Razzball Stream-o-Nator – Fantasy Baseball Streaming Pitchers

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NameTeamOppDateOpp SPQSWLIPHERKBBERAWHIP$RCL OWN %
Cliff LeePHICIN5/17TCingrani0.870.390.347.46.62.57.21.33.041.0725.4100
Justin VerlanderDETat CLE5/22UJimenez0.870.400.337.56.72.88.12.03.331.1723.5100
Stephen StrasburgWASat SF5/21MCain0.740.370.366.65.42.17.11.92.801.1123.2100
Cliff LeePHIat MIA5/22KSlowey0.870.400.337.46.42.45.61.32.971.0522.5100
Madison BumgarnerSFWAS5/22GGonzalez0.700.380.356.45.12.06.01.72.851.0621.8100
A.J. BurnettPITHOU5/18EBedard0.770.400.336.94.92.46.12.53.171.0821.3100
Matt CainSFWAS5/21SStrasburg0.830.350.377.25.92.46.42.03.021.1021.1100
Yu DarvishTEXOAK5/21DStraily0.740.420.316.85.72.77.32.43.551.2019.6100
Andrew CashnerSDWAS5/19DHaren0.610.370.356.04.62.06.82.43.051.1719.594
Cole HamelsPHIat MIA5/20ASanabia0.840.400.337.26.22.55.61.93.151.1119.4100
CC SabathiaNYATOR5/19RDickey0.850.390.347.46.53.16.82.03.721.1418.5100
Max ScherzerDETat CLE5/21CKluber0.610.390.346.15.32.37.01.93.401.1918.5100
Felix HernandezSEAat CLE5/19JMasterson0.820.360.367.26.82.87.62.03.521.2318.3100
Joe BlantonLAACHA5/18HSantiago0.740.380.356.75.52.45.01.53.191.0517.80
James ShieldsKCat HOU5/22JLyles0.800.380.357.16.42.76.52.03.461.1817.7100
Clayton KershawLANat MIL5/20YGallardo0.790.370.367.16.42.86.92.23.541.2117.0100
Tommy HansonLAASEA5/21AHarang0.590.400.335.94.42.25.62.23.311.1117.041
Jerome WilliamsLAASEA5/22BMaurer0.630.420.326.14.92.14.71.73.091.0917.00
Adam WainwrightSTLat SD5/21EVolquez0.680.390.346.45.92.35.91.73.271.1816.7100
Chris SaleCHAat LAA5/17CWilson0.740.360.376.85.92.66.62.33.481.2116.3100
Zack GreinkeLANat MIL5/21HBurgos0.680.400.336.55.82.55.81.73.541.1716.1100
James ShieldsKCat OAK5/17JParker0.790.370.357.16.52.86.22.03.601.1915.7100
Chris SaleCHABOS5/22CBuchholz0.730.400.336.86.42.87.22.33.671.2915.6100
Jeanmar GomezPITHOU5/17JLyles0.530.400.335.54.31.84.21.52.891.0615.50
Mat LatosCINat NYN5/22MHarvey0.690.370.366.55.92.66.52.03.561.2115.4100
Jeff LockePITHOU5/19BNorris0.610.390.346.04.52.35.32.33.441.1215.42
Francisco LirianoPITCHN5/22JSamardzija0.540.380.355.73.82.15.22.53.311.1115.33
Gio GonzalezWASat SD5/17BSmith0.660.400.336.35.62.56.82.53.541.2815.3100
Jeff SamardzijaCHNat PIT5/22FLiriano0.660.350.386.45.02.76.92.83.851.2214.7100
Carlos VillanuevaCHNat PIT5/21WRodriguez0.590.360.366.04.92.46.02.13.651.1714.570
C.J. WilsonLAACHA5/17CSale0.640.370.366.24.72.35.32.53.301.1614.495
Jeanmar GomezPITCHN5/23EJackson0.520.390.345.54.41.83.81.52.971.0813.70
Kris MedlenATLLAN5/18CCapuano0.680.380.356.46.02.55.51.73.471.2013.5100
Jon NieseNYNCIN5/21MLeake0.690.380.356.56.02.65.71.93.521.2113.597
Jake PeavyCHAat LAA5/19JVargas0.780.360.377.16.72.95.71.73.741.1913.4100
Ryan VogelsongSFWAS5/20RDetwiler0.650.390.346.35.22.45.22.43.401.2113.148
Edwin JacksonCHNat PIT5/23JGomez0.630.340.396.35.32.65.92.13.811.1813.145
Dan HarenWASat SD5/19ACashner0.620.350.386.16.02.35.21.23.451.1713.066
Yovani GallardoMILLAN5/20CKershaw0.650.360.376.35.62.66.32.23.741.2512.9100
Jaime GarciaSTLat SD5/22BSmith0.640.410.336.26.02.45.21.83.491.2512.398
Mike MinorATLLAN5/19MMagill0.610.400.336.15.52.55.62.13.761.2512.2100
Lance LynnSTLMIL5/18MEstrada0.610.380.356.05.02.35.12.33.361.2112.2100
Wandy RodriguezPITCHN5/21CVillanueva0.680.370.366.55.22.64.42.13.581.1212.156
Tommy MiloneOAKKC5/18ESantana0.670.390.346.45.92.54.11.43.581.1311.994
Jason VargasLAACHA5/19JPeavy0.750.370.366.95.92.74.31.93.541.1411.916
Edwin JacksonCHNNYN5/17MHarvey0.640.380.356.35.72.65.62.13.711.2411.845
Matt HarveyNYNCIN5/22MLatos0.540.360.375.74.82.36.12.63.681.2811.7100
Johnny CuetoCINat NYN5/20SMarcum0.720.370.366.76.52.85.71.93.731.2411.7100
Brandon MorrowTORBAL5/23TBD0.580.390.346.05.12.65.52.23.901.2211.597
Gio GonzalezWASat SF5/22MBumgarner0.660.340.386.35.62.45.82.53.481.2811.4100
Jaime GarciaSTLMIL5/17WPeralta0.640.400.336.25.92.34.51.83.371.2311.398
Zach McAllisterCLESEA5/18JSaunders0.560.400.335.95.32.44.91.93.711.2211.15
Jordan ZimmermannWASat SD5/18EStults0.630.380.356.36.22.65.31.53.771.2411.0100
Scott FeldmanCHNNYN5/18JHefner0.570.410.335.95.62.44.81.73.671.2310.80
Shaun MarcumNYNCIN5/20JCueto0.600.360.366.15.72.55.21.83.751.2210.79
Shelby MillerSTLat SD5/20JMarquis0.560.380.355.85.12.45.82.53.671.3010.7100
Ubaldo JimenezCLESEA5/17BMaurer0.540.400.335.84.82.45.42.63.821.2910.40
Justin MastersonCLESEA5/19FHernandez0.630.360.366.25.52.45.12.33.541.2610.392
Hiroki KurodaNYATOR5/17MBuehrle0.720.400.336.86.53.15.11.74.131.2110.2100
Brandon McCarthyARIat MIA5/18TKoehler0.670.370.366.46.02.53.81.43.471.169.719
Jose FernandezMIAPHI5/21TCloyd0.560.370.365.95.02.45.02.43.711.279.250
Paul MaholmATLMIN5/22VWorley0.620.400.336.25.92.54.51.83.711.269.294
Hyun-Jin RyuLANat ATL5/17PMaholm0.540.360.375.85.62.66.12.14.031.338.9100
Bud NorrisHOUat PIT5/19JLocke0.560.340.385.95.12.85.82.34.201.248.823
Hector SantiagoCHAat LAA5/18JBlanton0.550.350.385.84.92.45.82.83.691.348.82
Travis WoodCHNNYN5/19DGee0.600.380.356.15.62.75.22.24.051.288.572
Chris CapuanoLANat ATL5/18KMedlen0.590.350.386.16.22.75.61.73.981.308.20
Tom KoehlerMIAARI5/18BMcCarthy0.550.360.375.85.32.45.32.33.721.328.20
Trevor CahillARIat MIA5/17KSlowey0.660.390.346.45.72.53.92.43.511.277.695
Tim HudsonATLMIN5/21MPelfrey0.680.410.326.56.52.74.31.93.741.307.591
A.J. GriffinOAKKC5/19LMendoza0.530.390.345.75.22.43.61.63.751.197.436
Brandon MorrowTORat NYA5/18DPhelps0.570.370.366.05.52.95.42.24.311.287.297
David PhelpsNYATOR5/18BMorrow0.540.370.365.95.32.85.02.14.361.267.022
Marco EstradaMILat STL5/18LLynn0.550.350.385.85.82.55.01.73.801.307.088
Mike LeakeCINat NYN5/21JNiese0.600.350.376.16.22.64.61.63.911.276.90
Tony CingraniCINat PHI5/17CLee0.550.340.395.85.12.55.22.53.821.326.8100
Jarrod ParkerOAKKC5/17JShields0.650.360.376.45.62.74.32.53.891.276.525
Matt MooreTBat BAL5/19CTillman0.510.380.355.75.42.65.72.54.161.406.4100
Josh LindblomTEXOAK5/20BColon0.530.400.335.75.42.65.22.54.091.376.40
Ryan DempsterBOSCLE5/23ZMcAllister0.600.400.336.26.42.95.72.24.181.406.3100
Erik BedardHOUat PIT5/18ABurnett0.450.330.395.34.72.55.12.14.261.266.25
Wade MileyARIat MIA5/19RNolasco0.720.370.356.76.22.94.02.23.871.256.2100
Jon LesterBOSat CHA5/20DAxelrod0.610.380.346.26.42.75.42.33.991.406.2100
Hyun-Jin RyuLANat MIL5/22WPeralta0.530.370.365.85.52.75.12.14.141.326.1100
Paul MaholmATLLAN5/17HRyu0.610.370.366.26.12.74.41.83.881.296.194
Homer BaileyCINat PHI5/19JPettibone0.650.390.346.46.52.94.51.84.071.305.9100
Julio TeheranATLMIN5/20KCorreia0.530.400.335.85.52.64.62.24.131.345.714
Jordan LylesHOUat PIT5/17JGomez0.540.330.405.85.52.74.51.74.151.235.50
Ryan DempsterBOSat MIN5/18SDiamond0.600.370.356.26.42.85.32.24.081.395.3100
Ricky NolascoMIAARI5/19WMiley0.630.360.376.36.42.94.31.54.101.265.33
Matt HarveyNYNat CHN5/17EJackson0.520.350.375.75.32.75.52.64.181.375.1100
R.A. DickeyTORat NYA5/19CSabathia0.770.340.387.27.13.65.12.04.491.274.9100
Rick PorcelloDETMIN5/23SDiamond0.500.410.325.55.62.43.51.53.921.284.98
Jason HammelBALTB5/17JHellickson0.550.390.345.95.92.84.82.14.201.364.558
Wade DavisKCat HOU5/21DKeuchel0.530.380.355.85.52.74.62.34.191.354.311
Hisashi IwakumaSEAat CLE5/20SKazmir0.520.370.365.86.02.74.81.84.231.364.3100
Felix DoubrontBOSat CHA5/21JQuintana0.470.390.345.55.52.65.22.44.231.434.248
Jason HammelBALNYA5/22HKuroda0.560.380.355.95.92.74.42.14.111.354.058
Eric StultsSDWAS5/18JZimmermann0.540.360.375.85.62.64.124.081.3140
Alex CobbTBat TOR5/21CJenkins0.550.400.335.96.02.94.72.04.381.363.998
Jordan LylesHOUKC5/22JShields0.550.350.375.85.62.53.51.73.841.263.90
Tyler CloydPHIat MIA5/21JFernandez0.560.360.375.95.82.63.41.63.961.253.80
Edinson VolquezSDSTL5/21AWainwright0.510.340.385.75.02.64.92.84.091.383.65
Kevin SloweyMIAARI5/17TCahill0.550.340.385.96.02.84.11.44.241.263.69
Andy PettitteNYAat BAL5/21TBD0.520.380.345.76.12.74.61.74.261.373.588
Vance WorleyMINBOS5/17CBuchholz0.530.370.365.85.92.74.72.04.191.383.50
Dillon GeeNYNat CHN5/19TWood0.640.360.376.46.63.14.92.14.381.363.316
Wily PeraltaMILLAN5/22HRyu0.480.360.365.552.65.12.84.31.423.29
Hiroki KurodaNYAat BAL5/22JHammel0.720.360.376.87.53.34.91.74.351.363.1100
C.J. WilsonLAAat KC5/23ESantana0.600.370.356.26.12.94.52.54.181.382.795
Ervin SantanaKCat OAK5/18TMilone0.560.340.386.05.92.94.42.04.321.322.6100
Kevin SloweyMIAPHI5/22CLee0.550.330.405.96.02.73.51.44.181.252.69
Scott KazmirCLESEA5/20HIwakuma0.520.370.365.75.22.74.42.74.241.382.40
Phil HughesNYAat BAL5/20FGarcia0.550.370.366.06.43.04.71.74.481.372.445
Kyle KendrickPHICIN5/18BArroyo0.520.380.355.86.02.84.01.74.381.352.089
Jason MarquisSDSTL5/20SMiller0.540.350.375.85.92.63.61.94.051.331.80
Ervin SantanaKCLAA5/23CWilson0.560.360.366.06.12.94.22.04.351.361.6100
Madison BumgarnerSFat COL5/17JDeLaRosa0.620.380.356.47.53.55.71.74.921.441.4100
Corey KluberCLEDET5/21MScherzer0.520.340.385.75.62.64.12.44.141.381.42
Derek HollandTEXDET5/19DFister0.630.380.356.46.73.34.62.14.601.381.397
Chris TillmanBALTB5/19MMoore0.50.360.375.75.72.84.52.34.441.411.12
Clay BuchholzBOSat MIN5/17VWorley0.650.360.366.46.93.14.82.44.31.440.9100
Mark BuehrleTORTB5/22JHellickson0.660.380.356.67.03.43.81.64.721.310.90
Vance WorleyMINat ATL5/22PMaholm0.510.340.385.86.13.04.92.04.631.420.30
Kyle LohseMILat STL5/19JGast0.630.380.356.47.33.24.11.64.491.390.398
John LackeyBOSat MIN5/19PHernandez0.510.380.355.76.22.73.91.94.311.430.20
Aaron HarangSEAat LAA5/21THanson0.520.330.395.85.72.94.22.24.451.37-0.10
Lucas HarrellHOUKC5/20JGuthrie0.570.380.356.05.72.83.42.64.211.39-0.12
Freddy GarciaBALNYA5/20PHughes0.520.370.355.76.02.83.61.84.341.37-0.10
Jeremy GuthrieKCat HOU5/20LHarrell0.580.360.376.16.43.03.71.94.491.36-0.253
Dylan AxelrodCHABOS5/20JLester0.500.350.375.76.12.84.42.04.531.44-0.20
Scott DiamondMINBOS5/18RDempster0.630.360.376.47.13.03.91.84.291.41-0.20
Juan NicasioCOLSF5/18TLincecum0.490.390.345.76.33.04.31.84.781.43-0.40
Ubaldo JimenezCLEDET5/22JVerlander0.520.330.395.85.62.84.22.64.341.42-0.60
Jorge de la RosaCOLARI5/22TCahill0.470.390.345.66.13.04.62.14.871.47-0.731
Luis MendozaKCat OAK5/19AGriffin0.640.350.386.46.63.13.92.34.391.40-0.80
Alex SanabiaMIAPHI5/20CHamels0.520.330.405.85.92.83.31.84.391.33-0.90
Ross DetwilerWASat SF5/20RVogelsong0.530.340.385.86.12.73.62.14.231.4-0.970
Pedro HernandezMINBOS5/19JLackey0.500.360.365.76.32.83.61.84.501.41-1.40
Bronson ArroyoCINat PHI5/18KKendrick0.620.360.366.37.13.23.41.54.571.35-1.58
Doug FisterDETat TEX5/19DHolland0.580.360.366.27.23.33.91.44.811.38-1.7100
Jeremy HellicksonTBat TOR5/22MBuehrle0.460.360.365.65.83.14.12.05.001.40-1.994
Brandon MaurerSEAat CLE5/17UJimenez0.470.340.385.65.93.04.82.44.781.49-2.12
Clay BuchholzBOSat CHA5/22CSale0.630.340.396.47.23.34.72.44.641.48-2.3100
Anibal SanchezDETat TEX5/18JGrimm0.580.380.356.27.03.54.21.85.061.42-2.7100
Ian KennedyARIat COL5/21JChacin0.560.370.366.27.53.65.11.75.281.49-2.9100
Mark BuehrleTORat NYA5/17HKuroda0.640.340.386.67.13.73.51.65.071.32-3.20
Brandon MaurerSEAat LAA5/22JWilliams0.480.320.415.65.634.12.44.771.43-3.22
Wily PeraltaMILat STL5/17JGarcia0.470.330.395.55.72.84.62.84.501.55-3.39
Joe SaundersSEAat CLE5/18ZMcAllister0.570.330.396.16.93.34.21.84.861.43-3.32
Jeremy HellicksonTBat BAL5/17JHammel0.470.350.385.66.23.03.92.04.861.46-3.694
Jose QuintanaCHABOS5/21FDoubront0.530.350.375.96.63.14.22.24.801.50-3.775
Roberto HernandezTBat BAL5/18TBD0.490.370.355.66.52.93.21.64.631.45-4.02
Nick TepeschTEXOAK5/22JParker0.450.390.345.55.93.13.52.15.111.45-4.10
Jorge de la RosaCOLSF5/17MBumgarner0.460.370.365.66.33.14.02.15.021.50-4.331
Zach McAllisterCLEat BOS5/23RDempster0.510.340.385.97.03.34.71.95.061.52-4.45
Tim LincecumSFat COL5/18JNicasio0.410.360.375.46.33.25.02.25.391.57-4.698
Jeremy HefnerNYNat CHN5/18SFeldman0.480.330.395.76.33.13.51.84.931.43-4.90
Jhoulys ChacinCOLARI5/21IKennedy0.440.380.355.56.33.14.22.35.141.56-5.130
Dallas KeuchelHOUKC5/21WDavis0.420.360.375.35.62.72.21.84.631.40-5.30
Bartolo ColonOAKat TEX5/20JLindblom0.580.340.396.37.63.63.61.35.181.43-6.114
Dan StrailyOAKat TEX5/21YDarvish0.450.320.405.66.33.34.22.15.291.51-6.816
Chad JenkinsTORTB5/21ACobb0.470.350.385.76.13.32.92.05.181.42-7.00
Mike PelfreyMINat ATL5/21THudson0.460.330.395.66.53.23.61.95.101.49-7.00
Jon GarlandCOLARI5/20PCorbin0.440.380.355.56.63.23.72.05.261.56-7.10
Patrick CorbinARIat COL5/20JGarland0.430.370.365.56.93.44.31.85.511.57-7.398
Rick PorcelloDETat TEX5/17NTepesch0.450.390.345.56.83.22.91.55.171.49-7.48
Kevin CorreiaMINat ATL5/20JTeheran0.500.340.385.86.93.33.41.85.161.50-7.68
Justin GrimmTEXDET5/18ASanchez0.450.370.365.66.33.33.22.05.301.50-7.827
Jarrod ParkerOAKat TEX5/22NTepesch0.590.360.366.47.43.94.32.55.461.55-8.425
Trevor CahillARIat COL5/22JDeLaRosa0.590.360.376.48.03.84.82.45.361.63-8.695
Scott DiamondMINat DET5/23RPorcello0.600.330.396.47.93.63.21.85.151.53-9.90
Nick TepeschTEXDET5/17RPorcello0.440.370.365.56.43.432.15.491.54-10.10
Tyler ChatwoodCOLSF5/19BZito0.390.410.325.36.43.43.12.75.761.71-13.00
Barry ZitoSFat COL5/19TChatwood0.350.350.375.37.13.93.32.16.661.75-18.356
Jon GarlandCOLARI5/20PCorbin0.440.380.355.56.63.23.72.05.261.56-7.10
Rick PorcelloDETat TEX5/17NTepesch0.450.390.345.56.83.22.91.55.171.49-7.48
Kevin CorreiaMINat ATL5/20JTeheran0.500.340.385.86.93.33.41.85.161.50-7.68
Justin GrimmTEXDET5/18ASanchez0.450.370.365.66.33.33.22.05.301.50-7.827
Jhoulys ChacinCOLSF5/16MCain0.430.370.365.56.43.23.72.35.301.59-8.130
Trevor CahillARIat COL5/22JDeLaRosa0.590.360.376.47.93.84.82.45.311.62-8.395
Jarrod ParkerOAKat TEX5/22NTepesch0.590.360.366.47.43.94.32.55.461.55-8.425
Nick TepeschTEXDET5/17RPorcello0.440.370.365.56.43.432.15.51.54-10.10
Barry ZitoSFat COL5/19JFrancis0.350.320.45.37.13.93.32.16.621.75-19.256

Notes:
Razzball Stream-o-Nator (aka Streamonator, Stream-o-nater, Streamonater):  This tool is designed to identify attractive fantasy baseball streamers based on several factors including park and opponent strength.  It could also be used to determine when to start/sit a pitcher on your roster. The higher the $ value, the more attractive the start.  Streaming pitchers has inherent risk to it – this tool merely tries to increase the odds for picking a particular start.

Pitchers Included: All probable pitchers for up to the next 7 days.  Pitchers with two starts are listed twice.

$ Values - A pitcher’s projected stats for their start are multiplied by 30 then run valued for a 12-team MLB league using the ESPN/CBSSports roster format (13 hitters, 9 pitchers) and a $260 team budget.  While the $ values would vary for any other league format, we would expect the rankings to remain relatively the same.  For 12-team leagues, $8 is about the ‘average’ start.  Anything under $0 would be deemed as ‘free agent quality’.

What Are These Projections Based on? - More info to come here but they are generally a combination of preseason projections adjusted to park, opponent, and whether the start is home or away (everything equal, SPs pitch better at home).  Wins/Losses take into account the strength of the opposing pitcher.

What Is Your Expected Accuracy? – More info to come but expected correlations will be in line with preseason projection accuracy.  Barely educated guess is that all stats will fall between 8-20% positively correlated.

 

449 Responses

  1. Thom says:
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    Is this tool functional? If so, how the heck do I use it?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      It’ll return next weekend, at that point it should be obvious how to use…

      • Thom says:
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        Thank you sir. I recently discovered your site as I have been getting pummeled in my leagues in the last few years… probably due to a lack of preparation. Hopefully that will all change now.

  2. Nathan says:
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    The link that’s supposed to go to a more in-depth explaination (razzball.com/launch-of-stream-o-nater) appears to be broken. Does that page still exist somewheres?

    • @Nathan: Fixed the link. FYI, the ‘new’ version will be different than last year’s version. Instead of a ‘score’, I’ll be providing a 12-team MLB $ value. I’ll also be providing projected IP/W/K/ERA/WHIP.

      • Mike says:
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        @Rudy Gamble:

        Any chance of both a value and a score? Last year in a daily league with no games played limit I ended up streaming every single pitcher with a three digit score. It’s nice having a metric for an average performance.

        • I would view $8 as an average pitching start. Looking at the preseason $ estimates, Lance Lynn is at 0.0 Point Shares and worth a little more than $8.

          The challenge with the score is that it was based on WHIP which has a limited band (e.g., if 1.25 is average and 1.00 to 1.50 are the highest/lowest projection, then the highest/lowest scores are 80 and 120.

          With $ estimates, if I say $8 is average, a $24 start is worth 300 and a $4 start is worth 50. Just not a lot of value there.

          I think it’s just a matter of everyone establishing their ‘baseline’ for acceptable in their league format.

          • Mike says:
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            @Rudy Gamble:

            Thanks Rudy, like you said establishing that metric for average is really the only thing I really needed that score for.

          • Mike says:
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            @Rudy Gamble:

            Additionally that RCL ownership percentage is a real nice way to help us track how we and our leagues compare to sharper players. Good feature.

  3. RandomItalicizedVoice says:
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    Any thoughts on Buchholz v. the Yanks today?

  4. Sorryano Northsiders says:
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    Fingers crossed hoping the Stream-O-Nater is ready today!!!!

  5. Chitown You Mutha says:
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    How we doing on the stream o nator?

  6. AJ says:
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    Man, I was hoping to use this today.

  7. BillyBoy says:
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    Carly Simon put it best with “anticipation… is keeping me waiting.”

    • I’m so vain that I think this post is about me

  8. Tony Starks says:
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    I think it was Jay-Z who said “I ain’t got no patience… and I hate waitin”

    JIGGA

    • Jay-Z should learn to rap without resorting to double negatives.

  9. Hotrod says:
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    What the crap guys? Where is the tool at?

  10. Swat290 says:
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    So between this, the war room, the humor and bits and pieces of baseball knowledge that slip through the cracks, I’m surprised you guys don’t have some sort of donation thingy set up. Maybe I’m shinning a light on something others don’t want to be seen but I’d gladly donate some just for the fact that there are tons of really good resources here.

    • Sorryano Northsiders says:
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      @Swat290: Click on the banner that says “Buy (Picture of Grey) a (with a hat) a daiquiri! to say thanks for helping with your team” on the main page and you can donate whatever you want! These guys rock!

      • Swat290 says:
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        @Sorryano Northsiders:
        Sweet, the only thing better than owning that stache is owning a silhouette of it!

  11. Paul says:
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    Where is this? I need it!

  12. Sorryano Northsiders says:
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    I know I am as anxious as anyone for this fantastic tool that served me so well last year and I drafted assuming I could get about half my starts from the Stream-O-Nater! Let us not forget that we are getting this too for free and that Rudy is working hard on getting it up and running. I have no idea the level of effort that goes into it, but the outcome will be well worth the wait. Thanks Rudy

    • Thanks – it’s a long season. It’ll be here before you know it.

  13. Tom says:
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    Rudy — take your time! I’d rather wait another week or 2 and get a better product! I hear that you are putting many more factors in. I hope this is true and I hope you let us know about the additional factors. If this is what I think it can be I’m going to be making a donation too!

    • Thanks – I’m seeing the ‘long view’ on this one. I don’t want to ‘beta’ this and then not be able to keep it going.

      I think this version will be more useful. Looking forward to sharing it…

  14. Okay, Beta version is up for games 4/11 to 4/17. Let me know what you think…

    • Redonk says:
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      @Rudy Gamble: Just in time for my birthday, hungover waiver wire decisions will be a lot safer now. All thanks to you! Cheers

  15. Caleb-King Stone says:
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    How about a 2nd $$ value for Deep Leagues where streaming is so difficult and important, because options are limited.

    • @Caleb-King Stone: I would just lower your $ threshold to where it’s appropriate. There’s no real uniform ‘deep league’ format to create a $ on. I’d probably have to create a 15-team and a 12-team AL/NL only. Will take it into consideration.

  16. Donnie B says:
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    Looks great. Would it be safe to say that by $ value anyone over $10 is a “start”, $6 to $9.9 is “use discretion” and everyone below $6 is a sit?

    • supra says:
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      @Donnie B: Nice post Donnie, I’d love to hear Rudy & Grey’s thought on that. I’m in several 12 team H2H leagues… so for daily starts, it would be interesting to know their general $ guidelines.

    • @Donnie B: I don’t have a rule of thumb yet for 12-team leagues. Gun to my head, I would think above $5 would be a good floor and above $10 would be a goal.

      • chillmodious says:
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        @Rudy Gamble:

        Rudy,

        This discussion is in line with my thoughts when I opened the SON for the first time this season. I had a lot of success last season using the SON’s old ranking scale (with the park/lineup factors translating to a point value system). The use of $-values as a projection is very confusing to me (caveat: perhaps this confusion will wane as I adapt, but at first glance I prefer how it was set up last year). Is there a reason you changed the format? And, will any of those elements return to the SON this season?

        • @chillmodious: I moved to the $ estimation because I think it’s more self-explanatory to anyone with auction-drafting experience. So $30 is a super ace, $20 is a very good pitcher, $8 is an ‘Average’ pitcher, $0 is a Free Agent, etc.

          The bigger issue with last year’s ‘score’ was that it was tied to one metric (WHIP). Now instead of using those components for a ‘score’, I’m using them to calculate all the stats and a pitcher’s K-rate and likelihood of a Win are fully accounted for.

          In the end, I don’t think it really matters if a guy is projected at a 3.00 ERA because he’s very good, pitching against a bad team, and in a hitter’s park vs. he’s just okay, pitching against a bad team, in a pitcher’s park. They both net out to 3.00. The Streamonator helps to uncover the bargains (generally guys who are just okay but have good matchups) and alerts when a good/very good pitcher is in a bad matchup.

          I think over time you’ll take to this…

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            @Rudy Gamble: Thanks for that. Your explanation makes a lot of sense and, as I alluded to, it may just be a matter of getting comfortable with the new setup. I fear change! Thanks for all the fine work you do.

  17. Sorryano Northsiders says:
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    Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, If I could carry you off the field in celebration and dump gatorade over your head, I would. Fantastic Work! Like Donnie B and Supra said above, I would love some comments regarding understanding “baselines” such as what is the average start (like 100 was a year ago I think). If you gave us some idea of tier ratings based on $, that would be great. Also I love that you can sort the columns. This will be especially handy when we are trying to target specific stats in the late months of the season. Again, thank you so much. I look forward to getting to know the new Stream-O-Nator

    • Sorryano Northsiders says:
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      @Sorryano Northsiders: As a side note, I am trying to figure what team Greinke and Kershaw pitch for (LAN), is that Los Angeles – North; Los Angeles – No-Salary-Cap; just kidding!

        • Sorryano Northsiders says:
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          @Whatever: Yeah, I figured that out when I saw NYN, me needs more coffee this morning!

      • @Sorryano Northsiders: Yeah, I know. The abbreviations are courtesy of our data feed provider. They use A for American and N for National in cases where there are two teams in a city. I prefer NYY/NYM vs. NYA/NYN but just doesn’t seem worth the hassle to make the adjustments to all the eventual reports we’ll have up on the site.

  18. Whatever says:
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    Hi Rudy,

    How are you pulling numbers for the pitchers? Edinson Volquez has a 10 ERA and a 2.11 whip this year but the stream o nator makes him look like an ace. Please advise.

    Thanks.

    • @Whatever: $11 isn’t an ace but I see your point since Volquez is pretty brutal to watch. The easy answer here is that Volquez is at Petco.

      Check out his home/road splits from last year: http://www.fangraphs.com/statsplits.aspx?playerid=3990&position=P&season=2012

      One aspect that I haven’t adjusted for is the new SEA and SD park configurations. I have some modeled data on the impact but haven’t incorporated it yet into the Park Factors. That might reduce some of the luster on Hodgepadres and Marginers.

  19. Updated at 11:30AM EST with
    1) new W/L calcs that now match expected W/L/No Decision distribution (roughly 36%/36%/28%)
    2) revised components for opponent strength to take out any hitters on the DL (this particularly hurts the Yankees)
    3) $ values updated accordingly

  20. Anthony says:
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    @Rudy Gamble: What happened to the score for streamers ???

  21. Lipson says:
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    Hey Rudy, any way we can get an Excel file that we can download and play around with? Would be nice to be able to manipulate the data and maybe mark up things to plan ahead.

  22. Simply Fred

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    Nice work! Diving in right away. Dropped Lannan and Garland (tentative for tomorrow and poor SON ratings) for Hughes and Vargas today (MUCH better ratings)–a good early test for me. I will be watching Volquez and Haren closely–based on poor early season vs. park factor…?

    room to add ‘%-owned’? not critical, just a thought.

    Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • @simply fred: Thanks. Working with our awesome commish (VinWins) to add % Owned in RCL as a column.

  23. Anthony says:
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    @Rudy – How do i sort by Pitcher …. -P or whatever is not working ….

    • @Anthony: This only includes pitchers so no need. You can use the filter to filter by date.

  24. Anthony says:
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    ERR- HOW DO I SORT BY HITTER ???

  25. Simply Fred

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    Lannan appears twice.

  26. Simply Fred

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    I see–two starts–duh

  27. CL says:
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    This is cool and all… but something doesn’t pass the sniff test for me; Haren @ $20 today?! That’s not “use discretion” that’s start ‘em up baby… really?!

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      @CL: Then Haren drops down to $14 against Meejami on the 16th?! Alarms bells… or is it just me?!

    • @CL: The underlying Steamer data likes Haren much more than I do (has him at 3.47/1.15). He might be the SP I disagree most with.

      As for the start at home vs. CHA being valued higher than @MIA, the reasons are:
      1) Home starts get adjusted down on ERA/WHIP, Away Starts get adjusted up. If you do a League split on home/away starts, you’ll see why
      2) The White Sox offense projects really poorly on the offensive strength components (wOBA, OBP). Their power isn’t enough to compensate for bad OBP. Plus, their counting/rate stats appear inflated b/c they hit in a favorable park.
      3) The White Sox strike out more than the Marlins. Say what you want about the Marlins but they project as the 6th stingiest on K’s. The White Sox are a tad above average.

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        @Rudy Gamble: I’m glad you said that. I saw the value for Haren and almost played him but went with my gut instead and left him to continue rotting on the bench. Pretty sure I’m better off dropping him for streamers at this point.

  28. Zobmie says:
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    Are the hitters not up and running yet?

    • @Zobmie: Not yet. This is the first step as opposing pitcher is a key variable for hitter performance on a given day. Hitter-tron probably is a few weeks away.

  29. RCL Ownership is added. This isn’t automated so it will only be updated sporadically (once a week maybe). Don’t be using it as some real-time gauge for how many people are streaming….

  30. B.o.B says:
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    FYI….Doubront is pitching on 4/12 vs TB, not 4/11 vs Bal

    • @B.o.B: Thanks. I imagine there will always be cases like this – particularly the starts that are further out.

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        @Rudy Gamble: Thanks! Yeah, it’s expected but I’m sure the tens of loyal guy readers and 2 girl readers will inform you of any discrepencies they notice and you’ll be on top of it as soon as you can! Great work here Rude Boy!

  31. Brettj72 says:
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    Brett Myers is starting on Sunday vs the White Sox instead of Tuesday vs the Red Sox.

    • @Brettj72: Updated. (but don’t get used to it…I rely on a (generally reliable) feed for probable pitchers – i would expect the accuracy of the probable pitcher will increase as their start approaches.

  32. VinWins

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    SON nailed Josh Johnson’s terrible start today.

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      @VinWins: Probably would have lowered JJ’s rank even more if SON had known it was going to be 35 F in Detroit.

  33. FWIW, that debacle of a Josh Johnson start was estimated by Stream-o-Nator at almost negative $3.

  34. Anthony says:
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    @Rudy – when will the player rater be up and running for hitters? Also i like the new format Rudy and all the effort and hardwork you put in to get the streamonator back up as soon as you could. I appreciate it.

    • Thinking by the end of the month at the latest.

  35. dzigga says:
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    Tyson Ross start for tomorrow seems a bit suspect. I assume you are using Steamer FIP projections as an input? They have him with a 3.46 projected FIP for some reason, a full point lower than ZIPS. I can’t believe he’s that good yet…

    • @dzigga: I use Steamer but do not use FIP. I take the ERA projection and adjust for home park. That creates a park-neutral ERA. I don’t want fielding-independent – fielding impact improves the accuracy. I have him at < $0. Not sure how much more suspect you want. I wouldn’t start him outside of NL-only.

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        @Rudy Gamble: I see Tyson Ross for $9.9 for his 4/12 start tomorrow? You say you have him at less than zero – maybe you are looking at his 4/17 start? If that is all park effect I am kind of amazed that the effect is so big.

        • yeah, i caught the issue and replied a few minutes before this comment.

    • @dzigga: My bad – you were referring to the $10 start at home (SD) against Colorado. Yeah, that’s a perfect storm matchup. SD is one of the top 3 parks to pitch in. Colorado is one of the worst hitting teams (surprisingly) once you adjust for their favorable home park. Over the past 3 years, the Rockies have the fewest Runs on the Road of any team in the major leagues.

      I don’t love this matchup b/c Ross has little to no K potential. But I’m streaming Volquez the day after.

  36. dzigga says:
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    Thanks a lot for putting this together btw. I’m excited it’s finally here. I only drafted 3 SP’s with an eye towards using this for the rest… and streaming on my own has been a total disaster so far with a 5.65 ERA and 1.55 WHIP over 36.2 innings. I’ll let you know how it goes using the tool.

      • Steve says:
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        @Rudy Gamble: Any thoughts on why you went with 4 starters, as opposed to 3, which is what others have been doing?

        • No deep thoughts here. It’s personal preference. I prefer not to depend as much on streaming. I’m starting with 4 SPs, 6 relievers, and a streamer position. I can see moving to 3 SPs if one of my 4 get hurt or going to 5-6 SPs if I nab someone worth keeping on waivers.

          • Steve says:
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            @Rudy Gamble: Thanks! Thoughts, deep or otherwise on Garret Richards v the Astros? Looks llike so-so $$ value, but decent win probability…

            • Looked at that one – skeptical he can make it through five with the pitch count he’ll be on

  37. Jason says:
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    FISTER! My first SON-OF-A-BENCH this season!

  38. Goose says:
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    Awesome – thanks Rudy!

    I’m surprised to see AJ Burnett’s 4/17 vs STL rated so highly. It’s at home and he’s been solid – but that team hits .300 against him as a team and blew his shit up last year. It’s gonna be really, really hard to trust him for that outing, IMO…

    • @Goose: No prob. Yeah, I agree with you on Burnett. Pitching @PIT is a nice advantage. I think his Win value is inflated and is driving up his price.

    • @Rudy Gamble: @Goose: I’ve adjusted the Wins/Losses formula yet again. Takes Burnett down from $11 to $9. Explanation why is in a comment below about the change.

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      @Goose:

      Goose,

      If you look at his stats more closely you will see that he gave up 12ER in 2.2 innings at Busch Stadium. If you take out the 12 ER, he only gave up 3ER against STL at home in 13 innings.

      So i think there is a big difference against STL home/away. I own him and will be starting him tonight.

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        @Whatever: I started him at home vs. CIN last week too. I’m more nervous about starting him vs. STL on 4/17, even if it is at home. They blew him up at that one start at Busch, yes, but also they hit .300 as a team against him. (Cincy as a team only bats .220 on him.) Yes, this 4/17 start is at home – I’m still nervous, though!

  39. oppo taco says:
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    Rudy can you endorse starting Haren tonight? SON likes him more than I do in the matchup….not sure i have the cajones to roll him out there

    • @oppo taco: Endorse? Who do I look like, Fred McGriff? Starting Haren at home against the white sox doesn’t take that much cajones. Starting him at US Cellular would. As noted above, I’m very bearish on Haren but I could see rolling the dice on this one.

  40. Nation says:
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    First time reader, long time commenter… wait, no long time reader. Ok just a new reader and new commenter.

    Rudy (and the rest of the commentariat), what are your thoughts on streaming a pitcher like Vargas (11.3) when your co-manager vehemently suggests that you start Griffin (-.2)? Also when you have a moves limit (65 in one, 70 in another)? Do you stream early and accrue roster moves towards your limit when weathers “colder” and could be less of a book on a pitcher? FWIW, tWWL has Griffin at #3, Vargas at #5 in their daily notes.

    • @Nation: A vehement suggestion – have you tried a forceful rebuttal? Vargas and Griffin are similar pitchers. Very good control. Mediocre K rates. They are pitching in the same park. So the key differences are: 1) The Angels are a better offense than the A’s (edge Vargas) and 2) Vargas is pitching at home (edge Vargas). There is no way I’m streaming a mediocre pitcher like Griffin against LAA. Vargas isn’t likely going to provide a great start but would be the better pick of the two (and a worthwhile stream).

      And if you have that few # of moves, I wouldn’t be streaming. I’d ‘grab and hold’ SPs who are hot or have a good couple of matchups coming up. Silly to burn precious moves that might be needed for injury-caused holes for a few streams.

    • @Nation: Oofa, guess SON wasn’t helpful there. Hard to predict who’ll have the BABIP good fortune in a matchup of non-K guys (Griffin only 1 K in 8 IP!).

  41. Adjustment made 5PM EST to the W/L formulas. I had to take Projected IP out of the equation because it was leading to false results. On the 4/17 PIT-STL start, it was reporting that Burnett had a sizable win advantage over Shelby even though Shelby’s projected ERA is 0.30 better – the driver was that Burnett is projected to pitch an extra inning. That is nonsensical. It now projects using only pitcher ERA and opposing pitcher ERA as variables.

  42. Anthony says:
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    @Rudy Would you do this trade Matt Moore for Mariano? I own Matt Moore and im currently in need of atleast 1 more closer. This is what my pitching staff looks like ( 12 man h2h league )

    Hamels
    Zimmermann
    Perkins
    Motte DL doesnt look good…
    Matt Moore
    Peavy
    Pettitte
    Clippard
    Storen

    I think its fair no? I could find pitching on waivers. Detwiler was just dropped .. Billingsley is available… Fiers is there… Thoughts ??

    • I wouldn’t make the trade. Saves in H2H are devalued in my eyes since, typically, there are a lot more GS in H2H leagues which increases the opportunity cost of a closer. I’d hoard all the good SPs I could – especially one like Moore who pitchers at a favorable home park. Just be patient and you’ll find a 2nd closer on waivers and can dump Clippard or Storen.

  43. Huge Caulk says:
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    May have asked this earlier…12 team 6×6 QS, K/9 H2H.
    1) start Worley 3.9$ NYM tomorrow night. Not sure what the benchmark is…
    2)the Shark looks unfavorable at 3.1$on Saturday…Is that due to Wrigley or the Giants? Would you actualy sit him?

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      @Huge Caulk: i think due to lately SF hitting well. But all of last year they were at best mediocre hitting team. Does anyone else think Leake tomorrow at Pit should be better than Ross vs Col? It’s likely because Burnett is better than Garland and Burnett is at home. I need to stream somebody tomorrow.

    • For h2h, I would start both. Shark is tough – seems to be great or bad. I’d ride his hot K streak

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      @Huge Caulk: niese is low too .. Is Minn doing that well?

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        @c0wfunk: this comment should be @charles below.

      • @c0wfunk: I mentioned this in a Harvey comment “Minnesota is a generally average lineup and the park is generally run-neutral (suppresses power but not runs). I did find that the park is OBP-friendly – it has the 6th highest factor of any park (COL, BOS, CHA, TEX, BAL are ahead of it). ” This is driving up his WHIP.

        Niese’s pre-season value is increased b/c he has a favorable home park. He’s only a $9.4 in pre-season value and he’s probably $11+ for most home starts.

        $5 isn’t awful and it may pay to roll the dice since 1) MIN is an average offensive team not great and 2) he has a puncher’s chance at a win. But it’s likely Niese will be a recommended sit in about 1/2 his road starts….

  44. Tulo-Frisky says:
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    Any specific reason Tyson Ross is rated so high??

    • @Tulo-Frisky: Had explained above. Here’s the repeat “My bad – you were referring to the $10 start at home (SD) against Colorado. Yeah, that’s a perfect storm matchup. SD is one of the top 3 parks to pitch in. Colorado is one of the worst hitting teams (surprisingly) once you adjust for their favorable home park. Over the past 3 years, the Rockies have the fewest Runs on the Road of any team in the major leagues.

      I don’t love this matchup b/c Ross has little to no K potential. But I’m streaming Volquez the day after.”

  45. Charles says:
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    Harvey @MIN at $5.1? Stream-O-Nator must not be a Mets fan.

    • @Charles: Can you blame him? The underlying Steamer projections have Harvey as a strong K/9 pitcher (9K/9) and bad control (4BB/9). Prior to this year, perhaps because of the control issues, he didn’t go far in games. Last year he averaged 5.9 IP in 10 MLB starts. and 5.5 IP in 20 AAA GS. This is below averages and reduces his K projections. Minnesota is a generally average lineup and the park is generally run-neutral (suppresses power but not runs). I did find that the park is OBP-friendly – it has the 6th highest factor of any park (COL, BOS, CHA, TEX, BAL are ahead of it). This exacerbates the BB-driven WHIP issues of Harvey.

      Given Harvey’s K-potential and what would SEEM like limited downside pitching @MIN, I’d start him if I had him. But either Harvey’s control issues are going to reappear (vs. 2.57 BB/9 in first 2 starts) or he’ll be corrected (somewhat) in SON when I switch over to using ‘Rest of Season’ projections that account for in-season performance.

  46. Joey belle says:
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    Probably a stupid question, but how do you filter by date? Thanks, I love this tool

  47. c0wfunk says:
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    Nice job, this is brilliant, really. One suggestion: could you make the categories header stick to the top of the browser when scrolled, similar to the way the top 400 is done? I imagine extending to this page shouldnt be a huge task. Thanks much for this resource!

    If my week wasn’t already screwed, id be more worried about picking up nolasco v the phils, hope he pulls it off! I passed over the seeming anomalies of Ross and leake who intuitively seem too high.. Any insight on why? Nolasco is above niese v Minn which also seems surprising. What do you think creates these sorts of idiosyncrasies?

    To be clear I’m not criticizing at all, this is an absolute work of art! Do you do the coding / Dev work? Is this in ruby on rails as the war room seems to be? What kind of db do you use?

    • c0wfunk says:
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      @c0wfunk: “could you make the categories header stick to the top of the browser ” nm it does this already. I was looking in my tablet where the feature doesn’t work.. Thanks again.

  48. Donnie B says:
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    Haren gets the win.

    • @Donnie B: Yeah, he had a bad BABIP day but SON liked the win potential going against Dylan Axelrod.

  49. Charles says:
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    I’m a huge fan of this. Streaming is the dominant strategy in just about every 12-team or shallower format. The ability to accumulate Wins and Ks with waiver wire garbage gives a streamer a 2-category lead over a non-streamer almost every week.

    Does SON emphasize Ks? An 8K start is better in fantasy than a 2K start, all else being equal. Some teams are more susceptible to Ks than others. I want my SPs facing bad offenses that K a lot.

    • @Charles: SON doesn’t particularly emphasize K’s but it values it proportionally with Wins, ERA, and WHIP (just like Player Rater does). I have found, though, that K projections correlate more with actuals than the other three stats (Win % is worst). If you project Wins/Ks * 30, you’ll find that the highest K projection (4/13 vs ATL – Strasburg – 8.9) * 30 represents 270 Ks which seems optimistic (but the Braves K a lot). For Wins, the top is somehow Juan Nicasio (4/14 vs. NYN – .44). Multiply that by 30 and you’re only at 13 Wins. Blech! This is because there just isn’t enough confidence in the projections to say a guy is going to Win 60+% of his starts (.6*30=18). Net-net, Wins are devalued vs. ERA/WHIP/Ks.

  50. Tom says:
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    SON looks awesome! Like I said above, if it does what I think it can do I’m donating to the site and would encourage everyone else to do the same. Tools like this are a HUGE advantage.

    One question: I’m in a 10 team league. Does that make a real difference when using this and comparing relative values?

    Also, are the values based on the other pitchers going that particular day or not? In other words, can I legitimately compare the $ of one pitcher going on one day to the $ of another pitcher going on another day?

    Lastly, I do wonder if the estimate W% is going to bias the data. For 4/12 Kershaw Win% (.41) over SD is equal to Leake over PHL. I know the PHL pitcher isn’t that good, but I would have expected at least some difference in W% in this case. I read your comment above saying that W% has the worst correlation. Are you working on any way to improve this?

    • @Tom: 10 team league would mean you would be striving for a higher $ figure threshold. Here’s the easiest way to determine a threshold for an ‘average’ start. Go to the Pre-Season Player Rater per your format (10 team) and find a SP with close to 0.0 Point Shares. Look for that pitcher in the 12-team and see what his $ figure is. That’ll be your ‘average start value’ target.

      I agree that my ‘gut’ would’ve said Kershaw at home vs Padres (Tyson Ross) would have a higher likelihood to win than Leake at home vs. PHI (John Lannan). But who knows? Wins are fluky. Kershaw only had 14 wins in 33 GS last year (42.4%). I’ll say this – I have more faith in the Cincy offense to smoke Lannan (and give Leake a big lead) vs. the Dodgers smoking Tyson Ross.

    • @Tom: And, yes, the $ is independent of the relative strength/weakness of the day’s crop of starting pitchers. So a great Kershaw start is worth the same no matter what day.

      • Tom says:
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        @Rudy Gamble: OK, I did what you said to figure out $ for average start in 10 team. Player Rater says Lincecom is 0 points in 10 team. His value in 12 team is $9.60 in (160/100) and $7.5 in (180/80) which should I use and am I doing this right?

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          @Tom: BTW – I was using ESPN (reaction to comment below). Are your SON values ESPN or other?

          • @Tom: ESPN (and should apply for CBSSports and most other providers…Yahoo has the anomlous default roster format)

        • @Tom: Yup, that sounds right! As part of FAQ, I’ll put an average start estimate for the common formats.

      • George says:
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        @Rudy Gamble:

        Thanks for the info on know how to reasonably draw a line for starting/streamer ___________ (fill-in-the-blank).

        Out of curiosity, I compared pitchers using Yahoo’s 12-team Pts.Share/$ amount to ESPN’s 12-team Pts.Share/$ amount and noticed that there’s a decent difference in SP prices between the two formats. For example, a 0.0 Pts.Share pitcher in Yahoo! equates to a $9.9 value while in ESPN the same Pts.Share equivalent drops to $8.6. Does ESPN’s roster requirement of one extra pitcher cause that much of a difference or is it something else?

        • @George: It’s also that Yahoo has less hitters (13 to 10) so pitchers get a greater % of the $.

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            @Rudy Gamble:

            Ah, good point. I forgot about that aspect altering the flip side of the coin.

  51. Nathan says:
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    So, is there a way to filter by $$ value or ownership? The fact that entire first page is filled with guys like Darvish, Strasburg, Verlander etc seems kind of silly.

    I like that those guys are on there, but there doesn’t seem to be a way to filter them out.

    • @Nathan: you can sort by RCL owned if you like. we’ll have an improved grid during the season for more flexibility in filtering.

  52. Rico says:
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    I see I can filter by an exact date, but for those of us in weekly leagues it would be nice to filter by a week. Say 4/15 to 4/21.

    • @Rico: we’ll have filtering some time this year where I think you’ll be able to say > 4/14

  53. Per a comment above, yes, the SON K-projections take into account the opponent’s likelihood to K. So a matchup vs. a K-heavy team like Atlanta will project to more Ks than a contact-heavy team like Miami.

  54. huge caulk says:
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    SON freakin rules…I just wasted like an hour just staring at all those beautiful little numbers, as I did yesterday as well…can’t wait for when hitter data is available as well…This here is why I will continue to donate every so often even though I am broke and homeless…

    1)Speaking of streaming…I am actually considering sitting Goldschmidt tonight against Kershaw and streaming Konerko who is turning it around.

    Goldy’s career line vs Clayton K: 1/11 2BB’s, 5K’s. Kershaw usually pitches into late innings too, Goldy seems overmatched vs real heat this year, see Trevor Rosenthal.

    2)Is Jarrod Parker another sit coming up vs DET at 3.1$ in a H2H…I fortunately I sat him early this week… would you risk him? I’m actually thinking of dropping his azz if this continues much longer…

    • @huge caulk: Glad you like it! Solid logic on Goldschmidt. I wouldn’t start Parker against DET the way they’re swinging…

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        Thanks for the advice…
        However, Giancarlo went down and I had to play Goldy in util role…who is now 0 for 2with a K in a 1-0 slugfest.

        SON was dead on with Masterson btw. Helped me balance out the 1 inning gem from Worley. I guess if SON rates them under 5$ prolly a good idea to bench in a H2H…unless youre desperate. Which I kinda am.

        • @Huge Caulk: That Worley start was awful. It was a relatively safe start based on the projections. Sometimes the hits just fall, sometimes they fall into gloves (see Lannan’s start). I liked Masterson for home starts going into the year but now he’s turning back to a ‘start most games’ guy. SON does not respect the White Sox or Rockies on the road….

  55. greg says:
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    How does Matt Harvey only have a “score” of 5.1? He faces the twins who suck and the guy has been lights out so far. I’m obviously starting him just thought he would have a higher number.

    • it’s not a score, it’s a $ estimate. Search on this page for ‘Harvey’ for why he’s valued there.

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        @Rudy Gamble:
        I get that it’s a dollar amount just don’t get how he is only 5.1 against the twins but something called Tommy Millone is 16.5 against the astros. Both teams are equally sucky, so just wondering why harveys dollar amount isn’t more. Like i said i’m still starting Harvey just a question about the amount.

        • @Greg: Milone @ home. Harvey away. A’s park probably better for pitchers (foul ground suppresses AVG/OBP). Astros are a worse offense than Twins, particularly with K’s which boosts Milone’s otherwise eh K-rate. A’s (and Milone) have a better chance of winning.

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            @Rudy Gamble:

            It was spot in for Neise last night. I started him as a no-brainer v the Twins. Got a win thanks to the Twins abysmal pitching, however, ratios got fried… Rolled the dice on Iwakuma @ $7.40, assuming league average is $8, and did well. Bench edCobb – didn’t matter as game was rained out. Benching Ryu tonight…

            This is a great tool and one piece to a larger puzzle when deciding who to start. Very cool – thanks Rudy.

  56. George says:
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    Maybe this is posted somewhere else and I haven’t seen it… nor have I researched it because I’m lazy (in which I apologize in advance – writing the word “apologize” is far quicker than doing the research).

    Anyways, what’s the correlation of the Stream-O-Nator’s predictions to actual results? I enjoy a good statistical analysis when I don’t have to do the work.

    • @George: I tested on 2012 data but will provide results on 2013 data once there is a decent sample.

  57. Steve says:
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    Rudy – nothing related to the SON, which is obviously awesome, but just wanted to make sure you’re in Grey’s ear sufficiently frequently with regard to how some of ‘your’ (or indeed Point Shares’) guys have been doing in the early going, specifically, Dn Murphy, Altuve, Pence.

    I draft Grey’s guys as much as the next Razzballer, but I spread the net a little wider this year, so just want to confirm that some of those less fashionable guys are getting their due, hopefully in the midst of some robust IM conversation :-)

    • @Steve: Don’t worry…my guys end up on some of our teams so he eventually takes them on as our guys. He liked Pence and Altuve too. Murphy was foisted onto him.

  58. Shake N Bacon says:
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    Rudy you are the man! I used the SON yesterday for my entry into the 150K contest at DraftKings and I got Shelby Miller for cheap. He went off for me and won me $600. A donation to razzball is forthcoming :)

  59. Greg says:
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    Last year the chart listed the factors that contributed to the pitchers score. I realize that listing projections and history in the same chart would be confusing, but can you add a tab or something that shows the data that you’re using for each pitcher? I like to be able to weight certain factors myself if it’s close.

    • Will consider it but I think it’ll be too messy. Each stat has different factors…

  60. CheapTrout says:
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    Will SON include in season developments as we go? I assume that Harvey’s dollar value for 4/18, -$7, would be higher if his three starts were factored in, despite park factor.

    • @CheapTrout: It will. I’ve got a few ‘enhancements’ to get out the door before I tackle ‘Rest of Season’ projections with my stat consigliere J Cross of Steamer. But once that’s in place, I’ll use that instead of preseason projections (rest of season factors in this year’s stats). But the reality is that even in September, this year’s stats probably only receive a weight around 33%. Every year there will be a handful of pitchers that have an unprecedented level of performance (last year, #1 has to be Medlen, right?). Right now, Harvey’s BB rate is about half his historical major/minor league BB rate. If he maintains 2 BB/9 while keeping the K-rate at 1 per inning, ACE. If he goes back to 4 BB/9, solid 2nd/3rd starter you need to pair with a WHIP friendly pitcher (Max Scherzer comes to mind as a comparison).

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        @Rudy Gamble: Nice. I see Harvey is bumped up to $13.70 for Strass 4/19 matchup. I am still pretty new around here, so thanks for the 101. Will plug in Bartolo v. AAAstros this week, something I probably wouldn’t have considered before.

        • @CheapTrout: The increase is because the game is at Citi Field. Home starts > Road Starts.

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          @CheapTrout: Took Capuano as a longer term option, being one of the Greinke owners. Higher in the Streamonator as well!

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              @Bah: Your input could have been valuable before Craponunow took the mound. Especially if you knew he had been injured in the brawl earlier in the week. But I think you know how it worked out, so why ask.

  61. Twist&Trout says:
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    SON is a little confusing. It suggests sitting Marrow today, at $3.4 I think, you feel this s right? I had always thought him above avg with injuries his yearly demise (& walk rate till last year), I have him in a 14 team league

    • morrow is an enigma. Went from great to ok with strikeouts. I’d start him in 14 though.

  62. Tom says:
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    Love SON so far. Any chance you could stick the opponents SP in the opponents column. Since W% is hardest to predict I figure maybe my gut looking at opponent pitcher will help. I think you already consider this in W% but a little extra info wouldn’t hurt.

    • @Tom: Added. Yes, the W formula is a simple regression formula using the pitcher’s projected ERA and the opposing pitcher’s projected ERA. This isn’t a ton of data to go on and, thus, the results are close to the mean (~36% for win % and loss %). Projected innings pitched proved detrimental to the projections. Bullpen ERA is a bitch to test and implement (and I doubt it adds much). I don’t have any other ideas at the moment but open to ideas….

  63. Sorryano Northsiders says:
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    Rudy, kudos on SON so far. I started Halladay in a 10×10 yahoo league with daily lineups and nailed it (well SON nailed it). I was “razzed” for this start but it paid off handsomely! Thanks for the hard work!

    • people ‘razzed’ you for starting Halladay against the Marlins? crazy.

  64. Goose says:
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    Rudy –

    FYI, JoFer @CIN on 4/18 not showing up… And also looks like he’ll be going up against Cingrani (not Cueto). This should be quite a match-up.

    Question: How does SON valuate recent call-ups? I.e., do your preseason projections include projections for minor leaguers who then get the call? Seems like there’s huge variance in these preseason projs as compared to what these call-ups do in-year. Is SON, then, even less “reliable” for recent call-ups (usual caveats apply) than for SPs with more big league starts?

    And thus, related, would (in this case) Cingrani’s SON-rating be a marked up-tick for Fernandez’s “opposing pitcher” factor?

    In other other words, with Cingrani at home but just called up and Fernandez two studly starts in + on the road + in a hitter’s park – will be interesting to see (a) who is rated higher (guessing: Cingrani…), and (b) will both be rated highly/start-worthy?

    SON is fun!

    • @Goose: JFer/Cingrani start now included. I provided Steamer a pre-season list of all starters I thought would get any playing time this year. Cingrani and Jose Fernandez were both on the list so I have projections for them. The only guy so far who was unprojected was Phil Irwin on PIT. It’s likely that the first start or two for a non-projected pitcher won’t appear on Stream-o-nator.

      You can see the list of pre-season projected pitchers along with their stats @ http://razzball.com/steamer-pitcher-projections-2013/.

      Considering both are rookies, their projection look better than I would’ve expected from Steamer. Cingrani definitely gets the advantage because he has a weaker lineup to contend with…

  65. Frank Grimes says:
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    How far ahead (date-wise) are you expecting for the SON? For weekly leagues trying to get a jump on the two starters for the following week match-ups. Keep up the much appreciated hard work.

  66. Eric says:
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    Great work here – thoughts on Doubront today? The $10 value makes him look intriguing, and we use K/9 in our league, but I’m a little worried.

    • @Eric: Seems fine to me and SON. No road start is ‘easy’ but the Indians (Reynolds, Stubbs) certainly provide an opportunity to excel in K/9.

  67. Steve says:
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    Nolasco vs Detwiler 4/17. Nolasco is bad and pitches for a bad team vs a really good team. Detwiler is good (except for K’s) and gets to pitch against the Marlins. How is Nolasco rated the better start? I’m streaming Detwiler!

    • @Steve: I agree with you on this one. I like Detwiler more than Nolasco. I know Hitter-tron (still in the shop) loves Stanton and he might be propping up Detwiler’s ERA/WHIP. I think projection systems (Steamer included) overrate Nolasco a bit as well.

      • Steve says:
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        @Rudy Gamble: Well, ok then! Thanks for the reply. Keep up the good work on this tool!

  68. Tom says:
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    No Westbrook (or any stl pitcher) for 4/21?

    • @Tom: I guess it wasn’t announced yet. I rely on feeds for the SP data.

      • Tom says:
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        @Rudy Gamble: Given how good SON is I am sorry to even send a note about it. Do you want to know when pitchers are missing.

        • @Tom: how about only when it’s today or tomorrow’s game?

  69. Heraldo says:
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    I understand $8 is an ‘average’ start, but what is the “value” of a Dollar ($)?
    Or to ask another way, what is a QS worth? What is a W worth? What is a single K worth?
    I know that the Stream-o-nator incorporates fractional values of all of these factors, but the results are basically in a different language than the Dollar Values. Can you translate between a line of 6IP, 2 K’s and $’s and back again? (Theoretically, there would be several solutions for ‘$ = Line’, but you get the idea)

    The reason I ask is two-fold:
    1. Allows for some customization based on league size,
    but more importantly:
    2. The ability to evaluate streams/selections after the fact and know I got my money’s worth.

    Because if I select $8 stream and he throws a line of 6 IP, 2 ER, 5 K’s, 7 Hits, 2 BB’s that means absolutely nothing to me. But if I know the value of each K and how each ER affects the outing, I’ll have a much better idea of how my pitcher performed in comparison to the Stream-o-Nator projection. And if his outing was more or less valuable than anticipated.

    And side effect, it will be fun to discuss how “So-and-so’s” strikeout that innings added $0.50 of value to his start and that his start is $2 more valuable than the Stream-o-nator predicted. And discuss how Pitcher A’s perfect game was more impressive than Pitcher B’s perfect game due to their respective Stream-o-nator’s dollar values.

    Thanks for doing all the amazing work you do, Rudy.

    • @Heraldo: Good news and bad news for you. Bad news is that there isn’t a simple way to convert a start into $. Wins and Ks are the easy part but then there’d be some formula combining ER, H, BB, and IP. i don’t think any formula that could be derived would be immediately appealing (might need a calc).

      The good news is that we’ll be adding game logs at some point that wil include $ for all Games Started.

      Thanks for the compliments!

  70. Eddy says:
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    Rudy,

    I can’t help but be very weary of the SON right now. Let’s take 4/16. Ubaldo and McCarthy were bordering on average starters in the SON. I wouldn’t have touched either because of their recent struggles, but shouldn’t the SON be taking that into consideration?

    So far I’m seeing the SON as a suggestion and find it hard to trust anyone below $12 at the moment, where as last season I went all in and very rarely got burned. Do more tweaks have to be made? Or is it a case of just patiently waiting for starters to get more games under their belt?

    • @Eddy: I hear you. Got burned so far with Volquez at home vs. COL and Capuano last night. On the latter, I’m pissed I didn’t listen to the voice in my head saying “He’s been out of the bullpen this year – best case is 5 IP”.

      Predicting a single game performance is difficult. Easy analogy is streaming = gambling. I do think that Streamonator adds a slight house ‘edge’ vs. a fantasy baseballer picking games based on ‘gut’ (even if one looks through all the available stats, it’s still ‘gut’ unless you’re actually quantifying everything). Over the course of the season, I think Streamonator would beat the vast majority of fantasy baseballer picks.

      But, even then, I think you’re ending up with modest gains (e.g., getting around $8 for 50 starts averaging $8).

      I don’t think that SON will get significantly ‘more’ accurate as the season goes on. It could be that some ‘bad’ projection outliers (as in, do much worse than projected) get funneled out because of injury and incompetence.

      So have faith….but not too much faith…. :)

  71. Charles says:
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    Any consideration of the handedness of the SP? Most years there are a few teams with noticeable differences between their performances (i.e. OPS) against RHP and LHP.

    • @Charles: Not yet but it’s on the roadmap to do. Taking handedness of pitcher into account for Hitter-tron work (inc. for HR park factors).

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        @Rudy Gamble: Boy am I looking forward to hitter-tron. Any chance it’ll factor in the impact of pitchers/catchers on SB activity?

        • @Charles: It will take into account the pitcher’s past SB rates (and regress to league norms). I’m not taking catcher into account – tougher variable since it also requires figuring out who the starting catcher will be. Maybe can make an adjustment if a certain pitcher went to a different team and has a much better/worse catcher. For pitchers where there isn’t back data, I’m using league averages per pitching hand (less SBs vs lefties vs. righties).

  72. Doubting Thomas says:
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    SON says Aceves is a $10 starter today. Do you believe it, or is it an artifact of Aceves being primarily a relief pitcher with (I assume) a lower ERA/WHIP than he would have as a starter?

    • @Doubting Thomas: Good question. I had him estimated as a long reliever this year (32 G, 65 IP) so it’s probable that the Steamer-based ERA/WHIP/K-rate are better than if he was a starter. That said, the projections (http://razzball.com/steamer-pitcher-projections-2013/) for Aceves as a reliever weren’t so great (e.g,. 1.35 WHIP). So I think some caution on Aceves is warranted but hard to say how much. I’d say better safe than sorry and not stream him…

  73. Michael says:
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    I love this stream o nator first off. Question about QS. What is a good percentage for QS would you say is good to go pick up off the waiver wire if that is what you are looking for? Appreciate an answer.

    I listen to your podcast always and love the site, keep up the great work.

    Michael

    • Thanks for the compliments! I don’t play in any QS leagues so I don’t know what threshold I’d place on it. I’d focus more on the ERA/WHIP/K stats and use IP as a tie-breaker (the higher the IP projection, the greater the chance they make it through 6 IP).

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        @Rudy Gamble:

        Thanks Rudy. What brought up this question, I am looking to pickup Tony Cingrani for his start vs the Marlins tomorrow. The stream o nator gives him a 58% of getting a QS. Of course, I think it is a matchup vs a weak team, but not just sure how good 58% is? For instance, Bartolo Colon had a 70% of getting a QS today vs Astros. I def think both are great matchups, but I am just trying to figure out the difference between 70-58%. If I am looking to pick up a SP with QS in mind, please help me figure out what the bottom percentage I should look at. Please give me more information on this. Thanks.

        Michael

        • @Michael: For pitchers w/o MLB track records, I start with 5.75 IP/GS. For those with track records, I’m using last years IP/GS. I then adjust the IP based on projected baserunners (WHIP). So, ERA/WHIP equal, the QS formula would consider Colon a better bet because the IP average tells it he’ll face more batters.

          If I was in a QS league, I probably wouldn’t worry a ton on the QS projection….so I wouldn’t penalize Cingrani in this case vis-a-vis Colon…

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            @Rudy Gamble:

            Thanks Rudy. So this QS Projection might be more useful for SP with more of a MLB Track Record. Thank you for your quick response, appreciate it. I enjoy all the articles, reading, stats, and podcasts via your site.

            Michael

            • every projection is more reliable with pitcher’s with longer track record. but younger pitchers tend to have stricter pitch counts + are less efficient in their pitchers per batter.

  74. Kevin says:
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    Many thanks for this great tool!
    Just a question on the data feed that you get for probables….Do you get this daily and the SON gets updated daily based on that info you receive and plug in to your system?

    • @Kevin: Yup. I import the probables into the SON engine, it looks at the opposing team’s offense and throws out guys on the DL, and then it generates the results.

  75. Mike says:
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    Hey Rudy, any idea why Burnett’s 4/22 start @ Phi vs. Lannan is a -$0.3? He’s coming off a near no hitter vs a much stronger St. Louis lineup and leading the NL in K’s. I can understand why in that park it’s not a great start but negative? Lannan’s -$4.9 on the other side of that matchup.

    • @Mike: SON ignores the last start as that didn’t prove helpful in predicting future performance (see Masterson’s start yesterday….Westbrook’s rainout start…Zito’s last start). I admit that I’d take the ‘over’ on this projection of Burnett’s start. But I do think that Burnett’s resurgence as a Pirate has been aided by having 1/2 his starts at PNC….

  76. Shake N Bacon says:
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    SON doesn’t really like Samardzija does it? It originally had Villanueva as a higher dollar value against Texas as Samardzija. Obviously that game got postponed so now Samardzija goes against Milwaukee, but from what I remember I think his dollar value took an even bigger hit going against the Brewers in Milwaukee. Any idea why Samardzija gets no love?

    • @Shake N Bacon: Samardzija has two less than desirable road starts @CIN and @MIL (both are hitter parks) this week. Looking at his pre-season Steamer projection (http://razzball.com/steamer-pitcher-projections-2013/), the only ‘mark’ I see is an expected regression in his BB rate vs. last year (from ~3 BB/9 to 4 BB/9). This increases his WHIP projections.

      I think Samardzija will remain a strong K guy who is just okay for W/ERA/WHIP. Ks are the most reliable of the 4 stats so I agree with the general bias of Razzballers to bet on these guys vs. the Lohses of the world. But SON is going to hedge that bet.

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        @Rudy Gamble: Cool, that makes sense. I can see where he Win potential isn’t so great, given their offensive woes and unreliable bullpen to date. His ERA and WHIP are definitely not his strongest suits. I feel a little wierd sitting him as he’s my 2nd best pitcher on my team. But with an innings cap in my league, I should probably take notice of SON’s unfavorable view on him against Milwaukee and Cinci.

        After seeing Milwaukee put up 7 runs on Cain today, I can see their lineup being a little better now than it had been to start the season.

        Thanks for the response.

        And yes, I am the jerkoff who won my office NCAA March Madness bracket tournament this year and came in 1st and 2nd in last week’s Play with Rudy…and Nick draftkings contest :) I’ve got two lineups again this week. Bring it on!

        • @Shake N Bacon: Ha, i meant jerkoff in the most respectful context. Great job! I think Milwauee’s lineup – sans Aramis and Corey Hart – is probably average. But it’s a good hitting park too. I’d definitely sit anyone except aces @CIN or maybe solid lefties (to neutralize Choo,Votto,Bruce).

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            @Rudy Gamble: Oh I thought it was funny, especially because everyone in my office thinks I am the jerkoff who keeps winning the office fantasy leagues. Thanks.

            Yeah I’m sitting Jo-Fer today against the Reds too. That lineup in that ball park is dangerous. Once Votto stops taking walks and decides to swing the bat, they’ll be real dangerous.

            I’m excited to see what Cingrani does tonight. SON really likes him.

    • @Shake N Bacon: Re: Villanueva, I think his ERA/WHIP projections might be a bit low because he was marked as a swingman so he benefits from having some relief innings.

  77. huge caulk says:
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    Any gut feeling on these streamers: 12 team H2H 6×6 K, ERA, WHIP, K, QS, K/9,

    Ian Kennedy@COL
    Wei Yen Chen VS LAD
    Kuroda@TOR

    • @huge caulk: No way on Kennedy @COL (benching him in the one league we have him). I agree with SON that I like Kuroda @TOR a little more than Chen @ LAD. Both are marginal starts though. Note that Kuroda’s start assumes Bautista in the lineup (since he’s not on the DL).

  78. dzigga says:
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    Rudy, I love the work you’ve done here!

    Are you using trailing 5 or 10 game performance as a factor or intending to? In Tango’s Book he tackled 4 game hot/cold streaks and it looks like there was an effect on ERA of around 0.3, with the persistence of hotness being somewhat stronger than coldness.

    That’s making me doubtful on Gavin Floyd tomorrow against MIN. Also his terrible splits against lefties and the fact that MIN has some good ones of those. Are righty/lefty matchups already accounted for? Wandy against the Braves tonight is another one where platoons make me nervous — Heyward and Francisco are their only lefty hitters.

    • @dzigga: Thanks! Nope, not using any recent performance in the equation. I tested it with 2012 stats and it had zero-to-minor impact. I think the biggest challenge with it is that you also need to factor in the opposing offense, park, etc.. Having a 2.00 ERA in the last 3 starts is great but if it’s @COL, @CIN, and @ARI, it is tremendous and vice versa with pitcher-friendly parks and opponents.

      I take recent performance into some subjective consideration – with the biggest consideration being whether there is something fundamentally different with the player vs. pre-season assumptions. For instance, if a pitcher is throwing his FB a few MPH slower than expected, he might be hiding an injury or, if not, portending worse performance.

      If a guy is playing above projected skills (say, Matt Harvey and his improved control), I probably consider the start a little more attractive. And, of course, I have certain pitchers I just disagree with Steamer on (Haren is #1) and that I just steer clear of.

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        @Rudy Gamble:

        hi rudy, would you mind expanding on why you dislike haren & when it is you feel bold enough to go against steamer? I am somewhat new to FBB (this is my second year), so I find myself going with steamer as much as possible because, I figure, how could I possibly take things into account as accurately as a finely-tuned projection system does? I don’t want to be one of those old codgers jonah hill scoffed at! I am also not very familiar with their underlying methodology, so if there is some shortcoming in their system, I wouldn’t really know where to be looking. I’m guessing with guys like haren and halladay they over-value historical performance? would love to hear your thoughts on this.

        also, the tool is spectacular this year. thanks for all the hard work you’ve put in. anyone saying it’s worse than last year is psychotic.

        • @Drew: Thanks Drew. I don’t think theres a ‘shortcoming’ in the system but no projection system is perfect either. I think everyone has certain ‘player types’ that they tend to avoid. For pitchers, I avoid guys with declining FB rates (particularly getting below 90) whose past success doesn’t look sustainable. With Haren, I called him out last year because his 2011 success was very dependent on his cut fastball – i didn’t think he could spare any velocity loss and maintain that cut fastball success (and even with that, it was due for regression). That’s what happened in 2012. We also got BURNED by Lincecum last year who fits this type. Jered Weaver is another one. Don’t have any of those three on any teams..

  79. Hotrod says:
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    Does anybody else think the tool sucks compare to last year?

    • Bah says:
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      @Hotrod:

      The issue I have is that any of the possible streaming options in my league (meaning not 90%+ owned) are all like <$10 on the scale – meaning I shouldn't do it. Best option available is currently Joe Blanton, who holds an 0-3 record with an 8.00+ ERA and 2.00+ WHIP – does not seem like a good spot start just on those alone. Yuck

  80. Ed says:
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    One I don’t get:

    Hiroki Kuroda NYA TOR 4/25 MBuehrle 0.70 0.40 0.33 6.7 6.4 3.0 5.1 1.7 4.06 1.21 $10.6 95

    Hiroki Kuroda NYA at TOR 4/20 MBuehrle 0.69 0.37 0.36 6.7 7.1 3.2 5.1 1.7 4.36 1.32 $5.4 95

    Both starts Kuroda vs. TOR & Buehrle. I assume Kuroda gets higher W% b/c at home of home field advantage. But why does it project so many fewer hits at Yankee Stadium? Yankee Stadium park factor as far as I can tell is more favorable for hits. Is THAT also home field advantage? And if so, how do you project home field advantage as it affects hits allowed?

    • @Ed: On average, pitchers’ ERA/WHIP is 2% better at home vs average and 2% worse on the road. So a 4.00/1.20 pitcher becomes 3.92/1.176 at home and 4.08/1.224 on the road. And Yankee Stadium is kind for LH HRs but it is generally below avg for BABIP. Toronto is at least around league average (turf should help).

  81. Mariner Mike says:
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    corbin and quintana or hamells and estrada

  82. Mariner Mike says:
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    hammels and estrada or corbin and quintana what two would you go for?

  83. dzigga says:
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    Any idea what the SON thinks of Allen Webster tonight against the Royals?

    Also looks like Correia got pushed back a day, now starting against the Marlins tomorrow instead of the White Sox today – how big of a swing in $ value is that?

    • @dzigga: I don’t have any projections on Webster so had no opinion on that start. Correia’s value will definitely increase with that switch. Maybe up to a couple of dollars? With his pathetic K-rate, he’s got little upside.

  84. Huge Caulk says:
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    So based on SON, we are sitting Griffen and Masterson tomorrow?H2H 12 teamer. Think either is droppable for Jarrod Parker?

    • @Huge Caulk: I don’t like either start particularly but starting Masterson in some weekly leagues b/c he has a 2nd start later in the week. I would not drop Masterson for Parker. Parker vs. Griffin is more of a tossup.

  85. Matt says:
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    You like Holland and Ogando at MIN better than at LAA?

    • @Matt: According to the run factor data I have, Angel Stadium indexes significantly lower than Target Field (Target Field is about average). LAA has a better offense than MIN but not enough to compensate for the environment.

  86. Posted an update Sunday night that includes a tweak in adjusting Steamer pre-season ERA/WHIP projections to park-neutral. J Cross at Steamer helped provide the correct factors (I had been using factors from another source).

    This only impacts ERA/WHIP projections.

    And, yeah, I’m not really sure why SON likes Blanton more than his own momma does….

  87. Aaron says:
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    Thoughts on Blanton in a 12 team league @SEA? SON loves him

    • @Aaron: I”m less bullish on Blanton. His K/BB was very good last year and the Angels have a strong OF defense. I think this is a solid streaming opp though not one I’ll be doing….

  88. CheapTrout says:
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    Somehow I’m just not feeling it for Blanton at $18 and $16.

  89. CheapTrout says:
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    Somehow I’m just not feeling it for Blanton at $18 and $16.

      • Bah says:
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        @Rudy Gamble:

        Does the ‘old model’ come out with similar projections? I’d be curious to see how that looked at the same time.

        • @Bah: The old model just provided a ‘score’ tied to FIP. Didn’t reflect Wins or K’s. So it wasn’t a fully comparable measure. Plus, I was leveraging in-season FIP because it was midseason. Not possible in April.

  90. GR says:
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    And what about Blanton today vs Texas? Really? Convince me…please

    • @GR: Nope…not convincing anyone on Blanton. The game is @ Home, though, and the Rangers aren’t nearly as tough an offense on the road. Like w/ a lot of starters (Rangers Derek Holland is another example), comes down to HR prevention and a fair BABIP.

  91. Chris J. says:
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    Where does Jonathon Pettibone land in these rankings? Rookie starting for the Phillies tonight vs. Pitt…My guess pretty damn good. These young guys seem to start off fairly hot because there is no book.

    • I don’t projections for him yet into SON (Steamer is going to provide a big list of minor league starters – vetted by our prospect guy Scott Evans – so it can better handle these unprojected starters).

      No go for me on Pettibone except in NL-only leagues. Hasn’t shown K-skill or low BB-rate in the minors.

      • Chris J. says:
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        @Rudy Gamble: If that’s the case, and I don’t disagree, then I’m left with Blanton, Peacock, Leake, and Doubront left to choose from. I have a hard time choosing Blanton looking at his starts this year. Peacok getting the w is a long shoot. Looks like I’ll grab Doubront unless you strongly suggest otherwise. Newbie here but I’m a big fan of what you’re doing. Appreciate it!

  92. Bob says:
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    The comments on the same page as the streamonator is giving me headaches trying to scroll through it, and it’s only April. Motion to keep comments on separate page from the tool.

    Love you guys, though.

    • @Bob: I hear ya on comments. We’re looking into ways to perhaps clear the comments every couple of weeks.

  93. Catatatrout says:
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    Matt Moore v. NYY and AJ Burnett v. Phillies – start both?

  94. Robert norton says:
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    Would you start – Matt Moore v. NYY and AJ Burnett v. Phillies – start both?

    • @Robert norton: Just like SON, I like the Moore start way better. Burnett is a borderline start that I’d avoid in leagues with IP or GS limits.

  95. Cleric says:
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    Why the heck is Joe Blanton #15 on this thing right now? I had started to use this last week and hope to in the future, but something is very wrong here. Blanton has been terrible, yet this thing places both his starts this week in the top 20. Ryan Dempster V.S. the Astros is about 50 spots down and THAT’S who I will be going with. Is this thing broken?

    • @Cleric: I just went step-by-step in reviewing the Blanton vs. Tex and Dempster vs. Houston starts and verified the ERA/WHIP calculations.

      These are the driving factors:
      - Blanton has better control than Dempster (< 2 BB/9 vs. ~3 BB/9). That, combined with having a good defense behind him (otherwordly CF/LF), are driving Steamer’s baseline of 3.94/1.22 for Blanton. Dempster’s 4.19/1.34 is also impacted by playing home games at Fenway (which Steamer sees as pro-offense whereas it sees Angel Stadium as neutral).

      - Texas is a better offensive team than Houston no matter the ballpark. But it’s not AS great as people think because the Ranger offense (like Rockies) benefits from playing in one of the top offensive parks.

      - The 3-year park factors I have note Angel Stadium as particularly pitcher-friendly. Over the past 3-years, only the Mariners and Giants have a bigger difference in Run differential between Away Games and Home Games. The three worst are Colorado (by far), Boston, and Texas. Net-net, Blanton gets a lot of benefit on ERA/WHIP for his home games while Dempster is penalized.

      Hope that provides some guidance. It doesn’t mean I’m super-bullish on Blanton but I do think that, in general, fantasy baseballers put disproportionate weight on the opponent vs. the stadium and on K-rates vs. BB-rates (which drive WHIP).

      • Cleric says:
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        @Rudy Gamble: Rudy, Thanks for your thoughtful response. It was very helpful. I however will be steering clear of Blanton because I think a weakness of the Stream-o-nater could be that it does not factor in a pitcher’s recent performance. I’m a guy who likes to look at the last 3 games. I think Dempster is on a roll and Houston hates to walk, so I’m not worried about free passes. Perhaps it’s just seeing Blanton get rocked in April, but I just can’t pull the trigger on that. I will be back when the results are in. Your response is very helpful and it has kept me coming back. Going Dempseter Diving, be back soon.

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        @Rudy Gamble: Ok Rudy, so far 50% of my prediction has come to fruition: Blanton: 6 IP, 12 H, 4 ER, 1 BB. His WHIP was 2.08. That’s not servicable in any format. See what I mean about a pitchers recent performances? He was right on track with his past 3 games.

        Now, we will have to watch Dempster on Friday to see if the other 50% of my prediction comes to fruition.

        • @Cleric: How did Holland’s last 3 starts help predict his start last night? :)

          I tested ‘Last 30 day FIP’ against all 2012 starts where the starter pitched 10+IP in the past 30 days. This amounted to about 4000 Games Started.

          It correlated at 4.4% against their next start’s ERA. To give some perspective, this correlated lower than: Projected ERA/FIP (incorporating in-season ERA/FIP as the season goes on) is at 10.72% and a Home/Away ERA factor, Park Run Factor, and Opponent Offense’s OBP factor all had higher correlations.

          When I did a test seeing how well Projected ERA/FIP and Last 30 Day FIP predicted a start’s ERA, it came out to 10.73%.

          In a nutshell, recent FIP tells us absolutely nothing that a pitcher’s projected ERA tells us.

          Of course, pitchers go on streaks. And, in the case of Blanton, he clearly is pitching far below projections. I do look at recent starts to get a gauge on whether a guy is healthy. I”m not sure what’s up with Blanton but I clearly would want nothing to do with him for now.

          But if Dempster has a good start at home, all it proves is that there are 2 isolated instances where recent performance helped predict future performance. I have 4000 instances from last year that tells me it shouldn’t be a factor.

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            @Rudy Gamble: Ah, very interesting info. Thanks man. Appreciate it. Yes, I did not mean to make a blanket statement that a pitcher’s last 3 starts WOULD predict their next start, but just that it should be considered and, in some cases, give clues to potentially good starts. You have to also factor in tools like the Stream-o-Nater, how hot the opposing team has been over the past week, and the ballpark among other things. Holland’s start really didn’t surprise me because he tends to have excellent starts and then meltdowns IMO. So, since he was pitching against the Angels, he was too big of a risk to be on my radar. I am however considering him for his next start against the Twins. If Dempster pans out, I will be back next week to play this game again. If not, I will submit to your unmatched research skills. Thanks for the interaction!

          • Cleric says:
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            @Rudy Gamble: Hey Rudy, sorry I am so late getting back to you to prove my point, but my Blanton/Dempster prediction turned out to be 100% true. Dempster tossed a quality start, with 10 strikeouts, AND a WIN!

            • @Cleric: I grant you that perhaps Dempster should have been ranked higher and that could be b/c of a number of factors (overrating offense in Fenway, Astros projections too high, Dempster’s projections too low).

              But it is not because ‘he was on a roll’.

              Andy Pettitte had been pitching well and then got thrashed by the same Astros.

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                @Rudy Gamble: That’s true. I would have recomended starting Pettitte, but luckly he was mostly owned. But, this week I would like to focus on Kyle Kendrick’s low rating for his start against MIA. There has got to be a way you can tweak SON manually to raise these “under the radar” guys who will have big starts. Like dempster last week, I predict Kendrick this week based on his past 3 games and opponent. Lets see if I can make it 2 in a row. I would pick on Blanton’s rating again, but everyone else already is. That would be a good manual tweak guy too.

                • @Cleric: I just re-ran to take Stanton on DL into account. What is a big start by Kendrick? The average start is a little more than 5 Ks (so ~150 Ks in 30 GS). Kendrick is averaging 5 during his ‘hot’ streak. He’s a bad K-guy historically that MAYBE has found a way to up his K/9 a little. I’ve got him at a 3.68/1.24 ERA/WHIP. which is better than average and what is generally driving his value at > $0. I feel he’s valued correctly.

                  There’s a % owned column to quickly identify available guys with solid matchups. There’s no other ‘raising’ to be done.

                  Blanton will get addressed when we move to ‘Rest of Season’ projections that take April into account. It still probably won’t regress him enough if April is indicative of his full season. I’m not going to make any subjective tweaks.

  96. More background on how Angel Stadium seems to be a pitcher’s haven:

    ERA/WHIP – #1
    Pitcher #1: 2.66 / 1.06
    Pitcher #2: 3.72 / 1.21

    ERA/WHIP – #2
    Pitcher #1 – 3.82 / 1.23
    Pitcher #2 – 4.93 / 1.39

    The above are career home/road splits for Jered Weaver (pitcher #1) and Ervin Santana (pitcher #2). These splits are much higher than the average SP’s home/road split.

  97. Dear StreamONator says:
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    Thank you for saving me from myself. You advised Griffin as a $-5.2 …

    Griffin: 84 PC, 4 INN, 8 HA, BBI, 3 K, 7 ER, 15.750 ERA, 2.250 WHIP, L

  98. Tehol Beddict says:
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    omg this shit is KRAY!!! wait it says my boy detwiler is a -3 today againt Saint Looouay????? said the same about masterson and he got it done . i wonder if she push the limits or trust in the stream-0-nator. he is due to get shelled and somehow that lineup of nobodies looks like murderers row whenever i go against them.

    • @Tehol Beddict: Is this the same Detwiler who managed a 5.75 K/9 and 2.85 BB/9 last year? And currently sports a 4.95 K/9? I streamed him against Houston but wouldn’t want him against STL.

      Masterson is a different story. I like his K-rate and GB-rate. Gets into trouble with his lack of control and he gets hit hard by LHP. We have him in 15-team leagues but he’s a dangerous play in 12-team during road starts (his career Home/Road splits are 3.32/4.93 and 1.26/1.51. Last night’s start was okay but his FIP was 5.59. Saved by a .176 BABIP.

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      @Tehol Beddict: St. Louis a lineup of nobodies? Interesting…

  99. Juice_0321 says:
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    Sorry for the N00B Question for the SON. What numbers signify warranting a start?

    • @Juice_0321: $8 is about the average start in 12-team leagues. You’d want a little higher (~$10) for 10-team leagues and less for deeper leagues.

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        @Rudy Gamble: Can you help me understand the $-dollar value? I see that you have Ervin Santana today as a negative when he has been pretty nasty early on. Can you please help me understand this valuation for future consideration?

        • @Juice_0321: Negative $ value means that the start would generally hurt a team in a 12-team mixed-league. The negative impact of the ERA/WHIP are worse than the K benefits and chances of a win. Ervin has been good so far this year and the projections aren’t taking that into account. He’s also been pretty atrocious in recent years. No reason to start him @BAL.

          Since the projection may be gone when you read this, how’s this for SON…

          Real boxscore: 6 IP, 3 ER (4.50 ERA), 8 baserunners (1.33 WHIP), 4 Ks,
          Prediction: 6 IP, 3.1 ER (4.71 ERA), 8.6 baserunners (1.43 WHIP), 4.2 Ks

  100. Revenge of the NNNEEERRRRDDDDDSSSS says:
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    Any chance you can always include the next 7-8 days of starts not just starts for a typical Monday-Sunday week? Essentially, for my league, each SP needs to be rostered for one week – but not confined to the typical Monday-Sunday week – just a rolling seven days. I could essentially stream two starts at a time if I have good information to pull it off with confidence (read: Razzball). Thus, my interest in the next week of starts updated daily.

    Not sure if your software/monkeys in the lab can produce that. A cool improvement if Corporate approves the request, though. Thanks.

    • @Revenge of the NNNEEERRRRDDDDDSSSS: It’s set up as you described. It has up to 7 days worth of stats from the day I update it. So I updated this morning and it has starts from today (4/24) through Tuesday (4/30).

  101. Buge Hoobs says:
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    Rudy,
    Quick question about the SON …
    Without filtering by date (just leaving it blank) would the $ values be the ROS value ?

    • @Buge Hoobs: Nope. These values are specific to the opponents + locations listed. ROS values will be coming at some point though…

  102. B.o.B says:
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    What about Quintana at home today vs Cle in a 10 team H2H league?

  103. slider inside says:
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    Rudy, will SON be using preseason projections for the entire season….. or will recent starts be taken into account later in the season once ’13 stats become more significant??

    Thanks for the amazing product by the way.

    • Will be moving to ROS projections in a few weeks.

  104. B. Inge Drinking says:
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    I hope the Stream-O-Nator enjoys it’s 3-ways with Andrew Cashner & Joe Blanton. SON says, “I love you Andrew Cashner with all my heart. You’re always a $17 pitcher in my eyes.”

    • @B. Inge Drinking: Touche on Blanton. As noted in earlier comments, Blanton seems ‘off’ compared to last year + pre-season projections. I think his $ values will get toned down in coming weeks once I integrate 2013 results and likely tone down park impact (LAA and SEA have pretty dramatic park effects).

      As for Cashner, well, SON loves Petco. I think my 2012 testing had Volquez worth about $15 in home starts and negative (on average) outside of Petco. Check out his home/road splits from 2012 and that doesn’t sound far off… (I had Volquez starting yesterday in my 15-team NFBC)

      • B. Inge Drinking says:
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        @Rudy Gamble: I’m not dogging the SON, but just poking fun at the few anomalies that catch my eye. This tool is one of the most innovated aids for fantasy. I tried Marquis at PETCO out and got burned fairly bad and shied away from Volquez’s start.

        I think the paradigm of PETCO being the ultimate pitcher-friendly park will have to be reviewed. The ballpark is #10 in home runs per game at 2.11. That’s higher than the NL league average of 1.89 and quite a spike from the ballpark’s 2012 average of 1.35. I’ll be curious to see if that 2.11 dips with more games played or stays constant.

  105. B.o.B says:
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    What $ amount does Anibal have at home vs Atl on Friday?

  106. Aaron says:
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    Vargas is an interesting choice @SEA this Sunday– obviously he pitched well there the past couple of years. Thoughts on going with Vargas despite his shaky start to the season?

    • @Aaron: SON has him at $9.9. I’m generally shying away from guys who’ve been pelted in 2013. Vargas, Blanton, Clayton Richard are three.

  107. dr koko says:
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    hi there,
    does SON self-evaluate? ie. how much better than chance is SON? especially at the 2 extrema (high $$, low $$), and does it perform close to chance in the middle of the curve? just curious. pretty handy though! go Razzball.
    dr koko

    • @dr koko: The SON estimates were based on testing of all 2012 games started. I’ll start testing it on 2013 results in a few weeks. ‘Chance’ is a very low bar. I think they do better than consensus ‘educated guess’ but I have no pretense that they are incredibly predictive. I wouldn’t think that there would be significant accuracy differences between high, low, and middle.

  108. Huge Caulk says:
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    I can only start 3 the rest of the weekend due to my over anxious streaming so far this week…

    Medlen, Wei Yen Chen, Masterson, Marcum, Cingrani

    This is a H2H 12 team league with QS, K, ERA, WHIP, SV, AND K/9.

    Based on SON, I should use Cingrani, Marcum, and Chen…

    Definitely leery of Marcum with the unknown first start post injury…he may get pulled early regardless costing me the QS. His k rate nothing to write home about…but I love the matchup at CITI against weak hitting Phillies.

    Chen has been very good this year against tough hitting squads on the road…the A’s are 2nd in OPS. BUT CHEN DOESN’T GET K”s which hurts me in 2 categories…game is at OAK in the heavy marine air that filters in every nite.

    As good as Chen has been, In 2 starts Cingrani has vastly outperformed him based on my player rater due to the K’s… WAS is 14 in OPS this year but may be starting to come around. WAS park favors hitters too. Plus can you really trust him yet on the road?

    I read somewhere Masterson’s avg velocity has been up… his movement is filthy forvsure, seen him on tv twice. His K rate is pretty good now… But All the movement is causing some walks though. KC is a team that doesn’t strikeout and the game is in KC…

    Medlen has been solid but not spectacular due to low fairly K rate…but the tigers are not a juggernaut at the moment:16th in OPS. Until Vmart gets going RBI wise, they won’t reach their potential.

    After all that, I guess I am leaning Chen, Medlen, and Cingrani…but like Jo-Fer, can you really trust Cingrani yet in tougher match ups?

    Appreciate your thoughts…

    • CheapTrout says:
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      @Huge Caulk: Great call on Marcum. Definitely rusty and struggled through 4 IP.

    • @Huge Caulk: Looks like you made some good calls. SON doesn’t account for a guy coming off an extended break like Marcum. Then again, that didn’t impact Cashner. I think Marcum’s just a tough one to call.

      As for Cingrani, I benched him in a 14-team league @WAS. Didn’t love that matchup but I wonder if it would’ve looked better with some sort of RHP/LHP factor given 1) Zimmerman on DL, 2) Harper, LaRoche, and Span are lefties. He’s now a must-start except in bad away parks (@COL, borderline @ARI, @BOS).

  109. Swat290 says:
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    Hey Rudy, I’m having a hard time sitting Homer Bailey tonight (4/26). I know his propensity to be either spot on or terrible and that one of those games seems to be due, but at the same time he’s strung a few really good games together recently. I guess what I should ask is, which way does the value go for a 10 team league. Does his $5 ratting go up or down?

    Great work on this by the way. I’m what they call in the industry, math retarded, and I greatly appreciate the time and effort you put into this. For that matter I appreciate all the time and effort everyone here at razzball puts in. Top notch stuff that I probably don’t deserve lol.

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      @Swat290:
      I went with him and I’ll take what I got lol

    • @Swat290: Yeah, the Nats didn’t really put up much offense in that series. I’ll say this…when in doubt on starting a pitcher, side with guys with good K-rates. At least if the start goes sideways, you’ll get something (Masterson’s start this weekend as an example).

  110. Robert norton says:
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    Rudy, the SON doesn’t like Matt Moore. He is surely due to regress at some point but what do you think about his chances today? Team era currently sitting at 2.01 so can afford a rough start.

    Staff
    Felix
    Bumgarner
    Moore
    Burnett (sitting today)
    Cingrani
    R soriano
    M Rivera
    K Jansen
    J Veras

    Thanks again for all you do

  111. herco says:
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    Hey Rudy. I have to say after Cashner being so high rated (like 15 against SF) I was sure this thing was just not going to be real. But I did pick him up and said to myself, ‘do or die for this Razzball streamer’. Well, all I can say is thank you for this. If this tool is really that successful, next year you should start charging for it, or at least put something up that you could receive a donation for your work. I would donate myself if I could because I see how much work and effort you have put into this.

    A new recruit!

    • B. Inge Drinking says:
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      @herco: There already is a way to donate herco.

  112. Frank says:
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    Rudy and Razzy team……Thank you for putting forth a great deal of effort in producing Razzball and provideing us with extremely credible guidance, info and entertainment….also this Son O Nator is freaking Tits !

  113. Aaron says:
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    Okay, Rudy, you’ve talked me out of 2 streamers so far. I think I’ve found one I like… Chen @SEA. 12 team mix league. Yes?

  114. Pete says:
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    First off, great tool! I’m in a 12 team H2H points league that involves W, L, and QS’s in addition to the normal categories. I have Kershaw and Lohse who are both facing each other tonight. Obviously Kershaw is a no brainer. Lohse is a $2. 2 so is that a sit or start? We don’t have IP limits. Trying to figure out if a negative value is what means you should bench (assuming you already have the player and your league doesn’t have IP limits).

    • @Pete: In H2H, I’d start any guy even near $0. Even guys at $0 are near guarantees to help you in K’s and may get a Win. I suppose if you were close in ERA/WHIP, they’d be a greater risk.

  115. Dan says:
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    what’s up w/ Blanton at $18.7 for his next start against Bal on 5/2? can this be right?

    • CheapTrout says:
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      @Dan: It’s the Blant-O-Nator!

    • @Dan: I know…i know….Blanton has been the big anomaly of SON in April. Not SON’s fault as:
      1) Blanton had solid projections going into the year – notably solid K-rate and good WHIP.
      2) Home park is favorable to pitchers.
      3) Gets a start @SEA
      4) His CF/LF are sick defenders

      The reality is that Blanton isn’t fooling anyone. His K-rate is way off and contact rates in and out of the zone are up. And everything being hit seems to be finding holes (.381 BABIP). His BB-rate is up too – but hard to say if that’s related to him missing his spots or having to be extra-fine given his lack of hit-and-miss stuff.

      I wouldn’t be surprised if he turns things around – note how Vargas had a great start against SEA this weekend. But he’s completely unstartable in all formats until he shows some sign of competence.

  116. Hondo says:
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    Can’t wait to see what the SON is like when the 2013 results are incorporated.No more 5.7′s for Matt Harvey @ Miami I bet.

    Thanks for the hard work Rudy.

  117. paper bag on head (shame) says:
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    Pettibon v. Miami this week?

  118. CheapTrout says:
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    Sorry for the Blant-O-Nator crack above, I couldn’t resist. I picked up Quintana on Scott Evans’ s two-start recommendation for my 12 team H2H with K, QS and L in addition to the usual 5. I am not very familiar with Quintana and I see SON has him at -12.2 for tomorrow against Yu. Scott is soft on him v. Texas. Based on both sources, I lean towards benching him and waiting for start #2. Any thoughts?

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      @CheapTrout: That should have read “H, QS and L in addition to the usual 5″. Thanks.

    • @CheapTrout: No worries on Blant-O-Nator. That was a good one!

      Hell yeah, sit Quintana @TEX. That’s an awful place for pitchers. Quintana has been hot but I’m not touching that start at all. @KC is just mediocre but probably H2H worthy (barely).

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        @Rudy Gamble: I am sitting him for Texas. Do you think he is worth holding? My pitching is otherwise solid, and I have Greinke and Beachy on my DL for mid-season.

  119. goodfold2 says:
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    hey, rudy, grey told me to come over here to figure out just why a few days’ ago Kendrick start (1.4 i think) was so much lower than gee’s 10.4. It was in Metco and Kendrick I believe wasn’t valued well in his medium to great starts at cin and stl earlier. It seems something in his make-up is leading to him being undervalued thus far, or he’s just getting massively lucky.

    • @goodfold2:
      I think the primary factors are:
      1) Home starters have a 3-4% ERA/WHIP advantage (incorporated into ERA/WHIP game projections)
      2) Gee projected at better K-rates going into the year (a little less than one K per 9)

      SON does not factor in recent performance because – as stated earlier in the comments – it is not a predictor of future performance once pitcher skill is accounted for.

      And, yes, Kendrick is generally getting ‘lucky’. .257 BABIP and 85% strand rate are unsustainable. He’s still pitching pretty good for what he is but I see him as a marginal streaming candidate against bad teams.

  120. Ralph says:
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    Where is the Joe Blanton love coming from? He’s been brutal so far.

    • Scroll up in comments for Blanton explanation.

  121. Splendid Sphincter says:
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    Why is Jose Quintana listed as a “Buy” for the last two weeks, and then given a -$12.20 and -$5.60 rating in the stream-o-nator?

    • @Splendid Sphincter: SON doesn’t write the ‘buy/sell’. His grammar is awful and his sense of humor is much too perverse (see Blanton projections). Quintana has been hot of late but he’s got some bad matchups this week. I think @COL is the only fate worse than @TEX. I sat Quintana in my 11-team AL league this week FWIW….

  122. Splendid Sphincter says:
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    @Rudy – I just lol’d while giving a test to my class. They wanted to know what was up. I thought about explaining the “Stream-o-nator” but feared they’d confuse it for the “Wiz-o-nator” and I’d lose my job.

  123. Eddy says:
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    Hey Rudy, wondering if SON already knows that MIA is without Stanton. Gee’s dollar value looked a little low.

    • @Eddy: Just updated to account for Stanton on DL. Knocked Gee from $4 to $5. He’s still an average-to-below average K guy going on the road. Seems like a solid streaming candidate given what would seem to be limited downside.

  124. CheapTrout says:
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    SON nailed it on Quintana at Texas. Thanks, I sat him. Any thoughts on Q going forward? Hold? If so, where would you recommed starting/benching?

    • @CheapTrout: I think he’s just a streaming candidate outside AL-only and deep H2H. Unless there were deep benches, I’d drop him. (I may be in the minority opinion of Razzball writers)

  125. B.o.B says:
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    Why so high on Beckett today vs. Col? $17.4 seems high for a pitcher that’s been pretty bleh so far and against a good lineup. Is that $ amount w/o Tulo by chance?

    • @B.o.B: Steamer is high on Beckett this year – aided by moving to a weak division + good home park. Colorado’s offense is overrated because of their home park. Once park-adjusted, they have been one of the weaker offenses the past few years (they have the fewest Road runs over the past 3 years). SON only removes players on DL so this assumes Tulo playing.

      I agree, though, that this seems high given how Beckett is pitching. Looking at his stats to date, he’s giving up a ton of gopher balls. (2.37 per 9…nearly 3x projected). He gets that under control and he’ll be a plus. I’m starting him in all leagues I have him….

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        @Rudy Gamble: Thanks Rudabaga! So if he’s available in your league (10 team), would you pick up him for Griffin or Quintana?

        • @B.o.B: Neither. Would rather roll out a middle reliever while waiting for better streaming candidates.

  126. danny says:
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    Ouch….was gonna bench Estrada vs Pit but ended up trusting SON. Burned, lesson learned. Still appreciate SON though.

    • @danny: It was a solid matchup. Estrada has been disappointing of late.

  127. Scott Luke says:
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    Whoah there SON….Imma let you finish but Joe Blanton $19 on 5/2 vs BAL seems crackers….keep up the good work guys….SON has yet to steer me wrong this year

  128. Eddy says:
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    Thanks for answering the Stanton bit, Rudy.

    I have another question. Can’t help but notice that almost any pitcher is being touted against BAL. Maurer was the lowest at $7, which is a tick below average, but still enough to make someone consider him if they really needed it.

    The Orioles, however, are a top 8 team in AVG, OPS, OBP, HR and SLG. And oddly enough, they’re an even better team on the road, which is where a lot of the 4/30-5/6 recommendations are stemming from.

    Is there anything I’m missing here? BAL has become a no-stream team for me after getting burned the last two times.

    • @Eddy: Baltimore is playing @LAA and @SEA this week – both pitcher parks. Baltimore’s road stats to date are meaningless – small sample and may skew towards hitter parks. They got to Maurer early yesterday…but they also managed 2 runs the game before against Joe Saunders.

  129. EK says:
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    I see what SON says but who do you like better?
    Gee @ MIA or Phelps vs HOU?

    • EK says:
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      @EK: NVM I’m going with Gee..

      • @EK: I’d probably go with Gee but SON notes that: 1) Houston strikes out way more than Miami and 2) Phelps gets to pitch at home. Both are stream-worthy but Phelps has more downside IMO because of Yankee Stadium and the Astros have more power.

  130. Note: Made an update to SON today. Testing out an RHP/LHP split on opposing offense. Opposing offense factors (OBP factor for WHIP, wOBA factor for ERA) had been 100% pitcher-handedness neutral. Now at 50/50 with some adjustments to try to identify platoon players (e.g., don’t count Joyce for TB against LHPs). I will likely move this to 100% if it behaves over the next couple days.

    Impact varies per team but teams that currently have big RHP/LHP splits based on projections (not necessarily season to date are):

    Better vs. RHP than LHP – Minnesota, Philadelphia, Yanks, Cincinnati
    Better vs. LHP than RHP – Milwaukee, Angels, Braves, Colorado

    I imagine minor investigation would show that these teams’ best active hitters skew R or L (Holy c**p…do the Brewers even play a LH other than Aoki? And this is with two RH bats on the DL in Hart and Aramis…Masterson would piss himself in joy if he got to face them right now)

  131. Dani says:
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    Just a heads up there is no 5/1 showing on the SON

  132. Lt says:
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    Hey I don’t see Aaron Harang listed for today’s players? I see Chen in Seattle.

    • @Lt: I had accidentally had an ugly face filter and it caught Harang. FWIW, the start was at $8.6 (while Chen’s was at $13.2).

  133. Charles says:
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    Aside from Ks, Chen’s not doing me any favors tonight. I must start at least two of these (losses and K/9 (not K) are cats), but could start all; which would you start?

    Hamels v MIA – $24.0
    Ryu @ SF – $9.5
    Harvey @ ATL – $7.1
    Peavy @ TEX – $1.0
    Moore @ COL – ($5.3)

    And/or I could stream a guy like Vargas v BAL or Locke v WAS, but I doubt it’s worth it. I do have a solid lead in ERA, WHIP, K/9, and Losses, so I can afford to take a little risk to max out Wins.

    • @Charles: Agreed, Chen got me last night too. Assuming this is H2H, I’d start all of them. Moore brings some risk b/c it’s @COL but I’d roll the dice.

  134. Dani says:
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    I know you have explained why Blanton is loved so much – but that $17 looks pretty :)

    Stay away from him until he puts it together?

  135. supra says:
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    Man, that dollar amount is so sweet on a short sched day, where straight SP ranks mean nothing. Great work Rudy.

    I’m gonna roll with Haren @ ATL today since the Bravos have been scuffling at the plate for a week. Pairing him with Medlen, any strong objections?

    Also, is there a glossary term for having 2 SPs going in a day where you sit one… and you get 1 sonavabench and 1 with terrible stats?

  136. B.o.B says:
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    Just a suggestion…I think it would be nice to be able to filter the SON for more than just 1 date. I would like to see the SP going only today through Sunday (the last day of weekly matchups of course) and filter out the starters after that day. Something like putting in “5/2, 5/3, 5/4, 5/5″ or “5/2-5/5″. Is this a possible change?

    • @B.o.B: That might be possible…but easiest way is to just sort by date :)

  137. Dani says:
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    Peavy scratched, Santiago starting today

    • @Dani: I scratch when I feel Peavy. @TEX sucks to begin with….I wouldn’t start Santiago even if I was a nationalistic Chilean.

  138. paper bag on head (shame) says:
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    Pettibone v. Miami today?
    (Al Only)

      • @paper bag on head (shame): ha. i’ve got nothing on pettibone right now. can’t disprove the “anyone vs. MIA” theory right now.

        But for those who thought my $6 projection on Kendrick vs. MIA was too low, here’s the comparison of projected stats vs. actual. Not terribly different. Kendrick was lucky in the first couple innings to avoid giving up more runs which would’ve negated the win. SON values K’s more than the average streamer does sometimes (where Win chasing and ‘perceived chances of getting crushed’ have disproportionate sway) and it has Kendrick as a shitty K guy and Miami as a low K team…hence the lower $ value on Kendrick…

        Kendrick (projected 5/2): 5.9 IP, 3.74 ERA (2.5 ER), 1.21 WHIP (7.1 baserunners), 3.1 K, 1.8 BB, 40% chance of Win

        Kendrick (actual 5/2): 7 IP, 2.57 ERA (2 ER), 1.29 WHIP (9 baserunners), 5 K, 2 BB, Win

        • paper bag on head (shame) says:
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          Thanks! Love the break down@Rudy Gamble:

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          @Rudy Gamble:

          “Perceived chances of getting crushed.”

          Ha! That’s my favorite go-to stat when I’m deciding who to draft amongst pitchers.

  139. Shoop da Whoop says:
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    Curious as to why the Reds are projected to be better against LHP than RHP; they’ve been awful against RHP for three seasons now, with guys like Charlie Morton (who, like Masterson, gets destroyed by LHP) regularly spinning gems against them. Only the Dodgers and MAAArlins have been worse against RHP this season, and last season they had a .307 wOBA and 88 wRC+ against righties. During this time, the Reds have been one of the best teams against LHP, with their right handed batters like Cozart, Hanigan, and Mesoraco turning into above average players instead of the near automatic outs they are against RHP. Plus Votto doesn’t really show any major handedness splits, and Phillips is incredible against LHP, and slightly below league average versus RHP.

    • They also added Choo who has big splits and their 3rd best RH (Ludwick) is on DL.

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        @Rudy Gamble: I biffed on my first sentence by reversing my argument, but I think you understood what I meant from the rest – that the Reds are better against LHP than against RHP.

        I grant you that Choo hits RHP better than he does LHP, but Ludwick being hurt diminishes the Reds’ offense against RHP. His career OPS is actually better against righties than lefties. I don’t think that the Reds will remain and finish the season 28th in the league against RHP, mostly thanks to replacing Stubbs with Choo (losing Ludwick will diminish this factor, however), but I just can’t see them being a top 5 offense against righties like they are against lefties.

        • @Shoop da Whoop: I have them above average against RHP and LHP but that they should be better against RHP. I know the 2013 season to date stats are saying something different but I feel pretty confident in my splits. Also, check the wOBAs of Choo, Votto, and Bruce against LHP/RHP vs. Phillips….you’ll find that the lefties have a more extreme split favoring RHP (aside from a fluky 2011 by Votto).

  140. Charles says:
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    LHP v COL is shaping up exactly as you predicted. Moore struggled even without Tulo in the lineup. Price is struggling today. I hope the handedness factor is working with other teams as expected.

    • @Charles: Not sure how much of that is handedness vs. park factors. I’m benching Sabathia in a 15-team weekly league because his next start is @COL.

  141. EK says:
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    Niese is starting @ ATL 5/5
    How would you rank him?
    Him or Garcia @ MIL?

  142. Both are fairly dangerous starts. I’d probably take Niese b/c the Brewers eat up LHP.

  143. FillyP says:
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    Need to run another SP today.. who would you pick out of this group:

    Hammel @ LAA
    Straily @ NYY
    Slowey @ Phi
    Kluber vs. MIN
    Volquez vs. ARI

    I’m looking at Hammel and Straily. Also.. I’d be dropping Vargas for either one. Who should be better ROS.. Hammel, right?

  144. LastMile says:
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    Rudy – Loving the Stream-o-Nator! Thanks for all of your hard work. I play in several H2H point leagues. Did I read correctly on an earlier post in a H2H points league you would start anyone above 0?

    Thanks

    • Thanks and, yes, $0 is my cut-off for H2H and I would dip under that when ERA and WHIP are no longer in play

  145. dzigga says:
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    Progress Report 5/5:

    Rudy, I’ve made 10 starts so far with the SON. I’ve tried to be selective, going for lower $ price starts against HOU or MIA, avoiding Blanton, etc. So far my luck hasn’t been great — my BABIP and LOB% must be insane.

    SON predicted: 61 inn, 3.8 wins, 3.69 era, 1.22 whip, 7.0 K/9, ($10.1 avg dollar price)
    My results: 54 inn, 2 wins, 5.33 era, 1.52 whip, 6.5 K/9

    It was looking like I might have a chance to hit the predictions on the head until my last few starts – Chen at SEA, Lilly vs COL, Phelps at HOU and then Locke vs WAS (so much for the hot hand theory – he had 13 straight scoreless innings going into that). Other bad ones were Volquez vs COL and Richards at SEA. Unfortunately my ERA right now looks about the same as the Astros pitching staff.

    Anyway don’t think there’s much to say other than small sample size. I’ll let you know the update after 20 starts.

    For the next week I am looking at some lower $ price matchups that seem intriguing: Vargas at HOU, Nolasco at SD, and Stults vs MIA. Any of those you would avoid? Stults hasn’t been good, but MIA’s offense has been spectacularly bad.

    • @dzigga: Hey dzigga – I feel your streaming pain. It was not a good April for me either. My RCL ERA is near 4.00 and the 4 SPs I drafted are doing anywhere from good to great (CLee, F-Her, Holland, Lynn). I got those same Chen, Lilly, and Volquez starts. I chalk it to bad luck for now and taking a little break for now as I picked up Masterson for a 2 SP audition (the first start with the Twins was solid….and then it turned in the 7th).

      I don’t love any of those starts as there is no K upside and wouldn’t seem to be heavy Win favorites.

      Keep me posted…

  146. Jimmy Smooth says:
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    How do I use the Stream-o-Nator for hitters? I tried entering position names, hitting abbreviations and last names of players, but nothing worked.

    • SteveNZ says:
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      @Jimmy Smooth: It’s not for hitters – only for pitchers. I think a version for hitters is in the works, though.

  147. goodfold2 says:
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    tepesch was actually recommended by your 2 start guy. For both starts. Is he that this bad to get this rating?

    • @goodfold2: I’m surprised the start at Houston is around -$1. Can’t imagine anyone is negative against Houston. @CHC interests me less. Not a bad play in a weekly H2H to start him….

  148. kevin says:
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    Yo…fix the sortability by date. Screwed up.

    • Reginald Denny says:
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      @kevin: Yeah, looks like it’s sorting by the first number in the date rather than the whole number. So e.g. 5/10 comes before 5/5.

    • @kevin: Can’t be fixed in the short-term. It’s just an annoying thing when there are games before and after the 10th. It still groups the starts of a date together – it just sorts 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 7th, 8th, 9th vs. 7th-13th.

  149. Heraldo says:
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    H2H League – Zimmermann’s start on Tuesday (5/7) against Detroit – Start or Sit?
    SON scores it as: $5.7
    Leaning ‘Start’ due to Zimmermann’s past couple starts, but Detroit’s offense is scary.

  150. EK says:
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    Pls rank these starts for H2H pts:

    Vargas @ HOU
    Masterson vs OAK
    Milone @ SEA
    Tillman vs KC
    Hammel @ MIN
    Cashner @ TB

  151. Dani says:
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    How come bucholz is only a $1.5? He is a must start here right?

    • @Dani: Agreed. This is based on pre-season Buchholz. The projections haven’t accounted for his vaselineballs yet.

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        @Rudy Gamble: Speaking of which, any idea when you might be ready to roll out the in season projections?

  152. Evan says:
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    So -3.5 is a must start right? The lower the better?

  153. Domo Arigato Mr. Arenado says:
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    Do you have a score on Allen Webster tomorrow against the Twinkies?

  154. Tom says:
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    How strongly do you believe SON for Capuano for Sunday 2.91/1.07 $17.1. I know it’s the Marlins, but…..

    • @Tom: Yeah, don’t feel strong about it at all. Not sure Capuano is fully healthy. Same goes for Lilly.

  155. Enos says:
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    The streamonator has been good to me this year, but I’m challenged for 5/9. Vargas has a great start against Houston after he’s done well in his last 3. I know it’s IN Houston, but he’s pitching AGAINST Houston. He’s only a $6 and Vogelsong is up over double digits and he’s been roughed up lately. I’m going against the Streamonator today. I hope I don’t suffer.

    • @Enos: 1) Well, I think SON was right on Vargas – although he was solid on K’s which is typically the reason his road starts are devalued. I wouldn’t start him outside LAA. 2) As for Vogelsong, things aren’t breaking his way. Him and Cain are both getting hurt by HRs and low strand rates. Look at these stats:

      Left on Base – Vogelsong 2nd of 108 qualified pitchers at 59.2% (E-Jax #1)
      HR/9 – Vogelsong Tied for 3rd of 108 qualified pitchers at 2.06/9 (Estrada and Buehrle #1 and #2)
      BABIP – Vogelsong 3rd of 108 qualified pitchers at .367 (Worley and McCarthy #1 and #2)

      Between 2011/2012, Vogelson’g's has average an LOB rate of 78%, HR/9 at .78, and BABIP at .282.

      Given he’s K’ing 8.47 per 9 IP and his BB/9 rate isn’t that far out of line (3.43 vs. 3.00), I think he’s bound to bounce back and be an excellent Home starter. But in the one 15-team league I have him, I’m benching him until this wonkiness subsides a bit…

  156. Paul C. says:
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    Rudy, all your analytical efforts here are appreciated.

    Anyone else having trouble sorting by date? When I do that the list tends to get wonky. Just now it sorted into the following order: 5/9, 5/8, 5/14, 5/13, 5/12, etc. Not sure if I’m missing some trick. I just want to be able to sort it by date in chronological order, so starting with 5/8 and getting later.

    • @Paul C.: Mentioned earlier in the comments that the issue was specific to any weeks where the days span over the 10th. The sorting reads it literally and thus 5/10 is before 5/9 because the 1 is less than 9. Now that it’s 5/10, issue resolved.

      Not sure I’ll be able to resolve this one….

  157. Ithrowplastic says:
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    Having the same issue with it. It’s been pretty good to me this yr though……I agree with enos about 5/9 and disagree with some of the ratings for lincecunt. Appreciate this site guyz keep it up……some drinks coming your way…

  158. Aaron says:
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    Thinking about streaming Gee tonight against the Pirates in Metco. Anyone else on board?

    • @Aaron: sorry – didn’t respond as was out of pocket (not sure what that means but i like the turn of phrase). for future reference, i am a big fan of Met starters at Metco. I started Hefner in two 15-team leagues this week. I’d say Gee and Hefner are equal. Wouldn’t start either of them away from Metco except maybe in MIA or SDP. Even that is trickier than people seem to realize (see Vargas start from yesterday). Can’t stress enough that starting marginal pitchers on the road is generally not worth it under almost all circumstances. I’d rather Joe Saunders at home vs. Texas than away at Houston….

  159. Dani says:
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    Do you trust Cain? SON likes him still but his ERA is almost 6. If SON was including current season stats he would probably be around $0?

    • @Dani: I think Cain just has had bad luck this year with HRs and runners on base. $23 might be a tad high but I’d start Cain in all formats at home vs. ATL.

  160. greg says:
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    Why does Joe Blanton continue to be given such a high dollar amount on this? The guy has been getting his teeth kicked in all year, starting to question the stream-o-nator a little

    • Have not integrated in-season stats yet. I’d just ignore Blanton and Vogelsong for now

  161. Art Vandelay says:
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    Any thoughts on Gallardo @ CIN and Samardizja @ Wash tonight? I have both in a 10 team 5×5 roto league with no start cap. On the other hand, my ratios are brutal in that league, so I am being cautious. SON has them as just under $8 starts, so probably below average for a 10-team league. Normally, I would probably not bench either guy regardless of matchup, but SON has changed my perspective on shit.

    • In a 10 team roto league, I’d skip Gallardo @CIN – just too much downside. I’d roll dice with Samardjza.

  162. Chris J. says:
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    Marcum tonight in a 10-Team? Hasn’t shown anything in his 3 2013 appearances. Next available is Wade Davis. Might not be the best day to stream…

    • @Chris J.: I wouldn’t start Marcum in 15-team right now. Wade Davis is an eh – especially in 10 team. I’d hold off on streaming today if those are your best options

  163. Tom says:
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    Rudy – SON doesn’t rate Magill. Pick one: Magill v(MIA) Fernandez or Straily @(SEA) Iwakuma need some K’s w/o killing WHIP.

    • @Tom: Yeah, Magill is one of the guys I don’t have projections for yet (Pettibone and Burgos are the two others). I don’t trust Magill yet – I prefer Straily though I’d be more excited if the start was @OAK.

  164. Bob says:
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    The SON has been absolute garbage to me. Going back to old school.

  165. Big Mike says:
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    Yo Rudy! Is the Hitter-tron still in works or did the whole Bleacher Report thing derail it?

  166. Frank says:
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    Should I bench niese tonight? he walked 6 last time out and might have a short leash if his back is hurting

  167. Aaron says:
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    I think you still go w/ Niese at home

    • Agreed. If u don’t feel comfortable starting him at home vs Pitt, just drop him. We have him going this week in at least 1 15-team league and sitting him next week (I think @STL)

      • Jeez, sorry. Not sure if it is injuries or what but Niese is unownable in anything short of 15 team leagues right now.

  168. Bob says:
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    Here’s my SON experience this team. 12 team H2H with 7 max starts a week. I’ve decided to rely on the tool this year and not really done any legwork or gutwork on my starts.

    Literally following SON $ values in choosing my 7 starts for the week out of a staff that has been comprised of over the course of the season…

    Greinke, Medlen, Peavy, Burnett, Shelby Miller, Cingrani, Niese, Milone, Cashner, Estrada

    … My “benched starters” statistics currently sits at:

    Benched Starts: 19
    QS: 13
    ERA: 2.33
    WHIP: 1.08
    KBB: 3.63
    K/9: 9.00

    Thanks SON!

    (I blame this more on the 7 max starts than SON, but I’ve lost faith in SON at this point.)

    • @Bob: Sorry SON has hurt your team so far.

      All I can do with SON is apply the park/opponent factors and count on projections. Estrada/Niese have underperformed in ERA/WHIP. Miller/Cingrani are rookie SPs which are more unpredictable.

      Not sure what else to tell you but sorry.

      Best of luck w/ whatever ‘old school’ methods you use for picking pitchers. My only advice is to cut bait with some pitchers (Niese, Estrada, Milone being top candidates) b/c it seems asinine to have 10 rostered SPs when only 7 starts count per week.

      Rudy

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        @Rudy Gamble: Don’t think this is something you need to apologize for Rudy! The SON has been very effective for me. I think the thresholds and cutoff points just need to be used more effectively. I think people are benching starters who are under $10, but I am not benching someone unless they are right around $0 or below. Of course it has blown up a couple times, but the great starts have balanced it out and I am at the top of both ERA and WHIP

  169. Dani says:
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    Find it interesting that Lincecum is rated so high (and higher than Medlen, who he is facing). Someone dropped Lincecum in my 12 teamer, is he worth picking up here?

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      @Dani: also that Kendrick is -5.5 today. With the season he is having, he is a must start here?

      • Kendrick @ARI is a total must-sit. Tough pitcher park and it is doubtful KK will provide solid Ks. He is a mediocre pitcher who goes thru fortunate streaks.

    • If u need Ks, yes. Atlanta K’s a lot and Tim is still pretty good at that. He is not a great bet for ERA/WHIP.

      Part of the reason he is marked better than medlen is that home starts do better than away starts.

  170. Aaron says:
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    Niese crushed me too. I’m a Mets fan and had the opportunity to draft Niese or Harvey with a mid-round pick. I chose poorly.

    I think SON will be much better when there’s enough information available for Rudy to incorporate this year’s stats. That being said, I think SON is still great if you use it for the right purpose… It seems too many people are benching top 25-30 SPs who really should only be benched in rare circumstances…

    • @Aaron: Solid point. Two aspects:

      1) Yes, I agree that one shouldn’t overthink starting/sitting top 30 SPs (although that’s a moving target) except in extreme circumstances (like @COL or perhaps @BOS).

      2) The value of incorporating in-season stats will impact some but not all slumping SPs. Here are four good examples of pitchers who have greatly underperformed SON results (their K9/BB9/HR9/xFIP in parentheses): Beckett (8.03 / 2.90 / 1.79 / 3.95)
      Estrada (9.08 / 2.79 / 2.56 / 3.87)
      Vogelsong (8.47 / 3.43 / 2.06 / 4.11)
      Blanton (4.79 / 2.40 / 1.74 / 4.38)

      The first three have K/BB rates that are generally in line with their projections and that I’d consider fantasy baseball worthy. The HR rates for those first three are insane – particularly given Beckett and Vogelsong’s home parks. Here is their HR rates in perspective – multiply those numbers by 20 and that’s the # of HRs per 180 IP: Beckett 36, Estrada 51, Vogelsong 41. Estrada’s would break the MLB record and Vogelsong and the other two pitchers’ totals are high.

      Net-net, the xFIP is basically telling us that these guys still have the skills to pitch well and would SEEM to be particularly solid bets given park/opponent.

      Is it fine to bench these guys until they have a good start or two? Sure. In any league I can afford to, I’m benching these three.

      As for Blanton, his K-rate and BB-rate are way off vs. projections. He’s not the same pitcher as projected. I would hope that incorporating in-season stats will cause his SON projections to go down considerably. Of course, if he keeps pitching like this, he might not have a job….

      Estrada, Blanton

  171. Rich says:
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    Would you start Diamond or Feldman today? Both are on hot streaks right now, just worried about their matchups today

    • @Rich: sorry i couldn’t reply yesterday – it was the wife’s day not my mistress’s (Razzball=mistress). note that SON and Rudy ignore ‘hot streaks’ because the analysis i did in the offseason found they didn’t add anything once you account for the pitcher’s skills, park, opponent, etc.

  172. quarkdood says:
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    Would you start Brandon McCarthy, Roberto Hernandez, or Nick Tepesch today?

  173. hankp says:
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    Pick 2 for next week in a points league: Locke, Santiago, Medlen

  174. Dave says:
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    I’m assuming this is still based off of Pre-Season projections?

    Would you start Beckett vs WAS or Teheran vs. ARI 5/13–/5/14 ?

    • @Dave: Teheran is in the negative for that start @ARI. I would not start him. @ARI is a risky place for opposing pitchers. Beckett at home vs. WAS would seem to be a solid start and Beckett is ‘due’….but I’m sitting him in any league I could afford to. I have him going in my NFBC 15-team league but that’s only b/c my other starters are hurt (Westbrook, Richard, Baker, Billingsley) or ‘home-only’ guys who are away (Saunders, Hefner)..

  175. Chris J. says:
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    Any chance we can expect these outputs to reflect performance and statistics from this season in the near future? I think they would hold much value. Really great concept, it just seems not totally trustworthy.

    • @Chris J.: Yes, and it will be soon. Scroll above for my lengthy reply to Dave that explains why you should temper expectations about the impact and that it’s a subjective call to bench slumping pitchers with solid peripherals and bad luck (Vogelsong, Beckett, Estrada being the three mentioned).

  176. paper bag on head (shame) says:
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    Gee or McCarthy?

  177. Dani says:
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    Would it be possible to filter certain categories to come up with a new $ value? For example, if I already have K’s locked up for the week, but need ratio help, I could “uncheck” the K category, therefore getting the streamer who best fits my needs? Think that would be an awesome extra feature to an already awesome tool!

    • It’s feasible – but kinda complicated. I’ll keep it mind.

  178. Art Vandelay says:
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    You rolling with IPK today at home vs. Atlanta? SON likes it, but Kennedy has been absolutely killing me (and you, as I gather from the podcast), so I am having a hard time seeing it. I think I may need to bench him until he gives me a reason to trust him…

      • Art Vandelay says:
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        @Rudy Gamble: I benched him. Would’ve liked the win, but would’ve made the ratios slightly worse. I am running out of patience with him.

        Interesting that SON seems to hate Ervin Santana at OAK. I guess it recognizes that regression is coming for old Ervin? Seems like the park factor would be in his favor…

        • @Art Vandelay: Yeah, I have a little more faith in Kennedy but he’s been frustrating. He was almost in his own tier when it came to draftday. I know I saw him at the top of my draft board in almost every draft but I only bit on him once as I tended not to draft pitchers this year between approximately rounds 8 and 13. That said, Beckett was another guy like that who has burned some of my teams (for Grey, it was Estrada and Niese). For hitters, I know I saw Nelson Cruz and Hunter Pence on the top of my boards. Ended up with Pence in a number of leagues and have both on my RCL team.

          Net-net, I think I had a very good pitching year in 2012 and am having a very good hitting year in 2013. If I could ever get both, we might actually win LABR or Tout….

  179. Frank says:
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    Lets try this again….I bench niese today right? If his line looked like son’s prediction he’s a average start in my 16 team league with Qs. But at the moment he has to be benched.

      • Frank says:
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        @Rudy Gamble: safe to to start him again next time out?

        • @Frank: My position on Niese is similar to my view at the start of the season. He’s a home-only starter and is not a great matchup in most road games (exceptions of course..@MIA and @SDP is solid…@LAD, @PIT, @SF might be okay). We have Niese on a couple teams so last night’s start was reassuring. Would like to see a few more K’s but < 8 ER is a good start! He also lucked out that Holliday wasn’t in the lineup. I’m not starting anyone but my aces @STL – let alone against Wainwright.

  180. trick dad says:
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    the matchups for Friday and Saturday haven’t been reflected here. Cingrani @ PHI, Morrow @ NYY…

  181. Kevin says:
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    Phil Hughes….ah the joys of streaming pitchers!!!!

    It was between him, Wandy and Ogando and for some reason I went with Hughes! Gonna be hard to recover my ERA after that brillant outing.

    Please don’t take this as complaining about the stream-o-nator as we should all remember the players still have to perform between the lines. I;m just sharing my pain.

    • @Kevin: Hughes is a frustrating pitcher. Great pedigree. Looks good in stretches and then blows up. He’s a bad fit for Yankee Stadium as a RHP who is prone to HRs. But a home start against the Mariners is a good matchup no matter where you pitch…(okay, except COL)…

  182. Tryitout says:
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    Trying out SON for first time tonight. Going against my judgement and streaming Liriano, crossing fingers. Well see.

  183. Butch Coolidge says:
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    Pujols or Moreland today? Who would you go with?

  184. Goose says:
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    Hey Rudy -

    I’m in the Spring Fling today and I’m by turns excited and stressed out about it. Good times!

    My main concern is my SP2 – I’m wavering between CJ Wilson (vs CHW, $8200), Jeanmar Gomez (vs HOU, $7800), and Jarrod Parker (vs KC, $7300). There’s a lot to weigh, it seems:
    - That extra $400-$900 cost savings could be helpful elsewhere…
    - Wilson’s last start was against the Sox and he did okay-ish – 6.2 IP, 6 H, 3 ER, 4 BB, 3 K and the loss (on the road). Now he’s home, and SON likes him a lot – but is there ever any trend to know about for SPs in their 2nd game of back-to-back facing the same team?
    - And with Sale on the other side, getting the win here could be tough (though who knows).
    - Meanwhile SON also likes Gomez vs HOU (and who can blame SON) – but Gomez has yet to pitch more than 5 IP in any start and he was pulled from his last with calf tightness. They say he’s fine, but with IP being a part of the point-scoring (2.25 pt/IP (vs, e.g., 2 pt/K)) – would you downgrade Gomez here?
    - Then there’s Parker. I watched his last game and he actually threw great (just made one mistake pitch). SON doesn’t love him here that much – but it does give him a 0.65 factor for a QS (compared with 0.53 for Gomez), which I’m staring at hard with that IP consideration. He’s been awful at home, but seems like he’s feeling healthy at last and with his ability, he should start coming back to the mean… I can’t help but be somewhat enticed by the potential + low cost.

    Sheesh, maybe just by writing this I’ve talked myself into Parker… but what do you think?

    Apologies for the long-windedness. Thanks much for any thoughts you care to share!

    • @Goose: Hey Goose. SON isn’t factoring injuries so you’re right to be more skeptical on Jeanmar. I don’t have any additional intel on Wilson vs. Parker. Clearly SON prefers Wilson so that would be where I’d go. In yesterday’s DraftKings, I ended up with Jerome Williams at $5,000 so I could bet heavier on offense. Williams was fine (bullpen screwed him out of a win) but I misfired stocking up on RH Rays against Doubront. Good luck!

  185. Goose says:
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    Right on.

    One other part of the consideration is that I’m prob gonna roll Casper Wells (lifetime 5/12 with 2 HRs vs Wilson) out in my OF – assuming he plays. I never like crossing the hitter/pitcher streams… Gah – it’s nerve-wracking but fun to make these decisions!

    Anyhow, thx much for your input. Fingers (not streams) crossed!

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