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Streamonator is the ultimate streaming pitcher tool. It has the next 7-10 days’ worth of starts with projections and dollar values. For more information, see the Streamonator FAQ or our Subscriptions page. Monthly subscriptions start at just $4.99/month and daily passes as low as $0.99/day.

Click to sort and text boxes to filter. GT=(Game Time by EST Hour). Click here for FAQ. Note: These projections are updated every morning at around 9 AM EST. We do our best to update during the day when MLB teams change their starter. If you see an incorrect starter, leave a comment, tweet @rudygamble or email rudy@razzball.com.

# Name Team Opp Date GT OppPitcher $ QS W L IP H ER K BB HBP HR K/9 K/BB ERA WHIP OWN%
Clayton Kershaw LAN SD 10/4 3 FGarces(L) 79.8 0.86 0.66 0.10 7.0 5.5 1.3 8.3 0.9 0.14 0.9 10.6 9.2 1.66 0.91 100
Jacob deGrom NYN WAS 10/4 3 TRoark(R) 45.9 0.67 0.55 0.17 6.3 5.2 2.0 7.3 1.5 0.04 0.8 10.4 4.9 2.93 1.07 100
Johnny Cueto KC @MIN 10/4 3 RNolasco(R) 30.7 0.74 0.46 0.29 6.7 5.9 2.4 6.2 1.4 0.00 0.1 8.3 4.4 3.25 1.07 96
Danny Salazar CLE BOS 10/4 3 RPorcello(R) 18.7 0.63 0.35 0.36 6.1 5.4 2.2 6.4 1.8 0.00 0.5 9.4 3.6 3.25 1.18 85
Michael Pineda NYA @BAL 10/4 3 CTillman(R) 18.6 0.61 0.44 0.27 6.1 5.9 2.3 5.4 1.2 0.00 0.8 8.0 4.5 3.46 1.17 76
J.A. Happ PIT CIN 10/4 3 JSmith(R) 18.0 0.57 0.48 0.21 5.8 4.9 2.2 4.3 1.6 0.13 0.1 6.7 2.7 3.38 1.13 63
John Lackey STL @ATL 10/4 1 SMiller(R) 16.5 0.73 0.44 0.31 6.7 6.4 2.4 4.5 1.3 0.04 0.2 6.1 3.5 3.21 1.16 97
Lance McCullers HOU @ARI 10/4 3 RRay(L) 12.5 0.54 0.39 0.30 5.7 5.3 2.4 6.1 1.8 0.06 0.7 9.6 3.4 3.76 1.25 75
Matt Cain SF COL 10/4 3 CBergman(R) 12.5 0.56 0.43 0.26 5.8 5.2 2.3 4.3 1.4 0.05 0.6 6.7 3.1 3.51 1.13 21
Rick Porcello BOS @CLE 10/4 3 DSalazar(R) 11.0 0.68 0.36 0.38 6.4 6.1 2.3 4.7 1.4 0.00 0.5 6.6 3.4 3.25 1.19 39
Daniel Norris DET @CHA 10/4 3 FMontas(R) 6.6 0.49 0.36 0.30 5.5 4.5 2.4 4.1 1.4 0.00 0.0 6.7 2.9 3.99 1.07 20
Lance Lynn STL @ATL 10/4 4 MWisler(R) 4.9 0.55 0.41 0.28 5.8 5.4 2.3 5.0 2.3 0.20 0.5 7.8 2.2 3.58 1.33 91
Francelis Montas CHA DET 10/4 3 DNorris(L) 3.7 0.36 0.31 0.30 4.8 4.0 2.3 4.9 1.3 0.36 0.3 9.1 3.8 4.26 1.09 0
Vidal Nuno SEA OAK 10/4 3 CBassitt(R) 3.2 0.49 0.37 0.30 5.5 4.7 2.4 3.7 1.5 0.00 0.0 6.0 2.5 3.98 1.12 2
Dan Haren CHN @MIL 10/4 3 JLopez(R) 1.6 0.53 0.38 0.31 5.8 5.8 2.7 4.3 1.1 0.06 0.4 6.7 3.9 4.24 1.20 23
Cole Hamels TEX LAA 10/4 3 GRichards(R) -3.2 0.67 0.40 0.35 6.5 6.4 3.1 3.9 1.7 0.00 0.0 5.4 2.3 4.24 1.24 99
Mark Buehrle TOR @TB 10/4 3 MMoore(L) -6.0 0.61 0.40 0.32 6.2 6.8 2.7 3.6 1.4 0.00 0.8 5.3 2.6 3.94 1.33 25
Shelby Miller ATL STL 10/4 1 JLackey(R) -6.1 0.54 0.27 0.41 5.8 5.4 2.6 5.5 2.4 0.98 0.7 8.5 2.3 3.97 1.34 82
Adam Conley MIA @PHI 10/4 3 DBuchanan(R) -6.3 0.42 0.37 0.26 5.1 5.0 2.1 4.0 2.2 0.18 1.0 7.1 1.8 3.71 1.43 11
Robbie Ray ARI HOU 10/4 3 LMcCullers(R) -10.8 0.44 0.30 0.35 5.3 5.1 2.5 5.9 3.0 0.00 1.2 10.0 2.0 4.23 1.52 16
Matthew Wisler ATL STL 10/4 4 LLynn(R) -11.4 0.50 0.28 0.39 5.6 5.5 2.7 4.5 1.9 0.84 0.6 7.2 2.4 4.26 1.32 5
Chris Bassitt OAK @SEA 10/4 3 VNuno(L) -12.3 0.49 0.31 0.36 5.6 5.6 2.7 4.3 2.0 0.00 0.8 6.9 2.2 4.35 1.36 9
Christian Bergman COL @SF 10/4 3 MCain(R) -13.7 0.40 0.26 0.37 5.1 5.0 2.5 2.4 0.7 0.04 0.2 4.2 3.4 4.42 1.11 0
David Buchanan PHI MIA 10/4 3 AConley(L) -14.6 0.47 0.30 0.36 5.5 5.6 2.5 3.0 1.5 0.07 0.5 4.9 2.0 4.17 1.30 0
Jorge Lopez MIL CHN 10/4 3 DHaren(R) -19.5 0.42 0.30 0.34 5.3 5.8 2.7 4.9 2.3 0.47 1.0 8.4 2.1 4.66 1.53 0
Chris Tillman BAL NYA 10/4 3 MPineda(R) -19.5 0.50 0.26 0.41 5.7 5.7 2.8 4.1 2.2 0.00 0.8 6.5 1.9 4.45 1.40 23
Ricky Nolasco MIN KC 10/4 3 JCueto(R) -21.1 0.46 0.25 0.40 5.4 6.0 2.6 3.3 1.4 0.00 0.6 5.5 2.4 4.29 1.37 0
Frank Garces SD @LAN 10/4 3 CKershaw(L) -23.2 0.41 0.08 0.54 5.2 4.4 2.6 4.2 2.0 0.20 0.1 7.3 2.1 4.57 1.23 0
Garrett Richards LAA @TEX 10/4 3 CHamels(L) -23.9 0.54 0.32 0.38 5.9 6.8 3.1 4.8 2.6 0.44 0.9 7.3 1.8 4.67 1.60 92
Matt Moore TB TOR 10/4 3 MBuehrle(L) -28.6 0.38 0.29 0.33 5.0 5.3 2.5 3.7 3.0 0.00 1.1 6.6 1.2 4.44 1.65 18
Josh Smith CIN @PIT 10/4 3 JHapp(L) -31.9 0.32 0.20 0.39 4.8 5.2 2.7 3.4 1.9 0.99 0.6 6.3 1.8 5.08 1.48 0
Tanner Roark WAS @NYN 10/4 3 JdeGrom(R) -32.9 0.43 0.16 0.50 5.5 5.8 3.3 3.4 1.4 0.06 0.9 5.6 2.4 5.39 1.31 9

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Streamonator Info:

FAQ – Click here. 

Razzball Streamonator (aka Stream-o-Nator, Stream-o-nater, Streamonater):  This tool is designed to identify attractive short-term pitcher pickups – aka fantasy baseball streamers/streaming pitchers.  It could also be used to determine when to start/sit a pitcher on your roster.  (For Daily Fantasy Baseball games, check out DFSBot). The higher the $ value, the more attractive the start.  Stream-o-Nator projections rely on Steamer Rest of Season projections as a foundation and then adjust based on several game-specific factors that include opponent strength vs. the pitcher’s handedness, whether the start is home or away and park factors.  Streaming pitchers has inherent risk to it – this tool merely tries to increase the odds for picking a particular start.

What Is The Expected Accuracy Of Streamonator Projections?:  Please see the Razzball Ombotsman for correlations between the Streamonator projections and actual stats.

Filtering Results:  You can filter multiple fields at the same time.  The text fields below the column headers enable several methods for filtering the data.  Here are some examples:

Function Symbol Example Explanation
ANY MATCH ‘NY’ in Opponent field This would filter the results to only pitchers facing the New York Yankees (NYA) and New York Mets (NYN)
OR | David Price|Justin Verlander in ‘Name’ This would display the stats only for David Price and Justin Verlander.
NOT ! !at in Opponent This would remove all away starts (an away game for Atlanta written as ‘at ATL’)
NOR ! | !David Price|Justin Verlander in ‘Name’ This would display the stats for all pitchers EXCEPT David Price and Justin Verlander
GREATER THAN > >10 in $ This would only display rows for pitchers whose projected $ is greater than 10.
LESS THAN < <10 in $ This would only display rows for pitchers whose projected $ is less than 10.
GREATER THAN OR EQUAL TO >= >=10 in $ This would only display rows for pitchers whose projected $ is greater than or equal to 10.
LESS THAN OR EQUAL TO <= <=10 in $ This would only display rows for pitchers whose projected $ is less than or equal to 10.

Position Eligibility – 20 Games in last season for ESPN and ’2 Catcher’ formats.   5 Games for Yahoo.

Pitchers Included: All probable pitchers for up to the next 7 days.  Pitchers with two starts are listed twice.

$ Values – A pitcher’s projected stats for their start are multiplied by 30 then valued for a 12-team MLB league using the ESPN/CBSSports roster format (13 hitters, 9 pitchers) and a $260 team budget.  While the $ values would vary for any other league format, we would expect the rankings to remain relatively the same.  For 12-team leagues, $4 is about the ‘average’ start.  Anything above $0 is ‘better than nothing’ but may be suboptimal in leagues with IP or GS limits. Please see FAQ for $ targets for other league formats.

1-start vs. 2-start calculator – 

The below chart equates the average $ value of a 2-start pitcher’s two starts to a one-start pitcher’s start for weekly leagues.  So if a 2-start pitcher averages $4 in value across his two starts, that is the equivalent of a single start that is worth $7.  This is based on standard 5×5.

Two Start $ Avg Equivalent $ Value of One Start
1 0.5
2 2.6
3 4.7
4 6.9
5 9.0
6 11.1
7 13.2
8 15.4
9 17.5
10 19.6

Own% –  Based on ownership within the Razzball Commenter Leagues which consists of 84 12-team MLB leagues using the standard ESPN roster format.

  1. Simply Fred

    simply fred says:

    Rudy, how are you dealing with platoon players? For example, Corey Dickerson is projected by Roster Resource to bat lefty only. He was drafted #25 in a recent live draft. If he sits 20% of the time (just a guess), that eats up valuable streaming ops to advantage overall ABs. I don’t see where these platoon guys are dropping in drafts such that they would be available for me (or you) to draft. Why would I draft him, if a comparative player who is projected to be in the lineup every day is available? ???

    • Simply Fred

      simply fred says:

      @simply fred: Grey responded: “I do like their depth charts better than other ones, but I think they’re wrong there. Or at least not giving the full picture. I think Dickerson gets benched against very tough lefties, which is about 10% of the time and not much more than any lefty hitter who gets the occasional day off every ten days or so…” Makes sense. At this point just wanting to make sue you concur.
      Moss, Laroche, Duda getting the same ‘left only’.

      • Yes I agree. It is why my Dickerson games/ab are

        • Lower than an everyday player. The projection then assumes the off days are disproportionately against LHP and his stats (especially AVG) look better

    • Here is the thing – LH suck against LHP and LHP are tougher to steal against. You also get higher AVG which somewhat offsets counting stay losses. If in a daily league, u can always swap them out. Advisable for various LH like Mauer, Choo, Fielder, etc

  2. George Bell says:

    I bought Grey a daiquiri earlier this month and was able to pay through Paypal. At the time I did not realize that hittertron and streamonator were going to be paid services that required to make an account with Cointent. Is it possible to pay you directly through Paypal?

    • @George Bell: Sorry to spring the subscription on you, George. We need a CoinTent account set up because that is the username/password we are using to authenticate subscribers. They will be adding a pay by PayPal option shortly.

  3. Al Dumars says:

    Hey Rudy, I’ve put in my credit card info several times and hit subscribe but nothing happens. Hoping I’m not charged 4x.

  4. Chris says:


    Any chance of a student discount on the stream-o-nator and hittertron?


  5. Simply Fred

    Fred Barker says:

    Rudy, see you drafted Bauer. He shows up in SON at -5.9 his first start vs. McHugh on 4/8. MLB has him 4/9, after Kluber and Carrasco. If SON does have him around -6 , will you sit or stream?

  6. Simply Fred

    Fred Barker says:

    Nevermind. He got picked up.

  7. Simply Fred

    Fred Barker says:

    No worries. Didn’t have room for him. Just looking for a stream. Do you have a cutoff where you will sit a rostered starter?

  8. Simply Fred

    Fred Barker says:

    Thank you, SIR! re: last three games hitting: you are the man! It works!! We trust you!!!

    btw: managed to get Bautista, V-Mart, Harvey, Melancon (4 of your top 8 picks). Also, matched 4 starting pitchers. Follow Yoda!

  9. Drew says:

    Hey Rudy- when will the DFS bot update? Still have outdated probable pitchers and DFS $ amounts. Sorry for repeating comment, didn’t know best place to post

  10. IV says:

    Hey Rudy. Signed up for the service by creating a fanduel account. Upon doing so I received an email from Cointent saying that my service was activated for Razzball, I had to create a Cointent account. However, the account did not register my purchase. Is there a way to remedy this?

    Thanks in advance and I hope this is not too confusing.

  11. datdudebp says:

    Looks like Peavy is starting tomorrow at ARI and Hudson is going Thursday at SD. Wondering which start StreamoNator prefers for a streamer in a QS league

  12. Lipson says:

    Rudy, can we purge comments that are related to 2014 season?

  13. Jake says:

    Hi Rudy,

    You believe in this Nate Karns $value for today? Seems like his Steemer ROS stats is a mix of starts and relief appearances. Does steamer normally give more favorable ERA and WHIP to relief appearances due to being able to use your best pitches and not having to face a hitter twice? Therefore would your streamonator projections start from an overly optimistic point?

    Thanks man. Great success Day 1 using hittertron with Lind, Miller, Pagan, and Ackley.

    • That is a fair point on steamer ROS. I make an era/whip/k rate adjustment for relievers but not sure if I do for swing men. Will review today. Karns is an okay play because he has shown solid k rate as a SP but I’m not streaming him yet

      • Jake says:

        @Rudy Gamble: I’m in a head to head league where I went cheap on pitching and Smyly and Peavy may not pitch this week. I only get 1 start from Arriett since start 2 is in Colorado. My opponent has Smardjzia and Kershaw going twice.

        My plan was to stream Karns, C Anderson, Morrow, and possibly Lincecum. I can probably win K’s with Anderson and Morrow only. Even though they’re more at $4-$5, would you feel more confident in them (than karns?)

        I already got 4 RP going.

        • i would start all of them. at least you’ll get Wins and K’s.

      • i looked at my formula and I make ERA, WHIP, and K/9 adjustments for any pitchers Steamer has projected with < than 50% of their Games as Starts. So Karns’ ERA has been adjusted (he’s projected at 17 GS, 25 Relief appearances by Steamer)

        • Jake says:

          @Rudy Gamble: Thanks, you think of everything.

          Not sure if you’re committed to a regular valuation column, but here’s something I was thinking about:

          Do stadium factors vary by time of day, time of year, or whether the roof is open/closed?

          Seems like particularly stadiums in the north or particularly close to large bodies of water may have regular impactful weather patterns.

          • @Jake: My posts during the season are few and far between. Have my last offseason research post going out tomorrow afternoon.

            I agree with you that park factors are impacted by time of year, time of day, weather, wind, etc. But I’m not sure how predicable those variations are. Might be chasing windmills with that one. FWIW, I am very wary of starting a pitcher in a Chicago day game. I also love starting pitchers in those shadow-filled 4PM games they’ll have on the west coast.

  14. HighHeat says:

    First time using SON. Kazmir looks good tomorrow. Am I seeing it right? Thanks!

    • Yeah $18.8 is a must start in every format.

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  16. Brian says:

    Hi, how often are Streamonator and the weekly pitcher planner updated?… daily, more frequently?

    I’m a new subscriber and I’m trying to learn how often to check them and when new data is first reflected in them.

    E.g., when will yesterday’s Cubs/Cards game cancellation be reflected in both tools?… right now they both still show Lackey pitching today.


  17. jeff says:

    Does the Streamonator not adjust when there is a rainout? Arrieta is pitching today but Hammel is listed. When will this be adjusted?

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  19. Derrick says:

    I’ve paid for this but it isn’t working for me.

  20. I Love You Wong Time says:

    Can you remind me what the cutoff pitcher value is that you contemplate sitting?

  21. Desperately Seeking Streamers says:

    Trying to subscribe to SON and it’s not letting me. Tried it on Chrome, IE11. Are you aware of problems?

  22. Derrick says:

    Rudy, any ideas on why I can’t get SON to work? Yesterday I got the $19.99 package and it worked then but isn’t working now.

    • What is happening? Are you unable to login to CoinTent or are you not seeing the subscription box?

      • Derrick says:

        @Rudy Gamble:

        I see the subscription box and it has me logged in. It just keeps showing me the preview option.

        • Jax says:

          @Derrick: Rudy/Derrick,

          I’m getting something similar. I went to signup yesterday, but wasn’t seeing the actual subscription button underneath the “Subscribe here….” title like I did the day before. I had to actually click on the ad-looking picture on the side of the screen promoting said tools to actually be able to click the subscription button today. So, I subscribed today, accessed it this morning, but now when I came back to it, it just shows me the preview again like I’m not logged in and there is no login function (and the subscription button is gone again, even via the side ad/promotion picture). I can’t find a login prompt anywhere on the site



          • Jax says:

            @Jax: Oh, and I’ve used all three of the main browsers (IE, FireFox, and Chrome)

      • Jax says:

        @Rudy Gamble: Yeah…this is the 2nd day in a row I can’t get into the SoN from my laptop. I can from my Android phone, but still have to click on Subscription options to get to a login page.

        My laptop has no option for the Subscription button, so I can’t login. Only seeing the preview button…

        Please advise

        • Jax says:

          @Jax: scratch that…got it to work in IE, but still not working within Chrome (which is dumb). Oh well

  23. Jason Smith says:

    In a rotisserie league with an innings limit of 1300 for the season, can I assume that if a pitcher has a negative, that is a recommendation to sit that pitcher for that start?

  24. Lester says:

    Hey Rudy,

    Do you project daily ABs a pitcher will face? I’d love to be able to see that stat as well.


    • Lester says:


      I’m sorry – projected batters faced would be more appropriate.


    • you can back that out, I suppose, by multiplying IP * 3 and then adding H + BB. i will keep ‘Batters Faced’ in mind.

  25. Aaron says:

    Bauer. Good call.

  26. Barry B says:

    I’m trying to subscribe to Hittertron and Streamonator but it won’t let me. The window that pops up doesn’t have anything to click on and it won’t let me Create an account. Does it just suck to be me or can I get in on the fun, please?

    • Desperately Seeking Streamers says:

      @Barry B:

      Anyone out there able to help? Same problem here and I’d really like to subscribe? Rudy?

  27. Jake says:

    HI Rudy,

    Why does Steamer hate Matt Shoemaker? Why can’t be be as good as Iwakuma? Pretty much the same arsenal and K/BB/HR results. They just sandbagging because he’s exceeding his minor league K rate?

    As a hypothetical in a 12 team H2H you starting Iwakuma @Tex and @Hou?

    Thanks man.

    • Shoemaker bearishness is based on pre-2014 track record. Yes on iwakuma

  28. HighHeat says:

    I see the SON does not like Buchholtz tomorrow. Is it worth a spec play ya think?

    • Yanks aren’t looking so great but maybe it’s a matter of time before their LHs hook a couple into the right-field seats. I’m not a fan of Buchholz but I can see why one might roll the dice on it.

  29. HighHeat says:

    BYW great call on Kazmir the other day. I got the win ans SO. Thanks!!!

  30. Joe Shmoe says:

    Mr. Gamble,
    SON is not working for me:( Anything wrong with my account?

  31. BringDaRuckus says:

    Yea its not working for me either. It says its refreshing, but doesn’t take me to the page?

  32. scott says:

    whats up with buerhle today? seems there are a few guys at $99 the next couple days. some error in the Toronto park factor? they are all blue jays

    also, anyway to get rid of the annoying key west ad? its one of those roll over pop ups i think

  33. stuff says:

    Rudy, this thing rules; the value of the sweet Streamonator. I will gladly give you money for it. And i did! But yeah, thanks for making this thing. It drastically improves my enjoyment of this hobby.

    Anyway, McCarthy is seriously favored on his next start vs Rockies. Time to test this thing. inb4 he gives up 5 HR. I’ll be ok if it’s to CarGo, Tulo, or Nolan.

    Also, Carrasco is still showing for Sunday. Just a heads up.

    • Thanks! McCarthy is favored b/c he gets COL at home where they are much less scary. @COL is a negative start for all except aces.

      I see Carrasco pushed back a day but they haven’t announced who’s pitching Sunday. Grr.

  34. Swfcdan says:

    The FBI are watching this page!

  35. GleamTeam_Matt says:

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    I’ve already made my money back (and then some!). Hit $25 on a $5 buy-in Salary Cap game yesterday over at Fan Duel. Now onto dominating my main roto league. Keep up the great work, everyone!

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  36. Steve says:

    Hey Rudy,

    SON hates Bradley today, any specific reason why other than he’s an untested rookie? I trust SON but really want to trot him out there tonight.

  37. regan sayer says:

    I bought the season pass and am trying to use it at the library. Internet is down at home. How do i log in? Don’t see anywhere on the screen to logon.

    • Grey

      Grey says:

      Click subscribe, log in screen should pop up

  38. Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:

    what are the options for signing up at one of the DFS sites to get a discount, they aren’t mentioned when you open up payment options? i read somewhere there’s some sort of discount.

      • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:

        @Rudy Gamble: so you’ll be able to see that i’ve registered and added at least $10 in say fanduel? and by doing that i’ll not only get to save $40 right away, i’ll obviously be able to win money too? (might not, but saving $40 for something i would’ve paid $50 and leaving myself with a $10 freeroll sounds nice). Man, when you guys announced the bots weren’t free this was the sales method you should’ve pressed more. Nobody who even knew what SON/Hitter T/DFS bot were would want to pay this.

        • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:

          @Aubrey Plaza’s Pillow: i see fanduel says it’ll take 48 hours (they probably mean up to 48 hours, but we’ll see). thanks.

          • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:

            @Aubrey Plaza’s Pillow: also, youse guys should add that razzball.com/subscriptions somewhere up top, since i’m sure way more people will pony up $10 over the $50, if they knew about it. When you try to go in through one of the bots that option doesn’t show up.

              • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:

                @Rudy Gamble: ok, i got a cointent account, then paid, then got an email showing that i’ve been registered with Razzball hours later (just now), then i signed in in the forum log in section (if there’s another one i’m not aware of it), but still it only shows SON as a “sample” not actual SON. What am i doing wrong? There could be some completely different place to log in in a different way i’m unaware of or maybe that email that said i was registered didn’t really mean i was fully registered. This email i got this morning of course contradicts what Fanduel site said last night about it taking 48 hours to get registered.
                Concerning the advice i don’t think i know better than you guys, but this seems to be like the “hidden menu” at Panera, which seems silly to not press the options if/when the best options might not be known by everybody.

                • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:

                  @Aubrey Plaza’s Pillow: cointent also now showing i paid, but of course i don’t know if that’s important or not. fanduel does show my invested money, and mentioned i came in through razzball.

                  • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:

                    @Aubrey Plaza’s Pillow: sorry cointent showing nothing indicating i paid anything (always get those two mixed up, sometimes on purpose and try to convince others)

                    • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:

                      @Aubrey Plaza’s Pillow: never thou mind, it’s all working now, ignore above except for panera bread comparison.

                • Scroll up to the Cointent box. Click ‘Log In’ in bottom right. Let me know if that gets you in.

                  • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:

                    @Rudy Gamble: i see it now (i recently cleaned history so had to get in again, up till now it remembered me). thanks.

  39. Blint says:

    Hi Rudy

    I have a question regarding the FantasyUp hitting projections ! Mike Trout has his Proj $ 4550 what does that mean exactly? The column next to that is his FU price ! Then the difference which is in negative for all the top guys :O Then it is $/pt .. If its not too much work can you just explain the last few columns please and what I need to get out of those. Sorry if its already answered somewhere!


    • Good catch. Wrong salary projection formula (was using FanDuel’s). FWIW, when I use DFSBot, I don’t usually look at the Salary/Diff$ columns. I focus on the $/Pts columns.

      • Blint says:

        @Rudy Gamble:

        Just a general question Rudy because this is my first time playing Daily Fantasy. Out of all the websites you have DFSbot for is there a particular website you recommend a noob to play based on what type of game it is. Example 50 50 or tournament etc ?
        Just used FantasyUp for playing 5050 $1 tournament yesterday I noticed there were very few unique players. One player has dozens of entries and there were many like him. Is this similar in other websites as well?

        Is there a particular website you use for h2h or tourneys etc? Thanks!

        • @Blint: I mainly play DraftKings and find it easy to use. I recommend starting with 50/50 because your goal – put together the best team – is similar to roto. The tournaments are different in that you have additional factors besides ‘best’ team – e.g., you need to worry about a team’s upside and your team’s uniqueness. Not sure if that part’s clear but 50/50 is the better place to start is all you need to know.

          • Blint says:

            @Rudy Gamble:

            Yes that is exactly why I started with 50 50 as well. But since my math is a little weak I wanted to know if its positive EV If – In a 60 player 50 50 tourney there are 2 guys who have 50 entries between them and the rest 10 are single entry users.

  40. Aaron says:

    Seriously Trevor Bauer is in the red both games this week? Explain

    • @Aaron: I’m with you on Bauer. I drafted him in two late drafts (RCL, NFBC Main Event) after his great spring. Projecting young pitchers with mixed track records (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=12703&position=P) is difficult. Sometimes they just ‘figure it out’ and make all their past stats moot.

      It could be that Bauer is this type of exception case. That’s my bet for now I know others are banking on Archie Bradley in the same way. But Steamer/Streamonator is going to treat his past stats just as they would for any other pitcher.

  41. Good Will Hunting 2: Hunting Season says:

    hey Rudy, am i right in assuming the reason we don’t yet have these three things
    FIP vs ERA
    BABIP vs AVG
    Platoony Tunes
    is because we don’t have a large enough sample yet?

    • They are up now. Just hadn’t added them to our Tools menu yet.

      • Good Will Hunting 2: Hunting Season says:

        @Rudy Gamble: was it just a coincidence that i asked this the same day you were already putting them up? thanks.

        • Not a coincidence. Thanks for the reminder!

          • Good Will Hunting 2: Hunting Season says:

            @Rudy Gamble: how else would we have gotten into those? (i assume there was a way if you hadn’t put them up yet)

            • the pages are live so you could’ve googled them. but i needed to update them for 2015.

  42. Swfcdan says:

    I literally want to buy a day pass for 50 cents to try it out but it doesn’t let me do that, only a minimum deposit of $2. Why is that?

    Otherwise I guess I might have to go for the monthly subscription. Is that rolling or a one-off?

    • @Swfcdan: Cointent requires $2 minimum deposit. You could use that for future purchases on our site or other sites using CoinTent. The monthly subscription can be set to a one-time purchase or recurring – your call. Monthly or season-long are definitely the best value.

  43. KevinS894 says:

    Question on the method for the Streamonator – When it is evaluating a pitcher’s start, I get that it is looking at that SP’s steamer projections and the opponent. My question is in the opponent part…is it looking at the current opponents roster or the performance for that opponent based on some timeframe ago? An example is San Diego…not a good lineup last year but this year much improved is the SoN taking that into account already or will it take awhile?

    • @KevinS894: Good question. It is looking at the active roster as of the end of previous day (so all DL’d and minor league players removed). I then am calculating likelihood to start using recent game data and factoring in the handedness of the hitter and pitcher (so Ryan Raburn and Jerry Sands have a much higher likelihood to start for the Indians if the opponent pitcher is LHP).

      The process isn’t perfect (very hard to model a lineup) but I think it does a solid job at estimating the strength of the opposing lineup and accounting for major factors (like injuries).

      • KevinS894 says:

        @Rudy Gamble: Thanks! That’s what I thought from last year but just wanted to make sure.

  44. Steve says:


    What do you make of Fiers? Still backing SON projections? Curious about your thoughts on his recent struggles.

    • KevinS894 says:

      @Steve: Fiers and Iwakuma are killing me. I’m more worried about Iwakuma’s loss in velocity.

      • @KevinS894: iwakuma’s issues seem to be that he’s missing in the strike zone – not hitting enough corners. a little more worried in him vs fiers given his age and his middling K-rate.

    • @Steve: I’m sticking by Fiers for now. His BABIP and HR rate are up and expect those to regress. He was a guy that, for whatever reason (skepticism on K rate b/c of low velocity?), I couldn’t pull the trigger on in this year’s drafts (as opposed to McCarthy who Steamer also loved and I own seemingly everywhere). Sure seems like he’s a 2nd half only guy though that can’t be a skill.

  45. DancinHomer says:

    Rudy, I subscribed for the year and have no issues accessing in my computer, but whenever I try to access on my iPhone, it keeps asking me to subscribe…

    I click on the CoinTent login link, a new window opened up saying I’m already logged in, but when I go back to the SoN / hittertron page it’s like nothing happened.

    Thoughts; suggestions?

    • Hmm, I hadn’t heard any iphone issues. What model/OS are you using?

      • DancinHomer says:

        @Rudy Gamble:

        I have an iPhone 5S running the latest iOS (8.3)

        • that’s the same model I have – although I haven’t upgraded yet to 8.3.

          Try going to cointent.com on your mobile browser and log out. Then log in again. Let’s see if that fixed the problem.

          • DancinHomer says:

            @Rudy Gamble:

            tried that & getting the same result

            • Perturbed says:

              Same issue here. Latest and greatest iPhone won’t let me in.

              • Can u try logging in at CoinTent.com and then refreshing the razzball tool page?

  46. Steve says:

    Hey Rudy,

    You starting Yordano today? Seems dicey and SON agrees but he’s an ace….

    • @Steve: I’m not starting him @CHA. Tough place to pitch and I don’t consider him an ace. AND he goes up against Sale.

  47. Aaron says:

    And you have Heston getting crushed tomorrow at Colorado? I know it’s there at Coors but can’t be that bad.

    • Heston is a mediocre pitcher whose #s look better because he has home starts in a favorable park.

      For reference, here are the starts so far @COL.

      Name / Team / Date / Decision / IP / H / ER / BB / K / ERA / WHIP

      Travis Wood CHN Apr 10 L 4.7 7 3 2 5 5.79 1.93
      Jason Hammel CHN Apr 11 W 6.0 8 3 0 6 4.50 1.33
      Kyle Hendricks CHN Apr 12 ND 4.3 8 5 1 3 10.38 2.08
      Odrisamer Despaigne SD Apr 20 W 6.7 6 2 2 5 2.70 1.20
      Brandon Morrow SD Apr 21 ND 6.0 6 5 1 3 7.50 1.17
      James Shields SD Apr 22 ND 6.0 6 3 3 5 4.50 1.50

  48. Steve says:

    What do you make of Scott Baker’s spot start tomorrow in SD? His AAA starts have been great so far. You still have Wieland listed as the SP above.

  49. Simply Fred

    Fred Barker says:

    SON not loading for me. Paid for subscription. ?

  50. Simply Fred

    Fred Barker says:

    Hey, what’s wrong? Why Stream and Hitter not working?

    • @Fred Barker: it is working. are u logged into cointent? link on bottom right of subscription box

  51. Simply Fred

    Fred Barker says:

    Thanks. Log-in fixed it. First time it has logged me out, so didn’t understand the log-in fix.

  52. Nut Butter says:

    Does Deposting $10 into Fanduel get a peron SON and HT free for a year? Season? How long if any?

    • @Nut Butter: Yes, if you are opening a new account and click the FanDuel link on this page: http://razzball.com/subscriptions/. You will get full access to Streamonator and Hittertron for the 2015 season.

      If you already have a FanDuel account, you could open a new DraftKings, FantasyFeud, or FantasyUp account and get full access to SON and Hittertron for 2015 as well. (With all but FantasyUp you’ll get access to DFSBot as well).

  53. Anson Wells says:

    I gotta say, paying for a service that lists wrong starting dates for SP’s, doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
    Pineda has been pushed back to May 1st all day, yet you have him listed as starting on 4/29.

    Can’t really ask money for something that you guys aren’t monitoring daily

    • We have a feed that updates every morning and then try to correct game day changes based on news. I assume this one gets corrected with tomorrow’s feed – if not, I will change it. If that falls below your quality threshold, email me at rudy@razzball.com and we will get you a rebate.

  54. Steve says:

    What’s A.J Cole’s ranking today?

    • @Steve: Thanks for heads-up – thought Roark was going to start. It’s updated.

  55. BringDaRuckus says:

    Michael Lorenzen is starting tomm for my Redlegs. Where would you rank him? Thx

    • thanks for heads up. making correction – should be posted around midnight.

      i assume it’ll be a negative start. Steamer hates rookie pitchers because…well, rookie pitchers generally suck (see AJ Cole and Severino Gonzalez’s starts tonight)

  56. slicke5 says:

    Hey Rudy any chance for a CHI@BAL update on SON?

    Samardjiza @ Jimenez 4/29
    Thank you!

  57. Steve says:

    Hey Rudy,

    Why does SON love Lyons so much today? Think he sticks in the rotation? He’s got to have some talent if he’s to replace Wainwright but doesn’t have great projections for the ROS. Cubbies are a tough offense, would you start him today?

    • i’m not exactly sure. i’m more bearish than SON on this start. i wouldn’t stream it.

  58. Frank says:

    Would you sit samardzija in a 16 team lg when you already have a bloated era?

    • i’d start him. too deep of a league to be sitting him in a home start

      • Frank says:

        @Rudy Gamble: thanks, that lineup and dollar value scares me off some. Plus I’ve been knocked about by the Tigers already this yr

        • yeah, i hear your nausea. i’ve been starting Lester all year in 14-team and he’s been pretty blech.

  59. henncoop says:

    I signed up for the year for hittertron & streamonator & they usually autoloaded when I opened them. today nothing …..if I have a username (hopefully my email addy) & a password (not sure what it is at this point because i never had to sign in previously …it just always opened whenever I opened the app.
    Any assist on this issue would be helpful

    • @henncoop: You just need to sign into CoinTent. There is a Login link on bottom right of the subscription frame.

  60. henncoop says:

    Just never had me log in before ….thankfully I set it up to remember my password on this computer so when I hit that log in link I was auto-signed in.
    It has been well worth the $$ for the year subscription. I highly recommend it to anyone on the fence over the purchase ….unless you are in one of my leagues of course.

  61. stuff says:

    The Chase Anderson start…Is this using data of the terrible Padres before this year? Because these Padres will destroy pitchers…kinda like they did Chris Heston, who was supposed to be a somewhat safe option.

    • @stuff: The opposing offense data is updated every day. Steamer/Hittertron are just not that impressed yet by the Padres. Good start to the year though. That Heston start got me in RCL. But they also got shut down by Vogelsong the night before…

      • stuff says:

        @Rudy Gamble: I think Vogelsong just lucked into a hitting lull by the Padres. It’s also possible they’re hitting way above their head to start the year. My ratios are destroyed this week in h2h anyway, so I’ll try to give Anderson and a shot and see how it goes. I risk nothing and can only gain Ks, which I need.

        • Or the Padres lucked out against Heston because Rubby shut ’em down last night.

  62. Jaret says:

    Why are Frias and Wieland getting favorable projections this week?

  63. Jaret says:

    How are Frias and Wieland getting good projections this week?

  64. Frank White says:

    Hey Rudy… I paid for an all year subscription and it’s not popping up for me. Can you help??

    • @Frank White: Do you see a CoinTent-branded subscription frame on this page. If so, click the bottom right ‘log in’ link and sign in. That should do it!

  65. Frank says:

    Grey vs SON- frias vs fiers?

  66. Jimbo says:

    Is there a way to filter the list by AL and NL?

    • not particularly easy but you can achieve that by putting all the teams in one of those leagues into the team filter separated by | – e.g., NYA|BOS|BAL (ETC)

  67. Steve says:

    Henderson Alvarez starting tomorrow for the fins, where does SON put him vs. Kohler (who’s headed to the bullpen)?

  68. Steve says:

    Also, would you rather hold Rubby or Henderson for the ROS?

  69. Jake says:

    Hi Rudy,

    Is there an issue with cointent this morning? I’m not getting logged in. I don’t see the link that normally auto logs me in or a request to login in.

    Tried chrome, IE, and firefox. Cleared cookies, restarted.


  70. Jake says:

    Nevermind, it’s all better.

  71. John says:

    Do the pitchers projections take longer to adjust than the hitters? It seems that some of the injuries to pitchers or reactivation, as well as the loss of closer jobs does not get reflected in the pitching projections as often (ex. Addison Reed, Cisek higher than expected, Jansen close to closing again)?

    • @John: it is saves that takes the longest to correct. It is one long piece of logic that looks at fixed expectations and recent games. That hold Jansen got through the loop but it will stabilize soon. Cishek/reed will go down in saves next couple weeks once someone else on team starts getting Saves. I keep tweaking the logic but hard to write and reflect recent shifts.

      • John says:

        @Rudy Gamble: Thank you for all of your quick responses. Really appreciate all of this.

  72. Aaron says:

    Bauer gonna get crushed vs ChiSox? -20 really? They have second worse total in the league scoring runs.

    • I agree regarding Bauer $. I think White Sox at home will be a bad pitcher matchup for most of 2015 though the whole team has underperformed so far. I like Bauer more than Steamer b/c of his K potential though his BB rate is still uninspiring.

  73. Teddy Heater

    Teddy Heater says:

    Grey told me to check with regarding opening up a Fanduel or Draftkings account. I’ve been piggy backing off my buddee’s account and I’ve been doing good, so I need to get my own account going. I know that daily write ups always say to sign up through Razzball, what do I need to do, is there a promo code and can I do Fanduel or only Draftkings through Razz? Thanks in advance

    • Hi Teddy – you can sign up through either service. Just follow the instructions and links on razzball.com/subscriptions.

      • Teddy Heater

        Teddy Heater says:

        @Rudy Gamble: I signed up for Razzball’s premium service the 1st day, so I don’t need the subscription. Should I still sign up through Razzball/subscriptions. I just want to make sure you guys get credit for a new account, as I’m not sure how it works.

  74. Aaron says:

    Richards tomorrow – 16 @ fenway? He’s been getting in a groove lately pitching like last year.

    • Agreed that the projection seems bearish. The big disagreement that SON/Steamer has is that Richards has been riding crazy low BABIP for last 30+ starts. Tough to maintain. Couldn’t fault someone starting him here – not sure what I’d do

  75. Frank says:

    that dollar amount makes hughes a must sit tonight right? or should I roll with him in a 16 teamer

  76. Frank says:

    hughes dollar amount make him a must sit tonight right? or can I still roll with him in a 16 teamer

  77. Gogo godzilla says:


    Love your stuff and I am subscriber????

    I am not able to login. Not getting the coin link to log in

    Help. Today is another big day????


    • hi – sorry for the delayed response. was travelling most of the day. what browser are you using? is it happening on a PC/Mac or phone?

  78. Go go godzilla says:

    No worries

    iPad safari the newest one


  79. Rparsons says:

    Fiers was moved up on 3 days rest to today. Would he be a bad play according to stream-o-meter or advisable like he would have been against Arizona in two days?

  80. McKrakenup says:

    Where is Fiers ranked for today? The Brewers moved his start up a day. So pitching on short rest. Is he a sit or start against a surging giants team?

  81. Lester says:

    Hey Rudy,

    Is Alex Gonzalez the same as Chi Chi Gonzalez for Texas?

    • @Lester: yes, and we’ll call him Mr. Gonzalez for his next start if he pitches nasty today.

  82. Kendrick Llama says:

    Son likes porcello more than Morton today, but who can I trust more to not get shelled?

    • Porcello probably a little more likely to get shelled but I’d still trust SON.

  83. fastfrog says:

    Does the Stream-o-nator take into account a day game played after a night game? For example, we all know Jerome Williams and Moscot suck. But they’re gonna be facing hitters who’ve just played nine innings the previous night and thus won’t be as sharp this afternoon.

    • @fastfrog: It does not factor that in right now. I’m putting that on my list of “Things to test”. I had done a test – per Sky’s suggestion – on how team’s fare the first day entering a new city vs subsequent days – and found that it had no statistical impact. My guess is this would be the same.

  84. b-rock says:

    Hey Rudy – quick question on this tool.

    So the SON says it factors in opponent’s strength – but is that based more on full season statistics and/or projections? Or does it also factor in recent play for hot streaks/slumps?

    • @b-rock: SON dynamically generates opponent strength by looking at the active roster and weighting hitters’ stats by that pitcher handedness (LHP or RHP) by likelihood to start. So McCutchen’s weight is much higher than Pedro Alvarez’s against LHP. A park-neutral wOBA is calculated for each team and indexed to league average. So the pitcher facing the Cardinals today will have it ‘easier’ than the pitcher two days ago b/c Holliday isn’t factored in.

      I’ve tested hot streaks/slumps and they do not add to the projections’ accuracy (though recent playing time is factored heavily for the likelihood to start calculation). See more info on these two posts:

  85. Ben says:

    So it seems like SON hates Edinson Volquez more than it should, no? I know his K rate and BB rate aren’t great, but since the start of 2014 he is pitching to a 3.05 ERA and a 1.21 WHIP. That’s some pretty prolonged success in my book yet he is a negative value on SON pretty much every time out.

    • @Ben: Seems about right to me. He’s a guy i’d only stream in 12 team Roto when he has a great matchup. Mediocre K/BB means he’s heavily dependent on BABIP (on the right team for that) and HR suppression. In H2H and 15-team, I can see the value.

      • Ben says:

        @Rudy Gamble:
        I dunno- I think the consistency with which he has been putting up solid stats makes him more of an “avoid in bad matchups” than a “only start in great matchups” but regardless, I dont see how around negative $7 (was that what he was for yesterday?) in a matchup at Min is about right. If you look at him at least as a streaming option isn’t that $10+ too low?

        • I’m not streaming Volquez on the road period. Milwaukee is a hitter’s park. I’m not touching it in 12 team mixed roto (which the $ is based on). His fortunate run in BABIP and HR suppression doesn’t move me.

  86. Derr says:

    So i deposited $10 for fanduel yesterday from Paypal and got the email from CoinTent. I setup a CointTent account but I havent been able to find out how to link anything so that I have access to the tools on here. Any help?

    • Derr – your account was activated yesterday. you just need to login to cointent either at cointent.com or in the subscription box when you go to one of our tools pages.

  87. woodzler says:

    I don´t have access to the tools anymore and my cointent account shows not transactions in my history?
    I was already billed and used the SON for quite a time now….
    Any help?
    greets woodzler

  88. TayTay says:

    Hey Razzballers,

    So I am not able to use SON anymore, which is weird because I signed up for the year long subscription. Any help por favor? Thanks brah.

    • TayTay says:

      @TayTay: I signed in and it will give me about 10 secs before it logs me out.

      • @TayTay: Yes, I have you signed up for the season. Including you in an e-mail thread with CoinTent support. Sorry for your incovenience – we’ll get it figured out asap!

        • Jason says:

          @Rudy Gamble:

          Hi Rudy, I’m having the same problem as TayTay. Using Chrome, and the issue just started despite working correctly the prev. 3 months or so. Thanks for any assistance!

          • @Jason: Hi Jason – Tay Tay’s issue was traced back to using a library computer which was set to delete cookies. I checked your account and it’s still active. Did you try using a different browser and/or your phone? The likely issue is that you are not accepting third-party cookies – this can be changed in the Chrome settings. E-mailing you now so we have an open thread going until this is resolved.

            • Jason says:

              All fixed, thanks for the help! I had recently cleared cookies and the settings were put back to default.

              I had to go into Chrome settings > Privacy content settings > then Uncheck the ‘Block 3rd party cookies and site data’ button.

  89. Aaron says:

    Sale not pitching 7/5, now pushed back to 7/6

    • Thx will fix later today if I have a minute

  90. Wow, Samardzija is pitching back to back games (7/17 and 7/18)?! I’d think he’d be ranked much lower for that second one.

  91. DancinHomer says:

    I have a feeling the SoN hasn’t yet updated for the post-ASB starters

    Safe to assume it will be fixed/updated later today though?

    • Dingbat says:

      @DancinHomer: Yeah – Tanaka and Syndergaard are both missing for 7/17.

      • Because their opposing pitchers haven’t been announced yet. Should be resolved later today or tomorrow morning.

      • Because their opposing pitchers haven’t been announced yet. Should be resolved later today or tomorrow morning.

    • Yup, teams real slow on announcing their pitchers. Should be resolved later today or tomorrow morning.

      • Chadaristic says:

        @Rudy Gamble: hey Rudy, the Dodgers are now throwing Bolsinger on 7/17 and Kershaw on 7/18.

  92. Lester says:

    Looks like the wrong pitcher is listed for Toronto. I’m seeing R.A. Dickey instead of Drew Hutchinson.

    • @Lester: Thanks. Fixed. (FYI, see the new comment/update feed at the top. Figure that’s the easier way to see when i’ve fixed something).

  93. Chadaristic says:

    @Rudy Gamble:

    I think something is wrong for today (7/27). I see nine pitchers with $ -99.9! Wow, first time I have ever seen this, so I’m assuming something went haywire somewhere?

  94. Jesse says:

    Is something wrong with Baltimore’s hitting projections? I notice upcoming pitchers have a surprisingly high value against them. For example, Jesse Chavez home vs Bal at $13, Shoemaker home vs Bal at $15, Walker home vs Bal at $24. I know these are pitchers parks and home starts, but these numbers still seem high against an above average offense. For example in today’s gambling odds, Oakland is barely favored (-113) against Bal at home. Yet on SON, Chavez has a .4 chance of winning which usually aligns with a heavier favorite, closer to -150.

    • @Jesse: Once I neutralize Baltimore’s offense (removing their park factor), it’s a mediocre offense. I have them projected as the 20th best wOBA vs RHP and 18th best wOBA vs LHP. This is fueled by their awful OBP – projected in the worst 5 against LHP and RHP (for RHP, the only teams worse are PHI, MIL, COL, and MIA).

      I have them as a favorite only 3 times on the OAK/LAA/SEA road trip – Chen/Graveman, Wilson vs Seattle rookie Olmos, and Chen/Montgomery. Every other game is between 41-48% chance of winning.

      So I think you’re misjudging Baltimore’s offense either b/c of reputation or discounting the park factor. Because I’m looking at that lineup and I don’t see above average.

      • Jesse says:

        @Rudy Gamble: Thanks for the thorough explanation!

      • Jesse says:

        @Rudy Gamble: Glad I didn’t start Chavez! Machado/Parra/Jones/Davis is a pretty decent first 4.

        • @Jesse: glad you didn’t start him either. he’s been pitching pretty poorly now for 2 months – wonder if his arm is dead. still don’t believe in the Orioles on the road. it’s the same story with the Rockies every year.

  95. Lipson says:

    Are we trusting Chavez on Saturday?

  96. Slimbo says:

    Who do you like close out games more..Machi or tazawa?

      • Jason says:

        @Rudy Gamble:

        Weekly pitcher planner hasn’t been loading for me the last few days. I get an error message saying the page can’t be found. What’s going on?

        • Can you try emptying your browser cache as the pages are up?

          • Jason says:

            @Rudy Gamble:

            Awesome. Good lookin’ out, Mr. Gamble.

  97. Dick Pole says:

    Over the last few days, Hittertron and Streamonator only work once every 10-12 times I load the page. Problem happens on different browsers on different computers. Cointent is logging me in, but projections never appear.

  98. Pine Tar Incident says:

    Why does the SON love Tropeano so much?

    Also, I’ve been having SON troubles too. It will act like it loading and never load (like I’m logged into Cointent but there is some sort of disconnect). If I refresh enough eventually it sticks.

    • @Pine Tar Incident: Apologies for the issue with the SON grid not loading some times. CoinTent is digging into it.

      I don’t quite get the SON love for Tropeano either. Steamer gives him solid marks for K/9 and the park (LAA) and opponent (White Sox) are solid. He’s shown good K-rates in AAA (9.84 K/9) but has had a poor year for BB/9 (3.72) and BABIP (.348!!!). Both of these stats could be partially blamed on pitching in the PCL which is second only to the Lunar League for pro-hitter conditions. I’d consider Tropeano a borderline start (vs must-start like SON) but I’m still probably more bullish than most on it (he’s sitting on my bench in NFBC b/c this start wasn’t scheduled).

      • Pine Tar Incident says:

        @Rudy Gamble: Thanks for the reply, Rudy. Use the tools every day and love them. Thanks for all your work on them. I guess I’m rolling with the Trop… fortune favors the brave, right?

  99. Steve says:

    What do you think of Medlen’s start on Monday?

    • @Steve: I’m not touching it. I’ve always liked Medlen’s arm but he’s been pitching relief. Needs everything to break right to get through 5 IP.

  100. Aaron says:

    Should I just go ahead and drop Garrett Richards for Fiers or Medlen?

  101. Matt Damon's Face in Good Will Hunting says:

    Morning Rudy,

    I’ve been subscribed to the SoN since opening day. Lately, it’s been 50/50 whether or not the page actually loads for me. It just gets stuck on this screen: “Thanks for subscribing! Just give us a couple seconds to refresh.” and doesn’t actually refresh at all. Any help would be appreciated!

    (If it matters, I’m using Chrome…)


    • We are working to get to the bottom of this issue. Happened a week or two ago when we went through measures to speed up the site. Worked great – except for this. Apologies for the inconvenience. For now, I just recommend hitting refresh when this happens as you’ll eventually get in.

  102. Maaaaaan, I knew Pineda wasn’t no $33 dollar play today. Between scaring me off Garcia’s start yesterday and convincing me to start Pineda today, I ain’t talking to Streamy for a couple days (except I’ll probably stream Smyly tomorrow – I wish I knew how to quit you, Streamy).

  103. Jedimasters says:

    Rudy is it me or has the values changed for pitchers? Example, I have never seen SON value a pitcher at $72.9 before and that’s what you have for Kershaw on Friday. Yes it’s Kershaw but usually for him it’s at around $50. This this a sweeping change? If it is then I’ll need to reconsider streaming options if say Rodon tomorrow vs the Mariners is at $16.5 with a .43 chance to win is actually lower according to the old values.

    Speaking of chance to win, I am now also seeing increased values there. Typically a Kershaw start will have a win value of .43. I’m now seeing .58 and also other streaming pitchers with .51+. Please shed some light thank you.

    • @Jedimasters: You are correct. I’ve been playing around with the Wins formula. The new formula I added today had a minor accuracy boost vs the previous formula. BUT it’s also a lot more opinionated – there is a lot more variance between starters for Wins/Losses.

      While the average Wins is about the same (~0.35), here is the Win projection range for the majority of starts (within +1/-1 STDEV):
      Old: 0.337 – 0.395
      New – 0.266 – 0.435

      Clayton Kershaw is at the extreme in either case but where that used to be around 0.42, that now will be more like 0.52. If you multiply that 0.52 by 32 GS, it’s projecting the best pitcher at about 16-17 wins which feels about right.

      I’m not thrilled to see Kershaw’s $/G go even higher ($72?!) but a cursory review of the $ generating methodology makes sense – notably that the average start is negative $1.23 so there’s no across-the-board inflation going on.

      Hope that shed light on it but appreciate you speaking up b/c I don’t think I quite understood the magnitude of the impact until your comment.

  104. Brian Blacklow says:

    Not sure why, but this has Adam Ottavino as the starting pitcher for September 3rd. Seems off, considering he’s out for the year and all….

  105. Paul C. says:

    Rudy you guys really need to find someone different than Cointent next year. I have trouble logging in all the time, regardless of device (PC at home, iPhone, iPad when not). Sometimes it just spins and doesn’t work, and other times the login doesn’t even show up. I’m a huge fan of SON and what you do, but the login process is absolutely abysmal.

    Any chance of a SON mobile app in the future? I know that’s probably an expensive proposition, but man that would be great to be able to pop open on the phone or iPad while on the ride to work.

    • Bob says:

      @Paul C.:

      Agree. Having TONS of issues logging into to SON/HT/DFSBot/etc.

      Would also love an app for these tools.

      • Abdoozy says:

        @Bob: Agreed on both counts.. SON is almost unusable today.

        Not that it would be much help, I’m getting crushed in the first round of the playoffs, but at least I’d like to make things a little less embarrassing.

        • GleamTeam_Matt says:


          Agreed. Normally I have the issue with the login screen that hangs while loading the data. But the login hasn’t showed up for me since yesterday afternoon. :-\

  106. Lipson says:

    We trusting Niese tomorrow?

  107. MattTruss

    MattTruss says:

    Ha! Nice update rant Rudy. Someone, somewhere is getting the wrath of Rudy!

    • MuneForNothing says:

      @MattTruss: Hilarious. We feel for ya, Rudy!

      1/5 Girl Readers
      Grateful Subscriber, Even During Glitches

  108. Montezuma's Revenge... right now says:

    that right here is stand up shizz. if the pay features F’up they become free while being fixed. This is like a cable company actually giving you back part of your monthly dues if your cable goes out for like 2 days (which is 6.45% over a 31 day month), and they clearly don’t do this. Or when the IRS screws up and owes you money THEY give YOU interest on the money they have kept while they owed it (which they most certainly charge to you when you owe them money), which they even more clearly don’t do.

  109. GleamTeam_Matt says:

    Rudy. Hope you get everything fixed. I think it is mega-class of you to take the paywall down while getting these issues taken care of. I just hope the non-subscribers in my league don’t realize for their playoff push!

    – Matt

    • thx. we’re not advertising it’s free so hopefully they don’t catch wind of it somehow :)

  110. chadaristic says:

    I think Nola is missing for 9/8.

    • @chadaristic: Thx, caught it too. Braves called up a rookie today (Ryan Weber) that wasn’t in my player reference file. All updated now.

  111. Lipson says:

    Pineda at home against TOR? $24….?

    • @Lipson: i hear you. feels bullish to me but it’s crazy how much tamer offenses are on the road. The Blue Jays have the second best road wOBA at 0.321. That is the LEAGUE AVERAGE for home teams.

  112. Scott says:

    Hi. Hittertron and Streamonator don’t know what day it is yet.

    • @Scott: just a late update today as working around home internet issues. (iphone personal hotspots come in handy but databases require IP address permissions. fun tech shit!)

  113. Hugman says:

    If memory serves Verrett was a double digit play a few days ago. Any insight into the change?

    • @Hugman: he was (i picked him up in RCL and LABR). i don’t think it’s weather. i think the marlins have a slightly better lineup than projected.

    • @Hugman: he was (i picked him up in RCL and LABR). i don’t think it’s weather. i think the marlins have a slightly better lineup than projected – perhaps not as K-friendly?

    • @Hugman: he was (i picked him up in RCL and LABR). i don’t think it’s weather. i think the marlins have a slightly better lineup than projected – perhaps not as K-friendly.

      • Hugman says:

        @Rudy Gamble: thanks for the reply. you still running him out there today? I’m feeling lucky and think I will which means you probably shouldn’t. :)

        • I did run him out there. I need all the GS I can get in RCL. So far so good but hope he can escape the 6th.

  114. Lipson says:

    Looks like Price is starting the 17th, not the 16th.

    • @Lipson: I couldn’t find any probable pitcher info to corroborate that yesterday. MLB has Price pitching today so sticking w/ that.

      • Lipson says:

        @Rudy Gamble: Yea, looks like a yahoo issue. They showed him starting today and tomorrow.

  115. Aaron says:

    where do you get the dates for the SP’s starts?

    • @Aaron: From my feed provider. I update every morning based on their info and then will update during the day manually if there’s a change.

  116. JC says:

    Is this a realistic expectation for Harvey tomorrow night? Do you expect him to go five innings and be in line for the win? I’m trying to protect Wins and Strikeouts in the first round of my playoffs, so should I hold onto him or drop him for someone like Gausman, Sabathia, or Shoemaker? It’s not a keeper league.

    • I didn’t manually adjust Harvey’s IP/Batters Faced but 5 IP is prob the max. If u can find a guy on SON that is projected greater than $6, I would switch

  117. and1mcgee says:

    came here to see who I should stream… pay? wow. I guess it was inevitable. Been on the site for how many years now… I’m not paying. But, good luck guys! You deserve to get paid. This site is invaluable.

  118. The Big Yabu says:

    When I checked a few days ago (but already after his previous start), Hellickson’s start 9/26 @SD was valued at 8.4 — now, I see that it’s all the way down to 0.6. What could make SON’s prediction change that much that quickly?

    • @The Big Yabu: Good question. The variables that most likely caused the value change are: 1) opposing pitcher which impacts Win %, 2) a change in projected playing time amongst Padre hitters which impacts everything, and/or 3) a change in projected playing time amongst Diamondback hitters which would impact Win %. If the change was seen the day of the game, weather and actual lineup would play a role.

      I override all my future game projections in my archives so I can’t compare directly with the previous projections. Same goes for projected start %s.

      I saw a Twitter note from Tristan @ ESPN (https://twitter.com/SultanofStat/status/647437596407238656) that said the Padres shifted to a 6-man rotation. I’m thinking the insertion of Casey Kelly pushed Shields from 9/25 (his last start was 9/20) to 9/26. If Ross was originally on 9/26, that shouldn’t have impacted Wins much either way. But if any other Padre had been originally slated for 9/26, that would impact the Win projection which is my guess why the Roto $ value changed.

      Hope that helps…

      • The Big Yabu says:

        @Rudy Gamble: That helps a lot — thanks. I’ve noticed minor fluctuations before, just never something that big.
        FWIW, mlb.com now lists Erlin as the Padres’ probable for tomorrow. Hopefully (for me), that will boost Hellickson’s chances!

        • @The Big Yabu: i updated for Erlin and now Hellickson’s up to $10. Erlin’s got a brutal projection for @SD – certainly doesn’t help he’s a lefty vs ARI.

  119. HighHeat says:

    Quick question, ESPN and Yahoo have Verlander going today. Your showing him tomorrow. If he is going today how do you rate him in that matchup? Thanks for all your hard work!!!

    • It’s updating now. Should be updated by the time you read this. Thanks!

      • HighHeat says:

        Thanks Rudy, I think I am going to sit/drop Verlander an P/u Smyly for his matchup Wed. This is championship week with no room for error and you like him quite a bit more.

  120. Lipson says:

    Fiers or Stroman tomorrow? Good rating vs a guy who has been on a roll?

  121. Lipson says:

    Bartolo starting tomorrow? Yahoo has him marked as such, rumors say to the pen.

  122. Lipson says:

    Tyson Ross not making another start? Are SD using a 6man roto?

  123. Kevin S, says:

    It was another great season for me using the Streamonator. Thank you for this great tool. I love the fact that I can count on this tool to produce good numbers in my streaming decisions which allows me to free up roster spots.

    2015 Stats:

    10 team mixed 6×6 (K,QS,SV,HLD,ERA,WHIP)
    82 streamer starts, 47 Quality starts (57%), 3.75 ERA, 1.27 WHIP, 6.1 IP per start, 7.3 K/9

    12 team RCL
    49 streamer starts, 23 Wins (47%), 3.25 ERA, 1.13 WHIP, 6.1 IP per start, 7.2 K/9

  124. Steve says:

    Rudy, are you starting Bauer today? IP, QS, WHIP

  125. Lipson says:

    Kluber, near 7 ERA over the last 30 days. Facing Boston, would you actually start?

    • Grey

      Grey says:

      Not in most leagues

  126. HighHeat says:

    Rudy, Any problems with the site? I seem to be logged on but streamonator pitching is not showing up. Thanks!!

  127. Steve says:

    Thoughts on Perez ($-11.9) today? He’s playing at home to clinch the division. He’s 1-1 with a 2.75 ERA in three overall starts against the Angels and 3-0 with a 2.28 ERA in his last four at home.

    Is Weaver a better start (albeit riskier with his shoulder issue) or is Rubby a better stream (though he’s going up against a hungry HOU in the hunt for a wildcard berth?

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