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We already went over the top 20 catchers and the top 20 1st basemen for 2011 fantasy baseball.  Today, it’s all about the top 20 2nd basemen.  The 2nd basemen pool was shallow, and, for the first time in as long as I can remember, the 2nd basemen, shortstops and 3rd basemen were more or less of equal depth.  For instance, Darwin Barney was ranked 20th for 2nd basemen and 19th for shortstops, and Daniel Murphy was ranked 15th for 2nd basemen and 16th for 3rd basemen.  To recap, this final ranking for last year is from ESPN Player Rater with my comments.  The Player Rater allows me to be impartial while looking at how I ranked them in the preseason.  Anyway, here’s the top 20 2nd basemen for 2011 fantasy baseball and how they compare to where I originally ranked them:

1. Dustin Pedroia – It didn’t hurt Pedroia that the Sawx were in the hunt for a playoff spot until the very end of September.  Lot better than guys who are coasting through the last two weeks.  Pedroia actually didn’t exceed expectations by as much as his stats would seem.  What he did was get more PAs than were on the last Michael Bay film.  When a player exceeds 700 plate appearances, he’s bound to put up some good stats, unless his name is Nick Markakis.  Preseason Rank #4, 2011 Projections:  105/15/65/.290/15, Final Numbers:  102/21/91/.307/26

2. Robinson Cano – The curious case of Robinson Cano.  In the preseason, I said he was overrated, yet I gave him projections pretty close to where he ended up.  So was I right and he was overrated?  I’m gonna say no.  He wasn’t quite the 1st round pick that some people were making him, but considering how terrible most high picks did and how shallow 2nd base is, Cano provided stability and stats.  Preseason Rank #1, 2011 Projections:  100/27/100/.310/3, Final Numbers:  104/28/118/.302/8

3. Ian Kinsler – In the preseason, I ranked Kinsler above where most ‘perts had him.  I wanted to believe he could stay healthy one of these years.  Bingo bango!  Preseason Rank #2, 2011 Projections:  85/22/60/.270/17, Final Numbers:  121/32/77/.255/30

4. Michael Young – Went over him in the top 20 1st basemen for 2011 post.

5. Brandon Phillips – He seems like he’s always planking on a 18/14 season give or take a few homers and steals.  His average was high for him this year.  That was partly due to his line drive rate being up, partly due to his luck.  Maybe The Ghost of a Racist Marge Schott was trying to make amends by helping some of his seeing-eye hits get through.  Preseason Rank #3, 2011 Projections:  85/20/70/.270/17, Final Numbers:  94/18/82/.300/14

6. Ben Zobrist – He had three big months (April, July and September) and three terrible months.  Like off the charts bad (June:  zero homers and 2 steals; August:  1 homer, .250; May:  2 homers, 0 steals, .232 and only 5 RBIs in 99 ABs; that’s e to the gregious).  I never feel confident enough to draft Zobrist because he still seems like an overachieving utility man to me, but as Zobrist would say, “Don’t call me a utility man and don’t call Creed Christian rock.”  Preseason Rank #8, 2011 Projections:  70/15/70/.260/15, Final Numbers:  99/20/91/.269/19

7. Howie Kendrick – Went over him in the top 20 1st basemen for 2011 post.

8. Michael Cuddyer – Went over him in the top 20 1st basemen for 2011 post.

9. Ryan Roberts – First time in a long time that I can remember the first out of nowhere name being this low on a year end list of 2nd basemen.  Usually someone will sneak into the top 5 for a shallow position.  Last year, Kelly Johnson and Casey McGehee exceeded expectations.  The year before Zobrist and Aaron Hill emerged.  I’m not sure what this means, but I think it means something.  Razzball:  Where We Raise Questions We Can’t Answer!  Preseason Unranked, Final Numbers:  86/19/65/.249/18

10. Dan Uggla – When I explained in the preseason why I had Uggla a bit lower than some other ‘perts, here’s what I said, “The reason why he’s ranked below some of the guys above but his projections look as good if not better is because A) Kinsler has the biggest upside.  B) Phillips and Pedroia are safer.  C) Uggla has the biggest downside in one category, i.e. he could hit .240.”  And that’s me quoting me!  In the end, he didn’t quite get to .240.  Yup.  Preseason Rank #5, 2011 Projections:  90/32/100/.265/5, Final Numbers:  88/36/82/.233/1

11. Neil Walker – Couple of things come to mind when I see how close my preseason projections were to the final numbers for Neil Walker.  A) I ranked him lower than he ended up, which means 2nd base was even shallower than I thought it would be.  B) His numbers were terrible and he still ranked this high, which is more just a continuation of the first point.  C) There’s no C.  Preseason Rank #15, 2011 Projections:  65/15/75/.260/7, Final Numbers:  76/12/83/.273/9

12. Rickie Weeks – In the preseason, I called Rickie Weeks overrated because of his injury risk.  As I said then and will say again, it was the easiest call of the preseason.  Preseason Rank #6, 2011 Projections:  85/18/65/.250/14, Final Numbers:  77/20/49/.269/9

13. Danny Espinosa – I pushed Espinosa pretty hard in the preseason because, as always, I ignore average and get all pumped up on power and speed.  He succeeded and failed where I thought he would.  Preseason Rank #21, 2011 Projections:  60/15/70/.245/17, Final Numbers:  72/21/66/.236/17

14. Jemile Weeks – Will probably be overdrafted next year.  I say this because he hasn’t shown any power, he plays in a terrible park with a terrible team and his walk rate (in the majors, at least) was pretty bleh.  With all that said (here comes opposite talk!), he had a great season for a midseason call-up.  He gave you what you were hoping to get from Chone Figgins (Member him?  No, I don’t either.).  Preseason Unranked, Final Numbers:  50/2/36/.303/22

15. Daniel Murphy – How kiddie pool shallow were the 2nd basemen?  Murphy ranked this high and he played his last game on August 7th.  Three ladies and gentlemen, your 2011 2nd basemen!  Preseason Unranked, Final Numbers:  49/6/49/.320/5

16. Kelly Johnson – He seems to alternate years with a hard-to-digest average.  (In 2009, it was .224.)  This coincides with a poor BABIP.  This year’s BABIP wasn’t as bad as 2009, but his K-rate was terrible, which helped attribute to the poor average.  He should be able to bounce back next year, but that’s far from a lock.  Preseason Rank #13, 2011 Projections:  80/17/.260/60/12, Final Numbers:  75/21/58/.222/16

17. Aaron Hill – Fitting that Hill and Johnson would be tied together in the year-end rankings, since they were swapped mid-year and had very similar seasons in the general sense.  In the specific, their seasons were totally different.  Hill looked to be an average issue hitter that could at least give you power.  Not this year.  His power completely evaporated.  Oddly enough, he doubled his line drive rate from 2010 and lowered his K-rate.  In short (which I only say after going long), Hill’s season made no sense.  Seriously, I can’t make heads or tails of it.  Yes, even in hindsight it’s not 20/20.  It will take some brass ones to go all in on Hill again next year, but I’m leaning that way right now.  Preseason Rank #7, 2011 Projections:  80/25/85/.275/5, Final Numbers:  61/8/61/.246/21

18. Martin Prado – During the preseason, I ranked him extremely low at 17th overall for 2nd basemen.  This was such blasphemy, Matthew Berry called me out during one of his chats to say I was stoopid (sic).  Turned out I didn’t rank him low enough, with rank being the key word.  Preseason Rank #17, 2011 Projections:  85/12/60/.300/5, Final Numbers:  66/13/57/.260/4

19. Chase Utley – Sadly, the Utley we fell in love with in 2005 is no longer with us.  This new version is brittle like his pomade after it dries.  On a side note, with the loss of Howard for most if not all of 2012 and Utley’s deteriorating health, the Phils got weak fast.  Preseason Rank #4, 2011 Projections:  50/14/55/.280/5, Final Numbers:  54/11/44/.259/14

20. Darwin Barney – I didn’t rank him in the preseason and he shouldn’t even be ranked now.  The Purple Evolutionist’s final numbers show a guy that was helpful for a couple weeks here and there, but if you owned him all year, you lost your league.  Preseason Unranked, Final Numbers:  66/2/43/.276/9

  1. Tony says:
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    Prediction: Uggla falls back to the 6th round where he shoulda went this year but got overhyped because of his 2010….

    2B has alot of potential, but no guys that really jump out, if you want a guy to hit for good avg you better grab CANO or Pedroia… bc everyone else is a frikkin crap shoot and could hit .300 or could hit .220….

  2. royce! says:
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    re: Francona’s burn from last thread–

    Joe Buck said that the last team to win four consecutive postseason games by one run was the 1914 Red Sox. Without missing a beat, Francona asked if Wakefield was on the team.

  3. Mark says:
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    I actually think that although perhaps it was technically shallow in that there were very few high end options, its a bit misleading to just look at it that way. The thing about 2B this year was that there was so little spread from top to bottom. There were almost no flawless players (probably just Pedroia) and there were tons of guys who gave you useful low end production that were plucked off the wire a few months in (Espinosa, J. Weeks, Ackley, Murphy). It was a very difficult position to really screw up, unless you drafted too high on a guy like Utley or Uggla or took Hill or Kelly Johnson in the 8th round expecting 30 HR or something. My strategy in most leagues was pretty much wait to see who fell the far enough for comfort out of the mid and lower tier draft guys like Zobrist, Hill, Beckham, Walker, Johnson etc., and even when I wound up with a guy like Beckham who was completely useless, I found someone on the wire who gave me the kind of production I was expecting after waiting that long to draft a 2B anyway (although I will admit, in my main league, I drafted Kinsler, but that was partly just the way the draft went and partly because I knew there would be some extra emphasis on positional scarcity and I didn’t necessarily want to wait on both 2B and MI).

  4. Racehorse says:
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    Grey,

    I was going to frame a question in what I thought would’ve been funny & witty (and clean), but what the heck, I’m pressed for time… so…

    In yahoo leagues, Prado will lose second base eligibilty opening day 2012. Is he now useless?

  5. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Tony: Yeah, sounds about right on Uggla. Then he hits .260 and 30+ homers this year.

    @royce!: Ha! Wait… Hahahahaha… Oh, snap.

    @Mark: These guys you mention: Hill, Beckham, Walker, Johnson… Had major issues. Not just Beckham. Though it does matter how deep the league is we’re talking about.

    @Racehorse: You come back and be funny! Okay, not necessary. Prado’s been useless.

  6. chata says:
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    cliff lee decides he wants to play in a world series .
    how’s that decision looking now , cliff ?

    if philly doesn’t make a move for prince fielder
    and get young real quick (rollins , oswalt , utley) ,
    even with pence , you might be playing in front of angry
    philly fans for the duration of your contract .

  7. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @chata: I don’t think Fielder is the answer. He’s going to get old quick too because of his body type.

  8. Tony says:
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    @chata: @Grey: i agree i dont see philly going for fat prince…. maybe REYES? or brandon phillips? which phillips is no spring chicken, and utleys not out the door yet…. How long is Howard looking to be out?

  9. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Tony: Reyes could happen… Howard could be out for up to a year.

  10. Tony says:
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    @Grey: that would be crappy if Howards down for a year, i bet they rehab him back to shape for 2012….. we’ll see.

    I say REYES is outta ny, so he’s gotta go somewhere, and he didn’t bench himself to win that batting title to make pennies, he’s going to want big bucks, i can see philly paying….. with reyes and victorino philly would be running wild…. and pence would be knocking them in!

  11. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Tony: The Phils pitching should make up for any hitting issues… Reyes is so outta NY, but not sure Philly is the place he ends up. It would be tremendous for his fantasy value though if he did end up there. Could have a top ten overall type fantasy season.

  12. chata says:
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    @Grey: @Tony:

    howard is preliminarily expected to be out 6-9 months .
    prudent thing , for him , would be to miss the entire 2012 season .
    he turns 32 years old , next month .

    so , i must disagree , i don’t think fielder … 28 years old at the start
    the 2012 season , will be viewed by the phils as too old , or as the
    type that will age too fast , especially since the entire starting line-up (pence , excluded) is over 30 years old .

    rollins is asking for 5 years (i laugh) , so reyes might be an option .

    but with the 2nd largest payroll in the league , who’s going to play
    first base ? utley ??

    considering the payroll , the pitchers’ contracts , the fan base , etc .
    i think the pressure will be on their front office to sign the
    big prince of mil-$-aire .

    should be the most interesting off-season that we’ve seen in a long
    time ….. considering the 3 top dogs (yanks , sawx , and phils) will
    be looking to re-vamp major portions of their rosters …..
    especially if nolan ryan can coax c.c to buy in to the texas dream .

  13. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @chata: Fielder will want 7+ years and the Phils need a stopgap so I don’t think they fit. Probably will let Mayberry play 1st for a little while, maybe take on an Overbay or Wigginton type.

  14. mc serch says:
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    @chata: Reyes in Philly would be the ultimate middle finger to Met fans and ownership…..hadn’t realized Rollins is a free agent….I could see Philly spending that money elsewhere but don’t think it will be on Prince. What happens when Howard comes back in that scenario? Neither one can play any other position and they would both be locked into big long-term deals. I think big John Mayberry and maybe a slick fielding late inning defensive replacement can hold down the fort until Howard returns.
    And I hadn’t heard the CC to Texas chatter Chata (ha!), that would be one interesting development … I wouldn’t cry if the Yanks let CC go, they got what they wanted out of the dude, no need to double down on him now

  15. mc serch says:
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    @Grey: hahaha re: Philly 1B sitch…great minds and all that shizz!

  16. Eddy says:
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    @Steve:

    Ugh.

    Steve, c’mon now, write **spoiler alert** next time!!

  17. Steve says:
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    @Eddy: Aw, sorry man. Assumed most would have seen it by now.

  18. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @mc serch: See, you get what I’m saying…literally at the same time I’m saying it.

    @Steve: There seems to be a core group of guys at every position with a few moving in and out each year. Deeper the pool, the bigger the core. I think there might be less guys in the middle, but that might just be perception rather than reality. Entourage sucked to the bitter end and I watched it until then.

  19. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Steve: Sorry, sucked is too easy. Soul-less is more like it.

  20. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Yeah – I can see that too.

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    after getting 2 fastballs blown by him ,
    cabrera shows that good hitters can hit the pitch that’s off the plate .

    lewis would have been better off trying to repeat that 2nd fastball
    down the middle .

    easy to say , now .
    but you could just see it playing itself out like it did .

  22. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @chata: I missed it, went to a Dancing With The Stars taping. First time I’ve ever seen the show, hopefully last.

  23. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Good lord.

  24. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Steve: You have no idea. Painful four hours. I do wish the ratio of girls to guys that were there was like that at bars or night clubs. Hey now!

  25. Steve says:
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    @Grey: To be honest, my first thought as that you must have gone WITH a girl…

  26. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Steve: I went because a friend is dating Ms. Wpypopmpipnpg and she works on the show. And she’s hot as dog balls.

  27. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Can’t argue with that.

    I’m guessing you didn’t say that to her face.

  28. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Steve: Ha… No, I didn’t. This friend has also dated Jpepspspipcpa Aplpbpa. I’d like to come back in my next life handsome.

  29. chata says:
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    @Grey:

    so , what are you saying ? …… you were so miserable the whole time
    that nobody wanted to hook you up ??
    man , that sucks .

  30. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Ha! This sounds just like an episode of Entourage!

  31. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @chata: Ha…No, was’t saying that. Saying I was bored watching Chaz Bono, Ricki Lake and other people I don’t know.

    @Steve: Ha! It does, right? Only my friend’s not a toolbag.

  32. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Guess it depends which character you are (emoticon).

    It’s weird – I’m old enough to remember Sonny and Cher when Chastity (as he was then) was about 4 years old and they’d bring her out on stage at the end of the show.

  33. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Steve: Yeah, he looks like Ralph Kramden now. I’m Turtle.

  34. Mark says:
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    @grey

    Right, but my point was for every guy who was drafted and had major issues, there was someone undrafted in standard leagues who gave you what you were reasonably expecting anyway. I just used Beckham because he was the most useless out of that group, but you could have drafted him and picked up Ackley, or you could have drafted figgins and picked up weeks, or Kelly Johnson and picked up Ryan Roberts, or hill and Espinosa, polanco and Murphy, etc. Even though average production from the position was fairly modest, replacement level was relatively high. In deeper leagues (16+ teamers or AL/NL onlies) it was a bit different, but it’s still imprudent to judge a position by average production without looking at the deviation from average on both ends. If top production is low and bottom production high, it’s misleading to call the position shallow. Compare it to 3B where you had some truly elite performances at the top (Bautista, Young, Ramirez) and nothing at the bottom (waiver guys were like Danny Valencia and Brent Morel) on top of which you had some major early round injuries and all out busts that meant any decent replacement player was gone quickly anyway. THAT is a shallow position.

  35. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Mark: Valencia compared to Young or Aramis is that different than Utley compared to Cano? Young is 2nd on 3rd basemen, he’s 4th here, so doesn’t that mean there’s more elite here?

  36. @Grey: Quite a bit of random info to cover here. 1. I met Chastity when she was a little girl. Not sure that’s her. Cust kayin’. 2. Heard a sign Swisher and trade that goofball to the Phils for Oswalt. Swishalishous keeps 1B warm, while Mayberry (& BIG John Mayberry is his Pops not him) keeps OF warm for when they no longer need Swish at 1st. Sound too good a deal for the Yanks. 3. Seen the horror flick on FX? Don’t know the name, caught it recorded by one of my kids (who are no longer allowed to watch it). Crazy, crazy shizz. 4. I’ve been trained not to keep pitchers BUTT, crazy to consider Kershaw over Teix? and Finally 5. Please provide any Hope “the only reason to watch” Solo info; even if you have to make something up.

  37. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @zombie: To start backwards, I have no info on Solo. She is pretty hot, but I didn’t even know who she was until I was told by my friend. Still don’t know how she’s famous. I know, I could Google it, prefer to make up in mind why she’s famous. A sex tape. 4. I’d keep Tex. 3. Don’t know what you’re talking about… Don’t like horror films in general. What’s the name of it? 2. That would make sense for the Yanks, don’t think it happens. 1. How did you meet her?

  38. zombie says:
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    Solo plays/ed goalie for the USA soccer squad. Tough to tell in an unflattering soccer uni. But she’s showing what’s underneath now. Just one night of roidrage with her… Your tape would do just fine, I guess.
    Sort of knew the Tex answer, just needed re-confirmation. Think the pathetic postseason may affect his draft status.
    & I think it’s “American Horror Story” on FX. Throwback Rosemary’s Baby business going on. Devil dressed like the gimp screwing Moms. Nuffsaid.
    & finally, folks took me to see Sonny & Cher back in the day. Went backstage and I’m pretty sure we shared an innocent hug. Hope that that didn’t affect her decision.

  39. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @zombie: Oh, the American Horror Story thing. Yeah, I haven’t watched it, but the poster/commercials make it look intense. I think the bad season average is gonna affect Tex’s draft status.

  40. re: cano: if a guy ends up with a slash line that almost exactly matches your preseason projection, in a sense he actually exceeded the projection, relative to everybody else, since offense was massively down across the majors this year. just a factor to keep in mind. you sort of imply this in your writeup but i thought it was worth explicitly talking about.

  41. Steve says:
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    @zombie: @Grey: This is why I love spending the (fantasy) offseason at Razzball.

    @Grey: If you’re ever in Sydney (or Melbourne I guess), you HAVE to go here:

    http://www.longrain.com.au/

  42. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @wily mo: Yeah, definitely implied and agreed.

    @Steve: After you click enter and menus, there’s a picture of something on the left side that looks like a pancake with an egg and it looks like the best thing I’d ever eat in my life. Did you eat here when you went into Australia recently?

  43. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Yup. It was awesome. About a two-minute walk from where my sister (who I was staying with) lives.

    The ‘Char grilled octopus & crisp pork belly with watermelon, roast chilli & black vinegar’ and ‘Caramelised pork hock with five spice & chilli vinegar’ are to kill for.

  44. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Steve: Those sound like they’re to kill for. Ugh, pork belly anything is to kill for. A friend of mine is going to Australia and New Zealand this winter and I said I might join her. Honestly, don’t think it’s gonna happen, but it has been discussed. Of course, I told my friend when/if we went to NZ, we’d have a place to stay.

  45. Steve says:
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    @Grey: You’d be more than welcome. Though I’ll need to clean out the shed.

    Re: the food. There have been so many times when I have been thinking about dinner (which I do an awful lot) and have thought “I don’t really know what I feel like but I feel like something bright and fresh”. At this place, I found that ‘something’.

  46. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Steve: Oh, you don’t have to stay in the shed. You can stay on the couch! Emoticon. I have to say I don’t ever think I’ve craved something bright and fresh. Though I have craved delicious. Last week I went for sushi twice at Katsu-ya in Studio City(Google it), and I had shishito peppers. Have you had these? It’s so weird how they’re not spicy, not spicy then suddenly spicy. It’s like they’re the Russian roulette of food.

  47. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Never had those peppers, though they sound pretty good – much like everything else at Katsu-ya by the looks.

    Maybe bright’s the wrong word. I mean, slow-cooked lamb is delicious too, but not in the same way as those Asian flavours (coriander, lime juice etc). Whatevs, it’s very satisfying to have a craving for something and then finding something that nails that craving.

    Jesus – I’m really hungry now, and it’s too early for lunch…

  48. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Steve: It’s never too early for sushi. That’s what my tattoo says, if I had a tattoo. Yeah, everything at Katsu-ya is incredible. They started doing this dish with spicy tuna on crispy rice and it’s literally become so popular that it’s at sushi restaurants on the east coast.

  49. izzy says:
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    Why no Ackley? I know he had a bad end to the season but I dont see how he gets left off over Barney. Am I missing something??

  50. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @izzy: You’re missing that this is a year-end recap, not a ranking for next year.

  51. chata says:
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    @Grey:

    your pre-season teams are both in trouble .
    better do the reverse voodoo dance , or we’re gonna see
    texas vs st loo in the series .

  52. VinWins

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    @Grey: OK, let’s see if I’m understanding this. You’re not going to use ESPN’s ranking of players for 2011 as your list of top players for 2012? I hope that works out for you.

  53. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @chata: I know! So close to being smart. Story of my life. Tigers aren’t out of it yet.

    @VinWins: Ha

  54. Bazzrall says:
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    Hey Grey! Help me pick my 14 keepers out of these guys:
    Mike Napoli, Eric Hosmer, Danny Espinosa, Alex Rodriguez, Jed Lowrie, Mark Trumbo, Ryan Braun, Shane Victorino, Torii Hunter, Delmon Young, Dayan Viciedo, Mike Moustakas, Brandon Belt, Devin Mesoraco

    Dan Haren, James Shields, Daniel Hudson, Julio Teheran, Neftali Feliz, Jeremy Hellickson, Cliff Lee, Doug Fister, Shelby Miller

  55. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Bazzrall: Hudson, Haren, Lee, Feliz, Hosmer, Espinosa, A-Rod, Trumbo, Braun, Victorino, Moose, Belt, Hellickson, Shields…

  56. chata says:
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    @Grey:

    hamilton with the feet-first slide into home plate … in the 11th .

    none of the announcers pick up on it .

  57. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @chata: Yeah, saw that.

  58. chata says:
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    considering all the shizz coming out of mccarver’s mouth ,
    and all of the stuff that joe buck jr talks about and doesn’t know ,
    it doesn’t surprise me .

    they hire only the best (?) umps for these play-offs .
    mlb ought to mandate that they use the best announcers .

    here’s looking at you ===> gracie .

  59. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @chata: I think McCarver needs to die to get removed from the booth. Agreed on Gracie. He would be the best replacement. Not looking good at all for my teams…

  60. chata says:
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    any fantasies of getting nelson cruz at a discount next year
    have all been shattered .

  61. Bazzrall says:
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    No Napoli?

  62. chata says:
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    avila … hitting 0.61 in the series .

    he hit .700 against me in h2h .

  63. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @chata: Don’t see why Cruz would’ve been discounted anyway.

    @Bazzrall: Can go with him over a Espinosa if you like… Guess it depends on how many catchers are being kept by others.

    @chata: Ain’t that always how it goes?

  64. chata says:
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    @Grey:

    screw that .

    i’ve been looking at my king felix for his bautista trade in my
    6 man keeper …. six ways to sunday .
    just can’t do it .

    even though my team suffered in the power numbers last year ,
    felix is only 25 years old .
    coupled with kershaw , i’ve got a one-two punch that’s going to rack up
    400+ K’s , a good era , and a decent whip for many years to come .

    a-gon , cano , hamilton , andrus
    kershaw & felix .

    who knows ? maybe this year’s draft will provide a better option
    at third base than ryan roberts .

  65. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @chata: Or you can look at it that there’s a lot of pitchers and you really only need one number one which is Kershaw.

  66. chata says:
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    @Grey:

    with five months left to go , there’s plenty of time to vacillate .

  67. chata says:
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    @Grey:

    so , when are you going to visit Rudy in Austin ?

    get him to take you to the ‘Salt Lick’ in Driftwood … just outside of town .
    order the brisket .
    http://www.saltlickbbq.com/

    that’s an open pit …. one of the last in the country .
    red oak … tempered with pecan shells .

  68. Grey

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    @chata: I’m headed there now… Rudy says the best BBQ is in gas stations…

  69. chata says:
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    @Grey:

    safe trip .

    don’t forget to tell him that there’s a bunch of us campaigning
    for a blog-talk show this off-season .

  70. royce! says:
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    @Grey: Ah, man…I was gonna invite you to my friend’s art show. It’s at the cha cha lounge, in the men’s bathroom. I am not at all kidding.

    Here’s a sample of his work:

    http://101giraffejokes.blogspot.com/

    The art show focuses on a Garfield-like character named Garfeld. Again, I am totally serious about all of this.

  71. Grey

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    @chata: it’s on our conversation agenda.

    @royce!: ah, man, that’s too bad, that sounds like fun… Oh, well, next time.

  72. royce! says:
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    @Grey: What Bon Iver song was it that you had on repeat for a while? I can’t get enough of Beth/Rest, though it might just be my penchant for Michael McDonald.

    And on the topic of BBQ in Austin, I’ve also heard good things about Salt Lick from friends who attended UT, though they were there like 10 years ago.

  73. Grey

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    @royce!: Skinny Love was the song name… I’m trusting Rudy with the BBQ and he’s telling me some Franklin place…

  74. chata says:
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    nice ‘turn’ by napoli ….. 3-6-3 .

  75. royce! says:
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    @Grey: Ah, I thought it was something from the more recent album. I also have heard good things about Franklin, too. I’m jealous.

    You have any BBQ recommendations for LA? I’ve tried a few places but nothing was all that spectacular. I enjoyed BBQ King that was on Figueroa and Sunset but I think they put condos up there. I think they have a new location though, so maybe I’ll check it tomorrow night. I always end up at Spring Street Smokehouse when I have to take the train, but it’s not outstanding.

  76. Grey

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    @royce!: Baby Blues but you don’t go to LA for BBQ. Can think of a dozen or so types of food I’d eat before.

  77. royce! says:
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    @Grey: Figured as much. The couple of years I lived there I never found anything great. Anyhow, I’m not going to LA for BBQ, I’m going because I appreciate art (in hideously disgusting bar bathrooms).

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