37. Steve says:
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    @Steve: Oops – forgot about The Bum.

    @Grey: That hard rock/slow jam thing might be something you can use when you’re out round the traps.

  38. royce! says:
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    @Grey: Yeah, that’s the funny thing, I’m sure whoever wrote the ad thought they were just naming a genre of music, but people like myself were like, “cool jams? Never heard of it, but I want in on that!”

    I mean, who is against cool jams?

    So the result of the writers not just using a real genre of music is that more menopause sleepwear is selling.

  39. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Steve: NL West is so poor that three solid pitchers can get you into the Wild Card then as we saw this year get a little hot in the playoffs and anything can happen in a short series.

  40. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @royce!: Yeah, because menopause PJ reference there makes no sense. The girl is 20-something.

  41. royce! says:
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    @Grey: Yep. Hopefully he’ll work on the ‘fro in the offseason. He should wash his hair with egg whites to get it to grow faster. In elementary school I knew some kids who did that so they could grow out their bangs faster to look more like Tony Hawk.

  42. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @royce!: Sounds like a crack from Just Desserts. Oh, yeah? And you wash your hair with egg whites! ….That remedy for hair growth is new to me.

  43. Steve says:
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    @Grey: True dat. Maybe I was a little dramatic there.

  44. royce! says:
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    @Grey: There’s really no question that at&t never intended for the commercial to be seen as referring to PJs. The people who called the sleepewear company asking about the at&t ad are of their rockers.

    Anyhow, I wanna start a musical genre called “cool jams,” because, again, who could be against such a thing?

  45. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @royce!: @Steve: BTW, this may make me a 14-year-old girl, but I love the new Bruno Mars CD.

  46. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Something else you might be able to use.

    @royce!: Wouldn’t the excreable ‘slow jam’ genre be the same thing?

  47. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Grey: I’m heading to karaoke later tonight in hopes of getting some. Being an alcoholic and trying to get laid are scary similar.

  48. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Karaoke?

    @royce!: I think we need to do an intervention.

  49. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Steve: You gotta go where the ladies are, man!

  50. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Might be time to bust out the cooking class again.

  51. royce! says:
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    I’ve been thinking lately about Cain constantly frustrating BABIP and LOB based expectations. I don’t know very much about randomness and statistics, but is it really impossible for a player to just continue to be lucky for more than one season? I mean, it’s unlikely that a pitcher could post a .260 BABIP and a LOB% over 75 for an entire season. It’s also unlikely that the pitcher would do it two years in a row. But is it really so unlikely that we shouldn’t expect a pitcher to do so once in a while? It seems that given that randomness plays into BABIP and LOB%, we should actually expect one or two pitchers to be lucky for more than a year in a row. Which is another way of saying that I don’t think we have any reason to think that Cain will do it again next year. He could, but I’m still not buying it.

  52. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Grey: Actually, since we’re talking about nothing and everything, this is pretty funny. So after the Halloween party, I brought a girl back home. To mix sports analogies, I’d get to 2nd base then get the Heisman. So I decided to stop pressing and go to sleep. But she starts talking about how she’s hungry. I’m like, Make whatever, there’s the kitchen. Literally five minutes later, my fire alarm is going off and the entire place is filled with smoke. Ah, yes. Good times.

    @royce!: Yeah, I’m not 100% confident in him either.

  53. royce! says:
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    @Grey: It really is amazing how much you know about fantasy baseball, being a 14-year old girl and all. Bruno Mars? Wow.

    Good luck with the karaoke, though. You have a default jam?

    @Steve: Nah, but cool jams and yacht rock might overlap. Hall and Oates are surely cool jams.

  54. royce! says:
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    @Grey: “Make whatever, there’s the kitchen”? Classy!

    Funny story, though.

  55. Steve says:
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    @royce!: OK – I’m on board with cool jams now.

    @Grey: That’s awesome. Now she’s telling all her friends that Grey Albright is smokin’.

    I’d never heard of The Heisman (I know about THE Heisman, obviously), but I like it. The one I’m more familiar with for describing rejection, being fired etc is The Spanish Archer.

    Why The Spanish Archer?

    El Bow.

  56. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @royce!: Usually Jesse’s Girl, but I’ll throw out the occasional Bon Jovi.

    @Steve: The Spanish Archer, nice. Will add that into my lexicon.

  57. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Bad Medicine?

    Jessie’s Girl is an angst-ridden performance, I hope.

  58. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Steve: Living On A Prayer… To give you an idea of my singing skills, I was once gonged while singing Laverne and Shirley’s theme song, Schemeel, Schlemazel. What’s that song, 2 minutes long? That’s how long it took. And they had to go into the basement of the bar to get the gong.

  59. Steve says:
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    @Grey: I briefly sang in a band once. Just a bunch of friends at university. We played at a few friends 21st birthday parties, but nothing more.

    Was good fun, though. Can’t actually sing – just couldn’t play an instrument.

  60. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Steve: Nice! The Plucky Kiwis?

  61. big o says:
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    @Grey:

    that’s the way life is .

    if you had brought a girl home from cooking class ,
    your bathtub would have over-flowed .

  62. Steve says:
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    @Grey: We didn’t even think enough of ourselves to have a name!

    We just sang covers. One of the guys had written a song that he wanted to do, but it was shit. Though he did own most of the equipment, so we at least had to practice it.

    If I recall, things started to unravel right about the time we thought we might actually be half-decent.

  63. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @big o: Ha!

    @Steve: That’s very funny. Even The Quadratics had their own song…

  64. royce! says:
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    @Steve: Was the last straw that they wanted to cover “We Built This City”?

  65. royce! says:
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    I had to run an errand. Did I miss anything more in the game than time passing?

  66. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @royce!: This could be the quickest World Series game ever. (I didn’t research that, I’m just saying it’s going very fast.)

  67. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Had to Google it, but ha!

    I like to think we made (You Gotta) Fight for Your Right (To Party!) ours, in our own special way.

    @royce!: Oh, that would have brought things to a cataclysmic conclusion, for sure. But no, we were much cooler than that ;-)

  68. royce! says:
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    @Grey: Game 2 in 2001 was played in two hours and 35 minutes.

  69. royce! says:
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    But that’s all I could find. Not sure what the shortest game was.

  70. Steve says:
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    @royce!: Me neither, but in trying to find out I learned that Mitch Moreland can throw 93 mph.

  71. royce! says:
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    @Steve: Did they try to convince him to become a pitcher? I vaguely recall that…because he was blocked by Smoak and Davis.

  72. Steve says:
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    @royce!: According to the article, they thought about it.

    Might have mentioned this before, but he looks real comfortable at the plate. Like a good golfer gripping a golf club or a great pool player wielding a cue, you can just tell they’re a natural at what they do.

  73. Steve says:
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    Here it is, Pat. Show us what you’re made of.

  74. royce! says:
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    Grey you should karaoke “Sara Smile” by Hall and Oates. No lady could possibly resist such smooth words sung softly by mustachioed man.

  75. Steve says:
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    @Steve: Yup, that’s what you’re made of.

    @royce!: “The shortest length for a single game during the World Series was 1: 25 on October 14, 1908 (at Detroit) between the Detroit Tigers and Chicago Cubs.”

  76. big o says:
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    @Steve:

    you are what you eat .

    1/2 special K

    and the other half ….

  77. royce! says:
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    @Steve: Kinda like the polar opposite of Youk, then?

  78. Grey

    Grey says:
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    Wow, the Renteria death blow. Wowo.

  79. Steve says:
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    @royce!: Ha – there’s an exception that proves my rule!

  80. Steve says:
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    Renteria. You’re kidding me.

  81. royce! says:
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    Whoa. Renteria, Uribe, Sanchez and Huff, SF World Series heroes? Is Disney gonna make a movie about this team?

  82. VinWins

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    Besides that 85-minute game, the 1908 World Series also had a 90-minute and 95-minute game.

  83. royce! says:
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    @Steve: That’s definitely short, but there’s gotta be at least an hour of commercials these days. Or at least it feels like it.

  84. Steve says:
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    Haven’t heard much out of Cliff Lee Facts lately.

  85. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @VinWins: Thanks for the research!

    @Steve: Ha

    @royce!: True about commercials.

    @royce!: You know the one person more upset than the Rangers about Renteria shining? Orlando Cabrera…

  86. fitz says:
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    Rangers sure picked a bad time for their bats to go ice cold. I mean Young, Hamilton, Vlad, Cruz, Kinsler should be blasting the ball. Or maybe I am bitter my spring training pick to win it all is about to fall just short. :-(

  87. royce! says:
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    @Steve: Matt Wieters Facts either. Best way to cool someone seems to be to create a Facts site about them. I’m gonna go do that for the AG that I’ll be arguing against tomorrow…

  88. royce! says:
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    Whoa Nellie!

  89. fitz says:
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    There my baby cruz missile!

  90. royce! says:
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    @Grey: Yeah Cabrera’s probably pretty pissed. Going 1 for 8 in the playoffs probably doesn’t help either.

  91. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @fitz: Yeah, definitely picked a bad time to go cold.

    @royce!: I like that idea, someone start the Jose Bautista Facts site.

    @big o: That’s Spanish Fly right there.

  92. Steve says:
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    @Grey: And if that doesn’t work, there are some beauties in the ‘Suggestions’ down the right-hand side.

    I was a kid in the 70s and I remember a LOT of those.

  93. royce! says:
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    @Grey: If you can pull off McDonald, you gotta bring it.

  94. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Steve: It’s weird how easy listening isn’t all that easy to listen to.

    @royce!: I open the song with, “This is Mcdonald, and you’re lovin’ it!”

  95. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Maybe a little something from The Eagles?

    Doesn’t get much more LA than that.

  96. big o says:
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    @Grey:

    i’d stick with the loggins .

    by the time you get to “a california life alone …”
    there better be some sympathy tears in that audience .

    “oh that poor guy . someone must have hurt him , real bad .”

  97. Grey

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    @Steve: The Dude made it cool to not like the Eagles.

    @big o: This one is from Loggins, and I want your pity… Hit it, DJ.

  98. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Can’t argue with The Dude, I suppose.

  99. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @royce!: @Steve: @big o: re: Burrell asking if the pitch he swung at is a strike… Mark Grace once told the anecdote that an ump told him, “It was after you swung.”

  100. Steve says:
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    @Grey: That’s awesome!

    Kind of appropriate that Pat’s WS involvement should end that way.

    I wonder if ‘the costume’ will come out tonight.

  101. Steve says:
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    That drops Hamnilton to .100 for the series. The heart of the Rangers order has been AWFUL in the Series.

  102. Steve says:
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    Thank you and goodnight.

  103. big o says:
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    well ,
    they deserved it .

  104. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Steve: Awful, for sure.

    @big o: Yeah, and the Rangers hitting lost it.

  105. big o says:
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    nice to see that they did it without balco .

  106. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Go forth and conquer at the bar.

    Sing with me, sing for the year
    Sing for the laugh, sing for the tear

  107. royce! says:
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    @Grey: Ha! Burn on Burrell and his WS ring! Take that, PtB!

  108. Steve says:
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    @royce!: What happened?

    BTW, PtB was 0-13 with 11 Ks in the series!

  109. royce! says:
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    What a horribly boring series. By my count (off the top of my head, so it might not be all that accurate), there was ONE lead change all series, and it took place in game 1. I had such high hopes, though I have no idea why.

  110. Howard says:
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    Let’s hear it for the shmohawks!

  111. royce! says:
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    @Steve: I was just saying burn on him for the Grace anecdote. But also burn on him for 0-13 with 11 Ks.

  112. Steve says:
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    @royce!: Oh gotcha.

    Still, when all’s said and done, he’s got a WS ring. Imagine being able to take THAT to the karaoke.

  113. ThE sHiT says:
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    @Grey: Where did u go karaoke?

  114. ThE sHiT says:
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    @Grey: Where’s that?

  115. ThE sHiT says:
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    @Grey: Looks koo. How did u fare at the plate?

  116. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @ThE sHiT: It was a Monday night. I should’ve stayed in. Was me, my friend and like two other people.

  117. ThE sHiT says:
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    @Grey: Oh ok, well there’s always next time. I saw they have some good beers on tap. What did u drink?

  118. Swagger Jackers says:
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    Is Latos going to be a top 20 pitcher next season?

  119. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Let me guess – the other two people were actually there for the karaoke?
    What a shame. I’m sure royce!, o and I had sent you out the door in a frenzy.

  120. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Steve: Yup… The worst are the people that are actually there to sing, like they’re good.

  121. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Ah well. At least the fire risk at the Chateau Albright remains at low for another day.

  122. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Steve: Small victories, for sure.

  123. Swagger Jackers says:
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    @ Grey – So If Latos isn’t top 20, am I better off keeping Kendry Morales for $3 than Latos for $1?

  124. Swagger Jackers says:
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    @Grey – Why do you hate Kendry so much? Isn’t he good for 25+ homers with a decent average?

  125. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Swagger Jackers: I don’t want to say keep a guy that just missed two-thirds of a season. If you can wait until February/March to decide, that could change. I don’t hate him and, yes, 25+ and a decent average are possible.

  126. Grey

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    @Swagger Jackers: Should say, I don’t want to say keep a guy that just missed two-thirds of a season over a pitcher with a sub-3.00 ERA and more than a K/IP.

  127. Swagger Jackers says:
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    @Grey: That makes sense. You want to see how he recovered from the injury before deciding what to do with him. At least Latos didn’t make it to the post season to have even more inning to worry about.

    There is no rush for me to make a decision on the keeper. Who do you think will cost more in an auction league next season?

  128. Swagger Jackers says:
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    Then if I’m interpreting you correctly, you want me to keep Kendry Morales, right?

  129. Swagger Jackers says:
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    CUST KIDDING

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