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With the Razzball Commenter Leagues sign ups in full swing, we look at what last year’s RCLs showed us, i.e., this is the stats you need to win your fantasy baseball leagues.  Across 48 12 team leagues, you would think you’d have some wide variations, but it’s amazingly close what you need in each category to do average vs. win. Some quick points upfront. There were 5 outfielders and one utility, so if you play in a Yahoo league with three outfielders and two utility, I’d expect more offense across the board. Not much, but some. There was a 180 games started max for pitchers.  6.5 is average in a 12 team league, not 6 because the last place team has 1 point, not zero. Finally, the RCLs are made up of guys that are probably more competitive than your casual fantasy baseball leaguemates, so if you can hit these benchmarks, you should be in good shape. Anyway, here’s what it takes to win a 12 team fantasy baseball league:

Average Team 1st Place Team Avg 3rd Place Team Avg
Category Team Player Team Player Team Player
Runs 973  75 1,108 85  1059  81
HR 237  18 294 23 273 21
RBI 936 72 1,071 82  1022 79
SB 162 12  214  16 195 15
AVG .267 dur  .281  dur .276  dur
W  82 9 99 11  93 10
SV  91 10 146 16  126 14
ERA  3.59 dur 3.17 dur 3.32 dur
WHIP 1.23 dur 1.15 dur 1.18 dur
K’s 1168 130 1384 154 1305 145

LEGEND:

Me.

MAKING SENSE OF THE ABOVE CHART:

The average team last year scored 973 runs, that would get them 6.5 points in the standings in runs.  That’s with each hitter contributing 75 runs.  To win your league, it took 1,108 runs with the average hitter contributing 85 runs.  To come in third, you need 1059 runs with 81 runs coming per player.  That should explain all of the numbers.

If I divided a hitter’s average to find an average, my calculator spit out “dur.”  I’m guessing what it means is each hitter needs to average the, uh, average, uh, average and each pitcher needs to average those ratios.

WHAT’S NOT IN THE CHART:

How many points you need to move from one point to the next.  Here goes…

Runs: 24.6
HR: 10.4
RBI: 24.6
SB: 9.4
Average: .0024
ERA: -.076
WHIP: -.015
Wins: 3.03
Ks: 39.3
Saves: 9.95

Random Commenter, “So the ideal pitcher gives 3 wins, 39 Ks and 9 saves?   Hmm… I’m gonna draft 15 Joe Nathan’s!”  No, silly, those numbers are how much it takes to go from say 7 points to 8 points in each category.  If you take the 3rd place homers of 273 and add two standing points (10.4 twice), you get the winning homer total of 294 and you just won a brand new Hyundai! (Offer expired.)

THIS IS TOTALLY CLEAR, BUT COULD YOU JUST TELL US WHAT THE EFF IN THE EFF HOLE WE’RE SUPPOSED TO BE AIMING FOR?  MY HEAD HURTS AND I’M HAVING A WART BURNED OFF MY ANUS TOMORROW, I REALLY DON’T HAVE TIME FOR THIS:

I’d aim for a 3rd place finish in each league.  If you follow my other advice from other posts, you’ll have more saves, strikeouts, homers and RBIs than the 3rd place finishing team, but that’s good, now go drive your brand new Hyundai (if you bought one on your own, we’re no longer giving them out, sorry!)

119 Responses

  1. gareth says:
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    I just dropped a player and am looking to pick up a starter from the wire. I’m torn between edwin Jackson and ryan vogelsong. I know you ranked vogelsong higher than jackson. But even though he will now pitch at Wrigley, I’m intrigued by Jackson’s strikeout ability. However vogelsong pitches in san Francisco and his era should be lower.

    Who is preferable?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @gareth: Vogelsong for now…

  2. bossmanjunior says:
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    With SAGNOF in mind (as well as our loins), would you essentially punt stolen bases on draft day? I don’t mean completely disregard that category, just not focus on it, while instead targeting well rounded players. I’ve never drafted an all-speed player, yet I seem to dominate this category every year. I could see myself drafting Gardner in the 20th over a guy like Bourn in the 10th and getting the same, if not better production at the end of the year. Just like saves, stolen bases are laying on the waiver wire with their panties around their ankles just waiting to be had all season.

    • centerfieldballhawk says:
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      @bossmanjunior: Stolen bases are just one category. Draft well rounded players and a couple of speed guys late in your draft and you should be fine.

      • prezii says:
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        @Grey: not what cougar told me…

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          @prezii: Snap! Ha…

  3. Wade Ortega says:
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    For a 10-team league, would ya divide each target by 12 and multiplyby 10?? What should be use for a league that size?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Wade Ortega: Rudy’s supposed to have targets for other leagues…

      • aiming to post by end of this week…

  4. ben bones says:
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    hey grey,
    we are allowed 3 keepers and i’ve already decided on stanton and goldschmidt but i’m unsure who i should pick for my third. these are my four best options – was wondering who you would go with. league includes OPS and k/bb. thanks, keep up the good work.
    encarnacion $2
    dickey $2
    medlen $2
    scherzer $4

  5. Rabbit says:
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    I’ve been doing the same calculus for my 12-team keeper league for about six years now, and it is fascinating how close my numbers are to yours, Grey–i.e., third place in my league requires about the same as third place in the average RCL league. One thing that is interesting is to look at how the targets have changed over those six years. And it’s no surprise: pitching is up and hitting is down, so the targets for the pitching ratios are lower (i.e. better) and the targets for the hitting stats are lower (i.e. worse). Back when I started doing this, a .283 average would get you third place, while that now easily nets you first; a 1.23 Whip got you third, while that now is just middle of the pack.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Rabbit: Yeah, while that isn’t surprising it is interesting… And that’s only 6 years… I remember owning Sosa and his 20-homer May in 1998, you probably needed 400 homers to finish first that year…

      • Paddyman says:
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        @Grey: 20 homers in May. That just seems so bizarre to read in the context of today’s game Had to have been like fbb porn! What’d hamilton hit last may-12?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yeah, and Sosa didn’t even hit the most homers that year… It was like fantasy baseball pinball…

  6. shibboleth says:
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    Grey, belated congrats on the offseason expansions to Razzball! Just because I say it now doesn’t mean I haven’t enjoyed it thoroughly these past few months.

    OPS league, keep 2 for up to 2 years. Chapman is already kept in the 15th. Who would you choose: Frazier in the 20th or Laroche in the 20th? Greedy second question: Would either change your pairing strategy? I draft 4th overall, desperately seeking a 1B/3B instead of a CI. :-)

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @shibboleth: Thanks! Frazier… Not sure I understand your 2nd question…

  7. OaktownSteve says:
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    Solving for DUR.

    I’m using 590 AB per roster slot, though I would be interested in seeing the actual RCL data. 590 x 13 roster spots = 7670 AB per team. If the average team hits .267 that’s 2047 hits per team.

    The average player on a team has 158 hits (.267 x 590). In order to raise a team’s average .024 you need 19.3 additional hits ((2047+19.3)/7670)=.2694

    To get a player’s Extra Hits you take his expected batting average and ABs and do something like this: .300 x 650 Abs = 195 hits – 158 average player hits = 37 Extra hits

    To find the value of the Extra hits divide by 19.3. 37/19.3= 1.91 standings gain points.

    In other words a player’s .300 average over 650 ABs is as valuable as a guy who hits 38 (actually 37.8 but who hits 4/5 of a homer) home runs or steals 30 bases.

    A player who is going to hit .230 over 550 ABs is actually going to lower you in the average standings by -1.63 standings gain (loss) points.

      • OaktownSteve says:
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        @VinWins:

        So if I read your data correctly the average team in the average league had 7109 ABs or 547 by roster spot? Do you concur?

        • OaktownSteve says:
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          @OaktownSteve:

          Also looks like the average league average was .269? How does this reconcile with Grey’s .267 number. I guess it could be the difference between median and mean and thus still reconcile.

          • VinWins

            VinWins says:
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            @OaktownSteve:I think Grey used the RCL numbers as a guide to determining his goals.

            Yes, 547 per slot.

            • OaktownSteve says:
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              @VinWins:

              I think .267 is probably the mean (which is how you would properly calculate standings) rather than .269 which is the raw median (or average).

              so the AB differnce changes my calculations only a little. It’s 1898 hits per team and 7111 to hit .267. Meaning the xHits to move up a standings point is 17.7 rather than 19.3. That makes xHits slightly more valuable than I calculated above.

              Average hits are 1898

              • VinWins

                VinWins says:
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                @OaktownSteve: OK, makes sense. I just provide the numbers. Others have to figure out what they mean.

                • OaktownSteve says:
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                  @VinWins:

                  By the way, the same process works for ERA and WHIP.

                  If I get a chance I’ll put those numbers here too.

    • me! says:
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      @OaktownSteve:
      That is really useful information. I’ve always kinda wondered about BA and standings points.

      • OaktownSteve says:
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        @me!:

        Thanks Me! I love this stuff. Others not so much. I’m hearing in my head a lot of folks channeling Chevy Chase as Gerald Ford circa 1975: “I was led to believe there would be no math.”

    • OaktownSteve says:
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      @OaktownSteve:
      Top o’ the mornin’, Albright. Yesterday I did some bad acid…er…bad math on your site. Wanted to apologize and correct myself. I overstated the value of BA relative to standings. Post pretty much got glossed over but I wish one of all y’all had said, “hey wait a minute, that looks borderline bonkers.” Anyway, for a long time I’ve wanted a better way to think about the effect of one player’s average on the standings (ERA and WHIP too) because the rate stats are slippery. So here’s another pass presented with both more and less confidence. I encourage somebody, anybody, to poke a hole in this.

      Average team ABs in 2012 RCL=7111
      Average team hits in 2012 RCL=1898 (.267 avg)

      let pAB=projected at bats for a given player
      pAVG=projected batting average for that player

      (pAB-547)+7111= adjusted AB team total (aAB for short)

      aAB x .2694 = number of hits (aH) needed to hit .2694
      aAB x .267 = average number of hits

      (aAB x .2694) – (aAB x .267) = hits needed to go up one standings point (SP)

      so (pAVG x pAB)-(.267 x a AB)=extra player hits (xH)

      xH/SP= player effect on standings pSP

      so if you have a guy projected to hit .300 in 650 ABs lets see if it works:

      (600-547) + 7111=7164

      7164 x .267 = 1912.7
      7164 x .2694 = 1930

      1930 – 1912.7 = 17.3 hits to move up a point (SP)

      (.300 x 650) – (.267 x 650) = 21.5 xH

      21.5/17.3 = 1.24 standings point gain (pSP)

      or roughly equivalent to a guy who hits 30 home runs but is average in every other category or steals 23.5 bases but is average in every other category.

      There…that feels better

      I did it for WHIP and ERA too, but I’m not going to post it lest heads start exploding like in Scanners (starting with mine)

  8. Dominic says:
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    How do you seem to read my mind every time I want information. Get out of my head Grey! No but for real, keep the awesome articles coming.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Dominic: Ha… Hey, clean your ears, young man!

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  10. Nick says:
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    This is awesome, thank you! You mentioned how offensive numbers should be slightly higher in a league with 3 OFs and 2 Utils. Does this mean that I should target 2nd place averages in those categories (assuming I can calculate that on my own)?

    Also, how would you expect pitching numbers to be affected by no limits on innings or starts?

    Thanks again!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Nick: You can calculate 2nd place averages, but that’ll just be a rough estimation of what you need… Pitching numbers would change with no limits on starts or innings, yeah…

  11. Jon says:
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    In my draft prep for my 1o-team H2H league, I started thinking today of needing an SP1, SP2, etc. versus just the number of SP total I need to draft and that’s helped me out a lot.

    For example, I’m keeping Bumgarner, Zimmermann, Medlen and Anderson. I like Bum, Zimm and Medlen as a strong 1-3, and then I’d put Anderson somewhere around a SP6, which means I need to draft an SP4 and SP5. When looking at it that way, I don’t need to worry about getting a Latos or Moore (although that would certainly be nice), but instead I’d be fine with a Ryu/Niese + Haren/Fister. Easy.

    This would be a strong top 6, correct?
    SP1 Bumgarner
    SP2 Zimmermann
    SP3 Medlen
    SP4 Niese
    SP5 Fister
    SP6 Anderson

    After that I’d be looking for upside guys with Ks like Harvey and Hammel, might grab a Luebke, too, and stash him on the DL for a second-half jolt. I really shouldn’t have any problem winning my pitching categories and can focus on more hitting early on in the re-draft.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Jon: The pitching staff looks totally fine, yeah…

  12. Eddy says:
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    Grey, I finished a Yahoo mock for the first time. I really don’t like mock drafting anymore because I know it’s just a bunch of autodrafters, but it was for the sake of learning where players are in Yahoo, as well as to get an idea of the ‘best’ team I could make. I figure this is the benchmark team. What do you think? 12-team, H2H, I drafted with OBP in mind.

    C- Alex Avila
    1B- Albert Pujols
    2B- Dan Uggla
    3B- Evan Longoria
    SS- Josh Rutledge
    OF- Matt Holliday
    OF-Shin Soo Choo
    OF- Adam Jones
    Util- Austin Jackson
    Util- Adam Dunn

    BN-Ben Revere
    BN-Mark Reynolds

    SP- Madison Bumgarner
    SP-Jordan Zimmermann
    SP- Jeff Samardzija
    SP- Phil Hughes
    SP- Mike Fiers
    SP- Hyun-Jin Ryu
    SP- Shelby Miller

    RP- Jason Motee
    RP- Tom Wilhelmsen
    RP- Glen Perkins
    RP- Bobby Parnell

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Eddy: The team looks strong.. Some small things, Revere and Reynolds are pretty useless on the bench and Dunn is a huge average killer that I wouldn’t mess with and Uggla I don’t have high hopes for…. Your pitching looks solid…

      • Eddy says:
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        @Grey: Well remember, I’m going for OBP. Otherwise I would have steered way from Reynolds/Dunn/Uggla.

        You don’t see Uggla producing 75/25/80/.335? I figure that’s not exorbitant, and not too shabby for 2B.
        And I’d give Dunn the same line with about five more HR and a few more points on OBP.
        Reynolds also hovers around .330.

        I can see the Reynolds/Revere argument. Would you just stash a rookie with your last pick or take a 5th RP that either has chance to close/elite set up?

        • Grey

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          Sorry, I skimmed over the OBP caveat… Hitting is a lot better than… I wouldn’t stash Revere and Reynolds though… Take a RP handcuff or a rookie with some upside…

  13. costaricanchata says:
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    i’ve got to get in a league where everyone is trying for 3rd place .

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I want in a league where everyone’s aiming for last…

  14. Cole says:
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    Legend: Me. I nearly lol’d, and I hate it when people do that. Have you found these numbers to vary year to year? For example power is down in the past 10 years and the closer meltdown of ’12?

  15. Ari says:
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    Grey, I’m in a 12-team, H2H league that uses OBP instead of AVG and counts Ks for hitters. I’ve got 4 keeper slots. So far I’ve got:
    Trout – $1
    Harper – $2
    Posey – $12
    I’m deciding between J Upton or Bautista for the last spot; they’ll both cost me $24. I’m also considering just keeping both and not keeping Posey. Any advice?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Upton and Posey…

  16. costaricanchata says:
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    since the mlb endorses/sponsors the wbc , maybe selig will rule on accepting their
    stats in determining player position-eligibility .

    “Russell Martin:
    C – Pit
    Russell Martin could play shortstop for Canada in the World Baseball Classic. (RotoInfo.com) (02/18)”

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Unfortunately, he’d still be below league average at SS…

      • costaricanchata says:
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        @Grey:

        quite true .
        but one year the dominican team had the following shortstops on their roster :
        a-rod , tejada , hanley , & , reyes

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          @costaricanchata: A-Rod doesn’t even know where he’s from… He’s from the DR about as much as I am…

    • prezii says:
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      @costaricanchata: i read this yesterday too… Then i thought of him crouched down at short… Then i chuckled pretty loud and moved on with my day.. ahh good times.

  17. Mr Gray: WOW!!! … Amazing!!! … It worked!!!

    We are now mind-melding for certain…

    The hairs on the back of neck were standing on end and I had goose bumps upon arriving here this morning

    Yesterday, when doing my evening quiet time meditations on my daily Ask- the – Razzman questions… I had concentrated on asking you this very question for today…

    And there it was… The Headline Topic for today – before I even posted!!!!…. This is SO heavy, man WOW!!!! WAY COOL, DUDE!!!!

    I’m now convinced, we have achieved a FBB psychological symbiosis…. A state of telepathic communication not often reached… This is really great news…

    I will be reporting this successful T-occurrence on here to FantasyTelepathy. com, today… I’m certain, it will be well received….

    ***** A warning, many other FBB T-sensitives and devotees will most likely be flocking here soon… Hope, your band width can handle the crowds… The crowds of the curious are much the same as with an appearance of the face of the Blessed Virgin in a doughnut or a child with the full blown Stigmata of the Passion or a WalMart Black Friday sale …..****

    While we are hot, let’s give it another quick try now… Ready??? … Here goes…

    Tramsmission … OOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooUUUUUUUUUuuuuUUUUUoooooo… Neener Neener..

    Receiving…

    Did you get that, Mr Gray???… Stay calm, now relax (like someone can tell you that), deep slow breaths… OOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooUUUUUUUUUuuuuUUUUUoooooo… Neener Neener..

    Receiving …. Very good, Mr Gray!! HAHAHAHAHAHA… That’s funny!!!

    Oh, do you have the power… I can see us teaming up this season for our FBB drafts telepathically… What a combined force of FBB T-energy that would be…. Unfair???…

    On to the thread topic…. I was pleased to see, your data was close to my own gut instinct numbers on this…. The ones, I had come up with through viscerally applying my raft of FBB league experiences… The power of the mind is a wonderful thing… We must never turn our backs on our own intuitiveness in FBB… A key principle in the Miyagi Method…

    Thanks Razzman and Crew for crunching the numbers… It was well done and not a waste of time…

    ****** Note **** On headaches and anal warts: They are not uncommon maladies reported by the Telepath… They do tend to pass as one finds more comfort and relaxes in their telepathy – not straining with it – so to speak…

    You might want to use the address above to find some more information regarding these negative manifestations… (Again like the NMBPOA. com site), they have understanding support chat rooms for these delicate subjects…

    Also, the site has a homeopathic product page that might aid in the treatment of these T-sensitive problems… I know, they have a great Positive-Ion Healing Wand / Gel for the treatment of anal warts – (water proofed) (BNI) @ $19.19 / free shipping… It works great!!! Got rid of mine 2 days… I still use it regularly to prevent their return…****

    P.S. Mr Gray, rest assured, I will be careful not to T-contact you outside of normal working hours and my early evening Ask- the – Razzman quiet times…

    Sending … OOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooUUUUUUUUUuuuuUUUUUoooooo… Neener Neener..

    Receiving… Did you get that, Mr Gray???…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @T Moore: I don’t want to freak you out, but I knew you were gonna write this comment yesterday…

  18. scott says:
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    Am I making a big mistake targeting a lot of the poor performance/injured SPs from last year and banking too much on bouncebacks? I want good pitching obviously but im trying to buy cheap targeting halladay, haren, romero, lincecum…. bad idea? Should I aim for better? Or u think I could be just fine? Thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      You should follow my advice from my top 100 starters and pitching pairings post…

      • scott says:
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        @Grey: thanks grey!

    • prezii says:
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      @scott: i always try for a bounceback guy (or two) later in the draft butyou dont want to get screwed. Last year i plucked waino somewhat late and it was great for me but more then one or two, and they dont pan out, you could be kicking yourself. Romero you can probably get without ANY risk, almost the same with timmy. I think halladay is a good bounceback target and haren, well, hes a risk pretty much every year.

      I think having a couple late round low risk/high reward/comeback players is a great idea, but over doing will spell trouble for sure. There is plenty of healthy/not as risky players you can get for cheap as well.

      • scott says:
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        @prezii: thanks prezii, appreciate the feedback!

        • prezii says:
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          @scott:no prob scott! Just my two cents..

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      He’s got the lesbian chic thing going on…

      • prezii says:
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        @Grey: HA! Good call… Definitely rockin the strap-on look…

  19. SC says:
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    Grey,

    I’m playing a 5×5 (k/9 instead of k) 14 team H2H Keeper. We keep 6.
    1. Kemp
    2. Votto
    3. McCutchen
    4. Reyes
    5. Choo

    Feel like I got a solid top 5, but have no idea what to do with my 6th.
    I can choose from Andrus, Weiter, Latos, Morrow aka not much. I could probably go after from most to least expensive (Zimmerman, Headley, Bumgarner, Kimbrel) I hate keeping closers but CK would fit nice with my strategy of Elite MR (sprinkled with a top tier closer or two) and streaming most of my staff using the stream-o-nator.

    Lemme know your thoughts on what I should do in this situation.

    • Grey

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      Latos isn’t bad to keep from those guys… If you can get any of those other guys (Zimmerman, etc.) then go for it, but I don’t know what you need to do to get one of them…

  20. looking for sleeper closers – might win the job – could take over – coming up from minors

    thanks for info -

      • VinWins

        VinWins says:
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        @Grey: Or tomorrow?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Oh… Ha! Yeah, tomorrow, Mr. Baseball.

  21. Greyismyhero says:
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    Nice article as always my hero Grey, I need some assistance in figuring out cats for my H2H league. In your opinion, Is OPS and AVG close to the same thing? Am I duplicating stats in a way if I include both? I would like to include both. I usually see either or in leagues, seldom both. Whats your thoughts on this? Thank you and keep smoking whatever you do! PEACE!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Hey, man, long time no worship… OPS and AVG aren’t close… If anything, OPS just puts extra emphasis on top tier hitters…

    • Eddy says:
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      @Greyismyhero:

      If I could throw my two cents, I’d move toward an OBP league, replacing AVG altogether. Walks and HBP finally mean something and it changes the dynamic on a few players (Dunn, Uggla aren’t COMPLETELY useless, but at the same time guys like Revere and Adam Jones actually take a little bit of a hit).

      It’s pretty fun. I did an OPS league. It really makes it hard to justify SAFNOF only guys when you see them throwing up .600 a week.

  22. BASH says:
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    Grey

    16 team 3 keeper league offered Bumgarner for Kemp. Accept? He also has Goldschmidt, would u trade Lawrie for him straight up?

    Thanks

    • Grey

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      I’d want Kemp and Goldy…

  23. Eddy says:
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    Not sure how it took me this long to show this here, but everyone needs to read this.

    http://jonmillward.com/blog/studies/deep-inside-a-study-of-10000-porn-stars/

    Don’t worry, it’s safe for work. The dude analyzed an entire database of porn stars (which I didn’t even know existed) and came up with interesting facts like the most common bra size, name, hair color, race of porn stars, as well as most popular genre, sexual acts, etc.

    Not even kidding, this is worth 15 minutes of your time.

    • Grey

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      Nice… I just looked at the charts and was impressed… Will put it on my reading list…

    • Jack Full of Hate says:
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      @Eddy: I didn’t need to read that to know that blonde white chicks are in porn the most.

      • Eddy says:
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        @Jack Full of Hate:

        Then you read nothing at all! Brunettes are the most abundant :)

        • prezii says:
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          @Eddy: that is a lot of… Dedication? I guess… Interesting, indeed, but thats a lot of porn with no tits…

          And thats irony at its finest what jack said… Haha I would have thought more blondes as well.. i think most people would.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      They should take back all his bloop singles as they would’ve been pop ups to the 2nd baseman…

  24. Tom says:
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    Thoughts on this pitching lineup – Cain – Moore – Jenn Sama – Niese – Harvey

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      It’s great…

  25. Jack Full of Hate says:
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    so what this article is saying is I’m going to have to do math?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, sorry… That’s my bad…

      • Jack Full of Hate says:
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        @Grey: Its not your fault, you can’t take the blame for all of math.

  26. PROFAR OR TAVERAS – KEEPER LEAGUE

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Profar

  27. Tom says:
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    Grey what are you thoughts on this team – This is the guys I am going to target and even reach for a bit. I feel like I can get all these guys in the rounds I noted below with having pick number 12. What are you thoughts

    12team mixed
    1 Giancarlo Stanton
    2 Evan Longoria
    3 Adam Jones
    4 Paul Goldschmidt
    5 Matt Cain
    6 Desmond Jennings
    7 Ike Davis
    8 Matt Moore
    9 Jeff Samardzija
    10 Josh Rutledge
    11 Jonathon Niese
    12 Wilin Rosario
    13 Matt Harvey
    14 Jean Segura

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I think you’ve been reading Razzball! Team looks dope, for reals… I like all of those guys a lot…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Those are awesome! Damn, that would’ve been a crazy year to do fantasy… 7 of 10 top 10 picks might’ve been Yankees…

      • Steve says:
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        @Grey: ’61? Just looked it up. Whitey Ford pitched *283* innings (and won 25 games)! No one else pitched more than 188.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Right before you commented, I was thinking Ford might’ve been number 2 overall in drafts… If there were drafts, obviously… Where’s Lou Poulas when you need him?

          • Steve says:
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            @Grey: Hahahaha – this is unrelated (though it does involve Ford) but it sure is funny:

            Facing the Yankees in the 1963 World Series, Koufax beat Whitey Ford 5–2 in Game 1 and struck out 15 batters, breaking Carl Erskine’s decade-old record of 14 (Gibson would break Koufax’s record by striking out 17 Detroit Tigers in the 1968 World Series opener). After seeing Koufax’s Game 1 performance, Yogi Berra said, “I can see how he won 25 games. What I don’t understand is how he lost five,”

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Ha…Good ol’ Yogi… A real pearl!

              • Steve says:
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                @Grey: Did you start American Tabloid yet?

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Oh, man, I meant to tell you… Best book I’ve read in a few years… Damn it’s so good… I actually went to bed around 10 PM yesterday just so I could start reading it… Great call and I almost definitely will be reading the other two in the trilogy just because this book is so good…

                  • Steve says:
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                    @Grey: Nice! Yeah, it makes history a lot more fun, that’s for sure. And I don’t think I’ve ever felt so attached to such thoroughly nasty people.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      I’m glad I had no idea what it was about, and equally glad what it is about… Really entertaining and so original…

                    • prezii says:
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                      @Steve: look wat you did, steve.. got grey all giddy! I pictured him in a one-sy tearing up the stairs with his book in hand.. while coug heats up some milk in a sippie cup.. :D

          • Wallpaper Paterson says:
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            @Grey: In 1961 drafts, Hammerin’ Hank probably would have gone 1st overall in many of them. Vada Pinson had an excellent all around season in 1960 and was 21 years old. He was like Mike Trout.

            Second time I mentioned Pinson on this website tonight.

            • Grey

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              Pinson’s up in here, up in here! Yeah, I didn’t consult anything and you’re probably right… I was being a little free with my 7 out of 10 Yanks… But I bet I would’ve written a Yogi Berra fantasy schmohawk article…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Then again, there was only like 16 teams total…

      • Jack Full of Hate says:
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        @Grey: ah the good old days, how much better would the game be with only 16 teams

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yeah, talk about some huge sample sizes of pitchers vs. batters…

  28. Bill_Buckner says:
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    Hey Grey,

    Taking over a keeper and have to choose 4 of the following. Who would you go with (I know there aren’t 4 great options, but I figure Ike is solid at that round)?

    Haren 5th round
    Weiters 7th round
    Heyward 8th round
    Papelbon 9th round
    Either 10th round
    C. Young 11th round
    I. Davis 12th round
    J. Motte 13th round

    Thanks!

    • Wallpaper Paterson says:
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      @Bill_Buckner: Davis, Young, Heyward, Weiters

      • Bill_Buckner says:
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        @Wallpaper Paterson:

        Figured Davis & Heyward were definites, Thought probably Wieters, but then I’m not sure if I should go Motte in the 13th or Pap in the 9th. Possibly do both closers and throw back Wieters?

        TBH, never really considered Crispy given the fact that Oakland has like 11 OFers & that park should crush his power (not to mention I feel like I can get him well after the 11th anyway).

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Krispie’s not a starter… He’s not a keeper either….

          • Wallpaper Paterson says:
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            @Grey: Papelbon then. Young is going to be the 4th OF in Oakland?

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Young is gonna be, yeah… As of right now, at least…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ike, Heyward, Wieters, yikes… Papelbon…

  29. mercjobson says:
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    Grey you are sweet! My keeper Roto league is changing to dynasty format but we still have to keep ten before this year’s draft. So 12 teams keep ten players then we start drafting…
    I know I’m keeping;
    Tulo, Pedroia, ellsbury, Rizzo, Bumgarner, medlen, Kimbrel
    Then I want kenley Jansen( I know), Eaton, and Ruthlegde
    But I have motte, Pedro Alvarez, jesus Montero, Lester
    Thoughts on last 3 keepers???

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Eaton, Rutledge… Then it’s a toss up, I would go with Montero…

  30. Lilith says:
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    Hey yo! Our league is changing from a keeper to Dynasty. I have most in place in offense, but, when it comes to Pitching I’m screwed! Quality has been taken & I’m left deciding whether to keep Skaggs or B.Anderson? Thoughts? Also, if I have Mauer should I keep Perez?

  31. Lilith says:
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    Perez as well as Mauer…

  32. Oldman says:
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    First time long time…

    Keeper league questions!!!!:

    Auction league: when drafted or picked out of the waiver pool, I get that player at his price for 2 years. After those 2 years I can option him for one more year at the same price OR sign him to a long term deal. Every year on the deal is an additional $3 (so signing a player to a 5 yr contract means his price goes up $15 [5*3] for its duration. I’ve got trout and Harper at $1 and I’ve got to sign them this offseason. So the current plan is to sign trough for 7 and Harper for 6 ($22 & $19).

    Would you sign these guys for longer? I want to make sure I get them undervalue for the duration of their contracts, but obviously want to maximize the length I’ve got them locked up for. I am planning on staggering by a year with trout getting the longer deal, so I don’t lose them both the same offseason.

    I’m also signing a $3 j Zimmerman for 3 yrs ($12).

    I’ve got Braun at $66 for another year if I choose to keep him, but there was crazy inflation at last years draft (not that there won’t be this year..but I don’t anticipate it being as severe). Nt planning on keeping him and hoping to get him back in the $50′s.

    Next years big contracts to consider will be rizzo, middlebrooks, chapman, and cespedes ($1, $1, $2, $18)

    And MOST IMPORTANTLY: what the heck should I do w Howard at $10? Im actually higher on his bounce back potential than most, but I pride myself on having guys below their values. Ryho is fair at best it seems at that price, and I’m not looking fwd to enduring a potential .230 avg in my ci spot.

    Luv ya! Toodles!

    -oldman

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Hey, Oldman, welcome to the fray… $22 and $19 sounds solid with 7 years… Howard for one year, Rizzo for 3 years, Middlebrooks for two years, Chapman for 3 years, Cespedes for 3 years…

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