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I’m gonna turn the top 20 outfielders for 2013 fantasy baseball to 100, because I love you as much as someone who has never met someone else can love someone.  More than a top college athlete could love a non-existent girl.  I’m sure this has been said before, but as a top college athlete you can get basically any girl you want (that’s whether or not the college athlete is a male or female).  If you really want a girl in another state, not only can you afford to fly the girl to you with illegal handouts, but, if you’re the girl, you fly to see your athlete boyfriend because he’s about to become a millionaire.  You find time.  I mean, this is the most unbelievable story since the Catfish guys said their story was nonfiction.  Not to mention, the pictures the kook was using in Catfish weren’t even of a girl that attractive.  Before all of that, I would’ve said spoiler alert, but the movie’s five years old, you should’ve seen it already.  Pull yourself away from your computer and watch some TV!  Now, it’s only fair I turn the outfielders up to 100, since I’ve turned the top 20 catchers for 2013 fantasy baseball to 26 and the top 20 1st basemen for 2013 fantasy baseball to 42 and the top 20 2nd basemen for 2013 fantasy baseball to 33; the top 20 shortstops for 2013 fantasy baseball to 35 and the top 20 3rd basemen for 2013 fantasy baseball to 32.  All the 2013 fantasy baseball rankings are there.  As always, my tiers and projections are included.  Anyway, here’s the top 20 outfielders for 2013 fantasy baseball:

1. Ryan Braun – I went over Braun’s projections in the top 10 for 2013 fantasy baseball.

2. Andrew McCutchen – I went over McCutchen’s projections in the top 10 for 2013 fantasy baseball.

3. Mike Trout – I went over Trout’s projections in the top 10 for 2013 fantasy baseball.

4. Giancarlo Stanton – I went over Giancarlo’s projections in the top 10 for 2013 fantasy baseball.

5. Justin Upton – I went over Upton’s projections in the top 10 for 2013 fantasy baseball.

6. Carlos Gonzalez – I went over CarGo’s projections in the top 20 for 2013 fantasy baseball.

7. Adam Jones – I went over Adam Jones’s projections in the top 20 for 2013 fantasy baseball.

8. Matt Kemp – I went over Kemp’s projections in the top 20 for 2013 fantasy baseball.

9. Josh Hamilton – I went over Hamilton’s projections in the top 20 for 2013 fantasy baseball.

10. Jose Bautista – I went over Bautista’s projections in the top 20 for 2013 fantasy baseball.

11. Adrian Gonzalez – I went over Gonzalez’s projections in the top 20 for 2013 fantasy baseball.

12. Matt Holliday – Phew!  I wasn’t sure if I would ever get out of those other already-projected outfielders.  Oh, man, you made it here, but there’s still some people clicking the links above.  We have to wait for them.  *scratches chin, makes a burping sound with hand under armpit, downloads a song by King Fantastic*  Okay, we need to move on.  They’ll catch up.  This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Heyward.  I call this tier, “You’re still getting a top outfielder, but these young brothers have a few more issues.”  Well, not young young.  Hey, Matt Holliday!  He’s been a top fifteen outfielder for the last five years minus 2011.  If you’re predicting a step backwards like Kanye’s last album, you’re just guessing.  BTW, in ten years, we’ll see the moment that Kanye rhymed “visit” with “Scott Disick” as the point when he began the slow, inevitable creative decline.  Someone getting their Master’s in something useful like Urban Studies of the Modern Hip-Hop Man is probably writing a thesis on this.  A chapter title in their thesis is, “Kim K. Needs to be Stopped, Can’t Amber Rose Put Wiz On Hold and Throw Kanye a Bone?”  2013 Projections:  92/26/100/.304/5

13. Jay Bruce – Rudy’s working on a H2H master rankings of streakiness.  There’s some kinks he still needs to work out.  We were talking on the phone about it — we talk, y’all! — and he asked me to name the guys that came in at the top of streakiness.  I said Ty Wigginton, Luke Scott and, of course, Jay Bruce.  I was wrong, wrong and right.  The results might have been skewed slightly for the first two because last year they were just bad without any real streak of good.  Jay Bruce was a no brainer, which is my specialty.  He wasn’t at the top of the list, but he’s way above average for streakiness.  Keep this in mind if you draft him.  There’s gonna be moments, like whole months, where you’re wondering why you drafted him.  Then there will be months when you’re rappelling to George Washington’s philtrum on Mt. Rushmore, screaming BRUUUUUUUCE!  2013 Projections:  95/35/105/.259/7

14. Shin-Soo Choo – Yes, I more or less want every Reds hitter.  For the last five years (and really every year of its existence), Great American Ballpark has averaged a top five finish for homers allowed.  If you draft hitters in good lineups who play in good hitters’ parks and pitchers in pitchers’ parks, you won’t finish worst than third in your fantasy league11No actual data compiled for that, but it sounds right22Matthew Berry has made a career of this type of statistical analysis33I already went over my Shin-Shoo Choo 2013 fantasy4. 4The Illinois State Fair is fun in theory, but depressing in reality5. 5Not an actual David Foster Wallace footnote but sounds like one.  2013 Projections:  108/23/79/.296/20

15. Jason Heyward – He ended last year 12th overall for outfielders, according to our Fantasy Baseball Player Rater.  So he basically just needs to repeat last year and be worth this draft pick.  We’re good with no step forward or backward for Heyward, you heard?  So let’s look at last year to see if he can repeat.  He had 27 homers.  His 16.9 HR/FB% was a tad high, but repeatable.  The rising K-rate and falling walk rate aren’t great, but as long as he can maintain those ratios he hits .269 again.  If he takes a small step forward, he hits .280.  His 21 steals last year are the absolute peak.  Chances are he loses at least 5 steals, maybe ten.  In all, I think we’re gonna see a small step backwards, but there’s a chance for more so I say gamble on him.  2013 Projections:  87/25/94/.262/10

16. Bryce Harper – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until the top 40 outfielders for 2013 fantasy baseball.  I call this tier, “You could get a number one outfielder or flop, plop, nothing.”  BTW, “Flop, plop, nothing” would also be my advertising jingle for a laxative.  I was surprised — pleasantly — that Rudy said that one player he’d reach for this year was Harper.  That’s a big step for someone who prides himself on safe fantasy draft picks like Neil Walker.  I think Harper can be a major bust — not like Billy Butler — but none of his numbers are pointing in that direction so I’m jumping on the hype wagon, if he falls to me here, which he probably won’t.  Hey, hedger, hedge much?  A guy that can hit 20+ homers and 20 bases over the course of the season, can only be so bad for fantasy.  A guy that is 20 years old that can go 20/20 is too talented to be too down on.  2013 Projections:  102/25/69/.261/22

17. B.J. Upton – When he went to the Braves, I said this, “Now when B.J. is coming up to the plate, fans can do The Tomahawk Chop by turning their hand towards their lap rather than towards the field.  Don’t act that out at work, you will get fired.  B.J.!  The Sideways Tomahawk Chop… B.J.!  The Sideways Tomahawk Chop… I don’t see anything different from Upton in Atlanta.  He is the kind of player that would be the same in just about every lineup/ballpark.  His Home/Away splits over the last three years are .239 vs. .245 average, 33 homers vs. 36 homers and .750 vs. .755 OPS.  You’d be hard pressed to find a player that similar depending on his environs, you’d also have to be pretty bored to try and find said player.  BTW, if you write environs, you’re smart.  If you say environs out loud, you’re a giant tool.  Don’t shoot the messenger.”  And that’s me quoting me!  2013 Projections:  90/25/72/.255/39

18. Desmond Jennings – Unlike Ellsbury and Grandy, who we will get to, Desmond is headed in the right direction.  His numbers should look like B.J. Upton’s, but he’s two years younger.  The third full year in the majors is when things start to click.  This will be Desmond’s third full year.  He’s also hitting the prime of his career at 26 years old.  I doubt we get an average over .270, more than 20 homers or 40 steals, but they are all within his sights.  It’s going to be a good year to own Jennings.  I think he’s going to make the jump to the 2nd round overall next year.  2013 Projections:  92/17/59/.262/35

19. Jacoby Ellsbury – The good news is this is the last time we’re gonna have to look at Ellsbury in the top 20 outfielders if he fails to deliver.  The bad news is there’s a real chance that he could fail again.  He had 4 homers last year.  That was in 323 plate appearances.  Sure, there was an injury, but this is the 2nd time in three years an injury has destroyed his value.  Last year, his injuries were a shoulder injury, a “leg situation,” and an “undisclosed” shoulder injury that obviously was “disclosed” because I just read about it.  Imagine Dragons would call his DL history radioactive.  This year he’ll be 29 years old and the power may still be there, but anything over 40 steals is a pipe dream like Bubbles’ memories of Sherrod.  A guy very capable of 15 homers and 35 steals still has it in him to be a number one outfielder, but, like when your male Labradoodle is always humping other male dogs, the question marks are mounting.  2013 Projections:  89/14/64/.286/35

20. Yoenis Cespedes – He could easily repeat his 2012, but, honestly, I have no idea if that’s his ability level.  All signs from Cuba were pointing to him having a lower average, but he didn’t strikeout much, showing solid discipline.  His biggest question mark is his lack of a track record.  Last year, he was great, but the year before he was tapping Fidel Castro on his right shoulder, then running left out of the room.  “I think someone just tapped my shoulder but it takes me thirty-five seconds to turn my head because of my giant beard, so I missed them.”  That’s Fidel talking to his favorite bartender, Pablo Mixologo.  2013 Projections:  82/25/95/.281/15

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  1. Roddie says:
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    I owned Jay Bruce last year in a H2H league. I got a bye in the playoffs, and during the bye my team hit 21 home runs. In the semis, they hit 7. So you should warn your readers that Jay Bruce is a leader in the fantasy clubhouse. And like all good leaders, the clubhouse takes on his personality.

    • catatafish says:
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      @Roddie: Why do you play in a head to head league

      • DansUggla says:
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        @catatafish:

        Why not? Is playing in multiple leagues And multiple formats banned? Did obama sneak that past me?

        • JoeC says:
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          @DansUggla: But then why complain about how your team hit a bushel of home runs one week and went on the grapefruit power diet the next? Seems like you’re trying to have it both ways. You’re not trying to have it both ways, are you?! :)

          Actually, I believe Obama is trying to legalize having it both ways, if you catch my meaning. [nudge][nudge]

          • Steve says:
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            @JoeC: Complaining about Bruce’s streakiness when you own him in H2H is a perfectly legitimate pursuit.

            • JoeC says:
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              @Steve: Hell, I complain about his streakiness in ROTO, so I’m the one who’s the real pantywaist. :)

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Roddie: From sea to shining sea, Bruce delivers at least half of the time…

      • Steve says:
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        @Grey: That half of the time when he delivers, being when I bench him.

  2. Steve says:
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    Of all the already projected outfielders, only Giancarlo is called by his first name.

    I see you, Grey Albright!

    BTW, it feels like we’re starting to see more reliable OFs. Not the 30/100/.300 Carlos Lee types from days of yore, but y’ know? Or is it just me?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Steve: Carlos Lee was pretty locked in there for a while… As with most of basebal,l we’re seeing less 35 HRs, 7 steal guys and more 25 HRs, 15 steal guys…

    • JoeC says:
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      @Steve: Outfield actually seems shallow to me this year, assuming you play in a 5 OF/1 U league.

  3. KCC26 says:
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    Choo’s projection looks pretty similar to kemps (place in batting order aside). Obviously there are risk/reward differences but would you rather keep kemp with a 2nd round pick or choo with a 6th?

    • Tony says:
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      @KCC26: yeah but kemps ceiling and choo’s ceiling? we’re talking 20/20 and 40/40….. HUGE DIFFERENCE.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @KCC26: Yeah, agree with Tony… I’d go Kemp…

      • Garrsh says:
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        @Grey:

        I love choo and draft him every year. I know he was injured last year and is playing in a much better lineup and ball park but I Still do not see how you get those projections especailly if he is batting lead off. Do you think you can expand on how you got these?

        btw huge fan of the blog

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Thanks for the kind words! Well, I gave him 108/23/79/.296/20… In a crappy lineup, he got 88 runs and he’s always had a solid OBP… A solid OBP on top of a great lineup in a great park, gets you around 105… He’s a 20-homer guy in a neutral park… Ballpark gives him three… Doesn’t see outlandish… His average will get a boost with the better park… The one category that seems aggressive is RBIs if he is indeed leading off… I don’t think he will for the whole year… Cozart had 400+ ABs in lead off last year and Dusty doesn’t care about OBP… I believe Choo will hit 2nd the majority of the time with Phillips moving down, and Ludwick ultimately getting the short end of the stick… Of course, if my premonition is wrong, Choo will only get 60-ish RBIs…

          • Garrsh says:
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            @Grey:

            Hey grey! Thanks for that explanation it really helped! I will once again be targeting big leauge choo in my pools this year. I love how u have him ahead of hey ward and some other outfielders cause I think a lot of ppl will sleep on him ! But could be wrong

  4. samsdad says:
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    Word Grey. I had to read this list a few times, and even now as i’m typing this, I’m sure my ‘stache wax is in my eyes, but I’m not seeing how Adrian Gonzalez cracks the Top 20 OF list!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @samsdad: Mind over matter? It’s because of his 1st base eligibility…

  5. Salty Balty says:
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    Two issues with the writeup today:

    (1) It’s been about a week since Kemp’s chest tattoo of grandmama and papa were revealed and . . . nothing. It’s like you’re ignoring the Mona Lisa of athlete chest art!

    (2) “Flop, plop, nothing” doesn’t work for laxatives – the whole point is to have a “flop, plop, and then something” right?

    Great work as always. I’m a bit surprised you have Choo above Heyward. I’d flip them based on (a) the Dusty Baker factor – never know what the toothpick is gonna tell him to do (b) Heyward’s pedigree seems to indicate that last year was his baseline. Not too much of a gripe, I just wasn’t ready to start working yet.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Salty Balty: 1) I think Grammy Chest Tattoo might just become his nickname or it’s gotta work it’s way into the glossary… 2) Yeah, it does. “Bill, what happened in there?” “Flop, plop, nothing.” “Then you gotta try Grey’s Laxatives!” “Flop, plop, nothing…No more!”

  6. MAOooohLaLa says:
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    Hey, G….is Austin Jackson ever gonna develop into a 20/20 guy?? 16HR/12SB just isn’t really cutting it for me…let the kid run. I don’t care if he’s got big boppers behind him…don’t they know my fantasy baseball stats are at stake?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @MAOooohLaLa: If half of every player’s salary was dependent on fantasy baseballers, they’d know…

    • steve b says:
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      @MAOooohLaLa: Leyland thinks stealing is evil.If Jackson steals second and the number two hitter makes an out then he thinks they’ll walk Cabrera .But with Fielder and now V-Mart batting behind him Leylands fear makes no sense.But what great speed Cabrera,Fielder,and V Mart have.Talk about clogging the bases with3 straight batters.I agree.Let A Jax run.He has great speed

  7. Vacation says:
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    Grey,

    In your top 10 you have the Dread Pirate above Trout. Here they are flipped. What am I missing?

    • Vacation says:
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      Also, but unrelated, you have AuShizz ranked 19th overall but in response to a question in one of the comments either yesterday or the day before you indicated that you prefer Rizzo over AuShizz over the next 5 years. Did I read that correctly?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Vacation: I goofed in copying, good catch… I fixed it… I love Rizzo’s long term upside and don’t think they’re going to be a big enough difference this year to warrant throwing away 4 other years of Rizzo…

  8. mikey boy says:
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    grey better keeper austin jackson or rizzo?

  9. Ferga says:
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    I thought this was a top 100? Where are the other 80?

    • centerfieldballhawk says:
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      @Ferga: Check back tomorrow for the top 40 outfielders, and so on.

      • Ferga says:
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        @centerfieldballhawk: Ahh, gotcha. The fantasy crack method, keeping me coming back for more.

  10. AJ Leight says:
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    If Cespedes continues on the same path and improves upon his 2012 numbers, where on this list- if at all- does he fall? I realize his ceiling may not be as high as many of the elite, due to a heavy dose of strikeouts and a limited speed potential, but I’d think a .285 average, 30 HR and 15 – 20 SB campaign would have him above some of the names, no?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @AJ Leight: He’s coming tomorrow…

      • Aaron James says:
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        @Grey: Thanks. I was just meaning I’d slot him above certain guys in the mid-to-late teens. Overall though I agree with much of what you have here and appreciate the work you put into it.

        OT question – What are the chances Leonys Martin starts hitting in the majors the way he has been hitting in the minors? Assuming, of course, he gets 500+ PA and the Rangers don’t snag Bourn. Are you drafting him or Bourjos as a wildcard bench pick?

  11. doghat666 says:
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    12 team, 5×5 roto, which side would you rather have for 2013:
    Yu Darvish, Jeff Samardzija & Joe Nathan, or
    Cliff Lee, Wilin Rosario & Dan Straily

    • Jash says:
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      @doghat666: personally I’d want the former…

    • Steve says:
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      I would say the Cliff Lee side is the better deal. I think he’s the best player of all of them by a fairly wide margin.

  12. Mike says:
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    gonzalez is elig at of?

  13. Mike says:
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    gonzalez is elig at of?

    • Aaron James says:
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      @Mike: Not in most leagues.

  14. Gus says:
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    I TOO worry about CHOO (love the sound of that). He has let me down in the past when we all thought he was a SHOOE in to be an ideal 5 TOOL player. Grey, Will he be healthy for one hundred and sixty TWOO?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Gus: If health is on his side, he will have a huge year… I can’t predict health… He’s healthy now…

  15. Joe says:
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    So did I make a huge mistake trading Fielder and Wright for Harper, Goldschmidt and Beltran in a dynasty league (no salary/year restrictions)?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Joe: No

  16. TJ says:
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    Two keeper questions:
    1- Would you rather one year of Kemp or three years of Cano?
    2- Pick one keeper for H2H- Allen Craig, Jeff Samradzija, Kris Medlen.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @TJ: 1. Cano 2. Craig

      • Aaron James says:
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        @Grey: J think Cano is the obvious choice, and I would definitely go Medlen for question #2. I like Craig, but he’ll be hurt by May. Samardzija is exciting, but with Houston leaving the division, and the year Medlen put up, I couldn’t pass him up.

  17. Big Magoo

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    I don’t think that I’ve ever been more surprised by one of your rankings than with that of Choo. I assume you believe that he’ll significantly cut his ks this year from 150 last year? The BA projection seems a bit high to me, not to mention that players who switch leagues usually experience some type of adjustment period (see Pujols, Albert). At least at the draft you can say that you choo-choo-choose him (and enjoy the sound of crickets afterwards). I’m with Rudy on Harper – I think that you’ve projected his floor, while his ceiling is in Braun territory, even though that’s probably a few years away.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Big Magoo: Yeah, could be with Harper, but he’s too young for me to assume he’s going to make a huge step forward… Choo’s Ks haven’t been skyrocketing…Neutral, he’s a .285 hitter…

      • Big Magoo

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        @Grey: Just surprised about Choo cause you haven’t been big on him in the past. For what it’s worth, I think the lineup helps him a little, but the park won’t do anything for the type of player he is. I’m thinking a Pedroia-line, just in the OF. I guess that’s what an early-round pick looks like in thirteen-after-twenty. Sigh…

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yeah, I haven’t loved him before, but me likey in Cincy… Yup, in 13-after-20 it doesn’t take much…

  18. Randy BoBandy says:
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    This has nothing to do with OF’s…but isn’t it surprising (to a degree) that Lohse still hasn’t been signed? He can’t be THAT bad can he?!

    • Aaron James says:
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      @Randy BoBandy: I honestly don’t think he’s bad at all. Not an ace, and maybe he wants a little too much money, but I think the reason, in part, he’s still sitting there is that he wants a 3 or 4 year deal and teams are hesitant to give him $40M+ when he’ll be 38 at the end of it.

    • Big Magoo

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      @Randy BoBandy: I’ve read that any team that signs him would be forced to give up their first-round draft pick. I think that’s the real reason…

  19. Brian says:
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    Hi Grey,

    I have the first pick in my minors draft for a keeper league with minor keepers. The highest guy on the board that is available is Carlos Correa. From everything you see, do you think he is worth picking up now? I dont mind waiting the 2-3 years it will take to develop him. Just asking for another opinion on his long term skills. I know that there is always risk when a guy is this early in his career. But the fact that he is rated top 30 already at age 17 is impressive.

    Whats your thoughts?

    Thanks,

    Brian

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Brian: He looks like the real deal as of right now, he’s so far away though anything can happen… I’d take him and hold him for two years if you can…

    • Aaron James says:
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      @Brian: If Zunino is there I’d take him over Correa.

  20. OaktownSteve says:
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    Choo had the 17th lowest percentage of flyballs among qualified players at 27% last year. If he’s going to benefit from playing in the better park this year he’ll need to hit a few more balls in the air. That being said, he’s always been a good looking ballplayer. He’s been a line drive machine. He’s a .290 career hitter even with the lousy 2011 in the mix. I’m kind of feeling Albright on this one. It’s interesting because in past this site has been pretty blah towards Choo and seen him, rightly, as having less power upside that he was getting credit for elsewhere. Sticking him the leadoff spot is probably as significant as the team change. I don’t see him quite cracking 20 hrs, but I would not be surprised to see him get closer to 30 steals and definitely scoring 100 runs and hitting .300.

    The thing that did it for me with Harper, and I’m sure I’m not alone on this, is when he got plunked by Hammels and the stole home and after the game Hammels was spouting a line of crap and Harper was so veteran: “he’s a great pitcher, that’s part of the game” blah blah. He’s going to go so high it’s hard for me to believe I’ll own him this year, but I am a believer in the talent, that’s for sure.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @OaktownSteve: Hear ya on both… I think Choo can crack 20 homers, but even if he doesn’t get there, like you say he’s going to give you a decent amount of everything… Yup on Harper too, too much hype for him this year, unfortunately, though it is likely we see him jump to the end of the first round next year as he performs again…

      • OaktownSteve says:
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        @Grey:

        Who knows…maybe Harper takes a step forward and he’s worth the early pick. Plenty to like for sure. I’m feeling the love for BJ, myself…and coincidnetally…

        Ever heard the short order restaurant term “86”? Like nix the order or 86 the special when you run out? True story, Mrs. Oaktown Steve is a modern day Gracie Allen. We took the kids out to dinner last night and she ordered the boy a meatball then she decided she wanted to get him chicken instead and she told the waitress to “69 the meatball”. God Iove that woman.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Hahahaha… Too bad it wasn’t a sausage and meatballs…

        • Simply Fred

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          @OaktownSteve: Can’t quit chuckling… :-)

  21. Wilsonian says:
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    Better keeper in H2H where we get to keep them 4-Eva:

    Bruce or Hamilton?

    I can’t really trust either one for sure. I always worry that Bruce will go on a hiatus for awhile and become useless, but then Joshy always makes me think that he could go on a bender and literally disappear.

  22. junker23 says:
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    Beej hitting .255? He’s hit .242 over the last four seasons. NOT BUYING IT.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @junker23: He needs to get his BABIP up a tad, and with his speed it could happen… Not a lock for it, of course… I’m a bit of a sucker for B.J.’s tool set, hmm, that sounds weird…

    • Aaron James says:
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      @junker23: When a guy has a legitimate shot at 30 HR and 40 SBs you can easily forgive an average around .250. That’s like saying you’re not buying Miggy Cabrera because he doesn’t steal 30 bases a year. They both contribute terrific numbers at 3+ categories, so you’re missing out if you’re scared away by a mediocre average. I’d much rather have the 25/40 with a .250 than 20/15 with a .300

    • JoeC says:
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      @junker23: But his lifetime batting average is… .255. Also, he batted .246 last year, so .255 doesn’t seem horribly out of reach. He had 26 less walks in 2012 than 2011… if he gets back to walking a bit more, he could easily hit above .250.

  23. HUH???? Are we all suppose to disappear and/or die now??? And then we get the Top 100??? Confused and hurt here…

    Seriously, Mr. Gray; I fear, you are taking these recently displayed “tentativest” tendencies of yours over the top …

    Just so you know, “I’m not that kind of a metrosexual and I doubt many of your other fantasy BB pen pals on here are either !!!” “That” being, the type of posters, you can use and abuse by hoisting us up in a self serving most public display only to be round-filed without a thought to our collective feelings as you move onto greatness.. Harsh!!!

    I will continue this post, hoping, you find a way to get a grip on your personal life – or at least, find a way to leave us – your loyal readers – out of it in the future…

    All the above, past… How did you leave Cespedes off that list… A BIG LAPSE IMO

    On OFers in general:

    1: They can be sirens.. Drawing you in – only to have your team cast upon the rocky shoals of fantasy BB with the rest of the leagues also rans… Part 2 of 1: If you ignore them – by tying yourself to the mast and plugging your ears to their song… It can be too late and you wind up without any (good ones) – and on the rocky shoals anyways… I hate OFers… The end of their song is death..*** Harrison -paraphrased

    2: There are so darn many of them… Whose to know??? ((Have you ever used your typing team of monkeys to throw darts to pick them at draft??))

    3: The split season lesser wonders; Ala 2012’s Reddick, Aohi and Gomez last year… How does one identify them in a puddle filled with other likely polliwogs?? Part 2 of 3: Knowing when to toss them back into the puddle???…

    4: Finding a good tout, who has the courage to list them all during the hot stove season – not just 20!!!

    5: “Of all creatures that breathe and move upon the earth, nothing is bred that is weaker than man.” ? Homer, The Odyssey – That is certainly true of me – hopefully, not of you too -when it comes selecting OFers.. Pitchers frighten me less!!!!..

    6: And perhaps worst of all, Mr Miyagi thinks he’s an expert on them… A real problem for our franchise…

    Mr Gray: Please, list your top 100… I’m groveling… Help us!!!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      There will be a top 40 tomorrow, top 60, top 80 then top 100… If we’re lucky and the Mayans don’t make any comeback predictions, maybe I’ll combine the top 80 and top 100 so we can get through these rankings before Opening Day… Cespedes is coming shortly… Patience, my pretty… Also, same with Gomez, Reddick and Aoki… 6. Ha!

  24. Sorry, Who’s not whose… embarrassing, that

  25. Jay B says:
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    Do you agree with the following?….
    10-Team Dynasty, Keeping 15, Standard Scoring plus OPS & CG…
    Keep what I have or swap for one of the guys in parentheses?
    C- (Molina or Montero, M.)
    1B- Ike Davis
    2B- A. Hill
    3B- Longo
    SS- Tulo
    OF- Braun
    OF- Kemp
    OF- Choo
    UTL- Headley
    B- Desmond
    (Marte, LaRoche)

    SP- Shields
    SP- Peavy
    SP- Harrison
    SP- Bailey
    (Garza, A. Sanchez)

    RP- Hanrahan
    RP- Holland
    (Storen, Robertson)

    Figure one of those C will fall to me, or Rosario is also out there.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Garza over Harrison….

    • Aaron James says:
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      @Jay B: I’d keep Yadier over Hanrahan. No doubt about it.

  26. Heynard says:
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    In a 14 team keeper league (draft position not accounted for). Keep Carlos Santana or Heyward? Pretty much both can be a gamble so I’m torn. Heyward would be my 2nd OF

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Heyward

  27. Sidewinder says:
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    Ellsbury, Ellsbury. I smell a second coming of another 5-tool player everyone raved over a few years back……..Grady Sizemore. I know I’m staying far away from Ells on Draft Day and I play in an AL-only league. He still has name recognition in our league and risk is just too high for this owner. Love the site and posts Grey!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks for the kind words!

    • Aaron James says:
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      @Sidewinder: I’m praying more people are dim enough to chalk Ellsbury up to being injury prone.

  28. DKohn says:
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    Who would be the 3 other players next to Donny Baseball on your Mount Rushmore of mustachioed baseball players? (Assuming I’m correct in…assuming Donny Baseball)

    Based on the combination of baseball talent and mustache elegance.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Doesn’t Mount Mustache get built around Rollie Fingers and Goose Goosage?

      • Jack Full of Hate says:
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        @Grey: luis tiant

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          He’s a mustache among spotty lip hair growth… For sure…

      • Jack Full of Hate says:
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        @Grey: what a great question, how does one determine a great stache vs their contributions to the game. Buckner would be great because the thickness of the stauche matched the thickness of the eye brows. Schmidt because you know he was awesome, Keith hernandez, well he is keith hernandez

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          It’s an age old question along with the meaning of life… Keith Hernandez needs to be on the Mount as well…

          • Jack Full of Hate says:
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            @Grey: Im picturing a majestic canyon with one side pitchers and the other side hitters. Rollie, the goose, Tiant and eckersley and for the hitters Keith Hernandez, Davey Lopes, Eddie Murray, and either mattingly or Boggs

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              I think we just need to carve out the Rocky Mountains… We need a wider landscape…

              • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                @Grey: just the section in Montana will work, i mean what else is there in Montana?

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Nothing… No, really, from what I’ve heard at least…

                • Snake Hips says:
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                  I lived in THAT section of the Rockies in Montana about 5 yrs ago. A place called the Bitterroot Valley (Hamilton, MT). Very nice place… A great brewery is there. Also, Huey Lewis has a ranch out there! One time we saw him out at a bar and my buddy asked him if he was Eddie Money. He lost his shizz and cussed us out – No joke. At another point in the night he was basically being escorted out of the bar by bouncers and another patron yelled “IS THE HEART OF ROCK N ROLL STILL BEATING?” Let me tell you there is nothing more funny than an old, drunk and decrepit Heuy Lewis flipping a whole bar off while being bounced out. Apologies for rambling on, just though I’d share.

                  • Grey

                    Grey says:
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                    Great story! That’s the power of…booze!

                    • Snake Hips says:
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                      Huey’s music is, and always will be, on a different level of awesome that will never be touched by anyone. His hair and sport coats scream “I love to party like its my job, because it is.”

                  • JoeC says:
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                    @Snake Hips: Seems like you guys were walking on a thin line by buggin’ Huey. He’s just a normal guy, workin’ for a livin’, with a lot of heart and soul… it’s as simple as that.

                    In a perfect world, picture this: Huey comes in for a beer and you guys talk about sports! How about that? I know you can’t go back in time, but in this small world, we’re all climbing Jacob’s Ladder, so let’s try to err on believing in the power of love, shant we?

                    • Snake Hips says:
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                      Eh, just a drunk celebrity from the 80s who couldn’t take a joke. We weren’t trying to be mean. Things escalated quickly and all of the sudden he looked like a dick. I mean, he got kicked out of the bar later on because he was being a jerk to a server…

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      I love me some Huey, has only made him greater in my eyes…

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Such a good book… Not so much on the movie…

  29. Steve says:
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    Can you give me your floor/ceiling projections for Giancarlo and Bruce. And thanks for leveling my head on AGon. He burned me last year so I was going to stay as far away as possible. Now there is a snowball’s chance in a semi-warm climate I might draft him. Really enjoy your articles… How much time does it take you to write this stuff?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Bruce could hit 40+ homers or 25, .250 or .290…. Giancarlo could hit 50 homers or 30… .240 or .280… Thanks for the kind words! Too long?

  30. Jack Full of Hate says:
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    In the spirit of razzball and human resources, me quoting you “Don’t act that out at work, you will get fired” made me choke on my coffee when i read that. Thanks grey, that one went down the wrong pipe but was well worth it

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha, awesome!

      • Jack Full of Hate says:
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        @Grey: speaking of awesome I have a food question, do you like Indian food and if so got any suggestions, also what was the name of that great peruvian restaraunt you told me about in LA

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          I do like Indian… Suggestions for dishes or restaurants? Chicken Tikka Masala and East India Grill… I think I’m either not able to tell great Indian from good Indian or there’s not much difference between restaurants for Indian… Outside of London, all Indian I have is more than decent but nothing incredible… Mario’s is the Peruvian place that’s cheap and good… Mo Chica is fancy but amazing…

          • Jack Full of Hate says:
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            @Grey: mo chica was the one. Yes London has some amazing Indian food, that where i got hooked when I was living there. We would eat it at least 5 times a week or make a huge curry with all of our spare food between a few of us. Also the best Lebanese food I have ever had, i have found nothing in america as good.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Yeah, nothing is close… Oh! India Sweets and Spices on Venice is also very good… That actually might be the closest to London type Indian… Crazy cheap… You’ll spend more on gas getting there…

              • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                @Grey: I usually do with both my cars being V8’s

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Yeah, I have a V8 too… It’s terrible…

                  • JoeC says:
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                    @Grey: Pontiac Grand Am?

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      I wish… Mercury Cougar… Kidding… An Explorer…

                    • JoeC says:
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                      @JoeC: For some reason, I did not picture you in an Exploder.

                      Sometimes, I guess it’s just better not to know. I shouldn’t have asked! [bites knuckles]

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      I wish…

              • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                @Grey: there is a place on santa monica west of crescent heights that has this amazing tandori fish

                • Steve says:
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                  @Jack Full of Hate: Ohhhh. Forgot about the tandoori. Delicious.

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Hmm… That’s not far from me, not sure I know it…

          • Steve says:
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            @Grey: Chicken or lamb Palakura is great too. And have you tried dahi puri?

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Yeah, all excellent dishes… Cougar doesn’t like Indian food so I’ve been having a hard time having it… But I did get it this weekend when she was in Utah…

  31. Stooler says:
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    Without being harsh I don’t think its going out on a limb in saying that the top 20 outfielders had to be a fairly easy exercise for you. I mean half of your write-ups were already completed and the lot to choose from has to be one of the strongest in quite some time.
    What did you do with all that spare time? Take the woman out for a night on the town, comb the stache, or sit on the phone with Rudy in one of those “No you hang up first, no you,” kind of exchanges.
    Nonetheless, I like Heyward more, Choo less, am Hyped on Harper (rookie keeper league), and think you’re right on with Kemp.
    I’m a little iffy on Jones. What am I not seeing? Is there a chance he just underwhelms? I may just be down on him for some reason. Not B.J. Upton down on him, though.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Well, considering there’s 100 OFs and 100 SPs coming… In the long run, it took longer, but, yes, this post was one of the easier ones… When in doubt, prolly comb the stache…. Jones has the talent to hit 30+ homers and steal 20+ bases… That’s a number one outfielder easily…

  32. anarchy burger says:
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    quick keeper quetion- all thing being equal- b butler or bj upton??? 5×5 12 team mixed 10 man bench….

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Upton

  33. anarchy burger says:
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    jeez grey that was quick- thanks

    one more morrow or medlen- same categories

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Morrow

  34. GT says:
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    BJ Upton is buuuuunk. You draft him. Ks up, steals down, AVG sucks, career homeruns (and September) in a contract year, just got paid, the dude is going to dog it in 2013. Who wouldn’t rather have Pence, Werth, Kubel (Aoki? Crawford? Beltran?) than Junior Bossman.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      All of those outfielders have a lot more issues than Upton…

    • OaktownSteve says:
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      @GT:

      Seriously Werth and Kubel? Could listen to Pence argument but a year in SF doesn’t help. Beltran I like.

      One of the things I think about Bossman is that unlike a lot of those Tampa guys, he never seemed to drink the kool-aid that the Hoodie Muppet (who I love and who is a great manager) was offering up. He just kind of went on his own program and never seemed a fit there. I just have this weird feeling that Atlanta the city and Atlanta the team are going to suit him. You see a guy dogging it, I see a guy who will maybe play loose. Just a hunch.

  35. Lance G says:
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    Question—in a 12 team keeper/dynasty league–out of these OF’s/DH’s/3b’s which THREE would you keep? Dollars are included. Way under on dollars so costs will not be a factor

    Need 3 of the following:
    Prado $17
    Seager $2
    Trumbo $14
    Willingham $10
    Rasmus $10
    Reddick $5

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Trumbo, Willingham, Reddick… These aren’t great…

  36. Steve says:
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    Steves here, there and everywhere…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Steve: It’s like Multiplicity up in here…

  37. Tehol Beddict

    Tehol Beddict says:
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    Grey Dog, what are your thoughts on ANdrew Cashner this season? Does he have what it takes to remain a starter in this league?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’ll get to the SPs shortly…

  38. Steve says:
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    Talks between Braves and Diamnondbacks re: JUp have resumed, apparently. Braves pretty serious this time (it says here).

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      The brothers first reunion since their mother’s womb…

      • OaktownSteve says:
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        @Grey:

        You know they aren’t twins, right? Given that, the whole womb reunion gets a little weird.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Weird…ly interesting!

        • JoeC says:
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          @OaktownSteve: So what you’re really saying is that they were just a Fallopian tube away?

  39. Jay B says:
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    One more… 12-team, keep 5:

    1. Braun
    2. Miggy
    3. D. Price

    Need 2 of (Hanley, Bruce, Kimbrel)
    Am I crazy for keeping Kimbrel instead of Bruce given the strong offense I already have?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, I’d go Bruce and Hanley…

  40. Worm Turner says:
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    Jay Bruce and James Shields –> Giancarlo.

    Seem pretty fair?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yup

  41. Hoog says:
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    Great stuff Grey! I have a question about Morneau. The stats you have him for this year are the very similar to what he did last year with only 505 AB’s, and he seems to be fairly healthy (compared to last year). Any chance he puts up top 10 1B stats this year? To be honest, i’m hopeful, but it’s a bit out of desparation…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks! There’s always a chance, it’s seems unlikely at this point…

  42. Schwab says:
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    8 team keeper league H2H points with each team protecting 15 players. I’ll have the 6th pick.
    Granderson, Desmond Jennings and Rutledge fall to me, who do you take?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Jennings

    • Aaron James says:
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      @Schwab: Granderson.

  43. Jim says:
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    I usually try to avoid hitters that change leagues as they often have trouble adjusting (see Dunn 2011 , Pujols April 2012). Pujols admittedly adjusted after April, but Choo is not Pujols.
    Are you not worried at all about Choo learning/adjusting to NL pitchers? Why?
    Thank you.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Pujols season was fine last year, pointing to a league change is cherry picking a possible reason… Everyone has interleague now, very little mystery between leagues…

  44. Jim says:
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    Btw, same question re: BJ Upton

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Jim: Same answer…

  45. EB says:
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    I like your rankings but Cesepedes should be in your top ten outfielders. Second half of last year he was on pace for about 100/28/90/20 in a full year. He is better than Gonzalez and Holliday and Choo and arguably at the Bruce level. I know there is always a risk for regression–he’s only had the one season–but his physical talents make him a good bet to perform at a high level next year. He’s the kind of draft pick that can win your league for you and I think you need to have him higher than a lot of those guys.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @EB: He could, but his lack of a track record has me slightly lower on him…

    • Aaron James says:
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      @EB: Wow, I’m all for Cespedes bandwagoning, but you seem to have drank a little too much of the Kool Aid. If it were my list, I’d get AGon outta there since the majority of the leagues don’t have him OF eligible, move Harper down to 11 and Ellsbury in Harper’s old slot. I’d toss Cespedes right behind Ellsbury and move everyone else out a spot. Yoenis is far from a sure thing and it seems a little fishy that he hit better at home last year, given the ball park’s dimensions.

      • JoeC says:
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        @Aaron James: Maybe he likes to bring on the crowd… where is the crowd?… he wants the crowd!

      • EB says:
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        @Aaron James: I just traded Josh Hamiltom for him in a keeper league straight up so I made my bet on it. I think Hamilton regresses this year in a pitchers park and Cespedes looked really good last year. I hope it works out.

        BTW an expert on Yahoo had Cespedes as #9 outfielder in his rankings so its not an unheard of opinion. I have more faith in Cespedes than Ellsbury but I can see the argument the other way.

        • DansUggla says:
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          @EB:

          An expert on yahoo!?!?

  46. KO says:
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    These lists should be forward thinking, which is why the omission of Cespedes is a mistake. I get that you might have him at 21, but the guy actually made adjustments and improved over the course of the season. If he simply repeats his 2012 stats he is a top 20 option. What if he stays healthy and gets over 600 plate appearances? I think 30/30 is a real possibility. Just my 2 cents.

    • Grey

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      re: Cespedes; in the big picture he’s right there on my overall rankings with these guys… I like him…

      • KO says:
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        I guess your projections for Cespedes will tell the story. I am expecting him to have better or equal counting stats as Jennings with maybe 10 fewer steals. Bill James has him improving in all 5×5 stats including of all things AVG.

        • Grey

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          Yeah, I don’t see the average coming up… He’s as hard to call as Trout in a lot of ways… See how he follows up what was essentially his rookie year…

        • EB says:
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          @KO: Cespedes was much more impressive last year. Jennings only hit .246 last year. He was in the .250s the year before. Cespedes hit over .300 second half of last year.

          Its all projections but I take Cespedes ahead of Jennings. Jennings you just have to hope he’s so young he will develop the average and some power. Cespedes is almost there already.

  47. JoeC says:
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    Love the ad that pops up at the top of the page sometimes on Razzball: “We DON’T like young men. We want you!”, it says, displaying pictures of big-breasted cougs lookin’ all come hither.

    But I’m confused by the ad. Is it supposed to appeal to “mature” guys? As in “Hey, we’re cougars, but we don’t want to be cougars, so save us from all these young whippersnappers who are gone in 60 seconds”?

    I don’t know. I’m saving all my clicks for you, Grey.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Razzball is a Cougar Love site, 24/7/365…

  48. Awesomus Maximus

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    Have you seen the Catfish TV show on MTV? My wife has had an episode or two on while I’m in the room. I love how the guy immediately does all of the things he conveniently never thought to do when making the “documentary.” Heavy duty Magnum P.I. shizz like a Google Image search and other stuff that’s completely obvious and takes about 8 seconds.

    If you look at Catfish (the movie) as a fake documentary… as the guy luring the audience into a phony relationship, it’s kind of brilliant.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I really disliked him from the documentary… From the moment he was like, “Guys, this is my life, why are you following me opening packages (that I sent myself)?” Was such poor faux acting… Leave it to MTV to jump on the bandwagon about 3 years late too… They’ve become the ESPN fantasy of TV…

      • Awesomus Maximus

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        @Grey: He’s even worse on the show… pretending to be concerned about these strangers’ welfare as he’s exploiting their naiveté and desperation.

        In the one episode I actually paid attention to he basically dumped the original focus of the episode (the dude being catfished) and followed the girl scamming him instead, because her deal (addicted to being phony on the internet) was more interesting. Must have been awesome for the guy to find out his love isn’t really into him, and then find out the show coming to help him isn’t really interested, either.

    • JoeC says:
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      @Awesomus Maximus: So you don’t believe the original Catfish movie was a work of non-fiction? Maybe I’m just a gullible Gus, but I bought it. Maybe he didn’t use Google Image Search because he didn’t know about it. I certainly didn’t know that you could use an image as your search input and I work in the damn industry! :)

      Also, he wasn’t even thinking about it being a hoax, so why would he go all Columbo initially? Of course he does it NOW on the TV show, because that’s the entire premise, but originally, he was just documenting his online romance. I don’t know… I found it convincing.

      What I love about the TV show is how a lot of the time, the dude who’s been fooled (and it’s almost always dudes) will just stand there, mouth agape as he looks at the beached whale who’s standing in place of the supermodel he thought he was sexting with all this time. Those are truly priceless moments.

      Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to get back to this titillating conversation with this hot, Russian girl who just added me as a friend on Facebook.

      • Awesomus Maximus

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        @JoeC: Documentarians struggle to get the right footage, and since they deal with the real world, there are no reshoots. The Catfish crew got the right footage EVERY time… by accident, according to them, a lot of the time.

        Either they are the luckiest documentary crew in the history of filmmaking, or it’s a load of bull.

        • JoeC says:
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          @Awesomus Maximus: I don’t know. Seems like your belief or disbelief of the “truthiness” of the flim is based on how cynical you are/are not.

          In general, I believe people until they’ve proven untrustworthy. From all I’ve read about the filmmakers and interviews with them and such, they seem legit. I suppose they could be lying and it’s all one big edifice of fakery, but I’m going to err on the side of trust.

          If anything, I think the main character’s chest hair was a lie, because no man that is not genetically a Yeti or a Persian rug should have that much chest hair.

          • Grey

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            There has to be elements of make believe in it… If it was just a long distance romance there would’ve been no reason to videotape it… I’m guessing he went along with it for a while then found out the truth then they recreated the first half of the movie to set it up…. So it probably did happen but not as we see it…

  49. A-Ram Baller says:
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    I have Bautista, S. Castro, Rizzo, Kinsler, Cespedes, Trumbo, Cueto and I can only keep 3. Which 3 would you keep?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Bautista, Castro, Kinsler…

      • A-Ram Baller says:
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        @Grey: Thanks Grey! That’s where i was leaning but I am skeptic on Bautista’s wrist.

  50. Cbass says:
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    Hi Grey, love your work. Been following you the last two seasons. Keeper Question: I can keep 5 in a 16 team CBS points league. Pitchers are far more valuable because we have a starts limit and need to squeeze as many points out of the 1-2 starts a week they get. No dollar values – keep five. Who should I keep?

    C- Carlos Santana- projected 398 pts.
    1B- Freddie Freeman – projected 415 pts.
    2B- Jose Altuve – projected 408 pts.
    3B- David Freese- projected 343 pts.
    1B,3B- Todd Frazier- projected 313 pts.
    OF- Carl Crawford- projected 389 pts.

    P- Max Scherzer- 639 pts.
    P- Jonathon Niese – 545 pts.
    P- Trevor Cahill – 531 pts.
    P- John Axford – 541 pts.
    P- Jarrod Parker – 503 pts.
    P- Mark Buerhle- 503 pts.
    P- Joel Hanrahan – 499 pts.
    P- Josh Beckett – 463 pts.
    P- Tommy Hanson-457 pts.

    Thanks in advance if you answer. I will be agonizing over this for two months.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks for the kind words! Scherzer, Niese, Frazier, Freeman, Altuve…

  51. Phatboy71 says:
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    Would you trade Jay Bruce and Jason Motte for Robinson Cano.H2H,keep 6 players a year?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yup

  52. costaricanchata says:
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    so , in a slow mock , i almost had a choice between Jordan Zimmermann and
    Doc Halladay .

    who would you have taken ?

    thanks .

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Zimmermann, not close…

    • Steve says:
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      @costaricanchata: Well that makes me feel better about Zimmermann I guess. I suppose you’d have taken Moore too.

      • costaricanchata says:
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        @Steve:

        would have taken both moore and zimmermann before c.c.

        but what do i know ?

    • Steve says:
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      @costaricanchata: Halladay might have retired by the time you get to pick again anyway.

  53. Moo says:
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    ‘A pipe dream like Bubbles’ memories of Sherrod’, The best fantasy baseball read on the se here interwebs, AND esoteric references from ‘The Wire”? Hells yeah!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha, thanks!

  54. Cbass says:
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    Sorry, to add to my previous post, these are 30 man rosters in a 16 team leage so there is nothing on the waiver wire except for the lucky b who grabbed Medlen or Plouffe last year…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Well, you can still only keep five guys, so you’re gonna have to draft a solid team…

  55. Eddy says:
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    Well, got through my first mock of the offseason. Yahoo, 12-team. I’d like to think my team was pretty stacked, but that’s because about five guys were gone by the 15th round or so.

    So, that being said, I’ll consider this the absolute best I can do in a competitive league. Is this a good benchmark team, Grey?

    C- Alex Avila- 18th
    1B- Albert Pujols- 1st
    2B- Danny Espinosa- 10th
    3B- David Wright – 3rd
    SS- Josh Rutledge- 17th
    OF- Bryce Harper- 2nd
    OF- Matt Holliday- 4th
    OF- BJ Upton- 5th
    Util- Desmond Jennings-9th
    Util- Nelson Cruz-8th

    Bench- Matt Carpenter- 20th
    Bench- Krispie Young- 23rd

    SP- Matt Cain- 6th
    SP- Max Scherzer- 7th
    SP- Matt Moore-12th
    SP- Anibal Sanchez-14th
    SP- Brett Anderson-16th
    SP- Tyler Skaggs- 19th
    SP- Andrew Cashner- 22nd

    RP- Rafael Soriano- 11th
    RP- Greg Holland- 13th
    RP- Mariano Rivera- 15th
    RP- Steve Cishek- 21st

    Quick thoughts: Longo was drafted one pick before I took Wright, so that blew. Not a huge fan of my top 2 SP. Wainwright was drafted one pick before I took Cain and the same with CC and Halladay right before Scherzer.

    But I think I’d be content heading into the season with this as my team.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, that would be the best… That’s a great team! Pitching is a little wonky after Moore, but not terrible… Offense looks great…

      • Eddy says:
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        @Grey: Thanks for the feedback!

  56. Stephen says:
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    Hi Grey,

    First time poster, great website and detailed analysis.

    Would you keep Upton @22 in a $260 12 team standard roto league? Braun will go for $45 for a reference point.

    Thanks

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks! I would…

  57. Stooler says:
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    I’d be content.
    (You weren’t asking me, though. Were you?)

    • Eddy says:
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      @Stooler:

      Any feedback from a fellow Razzballer is always appreciated!

  58. costaricanchata says:
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    @ Grey
    @ Steve

    so ,
    in your big draft , the guy in front of you snipes the player that you really , really wanted … maybe two players .

    is it ok to send him this during the draft ,
    or should i wait until the draft is over ?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luKmSLXukaw

    • Stooler says:
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      @costaricanchata:
      Definitely don’t cut George Jones off the road. He takes it kinda hard.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Hehe

  59. Ryan says:
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    @Grey which of the following would you keep (3 spots left) in a 10 team keeper, 5×5

    Rizzo, Ortiz, Craig, Morrow, Latos, CJ Wilson, Andrus, Goldschmidt, Beltran

    • Grey

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      Goldy, Latos… Then ugh… Craig…

  60. Stooler says:
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    Grey,
    Gotta question.
    I’m in a long standing league and we’ve recently lost a league mate and recruited a new one. The previous GM left the new one with crappy keepers. Do we:
    a) give him a choice of any of our non keepers prior to the draft, b) have someone make a lopsided trade in order to infuse more talent on his roster, or c) tell him to sink or swim?
    I think d) could be letting him have the keepers from last year’s winner, but since he’s now the commish I’m pretty sure he’d veto that.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      C

    • Jack Full of Hate says:
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      @Stooler: been in this situation before so i must know, how many keepers? how many years kept? and is your league full of a bunch of selfish bastards that want to screw the new guy over?

      I like “a”, but this info would help clarify what he gets

    • james d says:
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      @Stooler:

      Not super helpful now advice now, but in my keeper league if we’re replacing a manager we do it mid-season before the trade deadline. Gives the new guy the ability to craft his keepers without any special support.

      Sink or swim baby.

  61. Stooler says:
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    5 keepers (4 regular, 1 rookie); keep as long as you’d like. Rookie for 3 years only.
    We don’t want to screw the guy but we aren’t interested in making up for his situation by giving him a brand new set of keepers either.
    Most of us are kind and gentle, a few of us don’t mind a little pain and suffering, and one us wants to watch the pain as its inflicted.

  62. Boomer19 says:
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    Hi Grey. Looking for some advice in a 5×5 roto keeper (3year). Also two catcher. I need eight from this group.

    Hamels
    Shields
    Latos
    Moore
    Wieters
    Butler
    Castro
    Hill
    Moustakas
    A Jackson
    Hosmer

    I figure Castro and Hamels are givens but having trouble with the rest. Thoughts?

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      @Boomer19:

      Oops I meant keep six.

    • james d says:
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      @Boomer19:

      Hamels Latos Moore Butler Castro look easy to me. Leaves one more though.

      I guess Wieters because it’s a two-catcher league, but I could see arguments for AJax or Shields.

    • Aaron James says:
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      @Boomer19: I know you weren’t asking me, but a decade of keeper leagues has me believing Castro, Wieters, Hill, Butler, Hamels, Latos looks solid. I’m not one to keep many pitchers unless the league is swayed to value them more. I’d much rather have catcher, shortstop and 2b sewn up. Moore instead of Butler would be decent, but I just think SP is too easy to replace.

  63. Kwaz says:
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    Grey – Any concern with Justin Upton moving to Atlanta? His home/road splits are disconcerting – .924 OPS at Home and .670 OPS on the Road last year; .937 / .731 for his career.

  64. Jake Stone says:
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    I worry that Choo might turn into a platoon guy if he keeps struggling against lefties. ( sub .700 career OPS). Scouts don’t think he can play center and they have Billy Hamilton in AAA. South Korea let him out of his military service and he repays them by not playing in this years WBC. Agent 47 could be hired to kill this sumbitch.

    • AJ Leight says:
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      @Jake Stone: Choo would have to really stink it up to ever be considered a platoon guy. Last year was bad vs lefties, but he’s usually pretty solid against them, albeit with very little power. The 3 years before last (09-11) he hit between .264 and .275 against them so I don’t see it being a problem, especially since Progressive Field is soooo favorable to left-handed batters.

      Him playing center will be fun to watch, and I’m sure they’re just hoping the offensive production allows them to forgive his mediocre (if that) fielding ability. As far as Billy Hamilton goes, I’m just not sold on the kid yet. Mind blowing speed and base running ability, but I think he’s a white Dee Gordon. We’ll see once he sees a few pitches that aren’t fastballs being thrown by guys who will never pitch above Double-A. Either way, that’s more of a mild concern as I bet Heisey and Ludwick would be the ones to “suffer” the most.

      Oh, and I definitely don’t blame him for sitting out the WBC – no matter what South Korea did for him. I’m sure Seung Hwan Oh, Kab-Yong Jin, Heesoo Park and Jin-Young Lee can hold down the fort.

  65. Mike says:
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    Ah okay, Agonz is OF elig in most leagues, but not CBSSports

    • Aaron James says:
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      @Mike: Every league I’ve seen or am personally a part of uses 20 games to gain RF eligibility. And I’ve never done a CBS league, just ESPN and Yahoo. Not sure why you’d want eligibility to be fewer than that. To each their own I guess.

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