Comments on: Rickey Henderson, Tim Raines – 2009 Hall of Fame Nominations http://razzball.com/rickey-henderson-tim-raines-2009-hall-of-fame-nominations/ Fantasy Baseball Advice Mon, 22 Mar 2010 02:12:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Bert http://razzball.com/rickey-henderson-tim-raines-2009-hall-of-fame-nominations/comment-page-1/#comment-19607 Bert Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:19:01 +0000 http://razzball.com/?p=2467#comment-19607 Thanks for the support. I gathered by the text of the article that it was supportive of Raines in the HOF. I just was taking the opportunity to sound off, in case a fence-sitter stumbled across the article. Love the big hair picture, BTW... :) Thanks for the support. I gathered by the text of the article that it was supportive of Raines in the HOF. I just was taking the opportunity to sound off, in case a fence-sitter stumbled across the article.

Love the big hair picture, BTW… :)

]]> By: Rudy Gamble http://razzball.com/rickey-henderson-tim-raines-2009-hall-of-fame-nominations/comment-page-1/#comment-19606 Rudy Gamble Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:14:14 +0000 http://razzball.com/?p=2467#comment-19606 @<a href="#comment-19602" rel="nofollow">Bert</a>: No offense taken. We're both pro-Raines. The coke stuff makes for an interesting 'anecdote' but it doesn't factor into my judgment. I think HOF voters have no clue what they're doing when a player doesn't get to 3000 hits, 500 HRs, or 300 Wins. B/c Raines should be a no-brainer... @Bert: No offense taken. We’re both pro-Raines. The coke stuff makes for an interesting ‘anecdote’ but it doesn’t factor into my judgment. I think HOF voters have no clue what they’re doing when a player doesn’t get to 3000 hits, 500 HRs, or 300 Wins. B/c Raines should be a no-brainer…

]]> By: Bert http://razzball.com/rickey-henderson-tim-raines-2009-hall-of-fame-nominations/comment-page-1/#comment-19602 Bert Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:11:31 +0000 http://razzball.com/?p=2467#comment-19602 These aren't directed solely to this article, but more about media in general. One thing I wish people would quit bringing up about Raines is the cocaine usage. Not so much ignore it completely, but use it as an argument against enshrinement. If you wanted someone who was squeaky clean, Ty Cobb would never have gotten within 100 miles of Cooperstown. The current steroids flap certainly isn't helping Raines and his case. However, the one thing I like about Raines is he was so up-front about his abuse and kicking it. Never hid behind it, once he realized he had a problem. Can't say that for the majority of the folks accused of steroid use. Second, to say Raines does not deserve a vote because he wasn't as good as Henderson is ridiculous. Just because Henderson is on the ballot the same year doesn't mean Raines should be pushed to the background for the year. If anything, it should remind people how dominating those players were in their respective leagues. Raines is definitely in the top leadoff hitters all-time, as far as getting on base, advancing of his own accord via the stolen base (more successfully than anyone in history, I might add), and creating havoc on the basepaths to help his team. Finally, let's not forget that Raines actually lost at least a full season or more because of his battle with lupus. Not only the missed time, but the effects it had on him, reducing his abilities, until it was all worked out. And of course, he came back from that too. These aren’t directed solely to this article, but more about media in general.

One thing I wish people would quit bringing up about Raines is the cocaine usage. Not so much ignore it completely, but use it as an argument against enshrinement. If you wanted someone who was squeaky clean, Ty Cobb would never have gotten within 100 miles of Cooperstown. The current steroids flap certainly isn’t helping Raines and his case. However, the one thing I like about Raines is he was so up-front about his abuse and kicking it. Never hid behind it, once he realized he had a problem. Can’t say that for the majority of the folks accused of steroid use.

Second, to say Raines does not deserve a vote because he wasn’t as good as Henderson is ridiculous. Just because Henderson is on the ballot the same year doesn’t mean Raines should be pushed to the background for the year. If anything, it should remind people how dominating those players were in their respective leagues. Raines is definitely in the top leadoff hitters all-time, as far as getting on base, advancing of his own accord via the stolen base (more successfully than anyone in history, I might add), and creating havoc on the basepaths to help his team.

Finally, let’s not forget that Raines actually lost at least a full season or more because of his battle with lupus. Not only the missed time, but the effects it had on him, reducing his abilities, until it was all worked out. And of course, he came back from that too.

]]> By: Grey http://razzball.com/rickey-henderson-tim-raines-2009-hall-of-fame-nominations/comment-page-1/#comment-19588 Grey Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:05:52 +0000 http://razzball.com/?p=2467#comment-19588 I hear people talk about how Grich should've had more consideration, but I never hear about Tony Phillips. We should petition the HOF to open its veteran doors to TP. I hear people talk about how Grich should’ve had more consideration, but I never hear about Tony Phillips. We should petition the HOF to open its veteran doors to TP.

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