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	<title>Comments on: Rock the Backstop &#8211; Catcher Depth is the Name of the Game in 2012</title>
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		<title>By: The Gibber</title>
		<link>http://razzball.com/rock-the-backstop-catcher-depth-is-the-name-of-the-game-in-2012/#comment-1158958</link>
		<dc:creator>The Gibber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 10:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In a 13 team mixed league where we keep 12 players (final year of 5 years keeping), I was offered Carlos Santana for Hosmer. I have Adrian Gonzolez at 1st. Hosmer was my MI. Do you take the trade?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a 13 team mixed league where we keep 12 players (final year of 5 years keeping), I was offered Carlos Santana for Hosmer. I have Adrian Gonzolez at 1st. Hosmer was my MI. Do you take the trade?</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 22:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Miguel Montero was originally a waiver catcher phenom, Avila same deal, there are always catchers. Sandoval had that one glitch year at catcher. There are other ways to get a good catcher position than reach on a top 5 guy. I&#039;m glad everyone seems to be getting the point and appreciating my insights.

Take your upside picks at other positions beside catcher, and just try to get 15-25 HRs out of your catcher spot and you&#039;ll be fine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miguel Montero was originally a waiver catcher phenom, Avila same deal, there are always catchers. Sandoval had that one glitch year at catcher. There are other ways to get a good catcher position than reach on a top 5 guy. I&#8217;m glad everyone seems to be getting the point and appreciating my insights.</p>
<p>Take your upside picks at other positions beside catcher, and just try to get 15-25 HRs out of your catcher spot and you&#8217;ll be fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronkonkoma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronkonkoma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 14:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been playing FBB for 3 years now, and I have been punting catcher each year. It has worked every year so far. 2 years ago I picked up Posey when he was called up. Last year Napoli was dropped after he was injured and I scooped him up. I have been 1st place or runnerup each year. I will definitely be using the same strategy again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been playing FBB for 3 years now, and I have been punting catcher each year. It has worked every year so far. 2 years ago I picked up Posey when he was called up. Last year Napoli was dropped after he was injured and I scooped him up. I have been 1st place or runnerup each year. I will definitely be using the same strategy again.</p>
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		<title>By: Frezdc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frezdc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 13:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@GT, last year I picked up Avila off of the waiver wire and won my league. Granted, we play in a mixed league, so there is a bigger player pool, and more options on waivers. But, stranger things have happened.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@GT, last year I picked up Avila off of the waiver wire and won my league. Granted, we play in a mixed league, so there is a bigger player pool, and more options on waivers. But, stranger things have happened.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
		<link>http://razzball.com/rock-the-backstop-catcher-depth-is-the-name-of-the-game-in-2012/#comment-1155953</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 05:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, he&#039;s not a bad option in deeper formats. Whoever invented 2 catcher leagues is sadistic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, he&#8217;s not a bad option in deeper formats. Whoever invented 2 catcher leagues is sadistic.</p>
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		<title>By: Ned Shakeshaft</title>
		<link>http://razzball.com/rock-the-backstop-catcher-depth-is-the-name-of-the-game-in-2012/#comment-1155943</link>
		<dc:creator>Ned Shakeshaft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 05:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah on the AL side I bet Torrealba could give you a fairly loud 300-350 AB for a small ;investment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah on the AL side I bet Torrealba could give you a fairly loud 300-350 AB for a small ;investment.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
		<link>http://razzball.com/rock-the-backstop-catcher-depth-is-the-name-of-the-game-in-2012/#comment-1155885</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 03:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey guys, great discussion here as usual. 

@GT, I think you missed the point a bit. My whole point is that this year, if you wait on catcher, you have better options than NICK HUNDLEY waiting for you. Plus, as others have chimed in, you CAN get lucky with a top 5 catcher off waivers. I got Napoli for a song last year, someone in everyone&#039;s league picked up Avila, etc etc etc. This year is a deep crop. I read a sporting news article tonight that called the fantasy catcher position in a state of &quot;Renaissance,&quot; and I agree.

@swagger, you mentioned a few names that didn&#039;t appear in my piece that I also like late in drafts. As I said in my post, I am not so much interested in saying the names you should target or not target, I just meant to say that you can wait and still get help at the position.

@longbawls, here here!

@steveB, exactly my point- in a shallower class last year people still did fine waiting on a catcher, and this year the class is much deeper. 

@rags and ned, I hear ya guys, I am in a 12 team 2 catcher NL only, where almost everyone is kept. We have McCann and David Ross for a combined 31 dollars. David Ross in 2 catcher formats is a pretty solid 2nd catcher that gets no love because of his &quot;backup&quot; status.

@tony- good points, McCann hits 24 HRs, Arrencibia hits 22 HRs. The only thing separating them is average, and I said in my piece that I don&#039;t value average very high because it is such a random stat and difficult to predict. 

Don&#039;t get me wrong, McCann WILL hit for higher average than Arrencibia, but that doesn&#039;t mean I am compelled enough to draft him 10 rounds higher... If I am going to draft a premium player at a position, then I had better see glaring COUNTING STAT DIFFERENCES between the top tier and the bottom tier, and this year at catcher I don&#039;t see that. I see a big wash of guys that could all hit between 15-25 HRs... Consider the dropoff in counting stat at catcher versus, let&#039;s say, outfield... big difference.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys, great discussion here as usual. </p>
<p>@GT, I think you missed the point a bit. My whole point is that this year, if you wait on catcher, you have better options than NICK HUNDLEY waiting for you. Plus, as others have chimed in, you CAN get lucky with a top 5 catcher off waivers. I got Napoli for a song last year, someone in everyone&#8217;s league picked up Avila, etc etc etc. This year is a deep crop. I read a sporting news article tonight that called the fantasy catcher position in a state of &#8220;Renaissance,&#8221; and I agree.</p>
<p>@swagger, you mentioned a few names that didn&#8217;t appear in my piece that I also like late in drafts. As I said in my post, I am not so much interested in saying the names you should target or not target, I just meant to say that you can wait and still get help at the position.</p>
<p>@longbawls, here here!</p>
<p>@steveB, exactly my point- in a shallower class last year people still did fine waiting on a catcher, and this year the class is much deeper. </p>
<p>@rags and ned, I hear ya guys, I am in a 12 team 2 catcher NL only, where almost everyone is kept. We have McCann and David Ross for a combined 31 dollars. David Ross in 2 catcher formats is a pretty solid 2nd catcher that gets no love because of his &#8220;backup&#8221; status.</p>
<p>@tony- good points, McCann hits 24 HRs, Arrencibia hits 22 HRs. The only thing separating them is average, and I said in my piece that I don&#8217;t value average very high because it is such a random stat and difficult to predict. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, McCann WILL hit for higher average than Arrencibia, but that doesn&#8217;t mean I am compelled enough to draft him 10 rounds higher&#8230; If I am going to draft a premium player at a position, then I had better see glaring COUNTING STAT DIFFERENCES between the top tier and the bottom tier, and this year at catcher I don&#8217;t see that. I see a big wash of guys that could all hit between 15-25 HRs&#8230; Consider the dropoff in counting stat at catcher versus, let&#8217;s say, outfield&#8230; big difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Ned Shakeshaft</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ned Shakeshaft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 01:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah Rags, I got a 2 catcher AL auction and everyone is coming after my $16 Wieters. 

With no offence intended to the writers here, I still think catchers are bullcrap. Last year Grey suggested I go with one guy in the $7-$10 range and a $1 guy. I ended up with Wieters ($11) and a carousel of Rays. Worked out just fine, so I&#039;ll probably flip Wieters and go with a similar strategy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Rags, I got a 2 catcher AL auction and everyone is coming after my $16 Wieters. </p>
<p>With no offence intended to the writers here, I still think catchers are bullcrap. Last year Grey suggested I go with one guy in the $7-$10 range and a $1 guy. I ended up with Wieters ($11) and a carousel of Rays. Worked out just fine, so I&#8217;ll probably flip Wieters and go with a similar strategy.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 01:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;http://razzball.com/rock-the-backstop-catcher-depth-is-the-name-of-the-game-in-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-1155565&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;steve b&lt;/a&gt;: @&lt;a href=&quot;http://razzball.com/rock-the-backstop-catcher-depth-is-the-name-of-the-game-in-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-1155555&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Long Bawls&lt;/a&gt;:   i agree, the last couple years i&#039;ve snagged up montero and avila in free agency....  and done much better than guys drafting mauer in the 1st, posey in the 4th, etc....  it all comes down to how the year unfolds, but like erik mentioned in the well-written post, i&#039;d rather gamble on an OF&#039;er who has upside to go 20-20 or 30-30 rather than a catcher who i&#039;m praying goes for 25 hrs and doesn&#039;t crush me in batting average....

I defly dont reach on catcher, but to each his own.

@&lt;a href=&quot;http://razzball.com/rock-the-backstop-catcher-depth-is-the-name-of-the-game-in-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-1155463&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;GT&lt;/a&gt;:  What feels so great about owning Mccann?  The overvaluedness of his name?  The past 3 years he&#039;s average 21-24 HR&#039;s and 75 ish RBI&#039;s...  and a .270 ish average.  That&#039;s very bleh for where you have to take him.  Don&#039;t get enamored with a name and position &quot;scarcity&quot;, so many do, it will be your downfall....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="http://razzball.com/rock-the-backstop-catcher-depth-is-the-name-of-the-game-in-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-1155565" rel="nofollow">steve b</a>: @<a href="http://razzball.com/rock-the-backstop-catcher-depth-is-the-name-of-the-game-in-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-1155555" rel="nofollow">Long Bawls</a>:   i agree, the last couple years i&#8217;ve snagged up montero and avila in free agency&#8230;.  and done much better than guys drafting mauer in the 1st, posey in the 4th, etc&#8230;.  it all comes down to how the year unfolds, but like erik mentioned in the well-written post, i&#8217;d rather gamble on an OF&#8217;er who has upside to go 20-20 or 30-30 rather than a catcher who i&#8217;m praying goes for 25 hrs and doesn&#8217;t crush me in batting average&#8230;.</p>
<p>I defly dont reach on catcher, but to each his own.</p>
<p>@<a href="http://razzball.com/rock-the-backstop-catcher-depth-is-the-name-of-the-game-in-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-1155463" rel="nofollow">GT</a>:  What feels so great about owning Mccann?  The overvaluedness of his name?  The past 3 years he&#8217;s average 21-24 HR&#8217;s and 75 ish RBI&#8217;s&#8230;  and a .270 ish average.  That&#8217;s very bleh for where you have to take him.  Don&#8217;t get enamored with a name and position &#8220;scarcity&#8221;, so many do, it will be your downfall&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Rags</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rags</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two catcher, NL-only.  Also a keeper league, where Ramos and Posey are kept.  Not quite so deep for me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two catcher, NL-only.  Also a keeper league, where Ramos and Posey are kept.  Not quite so deep for me.</p>
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		<title>By: steve b</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[well last year I got Avila in the next to last or last round on 4 or 5 teams and yadier molina in the 17th or 18th.And I did much better than the guys that reached for Mauer and Posey .I&#039;ll never take a catcher before the 15th rd at the earliest]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well last year I got Avila in the next to last or last round on 4 or 5 teams and yadier molina in the 17th or 18th.And I did much better than the guys that reached for Mauer and Posey .I&#8217;ll never take a catcher before the 15th rd at the earliest</p>
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		<title>By: Long Bawls</title>
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		<dc:creator>Long Bawls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;http://razzball.com/rock-the-backstop-catcher-depth-is-the-name-of-the-game-in-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-1155463&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;GT&lt;/a&gt;: I&#039;d argue Napoli surprised last season. I was able to pick him up on waivers when his owner traded for another catcher and put someone else in his DL spot; he ended up being a big reason I won. Now, you could say that the guy was an idiot for dropping him even though he was injured, but was the guy who held on to the hope of a great season out of Mauer any smarter? My point is just that, while you take a chance with the expenditure on any top-tier player, you really often don&#039;t get what you pay for in catchers because of the roughness of the position.

Miguel Montero, Arencibia and Martin are other guys who might have been available as FA in recent seasons and who gave you good production. I&#039;d argue that &quot;proven&quot; guys command an extra-high premium for the exact reason you point out: because the position&#039;s pretty thin. But that just makes a bird in the hand worth three or maybe four in the bush, even if the bird you have has avian flu.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="http://razzball.com/rock-the-backstop-catcher-depth-is-the-name-of-the-game-in-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-1155463" rel="nofollow">GT</a>: I&#8217;d argue Napoli surprised last season. I was able to pick him up on waivers when his owner traded for another catcher and put someone else in his DL spot; he ended up being a big reason I won. Now, you could say that the guy was an idiot for dropping him even though he was injured, but was the guy who held on to the hope of a great season out of Mauer any smarter? My point is just that, while you take a chance with the expenditure on any top-tier player, you really often don&#8217;t get what you pay for in catchers because of the roughness of the position.</p>
<p>Miguel Montero, Arencibia and Martin are other guys who might have been available as FA in recent seasons and who gave you good production. I&#8217;d argue that &#8220;proven&#8221; guys command an extra-high premium for the exact reason you point out: because the position&#8217;s pretty thin. But that just makes a bird in the hand worth three or maybe four in the bush, even if the bird you have has avian flu.</p>
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		<title>By: SwaggerJackers</title>
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		<dc:creator>SwaggerJackers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ramos, Perez and Meso....whoever is left when the dust settles will be my catcher.  Is it bad that I&#039;d rather have any of those guys over Soto?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ramos, Perez and Meso&#8230;.whoever is left when the dust settles will be my catcher.  Is it bad that I&#8217;d rather have any of those guys over Soto?</p>
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		<title>By: GT</title>
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		<dc:creator>GT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Bill James thinks Soto is hitting above .250 this year then he is the nuts.  After years of punting Catchers until the late rounds (NL only league), I&#039;ve finally wised up to the canyon-sized hole in your lineup that exists when you trot out John Buck every week.  Great free agent adds can be found at every position throughout the season - except catcher.  Seriously, when was the last time someone surprised at this position?  It&#039;s all hype guys (Wieters, Soto once), steady nobodys (Lucroy, Thole) and re-treads.  When you&#039;re going up against Nick Hundley it feels really good to have McCann in there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Bill James thinks Soto is hitting above .250 this year then he is the nuts.  After years of punting Catchers until the late rounds (NL only league), I&#8217;ve finally wised up to the canyon-sized hole in your lineup that exists when you trot out John Buck every week.  Great free agent adds can be found at every position throughout the season &#8211; except catcher.  Seriously, when was the last time someone surprised at this position?  It&#8217;s all hype guys (Wieters, Soto once), steady nobodys (Lucroy, Thole) and re-treads.  When you&#8217;re going up against Nick Hundley it feels really good to have McCann in there.</p>
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