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We already went over the top 20 catchers and the top 20 1st basemen for 2012 fantasy baseball.  Today, we dip our big toe into the top 20 2nd basemen.  It was a nice bounce back year for the 2nd basemen, in general.  In 2011, Darwin Barney was ranked 20th for 2nd basemen and 19th for shortstops, but this year guys like Mike Aviles ranked 18th for 2nd basemen, but 14th for shortstops, showing more depth at the keystone.  To recap, this final ranking for last year is from our Fantasy Baseball Player Rater with my comments.  The Player Rater allows me to be impartial while looking at how I ranked them in the preseason.  Anyway, here’s the top 20 2nd basemen for 2012 fantasy baseball and how they compare to where I originally ranked them:

1. Robinson Cano –  Here’s something interesting (which is to say not interesting to anyone but me).  In the RCL, I had Cano and Hill anchoring my offense and my offense was terrible.  As talked about plenty before, top middle infielders are great, but look at a top outfielder or a top corner man compared to a top middle infielder.  Alex Rios was actually more valuable overall than Aaron Hill, who is number two for 2nd basemen.  If you had, say, Braun and Hamilton, you would’ve been much better, obviously.  But think about in the beginning of the year when you were drafting… If you took Braun and Brandon Phillips, you would’ve felt better because your team was more balanced.  Maybe balance should be saved for your chakras.  Things that make you go hmm… Preseason Rank #1, 2012 Projections:  105/27/105/.310/5, Final Numbers: 105/33/94/.313/3

2. Aaron Hill – I’d go as far to say that this was the most under the radar year for someone that ranked this high at the end of the season.  Invariably, when someone ranks in the top 3 at a position, they get a lede from me, they’re mentioned multiple times in the comments about how lucky they are to own Hill and/or people talk about how he can’t keep it up and wonder if they should sell him.  It was almost like people just took what they could get from Hill and were content with it…. No, that can’t be the case.  That’s never the case.  Did no one own him?  Was Hill in the Witness Protection Program?  I have no idea, but he finally put his solid power and solid speed together in one season and turned this mutha out.  Preseason Rank #11, 2012 Projections:  70/18/80/.265/15, Final Numbers: 93/26/85/.302/14

3. Ian Kinsler – Pretty much had exactly the year I thought he would from rankings and projections, but those six homers off his projections is more like ten, because it’s not like I didn’t think 25 homers was the base with 30 as a distinct possibility.  Then again, at least he was healthy.  Then Again, II:  Then Again Returns Again, I figured 25 projected homers was in case he wasn’t fully healthy.  Where does that leave us?  I don’t know, but let’s pray Big Bird is stopped.  Preseason Rank #2, 2012 Projections:  100/25/70/.260/25, Final Numbers: 105/19/72/.256/21

4. Jason Kipnis – He never had a season of more than 12 steals anywhere in professional ball, so, of course, he goes out and gets 31 steals.  His 2nd half was also much closer to what he should’ve been doing the whole year, so wha’ happened?  My guess is in his first full season in the majors he wanted to prove himself, and the one way to do that that (stutterer!) is totally in your hands is to run yo’ ass off.  Preseason Rank #13, 2012 Projections:  80/14/60/.255/12, Final Numbers: 86/14/76/.257/31

5. Brandon Phillips – Without an injury, he’s exactly what you’d expect from him at this point.  The days of hoping he gives you 30 homers or 30 steals are only closer than they appear in the side view mirror.  Preseason Rank #6, 2012 Projections:  90/20/85/.275/17, Final Numbers: 86/18/77/.281/15

6. Ben Zobrist – Before we get into a group of guys I was wrong on, let me quickly say, damn, my projections were reading from the book of right-on, Joanna Newsom.  Preseason Rank #8, 2012 Projections:  75/17/90/.255/17, Final Numbers: 88/20/74/.270/14

7. Dustin Pedroia – In the top 20 overall in the preseason, I said, “If he hits 18 homers, we’re not even having a discussion about whether he’s a 2nd rounder or a 3rd rounder.  He’s an 18/20 player.  Can that be more?  Sure, he just had a season where he gave more.  The thing that has me feeling janky is it can also be less.  If it’s only a tad less, he’s not even a 3rd rounder.  I hate that we need his ceiling to justify his ranking, so I’m hoping someone else takes him.  Actually, I’m almost positive someone else will.”  And that’s me quoting me!  Preseason Rank #3, 2012 Projections:  105/18/80/.295/20, Final Numbers: 81/15/65/.290/20

8. Marco Scutaro – He had a 7/9 season and ranked 8th overall?  It’s the wonders of good counting stats.  As in, I wonder if people will draft him next year counting on stats that are very difficult to count on.  Preseason Unranked, Final Numbers: 87/7/74/.306/9

9. Kyle Seager – This year Seager was running.  Against the wind.  He was hitting for power.  Against the wind.  Everyone seemed to want Ackley, but it was Seager who put up the numbers.  Against the wind.  Preseason Unranked, Final Numbers:  62/20/86/.259/13

10. Jose Altuve – Something stuck with me from around May.  Someone asked in the comments if they should drop Altuve and Rudy replied something like, “He’s a middle infielder that will get 30 steals with a good average, what else do you want from a middle infielder?”  That stuck with me because I could tell the usual very-patient Rudy lost his cool about as much as he does, and he had a point.  You get a guy in the late rounds for MI and he gives you 30 steals and a good average, well, that’s about about the best you can ask.  Preseason Rank #23, 2012 Projections:  80/12/40/.265/24, Final Numbers: 80/7/37/.290/33

11. Rickie Weeks – I liked Sickie Weeks when he would be incredible for 3 of 6 months and be hurt the rest of the time.  In fairness, his 2nd half wasn’t bad, and other than his average, he didn’t have a terrible season.  But why exactly are we being fair to Rickie Weeks?  Preseason Rank #9, 2012 Projections:  65/18/50/.260/10, Final Numbers: 85/21/63/.230/16

12. Danny Espinosa – With Weeks (and maybe Altuve too with impatient owners), we’re around the place in rankings where people wanted to drop players left and right for better or worse ’til death of your fantasy team due us part.  By my own admission (which is totally redundant since that’s all any of this is), I was way off with Espinosa’s RBIs, which is kinda odd because he did have a fair share of ABs later in the lineup.  So it goes, so it goes.  Preseason Rank #10, 2012 Projections:  80/24/90/.240/19, Final Numbers: 82/17/56/.247/20

13. Dan Uggla – He was completely unlucky last year or his skills have diminished dramatically.  Uggla had a higher BABIP in 2012 than 2011 and a better walk rate, but lost .013 on his average.  Not a huge amount, but it should’ve been the opposite.  Also, his HR/FB% was off the charts unlucky.  He should’ve still hit his 30 homers, even if the average was nothing.  Uggla didn’t have a pretty year, but it was Ugglier than it needed to be.  I look at Uggla’s year in 2012 like Dunn’s 2011.  He’s going to rebound with power nicely, or he’s going to hit .195 in April and get platooned.  There’s no way the Braves are going to let him drag down the whole offense for an entire year again.  Preseason Rank #4, 2012 Projections:  90/35/105/.250/3, Final Numbers: 86/19/78/.220/4

14. Omar Infante – He had a nice first half with the Marlins, then they sold him high in what can be considered the only good thing the Marlins did last year, besides warning people that are prone to seizures to not look at the sculpture in center field.  Preseason Unranked, Final Numbers: 69/12/53/.274/17

15. Neil Walker – He was actually better than this ranking if you consider you had him for only a little over 5 months and then accumulated replacement stats for him the last 3 weeks when he was injured.  Still he’s far from exciting.  As most walkers are.  Preseason Rank #17, 2012 Projections:  70/12/80/.270/7, Final Numbers: 62/14/69/.280/7

16. Howie Kendrick – Bust.  I mean, an abomination of egregiousness.  A big fat stinker that needed a gas mask.  After his 2011, it looked like he was headed for promising shizz, then Pujols was traded to the Angels and I could hardly contain myself.  Now, I don’t want to run into Kendrick in a dark alley because, well, I don’t want to go to jail.  Especially over fantasy baseball.  How do you not break 70 runs or RBIs with a .287 average in that lineup?!  Preseason Rank #5, 2012 Projections:  100/18/70/.290/15, Final Numbers: 57/8/67/.287/14

17. Daniel Murphy – *snooze*  Hey, Giancarlo, do you mind if I call you Ginacarlo so this isn’t weird? *wakes*  Oh, wait, I was supposed to talk about Daniel Murphy.  Um… *snooze* Preseason Rank #21, 2012 Projections:  75/12/60/.275/5, Final Numbers: 62/6/65/.291/10

18. Mike Aviles – Really solid year for Mike Aviles (if you were in a league where you had to own Mike Aviles and all teams that don’t own him lose).  This is the kind of year from Mike Aviles that wins leagues (if you were in the aforementioned league).  Aren’t you glad you drafted him (especially in a league where you had to)?  Preseason Unranked, Final Numbers: 57/13/60/.250/14

19. Dustin Ackley – The good news is he’s got his first full season under his belt.  The bad news is he still hasn’t shown me anything to get excited about.  The pretty so-so news is he was pretty so-so.  Preseason Rank #15, 2012 Projections:  80/12/55/.265/12, Final Numbers:  84/12/50/.226/13

20. Kelly Johnson – Sadly, he was thirty points on his average away from being a top 7 2nd baseman.  That sounds like a lot, but it would’ve gave him his career average.  I’m starting to realize guys with girl first names seem to excite me more no matter what they produce.  I’ll have to talk to my shrink about this.  These androgynous names have Ziggy Stardust in my eyes.  Preseason Rank #12, 2012 Projections:  80/20/70/.265/14, Final Numbers: 61/16/55/.225/14

From Around The Web

  1. JungleMike says:
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    You know, I owned Aaron Hill in the Commenter Leagues, and honestly, I just let him play and it never really struck me that he was doing so damn well. Of course, it was nice to wake up to see him hit for the cycle, or a couple of dingers, but yeah, he definitely flew under the radar, even for a team that owned him. He was kinda like that chick with a bit of a dorky smile and glasses that you KNOW you could invite to prom and probably date, but never do and she ends up going to college, getting rid of the glasses, straightening her smile, and becoming a rich doctor.
    I’m not sure if any of that makes any sense….

    • royce! says:
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      @JungleMike, I had the same experience…had Hill in an autodrafted RCL that I took over, and had no idea that he was probably a big part of why I won that league. I thought it was my managing skills!

      Oh, and I married the chick you’re describing, but fortunately she didn’t become a doctor.

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        @royce!, Did you see my comment from yesterday about Tribe? You should see the documentary done on them…

        • royce! says:
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          @Grey, I didn’t- was out playing poker. I would like to see that documentary…

          • Grey

            Grey says:
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            It’s awesome… You gotta check it out… Check-check it out…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @JungleMike, Yeah, I owned him too… Was never really blown away, or blown to follow your metaphor…

      • Jack Full of Hate says:
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        @Grey, was that the one done by Michael Rappaport?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yup, that was the one…

          • Jack Full of Hate says:
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            @Grey, I saw that back in May, it was tight!

  2. barker says:
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    i didn’t own hill but i know exactly what you mean….

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @barker, Yup…

  3. TheNewGuy says:
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    Some great projections made last year, you were nearly spot on with a number of them. Kinsler and Kendrick really did have wretched years hitting in the lineups they do, but I still feel both can bounce back, could they be value picks for next year?

    Great outing by JV last night, what a horse…

    And no I didn’t own Aaron Hill either!

    CC better bring it tonight, can’t be seen losing to the O’s as good a year as they’ve had…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @TheNewGuy, Kendrick ended the year in a huge push, but unless he’s very late in drafts, I’m not touching him… Kinsler looks like he has some nasty splits as someone pointed out below… Not the end all, but not a great sign…

  4. RandomItalicizedVoice says:
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    Hi everyone. I’m still looking to fill a few spots for the RCL I’m going to commish next year. I realize nobody probably wants to think about the 2013 season now, but if any of the 2012 RCL league winners are interested in playing in a 2013 RCL Champions League, I will be commishing one next year. Shoot me an email (takecareofyourshoes@gmail.com) telling me you are interested as well as which league you played in this year, and you will go on a list and I will contact the first 11 people who email me next year when RCL signup time arrives. If someone doesn’t reply fairly quickly, I will move on down the list until we have 12 confirmed participants. Should be competitive (the Experts league winner Ryan Carey has already signed up, for example), and that’s the bottom line for me. So let me know if you are interested.

  5. Randy BoBandy says:
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    I’d avoid Kinsler for next season. Check out his splits from this season:

    Home:
    .293, 66 runs, 14 HR, 44 RBI, 12 SB.

    Away:
    .220, 39 runs, 5 HR, 28 RBI, 9 SB. OBP = .290!!

    And there is only 1 AB difference between his home & away games. He’s on the wrong side of 30 now me thinks!

    • Nats12 says:
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      @Randy BoBandy,

      Wow, thanks for the heads up on that one.

      I’ll be avoiding Kinsler unless I can get him at a nice discount vs his cost this year, which is pretty unlikely.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Randy BoBandy, Yeah, great heads up!

  6. Mike says:
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    GRey can you do a feature on who gained or lost eligibility from 2012?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Mike, I do it in December…

  7. Hooverville says:
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    No Allen Craig love? He had a pretty awesome year-

    22hr, 76 Rs, 92 RBI, 2 SBs, .307 BA in only 469 ABs

    • Chris says:
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      @Hooverville,

      I think the Player Rater only gives eligibility to those who actually played the required amount of games at a position in 2012. And I don’t think Craig had more than just a couple games at 2B this year at most.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Hooverville, Craig didn’t play 2nd base this year and only a couple the year before…

  8. royce! says:
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    In the RCL Original Recipe, I actually drafted three crappy 2B- Ackley, Walker and Murphy- hoping one would pan out. Looking at that now, it’s no wonder that you panned my team.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @royce!, Did you keep all three of them all year?

      • royce! says:
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        @Grey, Shizz no! I shed them throughout the season…let’s see…dropped Walker 5/19 for Fatt Adams, Ackley 6/25 for Beckham, and6/19 for Espinosa. I picked Murphy back up a few times. After June, I guess I used Beckham or cobbled together a 2B from hot schmotatos. Then I traded McCann for Uggla, which just made my team worse…

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Ha… Yeah, crazy the stats Vin put up that a good 2nd baseman basically guaranteed you an average team…

  9. Adam says:
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    I dropped Kipnis a few weeks into the season and was REALLY regretting that one. Luckily, I picked up Hill from waivers somewhere around mid-season and stuck with him the rest of the way though.

    Might just be that I was still stinging from that Kipnis drop early in the season, but I really appreciated what Hill was bringing to the table. Just so solid across the board.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Adam, Gotcha… Yeah, probably didn’t hurt you to notice because of what you lost with Kipnis….

  10. Jon says:
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    I get what you’re saying in the Cano blurb – you wouldn’t want to draft by positional rankings over just straight overall ranking. That being said, does your pre-season top 300 or the Player Rater factor in positions? Cano’s 11 in the PR means he had a better year than EE’s 12, right? Even if they both played 1B?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Jon, It means Cano’s year was better…. Yeah, I factor in positions and the Player Rater factors in positions…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Sky, Ha

    • Jack Full of Hate says:
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      @Sky, very nice, I should of listened to you than grey when it comes to getting to 2nd BASEmen. Howie Doo Doo, shat the bed….no he shat all over my house then rubbed MY nose in it.

      • Sky

        Sky says:
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        @Jack Full of Hate, Ha, well trust me, it’s the only base I know how to get to.

        Of course, my Seager call was spot on in the average department, close in the steals department but only half of his HR department. And of course I dropped him like two weeks later in the league I had him. Ended up starting Gio-nuttella or whatever that KC guy’s name is in my 2-2B league for the rest of the season after the break. That was fun.

        • Jack Full of Hate says:
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          @Sky, you are literally a boob man.

          • Sky

            Sky says:
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            @Jack Full of Hate, I see the double entendre of your statement and agree with both.

            • Jack Full of Hate says:
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              @Sky, yes! you and grey’s approval are what keep me going…

    • royce! says:
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      @Grey, Ha! Thus far, Miggy is the only player that had a more positive impact on a team’s average finish than Altuve. Hill had some impact, but not that great. Overall, outside of Altuve, it seems like one’s choice of 2B had very little impact on their finish. Very interesting stuff.

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        Yeah, crazy how average Cano made you…

    • royce! says:
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      @Grey, Which I think supports the argument that it is best to punt 2B.

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        All MI… And catcher… I’m punting my entire team…

    • Jack Full of Hate says:
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      @Grey, the table shows me that, its not about punting necessarily, but finding value later. If you wasted early picks on “elite” 2B you probably are not an elite fantasy player and you missed out on the talent it takes to win it all. It seems like every year a handful of MI emerge that really outperform what anyone else thinks where in other positions you are less likely see someone wake up one day and become a tier 2 or even a low 1 at 1B or OF or 3B. You get the point.

      I think I could do a 7 – 8 minute stand up bit on my team this year and at least 3 of it would be spent on Kendrick. Now I just need to find a venue in the LA area with both an amateur night and a crowd with people that play fantasy.

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        Thing is Cano doesn’t seem to be a wasted pick… Shoot, he was better than Longo, Tulo, Votto… But he made you take a different strength position later so you ended up at a disadvantage anyway…

        • Jack Full of Hate says:
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          @Grey, Its not that its guaranteed to hurt you but your probability of winning it all goes down the drain if you were banking on Goldschmidt or Billy Butler to take you to the promised land on draft day because you drafted Cano over Fielder. Butler proved alot of people wrong but you can’t draft in hind sight unless you own a Delorean. And with the examples you gave those were all injured players and you can’t factor that come draft day, of course with Tulo or Longo there is always the injury risk you take, but Votto’s injury came out of left field this year.

          I have argued with Awesomous about the luck that goes into fantasy baseball. You can try and be as smart and conservative as possible. But the guy that drafted Dunn, Encarnacion, and Willingham this year and coupled that with Jim Johnson and AJ Burnett, who i did like alot going into the year because I have a thing for AL pitchers that move to the NL, is not a skillful roster but one that got the sun shinning on its ass for once, draft that again and you probably don’t win.

          • Grey

            Grey says:
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            Yeah, Rudy’s posting some results next week comparing everyone projections from all sites, which is a continuation of something he posted last March, but basically you can get about 20% there on knowledge… There’s a lot of luck involved whenever is said and done…

            • Jack Full of Hate says:
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              @Grey, I am really writing some long ass posts, i must be making up for how little I have done lately. I just wait till we can get back to talking about food and TV again, or TV about food…

              Thats why I have a list of fantasy philosophies that if you stick by will lead you to top 3 finishes and the chance to win it all.

              • Grey

                Grey says:
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                Are you gonna tell us your philosophies?

                • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                  @Grey, that might take a while to put them down in print, i will work on some, that don’t sound like some of yours and post them when I get them written down.

                  confessional booth time, I started liking Razzball because we saw eye to eye on many things and hence made my life easier.

                  • Grey

                    Grey says:
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                    Yeah, the documentary’s great… Watching it with the commentary now, probably first time I’ve done this since film school… Cool, on the philosophies, was just wondering… It takes years to perfect fantasy baseball, and even then you’re at the whims of players’ health, motivation and still luck…

                    • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                      @Grey, Oh you asked and now some long winded semi philosophical ramblings will follow.

                      You never watch movies with the commentaries on? Sometimes those are a hidden Gem, or in the case of Conan the barbarian it turns an action/adventure movie and turns it into a comedy with Arnold talking the entire time, literally the entire time!

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Yeah, I usually don’t listen to them either, but I loved that movie so much and like Michael Rappaport that I wanted to listen… It was good too… Pretty unnecessary as most commentaries are, but still decent…

                    • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                      @Grey, Are you a fan of the original Conan?

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Neither seen it… Not a fan of action movies, usually…

                    • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                      @Grey, I figured with the heavy hip hop background that you would be action friendly. Never even as a kid did you not enjoy action flicks. Star Wars? Raider? I enjoy the guilty pleasure of different types of genres. I think its the whole you never know what you will get out of this flick. Sometimes some of the most profound shit is covered in garbage. Its also mindless entertainment to make me forget that life can suck and this will hopefully kill that for 90 to 100 minutes.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Yeah, I liked them as a kid… I like them now too if they’re done well… But they rarely are… Matrix was great, the sequels were hideous… In general, I tend to give less leeway to an action movie… If I know two movies are going to be bad, I’ll watch the bad comedy before the bad action movie…

                    • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                      @Grey, absolutely hear you on that one. I’m not the biggest fan of alot of the contemporary action flicks, I think they try to hide the fact that they are crap where some of the old ones never tried to hide their crapness. I would take a bad comedy over a bad action all day. Some movies that where suppose to be bad comedies turned out to be very entertaining.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Yeah, maybe my taste level has changed (I’d hope so, but sometimes I doubt it), but old action films are cheesy as hell but feel like classics, while new one action films sometimes feel like action for action sake with no cheese…

                    • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                      @Grey, I could of not put that any better, but thats why you’re a writer and I’m a guy typing in my recliner. The cheese is what makes it palatable. I can remember watching movies like Uncommon Valor or Missing in Action and never thinking it was cheese, it was just how they made movies and now they make movies like crap, they are so cool that they try to make cheese and its crap. I’m feeling some hate rising

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Preach on, preacher… Van Damme movies were ridiculously cheesy, now you have movies with Vin Diesel that are supposed to be serious… Seriously?

                    • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                      @Grey, the cars are what save Vin’s “good” flicks. Funny you bring up Van Damme. I liked his movies but was always watching them thinking I would rather be watching Chuck Norris flicks. Lone Wolf McQuade was a regular rental and always watched when it came on TV.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Yeah, I never was into Chuck, please don’t let him ever know that…

                    • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                      @Grey, I’ll keep a lid on that, I don’t want anything to happen to Senor Gris

  11. TheNewGuy says:
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    I love you CC, what a horse!!

    Get in there Yanks, Tigers here we come.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yup, the girth carried them today…

  12. letsgobravos says:
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    Looks like the horse shoe may have finally fallen out of the cards’ collective asses. Gnats all over them like white on rice in the bottom of the 1st. double, triple HR already…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, loving that… About time… Love to see the Nats move forward….Even if it means Zimmerman continuing to haunt me…

  13. TheNewGuy says:
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    Nats on fire!!

    Be good to see them pull through, ive been quietly rooting for them all year. Great story.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, agreed… Wish Strasburg could be a part of it though…

      • royce! says:
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        @Grey, I’m not sure if I’ve mentioned this before- I think I may have thought about doing so, but never posted anything- but Strasburg’s mom lives nearby so once in a while I’ll meet people who knew him growing up. Earlier this season, a guy at the gym whose kids played against him in little league told me that Strasburg was a chubby kid that was terrible at pitching and would cry on the mound when opposing teams were crushing him. I have no way of confirming this, but it made me respect Strasburg in a weird way, because if I were that bad at pitching, I would have just stopped.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Weird that people that knew him growing up are like 19 years old and they knew him like 3 years ago… How old is his mom? 35?

          • royce! says:
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            @Grey, No idea, but she is retired. Which might just mean that Steven shared his signing bonus.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Oh, I’m sure she’s set for life… Endorsements alone…

  14. Hondo says:
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    When the Yankees win, babies who previously could barely crawl leap off office buildings like tiny Jamaican track stars.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      HA! We’re the Yankees, we free Jamaican babies.

  15. royce! says:
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    This Harper kid is pretty good! Why isn’t anyone talking about him?

    Seriously, though, that’s a sweet swing- it’s no wonder why people have been flipping out about him for so long.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Never heard of him. Who?

  16. papasmurf says:
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    I didn’t realize second base was so ugly this year. I had Cuddyer and Craig play 2b this year so I was pretty lucky in hindsight. Too bad neither will qualify at 2b next year.

    Does anyone know of any 1n/OF types who played enough at 2b to qualify next year?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Hmm… I’ve had a few drinks at dinner, but I’m not thinking of any right now…

  17. Steve says:
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    Thanks to the book ‘October 1964′ – which I COMMAND you all to read (especially you, Grey) – I have a soft spot for the Cards, and I also have a Cards hat. But with all apologies to Hippo, I really want the Nats to come through from this series…

    • Steve says:
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      @Steve, And once again, with feeling. To subscribe to the post, y’know?

    • royce! says:
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      @Steve, Nice, now I’ve got some baseball reading for the offseason!

      • Steve says:
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        @royce!, Such a great book. Love Halberstam.

  18. Steve says:
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    Might have just jinxed them there…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I should’ve known there was some jinxing going on here…

  19. Steve says:
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    Jesus, Storen. That was horrible. Really horrible.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Looks terrible in the box score, can only imagine…

  20. Letsgobravos says:
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    Jesus h Christ. I retract my earlier statement. The cards lucky horse shoe is still firmly in place up their asses. They are going to win back to back WS’s. Their luck is an unstoppable force.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Nooooooo… Ugh, just got home from dinner to that… Blech…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Damn….The Cards are charmed…

  21. Steve says:
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    Oh man. Cards fans won’t agree, but I don’t know how you can like sport and not feel sorry for the Nats right now. That’s heartbreaking.

    • Steve says:
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      @Steve, That said, you gotta be able to defend a 6 run lead in the playoffs.

      Is it just me or is it the four least interesting teams that are left?

      • royce! says:
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        @Steve, Yep. All four of the teams I was rooting for were eliminated…but I’ve bounced back and am rooting for the Tigers now. Do it for the industrial wasteland!

        • Steve says:
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          @royce!, And my dad was a Ford dealer and I’ve been to Detroit – in 1984…

          Good enough for me!

          • royce! says:
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            @Steve, I watched Robocop repeatedly as a kid…I’m sure that counts for something…

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        Nats and A’s were the most interesting by far… Now it’s the favorites and the win and cheese Giants…

        • Steve says:
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          @Grey, Giants have the best ‘pen?

          Bochy seems to mix and match pretty well…

          • Grey

            Grey says:
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            How he keeps it straight in his head, we’ll never know… I think you’re right, their offense is the worst though…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, agreed… Oh well… Next year Strasburg can go a full season…

  22. TheNewGuy says:
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    Holy crap Storen, what a royal f%$k up.

    With 2 outs too, reminds you of the 2012 WS! Hats off to the Cards though, they really never know when they’re beat.

    Nats fans must be gutted though…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, not his finest hour… Hopefully he doesn’t carry it with him into 2013…

  23. Dave the Barber says:
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    I el oh el’d at the thought of you stomping Howie Kendrick in a dark alley. I traded away Espinosa and Valverde to get Him and Tori Hunter so I would definitely hold hands with you to help maintain balance and gain leverage as we simultaneously Timberlanded his face in. I’m not touching Storen … Remember how Brad Lidge pitched after the Cardinals ended his season, and he’s right there in the same bullpen passing that negative chi forward to Drew. I’m good. But I have to give you credit for helping me win my league, I drafted McCutchen right where you had him ranked and I drafted Price, Gallardo, and MadBum in a row then I took Gio in the 12th round based on your rankings. So thank you brother, you are a gentleman and a scholar. Keep up the good work.

    • TheNewGuy says:
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      @Dave the Barber, Sick, sick rotation! Nice work, bet you won your league with that staff.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Sweet, glad the good outweighed the bad for your fantasy team… I actually never drafted Kendrick because I was in every league with Funston and his hard-on for him out-reached my hard-on, but when I tout someone as much as Kendrick, I’d still like to see them succeed…

  24. TheNewGuy says:
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    Reckon Buck and McCarver have the call tonight? God I hope they do, last Yankees play by play guy was horrendous, although I did like hearing John Smoltz’ take.

    Know many don’t like Joe and Tim, but I’ve always quite liked listening to them. Always get a sense of importance of the game when they’re commentating.

    • TheNewGuy says:
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      @TheNewGuy, Nope, they must be saved just for the WS.

      Oh well, Smoltz and Darling are good.

      C’mon Yankees! Old warhorse Andy P out there, who else could you ask for to battle and give you a solid start in game 1.

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        You like Tim McCarver? Hmm… Well, guess that’s why there’s chocolate and vanilla…

      • VinWins

        VinWins says:
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        @TheNewGuy, Lucky Joe Buck fans can watch him do the Giants – 49ers this afternoon and Giants – Cards tonight.

  25. TheNewGuy says:
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    Are….you…kidding….me.

    Tigers escape 2 bases loaded jams after we hit the ball hard twice, both on bang bang plays.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Just got home from a BBQ, so about to start watching… Doesn’t look like I’ve missed much…

  26. BigFatHippo says:
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    As long as —-> THIS GUY <—- falls asleep (passes out) before the 9th inning every game the Cardinals are destined to win 12 in '12.

    Damn, I miss everything!

    Fuck shaving, showering and shitting………(well, not bodily functions, can't do much about that)

    Not gonna miss another 9th inning. I can stink up the workplace and rock a playoff beard with the best of em………….

    Viva le disheveled BigFatHippo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      You’re the secret weapon… Now go to sleep!

  27. TheNewGuy says:
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    YEEESSSS UNBELIEVABLE! Raul Strikes again!

    • Wake Up says:
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      @TheNewGuy, that dude is raully hot!

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        Ha… Nice…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      The announcers obviously didn’t own Valverde in fantasy this year cause they seem totally surprised how awful he’s been…

      • Wake Up says:
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        @Grey, I know right…they were also completely shocked that ARod got pinch hit for tonight…

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          They probably also think it’s reasonable that Raul is Big Head Bonds…

      • Wake Up says:
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        @Grey, and I guess NYY fans wouldn’t be good GMs because they hated the Ibanez and Ichiro pickups…I wonder how Damon and Matsui did tonight…

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Did they hate it? Yankee fans seem like the type to acquire pretty pieces that were once good…

      • TheNewGuy says:
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        @Grey, Ha totally, I benched him most of 2nd half. WOuld’ve cut him but I feared the guy behind could overtake me in saves, albeit at a cost.

        Wake Up, I liked the pickups particular Ichiro at the time. Didn’t expect Raul to be this cool though!!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yeah, I lived through plenty of terrible Valverde games…

      • Steve says:
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        @Grey, We know this Valverde only too well.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          I get heartburn still watching him…

  28. Steve says:
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    That is terrible fielding. Not easy, but you’ve got a glove the size of an effing wash basket – you gotta catch that.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, bad play but somehow the announcers made it about an injured Jeter…

      • Steve says:
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        @Grey, Oh – was talking about the Swisher misplay.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Ah… Gotcha…

  29. Steve says:
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    Don’t want to hate on A-Rod too much – I mean the contract isn’t his fault and he’s still giving a pretty good account of himself at 37, but he’s hitting behind Russell Martin?

    Good grief.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      He needs to start using FedEx…

  30. Steve says:
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    Grey – did the shuttle go anywhere near your house?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha…Nah, nowhere near me… Was down by LAX which is by Inglewood — Snoop Dogg territory…

      • Steve says:
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        @Grey, Snoop Lion, if you don’t mind.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          It’s weird how two favorites come together in baseball and there’s less interest… Is it the only sport like that?

          • Steve says:
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            @Grey, Could be. I wonder if it’s related to the seasons these teams have had?

            Nothing very exceptional about them – they just did their thing and won their division. Nothing particularly notable about them…

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Yeah, could be but after 162 games any team that wins a division has to do something exceptional, no?

              • Steve says:
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                @Grey, Oh – not downplaying the achievement. if you’re the best after 162 games you’ve *earned* it.

                I guess there’s no ‘let’s see if they can keep the fairytale going’ aspect to it. People expected them to make it – and they did. Whoever wins, wins. It’s not like it will be a huge upset wither way.

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Yeah, that’s true… Hard to root for the favorites… Just feels like in say the NFL people have less issue rooting for a favorite… Though in the NBA people do seem against rooting for Miami… Maybe it’s a salary cap issue…

                  • Steve says:
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                    @Grey, Are Yankees fans just not as rabid as others? Did I read somewhere that attendances have been down this year?

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      I think it’s like anything, because of so much success it starts to breed an apathy…

                    • royce! says:
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                      @Steve, I think the price of tickets factors into it, though the current batch of fans might have gotten a bit spoiled over the last decade. The infield seats are prohibitively expensive during the regular season, and I can only imagine how much they cost in the postseason. They’re probably mostly owned by corporations/lawfirms/etc. because they can write them off, so the people who actually use the seats are there more as a status thing than because they are truly fans. That’s my two cents, at least.

                      I wholly support eliminating the tax deduction for this sort of entertainment, btw, because it results in the prices for true fans being so much higher and the people in the good seats being there because of reasons other than their being true fans.

                    • Steve says:
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                      @royce!, Can’t argue with any of that.

                      I also think that the limitless availability of sports coverage and its tiniest minutiae across a season, means that people are exhausted by the time the really important games roll around.

                    • royce! says:
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                      @Steve, I’m just getting started!

  31. Steve says:
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    Even Coke is getting clean innings now? Yankees are doomed.

  32. Steve says:
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    So Descalso and Kozma are the dominant figures of the postseason?

    Of course they are.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      In the tradition of the once dominant October hero David Eckstein…

  33. royce! says:
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    I’m rooting for the Cards in the NLCS, but only because they have better beards. It’s come down to that. Every one of the teams I rooted for was eliminated.

    Although the psycho-Pence story line has me intrigued…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’m with ya… Psycho Pence and a beard would put things over the top…

      • royce! says:
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        @Grey, Did you miss them replaying his dugout pep talk? There was no audio, but the commentators did note that he hasn’t blinked since the start of the postseason.

        • Steve says:
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          @royce!, He moves like Eric Byrnes.

          • royce! says:
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            @Steve, And looks like Woody Harrelson on crack.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          He hasn’t blinked? Pence is on coke? Nah, I missed the dugout pep talk, but baseball needs a new psycho…

  34. Steve says:
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    Some great stuff from the respective bullpens there.

    Mad-Bum – you can go stand in the corner.

  35. Molly Lee says:
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    Not on-topic, but your biggest female fan needs your advice pullleeeeez …. About to make a draft pick in a “dispersal” draft in a Keeper league. Best draft choices seem to be: Roy Halladay, Lance Lynn, and Dexter Fowler. Your thoughts??

  36. pubscout says:
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    grey- would you trade grandy for headley in a keeper league? i don’t like grandy in 2013, but i don’t trust headley either. 20/15 would be great, but i fear he’ll look more like the pre-2012 headley. headley or grandy for 2013?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I think they’re actually close, but I’d go Grandy…

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