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Yesterday, I went over the top 10 for 2017 fantasy baseball.  Today, I throw out preconceived notions, drink some potions and lather up my body with lotions as I sloppily slip and slide my way through the most precarious top 20 for fantasy baseball I’ve ever encountered.  This top twenty is a blind man playing Twister.  Half the time, I’m grabbing for things not knowing if they’re there or not.  I legit think this top 20 could go countless other ways.  Is countless a widowed Countess?  No, it’s not, it’s a confusing AF top 20 for fantasy baseball.  One bright spot (or sour note if you disagree with me), I finally convinced myself that since I never draft a starter in the top 20, I’m not ranking one here.  If you want to bemoan my (lack of) ranking Kershaw, Scherzer or any pitcher, then bemoan away.  Just remember, a bemoaner sounds a bit to me like “U be a boner.”  All the positional rankings will live under the 2017 fantasy baseball rankings.  Anyway, here’s the top 20 for 2017 fantasy baseball:

11. Miguel Cabrera – This tier started in the top 10 for 2017 fantasy baseball.  I called this tier, “Easy like Monday morning quarterbacking.”  This tier ends here.  Member when Miggy was a first round no-doubter?  He’d hit 35 homers and .320 and all was good.  Yeah, I don’t know if anything’s changed that much with him.  Do guys often approach 500 career homers and still hit like first rounders?  Not to answer, but to ruminate.  Ted Williams did, Bonds didMiggy is special, not like the cousin your mom made you hang out with when you were a kid, but special like that same cousin who is now a millionaire.  Miggy is Donaldson with five to six less steals, but a much higher batting average.  I’m not sure Miggy isn’t a top ten pick either, and I might be falling into groupthink with this ranking.  I guess there’s a 25% chance Miggy repeats 2014 and hits only 25 HRs but still .313.  More than likely, you’re going to get 30 HR, .320 and the counting stats that go with that.  2017 Projections: 95/29/105/.317/1 in 577 ABs

12. Trea Turner – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Odor.  I call this tier, “Hate to go upside this early, but I also hate showering and I do that.” By the tier name I mean, these guys feel a bit riskier and upsidey (totally a word!) for this early, but, from what they’ve done already in the majors and their ability, I think you have to take them here.  Uh-oh, it’s Computer Modulated Man, “Trea Turner in the top 20?!  El oh what the eff.  Does not compute.  Must shut down rankings and reboot.  Too much electricity going to mainframe.  Unplug me.  Unplug me.  I must be unplugged.  Oh, no, it is too late.  Trea Turner ranked in the top 20 was too much.  Signing off.  Good….bye.  Beep boop booooop.”  In 73 games last year, Turner had 13 HRs and stole 33 bases with a .342 average (19 HRs, 58 SBs if you combine Triple-A and majors).  Granted, he had only 15 HRs in his minor league career, so his HR/FB% may not be 16.7 as it was last year, maybe closer to 9%.  His BABIP was .388, and that might be closer to .345.  The steals?  They’re for reals.  So, he hits 16 homers and .305 instead.  16 HRs, 40 SBs and .305?  You know who that sounds like?  It rhymes with Saltuve and he reminds me of someone who stands on the front seat of a driver’s seat to see over the dash.  I know there’s risk with Turner, but if you don’t think there’s risk with Donaldson, Miggy, Odor, Blackmon or some other white men hiding behind an affirmative action last name, you’re lying to yourself.  So, my question to you is why not lie to yourself about something more worthwhile like, “Hey, guess what, Self, you’re handsome and just won a Nobel Prize!”  2017 Projections: 102/16/84/.305/40 in 577 ABs

13. Carlos Correa – I almost made a top 9 yesterday, then one giant tier, an eleven-way tie between 10th and 20th, clapped my hands together like I was over it and took a siesta.  In the end, I thought that was a cop out.  I struggled to turn the corner on the top ten, and you see there’s a bunch of guys I think are virtually the same as Correa because they’re in the same tier, and, to go a step further towards the cop out without copping out completely, I think this entire post is close.  If someone took Miggy at 14 and Correa at 11, it wouldn’t shock me.  If someone went Odor at 10 and Trea Turner at 14 and Donaldson at 11 and Story at 19 and–okay, you get the picture.  This top 20 is so flexible it teaches Pilates on a balancing beam while saying, “We can go wherever you want for dinner, I’m pliable.”  Correa just did too much to move my needle to not squeeze him in here, and, when I say needle, I’m not talking crochet.  Correa averaged 404 feet per homer last year.  Machado hit 37 homers and also averaged 404 feet.  Correa only had 7 Just Enough homers; Betts hit 15.  Correa had a down year last year and still hit 20 HRs and stole 13 bags with a .274 average, at the age of 21.  Correa also had injuries.  At one point, he didn’t attempt a steal for a month due to a sprained ankle.  He had 14 steals in only 99 games in 2015, and 13 steals in 153 games last year.  You’re telling me that sprained ankle didn’t play into it?  You’re not telling me that, because if you are, I have a pfft with your name on it.  He hit 22 homers in 2015 in that truncated season, but 20 homers last year.  Let’s see, he only hit one home run in September, his worst power month.  Any specific reason?  He hurt his shoulder.  He doesn’t hit a ton of fly balls, but neither does Au Shizz.  Steamer has Correa down for 23 HRs and 14 SBs in a full season of ABs.  I’m gonna go out on a very sturdy limb and say, he’d have to get hurt again to only get 23 HRs and 14 SBs.  That feels like the absolute baseline, though with Correa maybe that should be called the Military Demarcation Line.  2017 Projections:  98/26/104/.275/20 in 575 ABs

14. Rougned Odor – Last year, Odor struck out 21.4% of the time and walked only 3%, which reminds me of Rizzo and Bryant.  The foul Odor of a rising K-rate that levels off the next year to a more palpable one.  In Triple-A, Odor walked 9% and struck out only 8.1%.  Don’t know if the numbers will get that glorious in 2017, but, even if they don’t, with his less than ideal Ks last year, he still had 33 HRs, 14 SBs and hit .271.  Am I saying there’s upside from those numbers?  He’s 22 years old, how is there no upside?  He had a .297 BABIP, which seems about right for him because of how many fly balls he hits, but if he gets lucky, a .320 BABIP and .290 average don’t seem hard to talk myself into since Odor does have speed.  His speed, in fact, is on par with that of 30-steal guys.  In early draft results I’ve seen, I’m on an island with Odor — why didn’t I pack extra Ban Roll-On?! — he’s either ranked much later in the top 20, or not at all.  That’s got me puzzled, because, even Steamer, who is conservative, has him down for 26 HRs, 13 SBs, .275 in only 559 ABs, after he had 605 ABs last year.  There’s no way Odor is slotted anywhere but the top four in the Rangers’ lineup, and should easily pass the 580 AB-threshold.  30/15/.280 with solid counting stats and upside is suddenly not worth a top 20 pick?  Are you sure about that, rest of the universe?  2017 Projections:  92/28/98/.281/15 in 581 ABs

15. Freddie Freeman – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until Blackmon.  I call this tier, “From the window, to the wall, here’s the ceiling, here’s the floor.”  By the tier name I mean, I think we know what we’re getting from these guys floor-wise.  I also think the ceiling is pretty obvious.  I don’t necessarily think there’s going to be a huge breakthrough on the ceiling, but the floor looks sturdy too.  This is likely the safest tier in this post, and not just perceived safest.  These guys have some youth, they have shown ability and they don’t possess huge caveats.  (By the way, by floor, I mean what’s the worst you’re going to get from a guy.  I think that term is fairly mainstream, but I want to make sure everyone knows what I mean.  Potatoes to chips, SAGNOF, Saberhagenmetrics, Kazaam!, as you can see, I often care if people follow what I mean.)  As for Freeman, he’s in his prime and appears to be a rich man’s Votto.  I will call him Blotto on Cristal.  2017 Projections:  93/31/97/.295/6 in 575 ABs

16. George Springer – I have hopes and dreams, and they include clean water and basic human rights for everyone and George Springer having a 40/20 season and being the best player in baseball.  Those hopes and dreams are in no particular order, by the way.  Definitely not that order if I draft Springer this year.  If Springer is going to put it all together, this will be the season, so I’m excited to see if my prayers are answered.  *Intern whispers in my ear* “What about the drinking water and human rights prayers?”  Can we focus on Springer first, please?!  2017 Projections:  103/32/88/.255/10 in 590 ABs

17. Charlie Blackmon – Okay, there’s one caveat in this tier.  If Blackmon gets traded, then all bets are off, and I don’t mean the Red Sox have a travel day.  I don’t think you should avoid drafting a player in March because he might be traded in July.  A) He could be traded to a great team and have a solid two months in a pennant chase.  B) He may not be traded.  C) There’s no C.  Last year, Blackmon had his biggest power year by far with 29 homers.  Blackmon with power, sounds like an unreleased Public Enemy joint.  His speed went way down though from 43 steals to 17.  A Blackmon without speed has The Ghost of Jimmy the Greek confused.  Blackmon does have one thing, of Coors.  You will never find a Rockies leadoff man with 25-steal speed and 20-homer power that is not worth a 2nd round pick.  Hopefully, Blackmon and Freeman in the same tier does better than Birth of a Nation during award season.  (By the by, Moonlight was the best film of last year, and might’ve been the best film of the last few years.)  2017 Projections: 104/21/67/.303/24 in 594 ABs

18. Starling Marte – This is a new tier.  This tier goes from here until the end of the top 20.  I call this tier, “GiancarlNOOOOOOOOOO”  By the tier name I mean, I looked at everyone to be in this top twenty, and these last few felt the best.  No Giancarlo, or as I scream every time he’s hurt GiancarlNOOOOOOOOOO, no Just Dong Martinez, no pitchers (!), no Lindor, no Seager, Corey or Kyle, no Pollock, A.J. or Tulo, and no way this is the final say on all top 20s.  There’s a ten way tie between five guys all at number 21 (my math might be off there).  There’s nothing I can do (except go on to rank every player in the coming days who will get at least 200 at-bats).  There just wasn’t room for everyone.  As for Marte, I’ll be honest, I could see him ranked anywhere from top 15 to top 40.  Just depends on how you look at him.  He’s a 10-homer, 40-steal, .275 hitter.  It’s great, but Shane Victorino was never a top 20 player.  Or Marte has 20 homer power and 45 steals that will hit .310 again.  Yeah, I need to take my chances there and go Marte is the latter.  *sees Altuve climbing on Marte’s back*  Latter, man, not ladder!  2017 Projections: 81/17/88/.295/37 in 549 ABs

19. Edwin Encarnacion – Here’s what I said when he signed with the Indians, “I think there’s a fairly evident reason it took Edwin Encarnacion a while to sign with a team.  Doode’s a leather-bound book with dust.   Please, Grey, leave this metaphor alone!  You’re prolly right, Random Italicized Voice.  Edwin’s ground ball ratio went up and his fly balls went down.  He still hits the ball hard, and, if he were 27 years old, none of his red flags would even be flags, they’d be red handkerchiefs for my white suit when I’m feeling especially Scarfacey.  His Ks went up, so he’s a .260 hitter now instead of a .270 hitter?  Big whoop.  I’m having a hard time being negative on Edwin, except he will be 34 years old.  Guys do excel in their mid-30s, but not as much as they don’t.  Am I excited about Edwin after he signed with the Indians?  Not particularly, but thinking he’s going to fall off, is you talking hunches and that only works if you’re making small talk with Quasimodo.”  And that’s me quoting me!  2017 Projections: 88/36/105/.260/2 in 535 ABs

20. Trevor Story – None of those aforementioned players made the top 20, but then there’s this Story, of a lovely lady, who was bringing up three lovely girls, though lovely feels like a stretch with Jan.  Sorry, Jan!  Story would’ve been a top 10 guy for this year if he didn’t have a fluke injury last year.  To go back to the overriding theme of this post, Story is just as good as the tenth ranked player as he is the 25th ranked.  Fluidity is the word of the day.  Literally, it’s on my Word of the Day calendar.  In only 97 games last year, Story had 67/27/72/.272/8.  I’m sorry, he plays a full season, and that’s not a top ten season?  What is it that you don’t like about him?  His Ks?  Has any non-catcher Rockies player hit below .250 since 2005?  Well, I’m glad I asked!  Clint Barmes (twice), Ian Stewart (once), Ty Wigginton (once), Todd Helton (twice, at ages 38/39), that’s it.  Four Rockies had six non-catcher seasons of .250 and below.  Know why?  Of Coors you do!  You can’t hit under .250 in Coors.  I don’t mean the collective you.  I mean, you you.  You, out of shape, goofsloth, who thinks sweatpants are formalwear, would hit over .250 in Coors.  So, what else is the problem with Story?  Oh, wait, there’s no other problem.  Story’s so butter I Can’t Believe It’s Not Butter sees Story and gets jealous.  Story is so butter, he lies on top of a mountain of popcorn and someone sees him and says, “Ooh, hot buttered popcorn.”  Story’s so butter, Sandoval can’t even look at him without risking weight gain.  2017 Projections: 89/31/98/.258/12 in 575 ABs

 
  1. Christian Herman says:
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    How many margaritas have been sent your way in your time. Rough estimate. Either way, you deserve one every hour on the hour.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Christian Herman: I haven’t counted, but I’ve saved all the little umbrellas

  2. Simps says:
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    I love when you start rolling out the rankings. I’ve been waiting to see what you have to say about Odor. I’ve seen him pretty low in a lot of rankings and I just can’t understand it. Trying to decide between him, Votto, and Marte as my final keeper. I am already keeping Rizzo and Donaldson. I wanted to go young with Odor, but it seems like a lot of people hate on him… sometimes 22 year olds don’t walk much… oh well. I’ll take the power and speed.

    • Eli Man Penguin Boy says:
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      @Simps: yr good at CI already and odor is a LOT younger than votto so he’s out. odor (as shown above) did have great k/BB in minors, and much higher BB in total, so he has it in him.

      • Peabody Pilkens says:
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        Odor

    • Billy Bob says:
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      Odor

    • Sir Quaker says:
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      Odor

    • Robert says:
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      @Simps: Totally, most of the 22 year olds I know take Uber, None of them walk…

      • Eli Man Penguin Boy says:
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        @Robert: we’re aren’t the fattest country in the world from walking.

  3. Christian Herman says:
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    I gotta ask though, after years of calling Freeman overrated & used the term Poseyitis with him.. (When a real life good players stats don’t always translate well to fantasy) Now you seem to be backing him better than I’ve seen other sites. What happened to make you change your mind on the glasses wearing man they call Freddie

    • Tigres says:
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      Two cents: Freeman’s FB%, hard hit% & ISO all went up quite a bit last year. Entering 27 yo season – seems like good bet to maintain last yr’s improvements. Plus the Braves lineup is better now (Swanson, Kemp) than it was at start of 16 past 20.

      • Big Odio says:
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        @Tigres: he also had a .370 babip, swung at more pitches, missed on more pitches but got better results…ie he said fuxk it let’s see what happens. If he stays less conservative the pop might repeat….might

    • Rock D says:
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      @Christian Herman: I must say that I am a bit confused myself. Captain of the don’t over pay for last year’s stats, I just can’t pay this kind of premium for Freeman.

      • Rock D says:
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        @Rock D: Freddie Freeman and Brandon belt were very similar stat wise before freeman had a break out last year. Hitting 11 more homers then his previous career mark. Can he do it again. Yes. Am I willing to bet a top 20 pick on it. No sir

        • PEDs3 says:
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          @Rock D: When was the last time Belt hit 20+ Homers? How about hit .300? How about drove in 90 runs? Let me check…. ZERO for all 3! What about Freeman? 4 times, 2 times, 3 times, doesn’t sound all that similar does it?

          • Rock D says:
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            @PEDs3: freeman 288 lifetime avg vs 272. Before last year break out freddie avg about 20 homers while belt avg about 17. Neither hits 100 rbi. And to say 20 homers and 90 rbi is top 20 sounds a bit of a reach. Freeman had a great year but not top 20. Just my opinion

            • PEDs3 says:
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              @Rock D: I agree with 20 HRs and 90 RBI not being top 20 but Freeman missed some time with injury a couple years ago. Remember, we are talking about 22-90 seasons where he was 21, 22 years old! No surprise that he broke out at 26. I don’t see much of a drop off from last season except for maybe a handful of HRs.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Christian Herman: Yeah, Posey never hit 30 HRs though, and Freeman is in the prime of his career and looks capable of repeating

  4. Christian Herman says:
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    On a 3rd and final comment the MBDTF lines always plugged in are always appreciated

  5. Vacation says:
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    Keeper league (forever), keep 6 each year, who do you keep out of:

    AuSchizz
    Marte
    Odor
    Machado
    Just Dong
    Kluber
    Carrasco
    Polanco (BROCTUNE!!!!)

    I’ll hang up and listen.

    • Curious George Springer says:
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      @Vacation: The first 5 are automatic. Then I’d probably keep Kluber over Polanco. That would be particularly true if it is a shallow (10-12 TM) 3 OF league.

      • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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        @Curious George Springer: This name and avatar are amazing. Well done!

        • Vacation says:
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          @Duda Want to Build a Snowman?: Agreed, sweet Avitar and name. Thanks. Duda, I assume you concur with the monkey? Still, if it’s okay with y’all, I’ll wait and let the fantasy master lorthario weigh in.

          • Curious George Springer says:
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          • Curious George Springer says:
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            @Vacation: thanks!

  6. Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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    This top 20 has me all sorts of pumped. Story’s momma would be so proud and will be throwing all sorts of shade the Xander and Franciso’s moms at the next PTA meeting.

    In light of your top 20, do all of the below pairs beat the pair of $30 Kershaw and $6 Khris in a keeper league with annual inflation?

    A. $10 Odor and one of $6 Myers or $4 Sanchez

    B. $9 Desmond and $20 Kluber

    C. $10 Just Dong and $12 Degrom

    Any preferences over these options?

    Thanks!!

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      @Duda Want to Build a Snowman?: I forgot one!

      D. $23 Blackmon and $12 Hanley

      Though I guess not much difference between Blackmon and that $9 Desmond I guess…

      • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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        @Grey: Gracias!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          De nada

  7. Ante GALIC says:
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    Grey!!!

    Fantastic post, man! These are getting better and better – like fine wine, like 70-year rum turning to cognac, etc.

    a. At Paris’ Charles de Gaule airport!! To wit, I have seen and heard many a Frenchy looking (and probably sounding) like our friend the Count de Monet Ball!! Imagine that! The only thing missing is his wig and the horse-drawn carriage driving through the middle of the airport!

    b. A recent title for a porno I saw…..’Happy Moan Day!!!’ No jokes! Starring Brooklyn Chase (hubba-hubba!).

    c. Same great names to mull over here! in the 11-20 range. I like it that pitchers aren’t here. It makes the hitters that much more useful.

    Cheers,
    Ante

    • Big Odio says:
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      @Ante GALIC: rum turns into cognac? Maybe you’re thinking of brandy? Rum is made from sugar cane and cognac, like brandy, from grapes. Or maybe I’m missing something here. What Africa voodoo do you do…know

      • Big W says:
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        @Big Odio: Cognac is a form of Brandy I believe… but don’t odio yourself for this…

        • Big Odio says:
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          @Big W: I think they are basically the same, isnt cognac like Champagne, you can only call it cognac if it comes from a certain region. Like bourbon can only come from bourbon county. I dont know why I refuse to look this up but at least we both agree that rum is not cognac.

      • I got $100 for groceries, $1400 for liquor, and $6,000 for you to go bail a couple of shit puppets out of jail says:
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        @Big Odio: cognac IS a type of brandy. rum has nothing to do with either. my guess is anybody thinking rum turns into brandy probably hasn’t had both ever before.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Ante GALIC: Thanks! A. Could’ve been him B. A Case of the Moan Days C. Yup!

  8. Tigres says:
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    Hey Grey – Yeah, great hitters, nice top 20, I miss Giancarlo too, blah blah blah. You KNOW we all just come here for catcher rankings. Bring it!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Tigres: Oh it will be broughten

  9. Wilson. says:
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    JD or Desmond in keeper league?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Wilson.: Depends on factors like other keepers, they’re close though, prolly lean Desmond

      • Wilson. says:
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        @Grey:
        My other keepers: Rizzo , Machado , Springer , Blackmon , Arrieta

        5×5 league with 6 keepers.
        So, JD or Desmond?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Desmond

  10. JoeG414 says:
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    A little surprised that Lindor didn’t make it in the top 20

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @JoeG414: I tried, he just missed

  11. zaphrodesiac says:
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    Ian Desmond, wow

  12. Cram It says:
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    Ok, let’s do this. Keeper question: This is a point’s league, meaning pitchers are slightly more valuable than hitters. Like, the highest scoring bats hovered under the 700 pt line with Trout leading the way at 750, while the top pitchers were a little over 700, with Scherzer tops at 800. The points also favor on base/total bases guys but SB’s are so insignificant that you can discount factoring them into a player’s value. I need to keep 6 out of the guys below (w/last season’s points for context). I’m not trying to win now, but would like at least a strong trio of bats as a foundation for the long term. Also, 12 teamer, and rosters are shallow with offense having C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, 3 OF, UTIL; Pitching has a lofty 1450 IP limit. Any thoughts from anyone are welcome. Thanks!

    Springer – 593
    Frazier – 523
    Odor – 498
    Piscotty – 496
    Franco – 424
    Mazara – 357
    Bregman – 179

    Scherzer – 802
    Urias – 221
    Duffy – 528
    Giolito – 2

    I’m leaning Springer, Odor, Mazara, Bregman, Scherzer, Urias. But I’m considering losing Bregman for maybe Franco or Piscotty. I’m not crazy about having to find a 1B and 3B after round 6. Basically, my indecisiveness is rooted in the fact that I don’t know enough about these young guys after only one year. I’ll stop thinking out loud now. Go!

    • Malicious Phenoms says:
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      @Cram It:

      First, is this a 4 ever keeper? If so:

      I would also go with the 6 you picked.

      Great value for this year and beyond.

      Not a huge fan of Piscotty and Franco for long term.

      • Cram It says:
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        @Malicious Phenoms: Yes keep forever. Thanks for your input.

        • Malicious Phenoms says:
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          @Cram It:
          I’d for sure keep the same 6.

          Bregman has more upside than Franco and Piscotty, plus AL, the juice box and that lineup.

      • Big Odio says:
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        @Malicious Phenoms: just call it dynasty already, it’s the same thing with less words

        • Cram It says:
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          @Big Odio: Is it? I tend to think Dynasty leagues have minor league systems and/or there’s less turnover because you keep most of your team

          • Big Odio says:
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            @Cram It: dynasty encapsulates all of it. If you are keeping forever you are building a dynasty. Keepers have limits where is dynasty does not. We had this discussion when mike worked here and I agreed that the presence of minors does not make it a dynasty. What if you had minors but could only have them on your team for 3 or 5 years. Would that make it a keeper or dynasty? By the inclusion of minors makes it a dynasty logic the limits would make it a keeper and by yours a dynasty.

            • Cram It says:
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              @Big Odio: I agree, if there are limits on how long you can keep players, then it’s not a dynasty. So the opposite must mean dynasty. I’m okay with that.

              • Big Odio says:
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                @Cram It: makes me wonder why we don’t call dynasty format franchise. To me a dynasty team is a winner and from what I’ve experienced those leagues are filled with fantasy losers. So say franchise

                • MattTruss

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                  Best comment ever

    • Packers says:
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      @Cram It: I also like the 6 you picked. I would take Franco and Bergman over Frazier, so Frazier is an easy drop. I think the Phillies are going to have a nice lineup in a year or two if it is a keep forever. However the Astros already do. The pick of Bergman or Franco is the tough call. I’d probably go Franco but I think we are choosing between two guys that are pretty equal.

      • @Packers: Gracias mi amigos, kiate de la voca bitchs. I like Bregman because of his lineup and playing in the AL. Even if its the AL west. But who am I. I don’t have a Mustache so that leaves me with little credibility

    • Curious George Springer says:
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      @Cram It: Can you keep Springer twice? He’s the best!

      Springer
      Odor
      Mazara
      Bregman
      Scherzer
      Duffy (esp if this is a points league and he has RP eligibility)

      • Cram It says:
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        @Curious George Springer: Springer needs to be better!

        There’s no way I’m passing on Urias. Maybe I’ll drop Springer for Duffy. :P

    • Big Odio says:
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      @Cram It: I’m leaning you posting your login and password

      • Cram It says:
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        @Big Odio: I would, but my password says more about me than I’d like people to know.

        • Big Odio says:
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          @Cram It: password: snugglebunny

          • Cram It says:
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            @Big Odio: goldenshowerface

            • Big Odio says:
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              @Cram It: oddly not surprising

            • Hoboken Squat Cobblers says:
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              @Cram It: Hey, that’s the same as our President-Elect’s password!!!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Cram It: Springer, Odor, Mazara, Bregman, Scherzer, tough last call… Those five are pretty much locks… I’d lean Franco… Super young, will be good for a while

      • Cram It says:
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        @Grey: Ok, you saying Bregman is a lock changes things. But I like your confidence in him. Thanks! I’ll see if any hot stove action takes place before we have to declare.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yeah, you still have some time to think on the last one… I think Duffy might be the highest for this year, though might not be the best keeper

          • Cram It says:
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            @Grey: I agree, I don’t see myself competing this year unless the young bats go off, so I’m leaning Urias, tentavively. But I feel good getting 5 nailed down for now.

            Sorry to see your boy Giancarlo far so far.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Urias wouldn’t be my keeper for the final spot…. Too much unknown in that shallow of a league

              • Cram It says:
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                @Grey: It’s offensively shallow, but guys carry about 8 SP’s because the IP limit is so high. I was playing catch-up the whole second half streaming garbage. Now, if Urias isn’t going to be a front-end ace in the next few years, that’s a different story.

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  When was Duffy picked up?

                  • Cram It says:
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                    @Grey: June 10th to be exact.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      That is not a league where I’d keep Urias

                  • Cram It says:
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                    @Grey: Because he was available? It’s not like he was good in the 4 starts he made until then. But I kinda see what you’re saying: Offense is shallow so I should stack up on that. I could hit SP hard starting round 7. But giving up on a probable(?) ace like that will leave me wanting…statistically and emotionally.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      If you can get a guy like Duffy, who should be at least a top 30 SP this year and was a top 20 guy last year off of waivers, that’s not a league where you need to think about Urias for his 2018 or 2019 breakout

                  • Cram It says:
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                    @Grey: You’re banking on a guy like that to emerge..go from a reliever or relatively non-impactful to a top 20 starter. Is a Danny Duffy going to happen again? Actually, yes, I think so, and his name is Chris Devenski!!

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Top 20 SPs emerge every year

                  • Cram It says:
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                    @Grey: Fine, you beat me down…for now. Franco better not be a bust! I actually like him a lot, so it wouldn’t be your fault anyway.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      He’s so young and already solid

    • The Great Knoche says:
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      @Cram It: Think I’d go,
      Springer
      Odor
      Bregman
      Mazara,
      Scherzer
      Urias

      • Cram It says:
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        @The Great Knoche: Thanks brah. I’ll agonize over Urias for the last spot for the next couple of months.

  13. Ra'zbahl Al Ghul says:
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    Ohhh yeah! Love seeing the Rox love. Was secretly hoping you were guna sneak Dahl in at 19 or 20, but TrevorEndingStory, Desmond, Blackmon, mwah! I remember being traumatized by how big Milano’s areolas are.

    • Big Odio says:
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      @Ra’zbahl Al Ghul: “honey you’ve been in the bathroom a very long time, is everything okay?”
      ” I’ll be right out? Just finishing the top 20″
      “Do i hear the toilet rocking”
      “YES!….I mean no”

      • Ra'zbahl Al Ghul says:
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        @Big Odio: ha! Yup

    • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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      @Ra’zbahl Al Ghul: Dahl’s got to be top 30 with this 20, right? Makes you so excited you could try cleansing Gotham City again!

      • Ra'zbahl Al Ghul says:
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        @Duda Want to Build a Snowman?: The time is nigh, the onion lies not, our Buddhist extremist cell will fulfill our vow to unleash tranquility on the west. The NL west to be exact.

        • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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          @Ra’zbahl Al Ghul: Ha! Now that I’m thinking about it, are the Rockies the official team of the League of Shadows? Coors and that mountaintop shadow temple share many atmospheric traits…

          Also, if so, then perhaps COL pitchers should be using some of that flower gas stuff to help their ERAs, no?

  14. Rockie Mountain High says:
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    prognosticator-elect. fired up for the rankings. With Story so early Dahl has to be high on the list.

  15. Jason Eldred says:
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    To reiterate what everyone said yesterday and today, I love this time of year due to your rankings! I joined an existing league (no funky scoring) and it’s a keep 5 forever style 16 TM lg. Team I took over is trash. My keepers sadly are an easy decision of Marte, Lindor, Castellanos, deGrom, and Snell. I have a decent farm of Moncada, Brendan Rodgers, Margot, AJ Reed, Matt Olsen, Jose De Leon, and Grant Holmes. I just received an offer of Yelich and JP Crawford from a team who has a decent squad for Brendan Rodgers, Margot, Reed, and Holmes. Obviously depletes my farm, but is Yelich worth it? I’m sorry to ask a trade question that has nothing to do with the Top 20, but I’m so confused on what to do. Thanks in advance for everyone’s assistance! Great rankings!!

    • Malicious Phenoms says:
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      @Jason Eldred:
      You are giving up to much. Do not trade Rodgers for Crawford.

      I’d counter offer with Reed and Holmes for Yelich.

      • Jason Eldred says:
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        @Malicious Phenoms: Agreed. Maybe I’m overvaluing my guys, but I hope Margot can put up similar stats to Yelich toward the end of the season. Thanks for the reply.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Jason Eldred: Bit much, don’t think it’s a terrible offer though if going for it this year, but you can prolly make that call later in the summer

  16. JoeG414 says:
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    Who would you take as a 2nd rounder this year and would be a 2nd round keeper for the next two years.
    Odor , Springer , Marte or Story. 6×6 roto.

    • Jason Eldred says:
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      @JoeG414: Without knowing anything about your legaue or other keepers, Grey has Odor ranked the highest in this post…

      • JoeG414 says:
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        @Jason Eldred: Those (i think with other keepers and picks that will be gone ) should be the best available in the 2nd round 15th overall pick.

    • Malicious Phenoms says:
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      @JoeG414:
      Odor

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @JoeG414: Odor or Springer, they’re close

    • Curious George Springer says:
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      @JoeG414: I’m curious, why would you consider anyone other than Springer?

  17. The JoGarza says:
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    Woah, that Rockies AVG stay is a little mind-blowing. I’ve been raised by Razzball, so it’s hard to change my “Go corners first, punt MI” strategy, but I think I’ll have to this season.

  18. Killer B's says:
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    Keeper help please!

    Need to pick two of these guys to keep along with Betts, Bryant, Murphy, and Arrieta:

    McCutchen
    G. Sanchez
    Springer
    Segura

    Leaning towards Springer and Sanchez. Interested to see other thoughts. Thanks!

    • Malicious Phenoms says:
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      @Killer B’s:

      I think I would keep, without knowing league settings or how many teams, Betts, Bryant and the other 4 bats.

      Arrieta worries me, TJ soon?? Murphy will not repeat last years numbers.

  19. HomerHWBush says:
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    Razz rankings are the best part of winter after Christmas and snow days. Thanks for the great work again Grey.

    KEEPER QUESTION:
    12-team H2H keep forever OPS league. Pick 5:
    – Rizzo (1st) – definite
    – Bumgarner (2nd)
    – Encarnacion (3rd)
    – Blackmon (5th) – definite
    – Villar (13th)
    – G. Sanchez (13th)

    Basically, who do I NOT keep from the above? Don’t trust Villar or Big Gary 100%, but love that round value. Thick Edwin is my bottom b, but I know the drop off is coming with a vengeance and he’s gonna miss the dome. Bumgarner is a horse but… pitchers, ya know?

    What do y’all think?

    • Malicious Phenoms says:
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      @HomerHWBush:
      Keep all the bats and throw back Bum.

  20. Curious George Springer says:
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    I’m curious, would you say that if you go with Harper in round one, you probably want Freeman in Round 2. I think that one you do where you pair up players is the most fun.

    Naturally the only league I care about is a keeper where all of these guys are kept (I have a few of them). Wait, is that a gaggle of geese looking for a pond? I KNOW WHERE THE POND IS! Gotta go!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Curious George Springer: Yeah, that would work for me, I will do the pairings eventually… Be careful in the water!

  21. Ralph Lifshitz

    Ralph Lifshitz says:
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    If you woke up from being cryogenically frozen two years ago and woke up this morning your head would explode. Trump’s president, Khloe Kardashian is a sex symbol, Freddie Freeman is ranked 15th by Grey, and Giancarlo is no where to be found.

    What a world.

    • Big Odio says:
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      @Ralph Lifshitz: it’s a surreal painting imitating life

    • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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    • Ra'zbahl Al Ghul says:
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      @Ralph Lifshitz: seriously, Freddie got fingered!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Ralph Lifshitz: Khloe is a sex symbol?! This shouldn’t surprise you since you’ve been peaking on the admin side!

      • Ra'zbahl Al Ghul says:
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        @Grey: Haha! The yanks podcast wikileak!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Why do I need to keep approving your comments? Could it be the Muslim username?

          • Ra'zbahl Al Ghul says:
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            @Grey: Yeah, Trump is after me because of the whole Hezbollah fiasco

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              You should’ve retweeted him, he likes that

      • Ralph Lifshitz

        Ralph Lifshitz says:
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        @Grey: Hahaha I just looked at the names! I never went into the post! This is alllllllllll new!

        HALPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Halp blew up your spot, and all trust is now lost!

          • Ralph Lifshitz

            Ralph Lifshitz says:
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            @Grey: He’s a real Linda Tripp!

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Except more feminine!

      • Ralph Lifshitz

        Ralph Lifshitz says:
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        @Grey: She kind of is, you see that Complex shoot? She’s very popular in certain segments. Tehol loves her!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          I don’t mind a thick girl, but she’s way too tall for me — though 5′ 6″ is tall for me

          • Ralph Lifshitz

            Ralph Lifshitz says:
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            @Grey: Yeah I like the shorties too, and I’m 6’0. Khole looks super fake, not my thing, I’m a much bigger fan of Courtney and the younger sisters.

            • Grey

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              Kourtney’s straight sexy

  22. Oppo Taco says:
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    Hey Grey, sifting through my possible keepers for this upcoming year. We get to keep 8 guys at no cost. Who Ya got? 12 teamer 5×5 roto. Thanks!

    Goldy, Rizzo, Bautista, McCutchen, Longoria, Corey Seager (somewhat surprised he didn’t crack your top 20), Moncada, J Upton, Bumgarner, Cole, Osuna, Lamb.

    Also Contemplating offering Bautista and Cole for Trea Turner. Thoughts on that offer? Seems like a lot

    • Curious George Springer says:
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      @Oppo Taco: Goldy, Rizzo, Seager, Moncada, Lamb, Upton, Bumgarner, Turner (after you complete that trade, which you absolutely should do). Assuming it is rejected, I guess I would keep McCutchen and hope he has a resurgence.

    • PEDs3 says:
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      @Oppo Taco: Unfortunately for all of us Seager is a much better “real baseball” player than a fantasy player. I agree with Grey, he is not top 20 but I bet he shows up soon. He’s basically Story with a better average and less speed.

  23. Teuvo says:
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    In a 16-team keeper league, you have already covered 4 of my keepers (Correa, Goldy, Altuve & Turner). I LIKE IT!

  24. Tiny Rick says:
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    10 team Keeper league, H2H, 19 roster spots(3 OF, UTL, 3 P, 2 RP, 3 P, 3 BN and 1 NA spot). Big rule change increasing keepers from up to 4, to up to 10. I’m thinking of keeping Votto, D. Gordon, Arenado, Correa, Betts, Stanton, Shwarber, Synergaard, Darvish, Moncada (BN). I also have a potentially higj pick as I traded Miggy for Betts and their 10th round pick. I am thinking BAT (Dahl?) with my first pick.

    Am I going too heavy on the hitting side? Thanks.

      • Tiny Rick says:
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        @Grey: Thank you much. You guys do a awesome job.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          No problem!

  25. Sing Us a Vogelsong You're the Pineda Man says:
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    Thanks for this glorious, pliable top 20!

    I’m feeling pretty good about my keeper team based on your rankings:

    Mookie
    Arenado
    Miggy
    Turner
    Correa
    Springer

    Lots of juice right there!

  26. Malicious Phenoms says:
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    Hey,

    Saw Fences, seemed like a play on stage, just as you said..
    Also saw Nocturnal Animals..

    Did you see Collateral Beauty?

    • Cram It says:
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      @Malicious Phenoms: Nocturnal Animals was awesome. Collateral Beauty was forgettable. Although the twist ending stirred some emotions.

      • Malicious Phenoms says:
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        @Cram It:
        Agreed, Nocturnal Animals was brilliant.

        Collateral Beauty was a downer, with that cast, thought it would be much better and then the ending was WOW, didn’t see that coming!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Malicious Phenoms: I wouldn’t see Collateral Beauty b/c the poster looks like every December movie poster of the last ten years…. Nocturnal Animals was decent, I didn’t love or hate it

  27. HolyGhostClaw says:
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    Yo yo Grey! Spent the weekend reading and re-reading your sleeper posts. Spent Monday enjoying the day off. Came in to work this AM to see the rankings were already up though #20! Went from 6 to 12! Thanks Grey!

  28. Big Odio says:
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    HA! I’m going to work goofsloth in to my vernacular today.

      • Big Odio says:
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        @Grey: jacked up part is I’ve said it to myself three times and I cant argue with myself on that.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Haha

  29. Chucky says:
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    I saw in yesterday’s post, you recommended 3 years of Dahl over 1 year of Lester. Along that same line, how many years can we reasonably expect Max to be a keeper and would you keep Max in a forever keep Dynasty over Dahl? Over Bregman?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Chucky: Might get another two years out of Scherzer… I’d keep Scherzer assuming you’re competitive

  30. Old School Brother says:
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    Odor at #14 is music to my ears Grey. Also a little suprised with Desmond making the top 20. I have him in a dynasty league and when I heard he was going to Coors I got pretty stoked. Losing OF eligibility kinda stinks though… I don’t know what the Rockies are thinking. He wasn’t that bad for the Rangers last year, even in CF. I wouldn’t put him in center again, but he’d be fine in one of the corners

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Old School Brother: Yeah, but he’ll play and Coors, so whether he loses OF eligibility for next year doesn’t matter for now

  31. Hot Rod

    Jimmy Bond says:
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    hot dang. wishing i hadn’t traded Turner away last year, but all the scouting stuff I’d seen didn’t say he would translate to a top 20 and I was surprised to see him do so well when he came up. Or rather, the stuff I read said he might be good real-world but not for fantasy. Like Eaton maybe.

    Glad to see Story in there, though.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Hope you got something solid in return!

      • Hot Rod

        Jimmy Bond says:
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        @Grey: it seemed good at the time! in hindsight, no. too embarassing to share here

        PS have you read The Arm? Read it over christmas, it”s got me scared to draft anyone with TJ history, which narrows the field considerably, eek. Great book.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Nah, I haven’t read it yet

          • Hot Rod

            Jimmy Bond says:
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            @Grey: the two chapters I really liked are about following Lester around during his free agent signing time, seeing the talks behind the scenes, and also the chapter on new training methods people are trying to reduce arm risks – some stuff in there on Trevor Bauer and all the stuff he is trying to do (outside-the-box training methods). Albeit he still needs control to improve.

            It also opened my eyes to risks of drafting any of the Japanese pitchers because as kids they can throw WAY too much in some of the japanese tournaments where they ride the same pitcher all the way along, like 700+ pitches thrown in a single tournament. Really worth a read once you are done with all your top 500 writeups (maybe you can sneak it in before drafts and the daily writeups begin)

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Interesting stuff, especially the Japanese pitcher overuse…

    • Hot Rod

      Jimmy Bond says:
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      @Jimmy Bond: (in one of my keeper leagues I mean)

  32. Danny Almonte says:
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    Schoop or Forsythe?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      My 2nd base rankings will be along shortly

  33. Devil in a new Dress says:
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    Wow, did not expect to see Story ranked this high. That’s good news for me and my keepers. Can you help me pick 8 off of this list? It’s a h2h points league where you keep everyone forever. Some tough Choices.

    Jose Abreu
    Arenado
    Greg Polanco
    Yelich
    Rizzo
    Bregman
    Benintendi
    Dahl
    Story
    Sano
    MadBum
    Porcello
    Syndergaard
    Aroldis

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Not Sano, Porcello, Yelich, Benintendi, Yelich, Polanco

      • Devil in a new Dress says:
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        @Grey:

        Thanks, Grey

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          No problem

  34. Old School Brother says:
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    Moonlight was pretty good, but i really thought pt 3 dragged

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Boo! I loved it, thought the 2nd part was the best, but enjoyed the 3rd part too

      • Old School Brother says:
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        @Grey: I was like Whoa… this is a story about 50 cent! When they showed him grown up wearing fronts haha

  35. Copperhead Road says:
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    Grey,
    Thanks again for this post. I’ve got Goldy, Betts, Machado and Turner so 4 in the top 12. Waiting on JDong next to make it 5 keepers in top 30??
    We play 12 hitters. I will also keep Segura, Myers, HanRam, OZUNA and Beltre. 6×6 roto with hits, HR, R, RBI, SB, OBP.
    In your opinion should I try to add another bat? I’ll have about $130 for the auction. Top pitchers usually go over $30. I’ll be keeping Taillon and CMart.
    Thanks again.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Looks pretty rock solid… Maybe OZUNA and Taillon for another bat? Keepers are good as is though

      • Copperhead Road says:
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        @Grey: Thanks. Only top 20 that’ll be available are Bryant, Odor amd Donaldson. Donaldson couldn’t fit in the ineup without dropping or trading someone else.
        Appreciate the input.

        • Grey

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          Well if you can get Bryant and Odor, that’s great, but don’t see you pulling it off with those guys

          • Copperhead Road says:
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            @Grey: Sorry, wasn’t clear. Those are the guys I can buy at draft but they may be too much $ and I need pitching I probably will hold what I have. Thanks again.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Yeah, hold… No problem

  36. Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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    Is it safe to assume that, all else equal – in dynasty and keeper leagues – you would still take any of these guys (Odor, Des, Story, etc) in a 1:1 trade over any pitcher, including Kershaw?

    Thanks, oh Grey one.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I would

      • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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        @Grey: Thanks! How about this one, not knowing where Villar stands…

        $30 Kershaw for $4 Villar + $16 Maeda

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          That’s decent

          • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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            @Grey: Thanks. Would try rubbing Maeda together with something to get a Desmond, which would rock.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Haha

  37. Racehorse says:
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    Grey –

    16 team dynasty, h2h … I’m thinking of offering Gyorko for Smyly …

    What do you think?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Sounds fine

  38. Hawk says:
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    Tough but good call to keep him outside the Top 20. It saddens me that I had to deal Giancarlo but he simply cannot stay on the field but I am done with guys like that. Spent waaaayyy too many years hoping for what guys like Tulo MIGHT do if they stay healthy.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, it’s sad, but he needs to stay on the field for 150+ games before I can trust him

  39. Charlie says:
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    Grey,

    6×5 including obp. Trying to pick 7 out of these 8 as my keepers. You lose the round that they were drafted in. Who’s the odd man out?

    Trout – round 1
    Stanton – round 2
    J.D. Martinez – round 8
    Arenado – round 13
    Bogaerts – round 11
    Villar – round 24
    Odor – round 6
    Goldschmidt – round 5

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Stanton

  40. Ace of Spades says:
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    Grey ( and anyone from his wonderful army who wishes to answer )

    14 team mixed auction league that keeps 10. each year the salary increases ( doubles each year after 3 ) .

    Guys I am definitely keeping:
    Buxton $8, Kepler $10, Odor $12, J Lamb $3, B Miller $6, Grandel $3, C Carrasco $14.

    Guys I am on the fence about ( I need to choose 3 of them ):
    S Marte $31, J Pederson $14, C Beltran $10, A Miller $11, S Manaea $10, M Pineda $11, Shoemaker $10, D Pomeranz $8, A Conley $3

    This year, more so than others, their will be probably be many studs available to bid on come draft day. guys like Trout, Goldshmidt, Rizzo, Freeman, M Cabrera, Stanton, Yelich, Machado, B Harper, Kershaw, Scherzer, Strasburg, Price, sale, Bumgardner to name a few.
    One further note is, I don’t have to keep anyone. keeping 10 is just the max amount, not a required amount.

    My main dilemma is what to do about S Marte. Should I throw him back into the pool to free up $ for the other studs? ( this is my third year with Starling so it will be his last if I keep him ) . Or do I believe all of the talk about stolen bases being so scarce that I hold onto him and his potential for 40 plus bags.

    Pineda and Pederson were added to my undecided list after I read your sleeper write ups on them. Our league is in New Jersey so Yankee and Mets hardly ever come at a bargain prices.

    I wont bore you ( any more than I already have ) with the rest of the team who I am throwing back into the pool.

    So really , my questions are, which 3 would you add to the keeper list? anyone on my keeper list who you think doesn’t belong their? and what do I do about Starling Marte ?

    Thanks in advance and thanks for all of the great work you do all year long. You and the Razzball crew are easily the best in the business.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Marte, Pederson, then wild card, prolly Pineda… You keep Marte, and maybe Miller over Grandal

  41. Warren says:
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    Mentioned this in the comments yesterday about trying to get Arenado pre-keeper deadline.

    Is Donaldson and Thor too steep?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      A bit

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha

      • Ralph Lifshitz

        Ralph Lifshitz says:
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        @Grey: My hands are soooooooooooooooo sticky….

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Kourtney-sticky?

          • Big Odio says:
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            @Grey: wouldn’t beni-sticky be like getting gorilla glue on your hands and if you don’t know gorilla glue then dont find out.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              I don’t even want to know what this means

              • Big Odio says:
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                @Grey: oh wait, what! no. Its not like that. Gorilla Glue is the craziest glue on the planet. I literally glued 8 cinder blocks together and they will hold their own weight and when I had to separate them I needed a chisel and a hammer. If you want that Ikea furniture to stay together get some gorilla glue. Just be careful, it expands….a lot.

  42. The Great Knoche says:
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    Seems like Keeper question day, here’s mine.

    6×6 w/ OBP and Holds as added categories.
    Must have 5 SP and 4 RP. Salaries increase $4 Per year.
    $ listed is what they would be at in 2017. Can keep up to 12.

    Here’s who I am planning on keeping

    C Gary Sanchez $10
    1B Anthony Rizzo $26
    SS Trevor Story $10
    3B Nolan Arenado $18
    CI Paul Goldschmidt $37
    U Wil Myers $10
    OF David Dahl $10
    OF Ian Desmond $10
    SP Clayton Kershaw $37
    SP Jake Arrieta $18
    SP Yu Darvish $15
    RP Edwin Diaz $10

    The Good Side – That’s an awesome start. The Bad Side – Only $49 left for 11 players. There’s a few, but not a bunch of top guys the way I see it that will be getting thrown back into free agency.

    Roll as is or try and save some money? Could also potentially keep Roark at $10 and Renfroe at $10

    • Cram It says:
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      @The Great Knoche: I don’t see how you can throw any of those bats back. I wouldn’t keep Diaz.

    • Big Odio says:
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      @The Great Knoche: stars and scrubs always works

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Go with what you have and $49

  43. CMUTimmah says:
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    -Spring training trip booked.
    -Greys ranks coming in.
    -Pitchers and catchers report in a few weeks.

    These are a few of my favorite things.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Nice! Are you coming to Arizona?

  44. Burningbridges247 says:
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    10-team roto keeper league. Keep up to eight for the following dollar amounts.
    Keeping:
    Rizzo – $36
    Miggy – $35
    Odor – $19
    Verlander – $8

    Who should I also hang on to here, and in what order, please:
    Springer: $35
    Addie Russ: $15
    Darvish: $11
    Jose Ramirez: $5
    Mazara: $5

    Available budget is $265. Strongly leaning Mazara and Darvish at those prices, but wanted to know what others thought. Thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ramirez, Darvish, Mazara

      • Burningbridges247 says:
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        @Grey: Thanks, Grey. The discounts win the day!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          No problem

  45. William says:
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    @Grey: How good was my championship winning team in my 12 teamer? 5 guys in your top 20! Gotta tip my cap off to you!

    Unfortunately I only get to keep 2 from Betts, Rizzo, Turner, Blackmon, Marte. I still have 2 months to make a decision…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Nice!

  46. Joe says:
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    Thanks Grey! Are you worried at all about where Story will bat in the lineup? Some recent projections have him batting 6th – behind – Blackmon, DJ, Tornado, Cargo, Desmond.

    I think he batted 2nd for most of last year.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Not worried

      • Joe says:
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        I have Story – just traded for Desmond. I love you Grey . ..

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Muah!

  47. jack florida says:
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    which side

    mazara or stanton?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Stanton

  48. Claudell says:
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    12 team league; 6 keepers (keep 4eva). Please select from the following:

    Goldschmidt
    Bryant
    Dozier
    Arrieta
    Desmond
    G Sanchez
    Myers

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Arrieta

  49. Big Mike says:
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    Captain my Captain,

    First – I’m wet over that Odor ranking. I peed myself.

    Second – I feel quite strongly, in a positive way, about Springer, who I do not yet have.

    Third – I’m picking 11 in a 12-man snake draft, and can keep 8. My keepers are very likely to be Rizzo, Mookie, Arenado, Odor, Lindor, Polanco, Scherzer and Kluber. I might also keep Javy Baez instead of one of these eight (Probably Klubot), because I just love him so much. So that leaves me with Wil Myers and Posey who definitely should be kept, but I can’t keep, plus maybe Kluber. First round thins out quickly, but I could probably get Springer at 4 or 5 (Kershaw, Donaldson, Marte, Cano). Would you trade any or several of those other guys to move up from 11 to 4? Does the fact that he only qualifies as a RF matter (Mookie also only qualifies at RF, and he’s not going anywhere)?

    That leaves me with Myers

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      @Big Mike: That last stub of a sentence shouldn’t be there. Also, If I stay at 11, BTW, I’m looking at F-Her or Pujols or a closer that won’t be kept (few closers get kept in my league). Javy might be there at that spot too.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Haha… 2nd — yes! 3rd — I’d keep Kluber over Baez, I’d trade Baez, Polanco or Kluber for Springer if I could

  50. goodfold2 says:
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    been doing my deep ass prospecting for psychotically early (and superfluous as we do nothing of note in this league for entirety of march) draft and came across this weirdness you might be interested in
    if you go to fantasy rundown prospects list:
    http://fantasyrundown.com/2017-mlb-prospect-rankings/

    and search for
    prospect361.com
    then hit the link for what should be their TB system list, it links directly to your own keon broxton article from a bit back. i have no idea how this got this way, but if i want their take on TB’s prospects this might mean i need to hunt down keon broxton in real life, which seems needlessly difficult (and marginally like something out of that twlightly show about that zone). this is kinda like that time i bought a breeders EP and it was really a they might be giants 5 song single. but at least that might be worth some money.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Weird

  51. westcoastpete says:
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    Great write-up Grey!

    Really surprised to see Odor at 14. The consensus rankings at fantasypros.com has him at #41 average, 31 min, and 71 max.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks! Yeah, I was surprised Odor wasn’t higher on other rankings

    • Mobin Can't Hack It says:
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      @westcoastpete: wow, so guaranteed you can take in the 3rd, probably high chance of 4th round, not really gambling till the 5th. of course this early ADP data isn’t that authoritative. not quite last year’s brocktune (ranked i think like 50 or more than ADP) but still valuetown.

  52. Dhouse42 says:
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    Awesome list, I’m so on board with sneaky odor 2nd round pick. Also salivating over (almost) all Rockies lineup. How is arenado/blackmon/story/desmond/dahl/lameihu not a winning fantasy team??? Only catch is arenado is too early and blackmon too late, but I think I’m gunning for as much Coors magic as possible this year.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks! Agree with you!

  53. Jon says:
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    What comes next – positional rankings or top 100?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Catchers then around the horn

  54. Chicken Shack says:
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    I always thought you were a Votto guy. Changing of the guard to Freeman?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I was never really a Votto guy… He’s close behind Freeman

  55. DonnieB says:
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    Mazara,Pederson,Martin and Margot? How do they rank? I have next pick in an NFBC draft? 15th round. If speed is needed,is it too early for Martin or Margot?

  56. JayP says:
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    Sup Grey,
    10 Team keeper league struggling to decide third keeper since Rizzo and Bryant are too obvious:

    Springer
    D Murphy (is he legit or was that season a fluke?)
    Bogaerts

    I’m leaning towards Springer for that upside since I don’t think he’s hit his ceiling yet, but Murph and Bogaerts for the position eligibility are tempting too. Keeping either of the latter two determines my IF so I can target OFs earlier.

    Whatcha think?

  57. Spot says:
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    Hi Grey,

    Love the post about your Top 10’s and 20’s. Could you please help me with the decision about my final keepers? I am going to keep Manny Machado and Nolan Arenado without a doubt. I can add 3 players to my final list. I am not sure if Anthony Rizzo is that much better than Freddie Freeman. I am able to keep Rizzo over Freeman, but in order to do do so I would have to drop relative bargains like Daniel Murphy and Yu Darvish. I could also opt for Chris Sale, Jake Arrieta or Jacob deGrom instead of Rizzo or Freeman. In short, these are my options:

    1) Machado, Arenado, Rizzo (plus Wade Davis and Jacob deGrom);
    2) Machado, Arenado, Freeman (plus Murphy and Darvish);
    3) Machado, Arenado, Sale/Arrieta/deGrom (plus Murphy and Darvish).

    I am looking forward to your advice.

  58. Wil says:
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    I don’t really see how springer could be the 16th most valuable fantasy player in standard leagues with a .255 avg as you projected. Not with 30 homers 10 steals he ain’t the 16th best. No where close.

    • Wil says:
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      @Wil:

      Last season spring was 116/29/82/9/.261… and he wasn’t even a top 50 overall fantasy player for standard roto.

      This year you project 103/32/88/.255/10 in 590 ABs and rank him 16th overall?

      • Wil says:
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        @Wil:

        Springer was the 78th most valuable fantasy player according to the espn standard roto player rater for the 2016 season. I don’t see how you can project him to put up the same stats and be the 16th best fantasy player this year.

        What stats would he need to actually be the 16th best player? Def a lot more than you are projecting.

        • Grey

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          ESPN Player Rater is crap… Our player rater — http://razzball.com/playerrater/ — Has Springer ranked 47th overall, remove all pitchers and he’s around 30th… He makes modest gains for the previous years and offense comes down a bit and he’s in the top 20 overall for this year

          • Wil says:
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            @Grey:

            Isn’t the player rater just weighting the stats and showing overall impact per the 10 total categories?

          • Wil says:
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            @Grey:

            I guess my point is project it like you mean it. If he puts up the stats you are projecting he’s around a fringe top 50 overall fantasy player who you have ranked 16th

          • Wil says:
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            @Grey:

            Good point tho I can see offense being down from last year and Springer could move up a bunch without doing much more. Still think with a .255 projection on avg it makes it real hard for him to rank that high but ya anyway

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