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Last year, this post and the 2nd basemen to target were necessary evils like changing underwear.  Whether you wanted to or not, it was a good idea to take a flyer on a late middle infielder, and you were still expecting to get crapped on.  Now?  Well…. I like some late middle infielders, could see owning one, but there’s a ton of early, sexy-AF middle infielders, so there’s a chance I own an MI before I even reach the 100th pick overall.  In other words, I could own a shortstop, 2nd baseman and shortstop or 2nd baseman all in the first eight or so rounds.  Yeah, crazy time we live in.  In no other way is it a crazy time, except for fantasy baseball.  Then again, I have the 2016 election results on my DVR and I haven’t watched yet.  No one ruin the surprise!  This is a (legal-in-all-countries-except-Lichtenstein) supplement to the top 20 shortstops for 2017 fantasy baseball.  The players listed have a draft rank after 200 on other sites.  Click on the player’s name where applicable to read more and see their 2017 projections.  Anyway, here’s some shortstops to target for 2017 fantasy baseball:

Marcus Semien (ESPN 199, Yahoo 230)  Real question, why doesn’t anyone like Semien?  Last year his stats were 72/27/75/.238/10.  That was the 89th best hitter last year, and 134th best player overall.  His real negative is obviously his average.  Well, ZiPS and Steamer have him projected for .245 and .249, respectively, so they expect better.  Here’s where logic and reasoning take a real detour in ESPN’s rankings.  They have him ranked 90 spots after Tulo.  Tulo’s ESPN projections 65/24/74/.271/1; Semien’s projections 70/22/66/.241/10.  That’s a valuable thirty points in average!  Here’s another fascinating one, they have Dansby Swanson projected for 72/10/61/.255/10.  Can you guess where they have Dansby ranked?  Oh, just 100th overall.  Here’s a shot in the dark, Semien will be mine.  Hmm, maybe I should’ve reworded that.

Dansby Swanson (Yahoo 210)  Swanson’s rankings might be the most disparate I’ve seen this year.  Some clowns have him at 100 overall (Klara Bell), and I’ve seen him as low as 300 overall elsewhere.  I know which way I lean (I have him ranked in the 230’s), but maybe I’m missing something (doubtful).  We need someone (Son?) to break down how Dansby can be so all over the map from site to site.  For rankings obviously, a Dansby in general is not all over the map; he’s quite xenophobic.

Tim Anderson (ESPN 226, Yahoo 208) Since I’m constantly ragging on ESPN, but giving Yahoo a bye, let me just say puzzling is underselling my feelings on Anderson being ranked in front of Semien.  And, since this post has already started as a reverse-ode to Dansby Swanson, Anderson’s ESPN projections are 73/9/39/.269/27.  Damn, those are a crazy valuable 20 RBIs Dansby’s got on Anderson to rank Dansby over a hundred spots in front of Anderson.  For what it’s Werth, I have Anderson down for 14 HRs and 25 SBs and a .277 average, but at least I have Anderson ranked in front of Dansby.  Why do I hate Dansby so much?  He sounds like he owns a yacht and has a wife named Muffy; those are awesome things!  Oh, and I gave you a Tim Anderson sleeper, because I care.

Chris Owings (ESPN/Yahoo NR) I should’ve prolly mentioned this in the lede, but shortstops are like a zaftig-figured Billy Butler.  Heavy up top, but much lighter on the bottom.  Shortstop sleepers this year are a lot less interesting so it makes it doubly important to draft a top one.  By the by, you thought you sounded drunk saying ‘Drury?’  Try saying doubly.  You sound so sauced.  As for Owings, 7-homer, 20-steal guy that is going undrafted, and being ranked below Ketel Marte, who is ticketed for the minors.

Jorge Polanco (ESPN/Yahoo NR) What would be a blurb in the shortstops to target post without a mention of Dansby?  Owings’ blurb.  But since I’m on the subject that I won’t let go, Polanco’s ZiPs projections: 63/11/67/.269/11; Dansby’s projections: 71/12/64/.253/7.  Looks tomato-tomato said with different emphasis.  Because we all love the supremely goofy ESPN projections, Polanco’s projections are 48/8/52/.263/13 in 501 ABs.  48 runs from a guy in the two hole on a major league team?  I mean, the Twins are one of the saddest teams ever, but c’mon.  They scored the 16th most runs last year, about the same as the Astros.

Orlando Arcia (ESPN 255, Yahoo NR)  But compared to Dansby!  Kidding, I’m done with the misplaced Dansby hate.  I don’t hate him, I just think it’s funny how obscene Klara Bell’s ranking of Dansby is.  Any hoo!  I was all over Arcia last year like white on Trump supporters, but this year I’m much more blasé, which is not the beverage of choice for rappers.  “The Moet and blasé keep me pissy.”  That’s Biggie Smalls being misquoted.  So, why less enthusiastic about Arcia this year?  Honestly, no real idea.  He’s still a 10-15 HR, 20+ steal, .255+ guy and could hit in the two hole if Broxton stumbles.  Hey, I’ve just talked myself into liking Arcia again!  Sweet!

 
  1. Beware the Shit Rope says:
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    got 2 leagues with openings:

    1. yahoo league:
    20 team h2h redraft 2 spots left in yahoo (free)
    rosters:
    1 of every hitting spot with 3 OF (any type OF), 1 util, 4 SP, 2 RP, 3 P, 5 BN, 2 DL. 80 adds max per year (about 4 per week, so very small amount here)

    scoring:
    runs, hits, HR, RBI, steals, BB’s, total bases, AVG, slugging, OPS, IP, wins, complete games, shutouts, saves, K’s, holds, ERA, WHIP, QS

    draft will be random order (not announced till right before draft as yahoo is wont to do) and is scheduled for sunday 19th at 1 PM eastern.

    2. espn league:
    espn 14 team h2h keep 9 just starting (draft 26th at 4 PM eastern)

    random snake draft, order determined once league fills.

    rosters: 1 of each hitting slot (exact LF/CF/RF), 1 each CI/MI, 1 4th any OF, 1 util. 5 SP, 2 P, 3 RP, 6 BN, 3 DL

    scoring: 7×7 with OBP replacing AVG, OPS and total bases added. QS and holds added.

    minimum 30 innings per week. maximum 12 starts per week. 7 adds max per week (no season max).

    keepers: 2 OF, 1 each of 3 other kind of hitting positions, 2 SP, 2 RP per year.

    • Beware the Shit Rope says:
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      @Beware the Shit Rope: the espn league takes advantage of the “players lock at EACH team’s gametime” which i didn’t know till right now existed in espn. so it’s like yahoo’s “daily-today” setting, as opposed to RCL’s, wherein if a player gets scratched in a late game you cannot go to FA for a replacement for that day. here you can.

      • MRegan says:
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        @Beware the Shit Rope:
        Sorry, not so, ROSTER locks with first game, PLAYERS lock at individual game time. Would be cool, though.

        • Beware the Shit Rope says:
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          @MRegan: crap, yeah i thought that meant roster slot (each separately) locks at each player’s game time (which is what occurs in yahoo, or fantrax)

  2. Dom says:
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    Follow up to a question from yesterday. We start 5 OF and 2 Utility. Also, 7 of my 10 players are on the last year of their contract, including Cano.

    I’m in a 10 team, 5×5 roto, 10-player keeper league.

    My infield is set with Votto, Cano, Correa, Story and Bryant. I have one OF with Harper. SP are Darvish and Carrasco with Jansen and Giles as RP.

    In the draft it looks like I’m going to have a choice between Odor and JD Martinez.

    I know you love Odor, but do you take him over JD knowing that you have to slot him at Utility?

    Who would you then target in the 2nd round between Kylse Seager, Polanco, and Rendon… knowing if I go 3B, I can move Bryant to the OF?

    Or with Carrasco’s injury do I know look SP with Lester or Cueto most likely available?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Dom: This isn’t a followup, I answered this yesterday

      • Dom says:
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        @Grey: yesterday you asked how many OF, 3 or 5. I responded, 5, but you didn’t respond to that. I thought you missed it so I followed up today.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Oh, did I? I just remember your Odor/JD question… You shouldn’t fill your UTIL that early is what it comes down to… Especially not with 5 OFs needed

          • Dom says:
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            @Grey: thanks. Any thoughts on the second round?

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              I’d look at my rankings about Seager, Polanco and Rendon

  3. Packers says:
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    I’d go Odor because of his age and losing Cano next year as my 1st pick.
    2nd pick go bat again, l like K. Seager but Polonco offers speed which you don’t have much of.
    In a 10 teamer just having Darvish and your 2 closers is fine to start your draft.

  4. Max says:
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    I guess the Swanson ranking depends a lot of what you think his ceiling is. I am comfortable drafting him at 110-130 because for me he is a Bogaerts lite, only with less power.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Max: So, 15 HR, 10 SBs and .315?

  5. jack says:
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    Keeper league question: I’m having a hard time deciding between Danny Duffy and Mazara for my last keeper slot. Please convince me that Mazara’s potential is more valuable that Duffy’s present value.

    • JeF WiTh 1 F says:
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      @jack: Duffy would be the guy to keep but the makeup of your roster/league would help .

  6. RicoSuave says:
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    Thanks for the great work Grey!

    16 team h2h points league(re-draft)

    Semien or Jose Peraza?

    Wil Myers or Carlos Santana?

    Thanks

  7. Agree with you re: boy-toy Dansby. And not just about his yuppie name. I’d rather have old, boring & reliable Branford Crawford. Please help me with my last keeper pick: I have to gamble on one of these SPs. But which one? Alex Wood, LAD, Trevor Rosenthal, STL, Anthony DeSclafani, CIN, Jason Hammel, KC, or Brandon Finnegan, CIN? Thank you!!!

      • @Grey: Thanks for Alex Wood response. V. interesting. I was thinking same….

  8. A TreaTur Among Us says:
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    I have my two drafts on Sunday and I’m contemplating my first round pick in each;

    14-Team H2H 6×6 (added OPS and HLD) (Keep 9 + 2 Rookies every year)
    Keepers – Blackmon, Story, Bregman, McCutchen, BHamilton, Swanson, Margot, Carrasco, Gausman, Urias, Jansen
    1st Rd Pick goes to: Hosmer, Sano, Franco, or Maeda?

    14-Team H2H 5×5 (OBP instead of AVG) (Keep 6 next year) (Traded away 2nd and 5th rd draft pick in this draft)
    Keepers – Betts, Bogaerts, TTurner, JDMartinez, Strasburg
    1st Rd Pick goes to: CSantana, Rendon, Verlander, or Carrasco?

  9. SAll Goooood, Man says:
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    As intriguing as some of these names are, I really hope the draft unfolds to have all MI spots from the top-heavy group. They’re all just so sexy.

  10. Bodacious Taters says:
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    Although not SS eligible in all Leagues, Jose Reyes still intrigues me . . .
    Loved your Trayf reference yesterday, looking forward to learning how you will work Chometz into your comments.

  11. Bill says:
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    Hey, Grey! Great stuff as usual. Need a little help. 5 X 5 8-Team Keep Forever with OBP. We get to keep 9. I am keeping Harper, Lindor, Votto, Desmond, Polanco, Myers and Scherzer for sure.

    Pick TWO from the following: Pollock, Kluber, Darvish, Yelich, Benintendi, Dahl, Strasburg.

    Thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Bill: Benintendi, Darvish –could see Kluber, Pollock though too

  12. jack florida says:
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    last night went to see Pineda, here is what i saw

    very cool night in Florida , game temp was 52, 46 by the end of the game.

    i sat behind home plate, umpire had a very generous strike zone, which benefited Buchholtz more than Pineda, in my opinion. also, i must note, they do not show any radar numbers at Steinbrenner field, but i would say a lot of mid 90’s.

    Pineda had five perfect innings, 8k, 5 ground outs, 2 fly outs, location was right on all night, two hard hit balls , both by Franco, that was it.

    i was already targeting him per Grey, but i will be attempting to get him everywhere.

  13. G says:
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    Hey Grey,

    So I asked a version of this question to you about a month ago when all the keepers in my League were not fully announced. So it’s a 12 team h2h 7×7 category daily league which adds OBP And TB to hitting and Losses and Holds to pitching. 48 guys are kept, 4 keepers per team.

    I have great keepers with Arenado (10th rd), Correa (9th), Trea Turner who has 2b/OF elig (11th), and Machado in the 5th.

    I have the 11th overall pick in a snake and My question concerns my first four picks and strategy. In the 1st and 2nd round (13th overall pick) I will like have the following players available to choose from, minus 1 or 2 of these guys depending how the team in 12 spot drafts: Votto, Marte, Encarnacion, Odor, Sale, Madbum, and Kluber. There’s a notable drop off in hitting and pitching when it comes back around to me in round 3/4 where hitters like Polanco, Frazier, Carlos Santana, Hosmer and pitchers like Salazar, Cole, Hamels, Quintana are around.

    You initially recommended i go the SP/Hitter combo route in first two rounds. But now that I know Odor isn’t being kept surprisingly (although his value is hurt by OBP) it’s very tempting to take him and one of Marte, Encarnacion, and Votto. And then go two pitchers in 3rd and 4th. Just concerned if I’m risking it with no pitcher at that point. On the other hand I can go SP/hitter in first two rounds, starting my rotation with Sale or Kluber, and take two more hitters in rounds 3 and 4. Or would you go SP/hitter again? Thoughts on best strategy considering my players being kept and the more shallow player pool? Sorry for rambling, thanks as always.

    • G says:
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      @G:
      Small edit/typo. My second overall pick is 14th overall not 13th

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @G: You should take a SP by your fifth/6th pick, if you want to push it to 7th, I won’t fight you on it… Just know, your pitching is going to be weaker than other teams

      • G says:
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        @Grey: i def agree and I plan on taking an SP by the 3rd round the latest in this league with so many players gone. But would you lean towards taking an SP with one of my first or second picks considering the hitting and SP options likely available then versus round 3/4 ? I know it’s a tough question to answer completely. Thanks as always

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          I’d make sure I had a decent pitcher

  14. Runner says:
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    Grey,
    Do you still drink daiquiris?
    Straight up, who do you like better this year regardless of roster needs/pt system: Meyers, Trumbo, Polanco, or Santana?

  15. Son

    Son says:
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    Ah schiznits! The Razzball Son signal went up again. Piece has been submitted.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Son: You better have dotted your I’s, and crossed your T’s and dotted-slash-hooked your semi-colons!

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Grey: and don’t forget those damn eclipses!

  16. Charles says:
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    Grey, I’ve come here to repent. I was seduced by Rudy’s $ values that were so high on Kershaw. And I drafted from my phone while chasing after my kids. I am here to ask your forgiveness. I’m planning to actively stream SPs. What feedback can you give me about this RCL squad?

    C Perez (19.222)
    1B Freeman (2.19)
    2B Gordon (5.54)
    3B Beltre (6.67)
    SS Nunez (15.174)
    MI LeMahieu (9.102)
    CI A Gonzalez (13.150)
    OF Stanton (3.30)
    OF C Gonzalez (4.43)
    OF JUpton (7.78)
    OF Cain (12.139)
    OF Ellsbury (18.211)
    UTIL Choo (23.270)
    BN Guerriel (24.283)

    SP Kershaw (1.6)
    SP Price (11.126)
    SP Keuchel (14.163)
    SP Ray (17.198)
    SP T Walker (20.235)
    SP Cobb (25.294)
    RP WDavis (8.91)
    RP AMiller (10.115)
    RP Kelley (16.187)
    RP Madson (21.246)
    RP Rodney (22.259)

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Charles: I don’t you ask Rudy! Kidding, you look weak on AVG, power and SBs, and you’re gonna love the end of your hitting for about three days into the season… Your pitching is a mess after Kershaw

  17. Pete says:
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    Grey
    6×6 league with OPS. Bryant or Goldschmidt?

  18. TonyStark says:
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    10 team keeper league (40 players kept total). I have Votto on 1 yr rental, Rendon 2yrs, Benintendi 3yrs and Story 4yrs going into draft. I have picks 2, 12 and 22 in first 3 rounds. Bryant, Arenado, Donaldson, Turner, Correa, Freeman, Springer, Blackmon, Marte, Lindor, Bogaerts, Seager are all gone from your top 30. 6×6 (OPS & QS) – C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, MI, IF, LF, CF, RF, OF, Util, SP, SP, SP, P, P, P, RP, RP, RP, 5 bench.

    What’s a nice pairing at 2 and 12, what should I try to target at 22?

    Also might be able to flip 12 for Marte going in.

  19. Matt says:
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    Completely off-topic question-I’m in a H2H points league that favors pitching (QS is a category so efficiency counts). I own Blake Snell-is he worth trading for an early rookie draft pick (I’d be able to pick up Kopesh orAlvarez with the pick and use the open roster spot to stream SP). Snell is really high upside, which gives me pause. But he doesn’t seem to have made any progress with his control in an entire off season…

  20. Tweak says:
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    Good stuff, Grey. I guess we were thinking along the same lines at SS. We drafted last night in one of JB’s leagues and, after I sniped Story from him in rd2 (pick #18), I ended up with Semien (#186) at MI and Jorge Polanco (#271) on the bench. I almost went for Arcia, but I’ve got him in a couple of dynasty leagues and wanted some variety. I think Polanco is the better bat between him and Arcia; however, Arcia is the better base stealer and defender, so I think his hold on his everyday position (and thus, total ABs) is better than Polanco’s.

    OF ended up with JDongs (#31), G Polanco (#42), Joc (#127), Mazara (#162) and Grichuk (#199). Punted on SBs, but something’s gotta give. Maybe Joc goes 30/30. Thanks to the War Room, I think that’s a solid enough OF for the pick range.

  21. Matt Has Ideas says:
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    Grey! So glad to be back on board with Razzball nations. Enjoying your write-ups so far.

    I know this is more of a Rudy question but… Will the downloadable War Room excel spreadsheet be available this year?

    – Matt

  22. Ante Galic says:
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    Grey!!!

    Loved the write-up.

    Definitely some nuggets here. Timmy Anderson definitely shines the brightest.

    Cheers,
    Ante

        • J-FOH says:
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          @Grey: my little orphan Annie decoder ring tells me this says either says “code red get me out of here now” or ” I’m backed up and shouldn’t have gone for the second helping of cole slaw”

      • Ante Galic says:
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        @Grey: Grey!!!

        a. Thanks so much for caring, man!!

        b. Yeah, I had a brain fart and thought just to keep it to a minimum today. I prolly should have done that more often in the past.

        c. Jack’s right. At that precise moment I was completely swamped with work. Just jumped out of what I was doing 20 minutes ago to take a breather and see what’s up in razzball nation!

        Cheers,
        Ante

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          C. Understood, no worries!

  23. The waffler says:
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    Harrison bader, roman Quinn, nick Williams 2017-2018?

  24. Big Magoo

    Big Magoo says:
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    Picked up Swanson at pick #211 overall in a draft last night. His ADP is 185 right now while Anderson’s is way higher at 160, so the NFBCers are definitely higher on those two than the ESPN/Yahoo crowd.

    As for Swanson, I think that the people who are bullish on him see the offensive upside, particularly the power potential, while the bearish ones are just looking at his minor league stats. Those bears are probably the same ones who never thought that Lindor would hit for double digit power in the big leagues since he didn’t do so as a skinny 20 year old in the minors. I never understood that way of thinking.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Big Magoo: You know most the ESPN and Yahoo crowd don’t follow NFBC

      So, you’re saying Swanson is a 20+ homer guy?

      • Big Magoo

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        @Grey: I think he’s a 20+ homer guy eventually. Probably more of a .275/15/15 guy right now. Should score 80+ runs if he sticks in the two hole (that’s what she said). Definitely has some interesting upside though.

        Put my money where my mouth was and didn’t draft a CI until the 3rd round yesterday. Still ended up with Freeman, Myers, and Beltre as my corners. Pretty happy with that.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Sound like solid floor guys on CI…. Dansby looks like a 9-12 homer guy watching him… He looks more like a 20 steal guy than a 20 homer guy… Have you watched him bat?

          • Big Magoo

            Big Magoo says:
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            @Grey: Yeah, I’ve seen him a few times. Seems like a gap-to-gap line drive hitter rather than a power guy right now, but he has some pop. Definitely agree with you that he’s more likely to reach that 20 steal mark before the homer one.

            I didn’t realize that you were an Addison Russell guy. You have him pretty high in your rankings. Was able to snag him in the 13th round last night. Didn’t really target him but he was a perfect fit for my roster at that point. You think he goes 25/90 this year?

            • Grey

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              Yeah, I like Addison… You watch him and he looks like a 25+ homer guy, plus throw in good park and lineup… Big fan, he’s gonna to breakout this year

              • Big Magoo

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                @Grey: Hope so! He hit some bombs in the postseason. Gotta think that .238 average comes up a bit too.

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Wanna laugh? I just drafted Sandoval

                  • Big Magoo

                    Big Magoo says:
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                    @Grey: Panda sighting! What round are you in?

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      23rd

                  • Big Magoo

                    Big Magoo says:
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                    @Grey: That’s a good pick there. You’re almost at the point where you’re gonna have to double check Julio Franco’s player page.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      HA!

                  • Cram It says:
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                    @Grey: Don’t tell me he’s your CI.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      @Cram, 2nd bench bat

                  • Cram It says:
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                    @Grey: Dang, I’m waiting for my 21st pick and I don’t have my whole offense filled out yet.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      I don’t either, missing one catcher

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Extra guys to fill in for injuries is more important than a catcher that will get 10 HRs and hit .230

                  • Cram It says:
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                    @Grey: Here here. I have one. I am looking at D’Arnaud but I don’t think I can do it.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      D’arnaud’s been gone in mine… I’m staring down barrel of Cervelli and don’t even care

                  • Cram It says:
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                    @Grey: Catchers haven’t been going I guess. 2 teams still don’t have one. And less than half have 2. Although one guy took Posey and Lucroy back to back in 3 and 4. Nutty.

          • Ralph Lifshitz

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            @Grey: I agree with Magoo, you’re selling the power short. You’re also overselling the stolen bases. He’s an efficient basestealer, he’ll rarely get caught, but he’ll never run like crazy.

            • Grey

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              Magoo said 15 HRs, and he’ll get 20 bases stolen before power

              • Ralph Lifshitz

                Ralph Lifshitz says:
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                @Grey: He said 20 eventually, you said 9 homers. I could hit 9 homers. You’ve pretty much said that Margot, Swanson, and Benintendi have the same power.

                Then again I forgot, I know nothing about these players….

          • Big Magoo

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            @J-FOH: Little boy blew… he needed the money!

            • J-FOH says:
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              @Big Magoo: OH!

              I would love to hear your thoughts on Wilson Contreras. I’m not a believer and have had some interesting discussions about him with a few others. Also, you should post your NFBC draft for us and note this is not the NFBC that Razzball plays in so the readers don’t get confused….they get easily confused

              • Big Magoo

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                @J-FOH: I think Contreras is a 15-18 homer guy with a .270ish average. Pretty solid for a catcher, but Montero will see some time behind the dish, and Schwarber might even see the occasional start back there too. There’s no room for him in the outfield on his days “off” either since the Cubs are loaded there. Going a little too high for me in fantasy this year.

              • Big Magoo

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                @J-FOH: I don’t know if I can post a screen shot here, so I’ll just long-hand my roster:

                C: Vogt, Leon, W. Ramos
                1B: Freeman
                2B: Altuve
                SS: A. Russell
                3B: Beltre
                OF: C. Gonzalez, A. Jones, O. Herrera, C. Gomez, M. Holliday, Jankowski
                MI: Swanson
                CI: W. Myers
                Util: K. Morales, Moreland

                SP: Sale, Hendricks, Paxton, Smyly, Shoemaker, Cotton, Guerra, Montgomery, Hammel, Triggs
                RP: K. Herrera, C. Allen, Treinen

                Went for a low WHIP foundation on the pitching side since I plan on streaming two-start SPs throughout the season, and a balanced approach leaning a bit more towards power on offense. Didn’t end up with any 40 homer guys, but there are a bunch of 25-30 homer players on this roster. Couldn’t resist a Ramos stash since I got him so late (25th round) and I don’t expect much out of Leon. Thoughts?

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  You love the floors! Ha, solid team, Magoo… I love the value upside pitching staff… I’m thinking Triggs in my NFBC, he’s literally a floor SP

                  • Big Magoo

                    Big Magoo says:
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                    @Grey: Ha, thanks! Guess I’ll be watching a lot of AL West games this year, huh?

                    Floors win, Grey. Floors win. That’s one thing that I’ve noticed when scouring the championship rosters in this format over the past few years. Here’s what my projected starting offense produced last year:

                    .278 BA, 993 R, 295 HR, 1028 RBI, 120 SB

                    That’s with Swanson’s cup of coffee and the shortened seasons of Gomez/Holliday included (bench bats of Ramos, Jankowski, and Moreland not included). I’ll be SAGNOFing Jankowski and/or waiver wire help to pump up the steals a bit too.

                    Triggs was my last pick. There was nothing terribly interesting left on the board, so I took a flier. I’ll give him a start or two to see what he’s got.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Didn’t you bank on a Car-Gomez bounce back last year? I can see floors being helpful there, surprises you and Rudy didn’t work out better, he loves floors too

                  • Big Magoo

                    Big Magoo says:
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                    @Grey: The joint leagues were kind of a cluster because there was no focused strategy. Basically just combined my rankings with Rudy’s and took input from everyone, so the results were all over the place. Missed on some key mid-round targets like DeShields, Liriano, and Pineda. Finished in the money in one league but definitely didn’t do as well as expected.

                    Gomez was my bad. I expected a bounce back which never happened. Got him much cheaper this year, obviously. Needed a bit of speed and just missed out on Broxton a couple of rounds earlier.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Yeah, it’s hard to co-manage, even if on exact same page 95% of time…. But why this year on Gomez?

                  • Big Magoo

                    Big Magoo says:
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                    @Grey: I’m not as high on Gomez as I used to be, but I think he still has a 20/20 skillset. That’s rare. His bat seemed to wake up with Texas last year. Hit 8 homers and stole 5 bases with a .284/.362/.543 line in 33 games with them to close out the year. It looks like he has a chance to lead off as well. Got him at pick 174 yesterday. Think the risk/reward is worth it at that point.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Yeah, I guess, but risk/reward at that point can be said same of Ellsbury, Gardner, or a host of others…

                  • Big Magoo

                    Big Magoo says:
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                    @Grey: Apples and oranges. Ellsbury’s a speed guy who’s not that fast anymore and Gardner’s a high floor guy who found the trapdoor. Gomez is still a potential 20/20 guy; you just can’t count on him doing that. His price reflects that this year though.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      I guess I just don’t see Gomez as a 20/20 guy anymore… Maybe 15/15/.240, which would actually be good for him considering his last two years

                  • Big Magoo

                    Big Magoo says:
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                    @Grey: Yeah, could be. Looked good in Texas though. I think his health has been an issue over the last couple of seasons, and he finally started to get over that late in the year. We’ll see though. He’s definitely risky.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Yeah, hope he works out for you, I prolly won’t have any shares this year, but I’d love to see the Big Magoo take down a jackpot

                  • Big Magoo

                    Big Magoo says:
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                    @Grey: What a coincidence – I’d love to see that too! Haha, thanks!

                    I’m diggin Drew Smyly this year. Feeling good about landing him as my SP4. Did you see his last start in the WBC? Velocity was up and he dominated a tough Venezuelan lineup. Hope he doesn’t pull a Pineda on me.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Yeah, I liked the move to Mariners, feels like a solid floor now, with a tad bit of upside

                • Beware the Shit Rope says:
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                  @Big Magoo: that is good if these are 15 teamers (i think so)

  25. Slimbo says:
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    hey grey need to keep 4 in my dynasty who would you go with?

    dahl, bregman, buxton, mazara, c mart, cole, Taillon or giolito

    thanks

  26. TK says:
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    Mr. Grey, just a heads up that you’ve got a really annoying new ad on the site. For the last week or two on iPad, every time I click on an article it loads about 80% of the way and then is replaced by a full screen ad and pop up about how “This is your lucky day!” And I’ve been selected to receive a $100 gift card.

    I close the pop up, hit back page, and it takes me to the main razzball page again…which loads 80% of the way and the damn ad comes back. It’s not something that can be closed, it loads and replaces the webpage from your site so back button or force closing the browser is the only way to make it disappear. Just thought you might wanna know cuz it’s seriously annoying.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’ve never seen or heard this before, but I will look into it…Obviously shouldn’t be there

  27. J-FOH says:
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    I finally gave in and started watching game of thrones. One of my closest friends finally got to me while we were playing multiplayer Titanfall 2 on the PS4. Wait that’s irrelevant. Anyways I still doze off sometimes because well, some characters start to bore me but on the whole its really good. Some of the best power watching I have done. 4 seasons in two weeks and should be done by the end of this weekend with all 6. Oddly I can see the appeal of this show for Tehol, he’s a total Lannister. He would fit in perfect with them.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      You see Red Wedding yet?

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Grey: I did and to be honest it didn’t bother me. Robb Stark was starting to bore me with his wifey making him soft. I was more pissed they killed his dire wolf. And his mom was blah. You could see the foreshadowing when his wife told him how she couldn’t wait for him to meet his mother. Yeah he was destined to die. I pretty much wait around for any scene with Peter Dinklage or the mother of dragons. Two best characters IMHO. BTW, every time Tywin Lannister comes on screen I would say Brother Numpsay….am I the only one?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Your IMHO is so not H…. Brother Numpsay! Ha! Dinklage is so awesome, def highlight… I like The King Slayer too

          • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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            @J-FOH: @Grey: Dinklage’s trial speech was possibly my favorite moment of the entire series.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              I liked when Carcetti boned Varys — kidding, JFOH!

              • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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                @Grey: I will never be able to call him anything but Carcetti. Just like I will automatically say “Shhheeeeeeeett” every time I see Isiah Whitlock.

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Agreed, and the affair was better when it was McNulty and the lawyer

                  • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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                    @Grey: Ha. Now that I think about it, I call pretty much all of the actors by their Wire name. They may be amazing actors, but they’ll still be Omar and Stringer Bell to me.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Luther is always Stringer Bell

            • J-FOH says:
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              @Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: I don’t know about favorite for me. Him shooting his dad in the crapper was awesome

              • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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                @J-FOH: I don’t want to say any other parts because I’m not sure what seasons they are from.

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Same, hard to remember seasons

          • J-FOH says:
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            @Grey: the H is all auto correct. Stupid iPhone selling me all wrong. The king skaters evolution has been great. No spoilers though I still have two seasons to finish

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              I know, I hate spoilers, I respect the no spoiler rule… you should go back and watch the wire still too

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Not into fantasy shows either, btw, and I love GoT

  28. Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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    Hey Grey – in my keeper league I traded my $9 Desmond for a $10 JD and $5 Hill a week before the injury. Desmond wasn’t kept and is now available for drafting.

    With the news that Desmond might be ready as soon as April, how much would you for him in this keeper format?

    I love the discount here and the extra intangible bragging right value of reacquring the guy I traded away. Thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Prolly go to around $12-15

      • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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        @Grey: thanks!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          No, thank you! You know for what!

    • MattTruss

      MattTruss says:
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      Duda – Any interest in an RCL this year? Not sure if you play in them or not. We’re trying to get three more spots filled in the frequent commenter league. You’re very frequent, therefore, you qualify! Let me know if you’re interested.

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        Is it part of the FCL rule that you don’t ask guys directly that they have to see a random comment?

        • MattTruss

          MattTruss says:
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          Not sure I follow. Isn’t replying to one of their threads about as direct as I can get?

          • Grey

            Grey says:
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            Sorry! I was on my phone, misspoke!

        • The Great Knoche says:
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          @Grey: It should be

      • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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        @MattTruss: Matt! Thanks for the invite. Razzball’s one of the highlights of my morning routine for sure, but alas I’ll have to regrettably pass Ben though it sounds fun. I’m already in 1 daily and 2 weekly lineup leagues (plus the whole work and family thing !) so I wouldn’t be a very attentive or active

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      “Rockies manager Bud Black confirmed Thursday that Ian Desmond (hand) is expected to join the active roster before the end of April.”

      Come back, my constant.
      I have another week to decide. Keep for $18 / $300 or throw him back into auction.
      Prolly keeping now.

      • Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey says:
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        @Moneyball: yeah don’t buy what any coach says about this, it’s a broken hand, these are 6-8 week injuries, with best case scenario he gets useful at bats starting like late may, not start of may. might he get about 20 days of awful at bats that may injure him further, sure, if that’s the way the coach wants to play it.

  29. Dorian S. says:
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    Heya Grey and Razzball team! Thanks as always for the wonderful work you guys do. :D It always helps me out when I’m making my baseball decisions.

    And yes, here I am again. Wondering if you wouldn’t mind helping me out with a bit of a dilemma. I’m looking at the waivers and seeing some decent options for bench slots. Sadly, we only get four and I’ve stocked up on probably too many OFers and maybe not the right ones.

    My league roster size is C/1B/2B/3B/SS/3OF/UT/4SP/2RP/UP/4BN. Scoring is R, HR, RBI, SB, OBP, SLG, W, SV, Strikeouts, HLD, ERA, WHIP.

    As for what currently is on waivers, I think these are the only people of interest for hitting: Mike Moustakas {3B}, Eugenio Suarez {3B}, Ryan Schimpf {2B/3B}, Yuli Gurriel {3B} (should get 1B), Kevin Kiermaier {OF}, Greg Bird {1B}, Justin Bour {1B}, Manuel Margot {OF}, Cameron Rupp {C}, Devin Mesoraco {C}, Wilson Ramos {C}

    For pitching: Jeanmar Gomez {RP}, Santiago Castilla {RP}, Ryan Madson {RP}, Brandon Kintzler {RP}, Tyson Ross {SP}, Tyler Anderson {SP}, Daniel Norris {SP}, Ervin Santana {SP}, Jason Vargas {SP}.

    So here’s my current roster after my draft finished up:
    C – Kyle Schwarber {C/OF}
    1B – Tommy Joseph {1B}
    2B – Rougned Odor {2B}
    3B – Manny Machado {3B/SS}
    SS – Carlos Correra {SS}
    OF – George Springer {OF}
    OF – Gregory Polanco {OF}
    OF – Randal Grichuk {OF}
    UT – Trevor Story {SS}
    SP – Justin Verlander {SP}
    SP – Masahiro Tanaka {SP}
    SP – Carlos Carrasco {SP}
    SP – Lance McCullers Jr. {SP}
    RP – Fernando Rodney {RP}
    UP – Aaron Nola {SP}
    BN – Jedd Gyorko {1B/2B/3B/SS}
    BN – Devon Travis {2B} (drafted him instead of an RP)
    BN – Domingo Santana {OF}
    BN – Nomar Mazara {OF}
    BN – Max Kepler {OF}

    Out of those groups an RP is necessary, Kiermaier is probably a better option then Kepler or Grichuk (probably), Bird is a very nice thing to acquire (that Yankees lineup) but I’ve no idea who I’d get rid of, Daniel Norris to cover for if Carrasco goes down or when another pitcher of mine does, and Eugenio Suarez is like taking candy away from everyone else at this point. Domingo is going to nail bombs, Mazara’s a great keeper option, Devon could be awesome…

    I realize that these guys probably won’t make my starting lineup (besides the RP), but frankly, I want to score the best bench possible. or am I just being greedy and wanting all the nice toys?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Why do you have 5 bench bats?

      • Dorian S. says:
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        @Grey: I picked up Devon Travis over an RP as my pick was way way later. I also didn’t realize Jeanmar and Kintzler were closers, and figured since my league never cares about HLDS I could just grab one of them. Still can.

        As for why I don’t have like some better balance like 2 hitters and 2 pitchers, I got unlucky and people stocked up on pitching when I couldn’t make any picks due to traded picks and/or keeper values. I took what I figured was best available hitters and just went with it.

        Sort of my price for obtaining Carlos Correra and Trevor Story during this past off-season.

  30. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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    I’d like my book sent to me in Portuguese braille. Thank you.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Only have English Braille…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      BTW, I love feeling the Braille word for boobs

      • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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        @Grey: Thank you kindly! It feels like a bag of sand.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Ha, a gorgeous bag of sand

  31. maximumxpower says:
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    Who should I keep? I keep 5, it’s a roto league. I know the obvious ones but not really into Stanton after the last couple years, or Abreu for that matter.

    Nolan Arenado
    Rougned Odor
    Jonathan Villar
    Mike Trout
    Giancarlo Stanton
    Carlos Correa
    Jose Abreu

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Not Abreu, Stanton

  32. Ralph Lifshitz

    Ralph Lifshitz says:
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    I don’t trust Bud Black and his end of April timeline. Last year I heard all about David Peralta only missing a few days.

    • Big Magoo

      Big Magoo says:
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      @Ralph Lifshitz: Yup, agreed. I still see Desmond’s best-case scenario as sometime around Memorial Day. It could actually make things worse if they try to rush him back.

      • Ralph Lifshitz

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        @Big Magoo: I’d almost prefer a knee tweak or an oblique, or leg injury to a hand/wrist/forearm thing. Rockies are dying slowly in Spring Training.

          • Ralph Lifshitz

            Ralph Lifshitz says:
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            @Grey: At this point I’m really hoping for an injury to Parra. Need some Tapia Time!!!! in my life.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              I think that’s a dog with different fleas

              • Ralph Lifshitz

                Ralph Lifshitz says:
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                @Grey: I own him in a lot of dynasty leagues. At least Tapia has upside.

    • Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey says:
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      @Ralph Lifshitz: thank god for one of the writers around here saying this out loud (got one guy claiming he’ll be out “1-2 weeks of season”)

  33. The Great Knoche says:
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    Since I missed out earlier, dropping my 4 cents on Dansby.

    It’s a better name for one of these guys than a baseball player

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTU2He2BIc0

    I think his biggest upside is on power, and we may see it emerge (Like Lindor) this year or next. He is also hitting at the top of a rapidly improving Braves lineup and is going to play everyday. Im guessing 90ish runs, so at pick 200, that makes me giddy.

    Thinking .280/90/18/70/15 I’d take that flyer over Timmay who could possibly end up in the minors if he doesn’t perform at the dish.

  34. henncoop says:
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    In a 12 team dynasty league using yahoo settings 6X6 roto with OPS & QS with a pretty solid team.
    We are able to keep 25 players to fill 30 roster spots incl 5 NA
    Definitely keeping Arenado, Goldy, Correa, JD, Myers, K Davis, Lucroy, Segura, Schoop, & Franco as bats
    Keeping Thor, Archer, Kendricks, Cole, Diaz, Oh,& K Herrera
    I have 8 spots left to fill unless I can make some trades very quickly.
    for bats my choices are: Dahl, D.Santana, B Hamilton,T Murphy, Kipnis, Altherr, & Arcia.
    For arms: Hill, Shoemaker, Cotton, Pineda, Smyly, Weaver, Zych. Fedde, Beede, Giolito, R Lopez, Montas, Gonsalves & the injured DeSclafani.

    I figure these are deep rosters & dynasty league so Dahl seems like a no-brainer.
    I feel like with Kipnis hurt; he could be cut loose. I’d like to see what D Santana does in a full season if healthy. I have a nice stable of young arms but I can’t keep them all

    Any suggestions from Dr Grey or the Razzball Nation?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Dahl, D.Santana, B Hamilton, Kipnis, Hill, Shoemaker, Cotton, Pineda

  35. Jp says:
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    Grey-quick question on D Travis. Like you I am higher than the rest on him and think he will be fine. I am in a roto 4×4 he is at $2 for 2017. I could extend him and he would be $7 for 2017 and 2018 or I could extend him to $12 for 2017, 2018 and 2019. Do you suggest I enjoy and reap the rewards at $2 for just this year or extend? It is a 13 team AL only. I was thinking I would go $7 for this year and next. Thanks for your thoughts.

  36. Roger Podacter says:
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    Shortstop lover,
    Got a Riggs need a Glover,
    Tell me Albi what do you gotta say?

    He said you sin’t seen nothin,
    we aint’ looking for no buntin’,
    Want a stop with a bat that plays,

    Wasn’t looking for a Jeter,
    he’s a slapper not a beater,
    Want a sleeper who can clear the fence,

    So you think you got a Trump,
    but you’re worried he’s a chump,
    so you go ahead and look for your Pence, it’s not dense.

    *guitar riff*

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Damn, you took it to a Rage, politico, Public Enemy, funky place!

      • Roger Podacter says:
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        @Grey: Irrationally screams, “Fuck you, I won’t do what you tell me.”

        Ahhh, angst.

  37. ScreechOwl says:
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    I’m running out of time on my keeper decisions this year! They’re locked in tonight, and I’ve been too busy following hockey.

    Anyway, 12 team dynasty league where players can be kept forever. I traded for a high draft pick in hopes of landing Shohei Otani. So that didn’t work out, and I need to use the first pick in the draft on someone else.

    So, two questions, O Great One.

    1. With the first pick in the draft (keep in mind people are keeping on average about 20 players), would you trust Matt Harvey, or would you go with a prospect like Jharel Cotton? Maybe another closer?

    2. I gotta drop some players. Would you drop any of Tyler Glasnow (he’d be my #9 starter), Dee Gordon (I already have Odor), or Billy Hamilton (not sure if 60 steals are worth losing TB, HR, and RBI)? Right now, I’m looking at cutting all three.

    Thanks as usual! I’m looking forward to another great season.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      1. Harvey of those two 2. I’d not drop any if I could, but if you have to drop one, Glasnow

      • ScreechOwl says:
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        @Grey:

        Thanks, man!

        Good luck this year! I’ll be reading every day.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Thanks, ScreechOwl!

  38. Ralph Lifshitz

    Ralph Lifshitz says:
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    Dansby vs. Benintendi who wins the battle of the best flow? These guys got hair that could make Dennis Eckersley jelly.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Not even Cashner’s nasty ass beard could make these guys look bad

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      BTW, Mrs. Ralph is gonna soon be like (if not already), “It’s me or Benintendi!”

  39. Longbeachyo says:
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    Keeper question… 12 team 6×6, OBP & K/BB (QS not W) I can keep 4 players at $20…
    Arenado – $5
    Syndergaard – $6
    JD Martinez – $8
    Segura – $2
    R. Hill – $2

    Basically, do I keep JD, or Hill and Segura???

  40. Bill Lumbergh says:
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    Grey: 14 team dynasty 5×5 – trade my Encarncion/Saladino/Kintzler for his Ozuna/KHerrera/Albies? I’ve already got Goldy & Abreu at 1B/CI. Gracias mi FML! (sorry for the abbreviation…) :-)

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Hey, cmon! Edwin side

  41. Jason says:
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    Pineda or D. Norris/Hader in a H2H, 10-team keeper? Thanks.

    • Jason says:
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      @Jason: That is Daniel Norris…

  42. Stopped in for lunch our first day in San Antonio. I’m glad this visit wasn’t my first to the Riverwalk, otherwise I would have had a very negative impression based on this restaurant. Service was slow and our server was monotone and unfriendly–impatient and unhelpful. We ordered a pitcher of margaritas which were ok. Could have been less sweet and had more tequila. The food was fine. I had two enchiladas, one beef and one chicken. The salsa they served with chips was good. The floor was FILTHY. What was most unappetizing about this place was the wildlife in the restaurant. Ducks freely roamed the restaurant, begging for food. Pigeons FLEW through the restaurant, I mean like dive bombing people–I could feel the wind from one of them when it buzzed my head–while I was eating! The table next to us left and before the table could be bussed (about 10+ minutes)–pigeons started feasting on the scraps. Disgusting, as I’m sitting at a table where some pigeons probably ate right before I did. The loss of my appetite was timed perfectly with me finishing lunch. There’s a tree right outside of Rita’s and I noticed about 10 pigeons sitting in the tree–straight out of Alfred Hitchcock’s movie, just waiting to pounce on some leftovers It’s Texas, it’s warm, it’s on water, the restaurant is open, but other places on the Riverwalk do not have this disgusting issue. Clearly, the management doesn’t care about cleanliness.

    “Ducks on the floor, pigeons on the TABLE”
    2 of 5 bubbles Reviewed November 11, 2015

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha… Thanks for the Yelp review!

      • @Grey: Haha…stumbled upon it…

        Best of luck with the book!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Thanks, Wake!

  43. Alex says:
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    I just had Keon Broxton go 70TH in a fantasy pros simulator, that has to be an error right? Or is this the hysteria that is coming…seems insane to me.

      • Alex says:
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        @Grey: No, man, like the 70th pick? Has to be some ghost in the machine…

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          The Ghost of Jim Bowden — “All 5-tool players will be mine….muahahahahahaha”

  44. Aint nothing but a Gangster Marte says:
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    @Grey,

    12 team, 5×5 roto.

    I have the 4th overall pick in the draft. I could potentially trade my 2nd, 3rd and 5th round picks for the 1st overall pick. Would you do that?

  45. YC says:
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    Hey Grey- better keeper in a keep forever: Myers or Bregman?

    Thanks!

  46. Kyle B Gurke says:
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    Hey Grey,

    Big fan, I use your ranks and projections almost exclusively.

    On that note, I see you guys put fantasy pros draft assistant up on Razzball. I already imported your ranks and projections. If I set up a cheat sheet for my 10×10 league, is fantasy pros ranks and projections similar to yours? In other words, do you think it is more beneficial to use your 5×5 ranks for my league or should I use fantasy pros custom ranks according to my 10×10.

    Thanks!

    Kyle

  47. Cram It says:
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    Ping that big galoot JB that he’s been the clock. It’s prime time!

    • Cram It says:
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      @Cram It: He showed up. Carry on.

  48. rick says:
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    6×6 ops league 12 team, 4 keepers, have segura $1, carmart $6

    deciding between donaldson $39. trumbo $6 and buxton $1

    help me with last 2?

    bryant, villar, machado, bregman, arenado, franco kept

  49. Caesar Hernandez says:
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    Grey!

    Please rank Castellanos, Billy Hamilton, and Stroman in a deep 30-team roto dynasty. I’m embarking on a tear down and rebuild of an inherited team, so overall value is more important than need. Many thanks!

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