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Razzball Nation!  I used today’s title to try and embody the question everyone is having looking at their waiver wires…

Who the hell is this guy?!

Before his ridiculous debut at Safeco, Collin McHugh had pitched less than 50 ML innings with an ERA that resembled an Extenze advertising claim.  Called up to fill in for a DL-bound Corey Scott Feldman, McHugh got a struggling Mariners offense with swiss cheese bats for 12 Ks and no walks in 6.2 for his first win – giving up three singles and no earned.  I love that before the start, Bo Porter said McHugh is a “pitch to contact guy.”  Good thing the Mariners ain’t got no contact right now!

I watched some highlights of the Ks that game and was lukewarm impressed, but McHugh went out and shut down the A’s, who have a pretty solid O these days.  #Moneyball!  So I decided to take a deeper look at his hot start to 2014 and break down what he could offer fantasy owners looking for some SP help:

First Inning: McHugh begins his second start of the year with a 90 MPH fastball low and outside to Coco Crisp.  The next offering is another heater and Crisp fouls out, caught by Matt Dominguez on the rail.  McHugh paints the knees with 92 MPH heat – real quality fastball there – then a little 88 MPH slider or cutter doesn’t too too much and Jed Lowrie dumps it into right for a single.  Up is the red hot Josh Donaldson, who takes a 91 MPH fastball for a strike, then paints the low outside corner for a strike again, 0-2.  Pinpoint command early on.  A 74 MPH big curveball is low, 1-2.  From what I remember seeing in the highlights of the Mariners game – his curve is his second pitch.  An 84 MPH slider is low, and man, that had some major break too.  I’ll keep my eye out for some good sliders.  Fastball is outside – full count – then an 86 MPH slider almost frontdoors him – I thought that was a strike – for a walk.  I dunno, the replay has it right on the edge there, but the noob pitcher doesn’t get the call.  So runners on 1st and 2nd with one out, and Brandon Moss takes a fastball, 0-1.  A bit of a rolling slider gets crushed by Moss deep to right, but George Springer is able to adjust to the hard hit ball and catch it right on the track.  Great play from Springer there, two down, and the first-pitch curve to Alberto Callaspo is a bit high, 1-0.  Fastball in there, curveball low, another heater in there, fastball again outside, fastball popped just out of play, then another fastball is low – a walk to load the bases.  Out comes Astros catcher Carlos Corporan for a quick chat, and McHugh quickly gets ready to go and the 20th pitch is a fastball swung through by Josh Reddick, 0-1.  A mini-slider is popped out to Jonathan Villar in shallow center, and the early jam causes no damage.

Second Inning: Hoping to respond from a stressful first, McHugh’s first pitch is a fastball fouled back by John Jaso, a fluttering curve is way outside, another fastball fouled back, then a nasty two-seamer with a ton of run out of the zone almost gets Jaso to swing, but it’s 2-2.  Nasty stuff there.  McHugh then goes slider and gets a lazy flareout to Jose Altuve in the shift, one down.  93 MPH to Daric Barton is in there, McHugh’s fastest thus far, and another slider gets a weak groundball – two down.  Fastball fouled off by Eric Sogard 0-1, then a very nice slider gets a weak tap foul, 0-2.  He sticks with the slider and gets another tap foul, then a two-seamer to get the movement going away from him gets a swing-and-miss, great sequence for his first K.

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Third Inning: McHugh starts Crisp with a change-up – first time we’ve seen that – 0-1. It had good movement, tailing out of the zone, and he sticks with it for a strike, 1-1.  Two-seamer paints the knees 1-2, then nasty painting fastball at 93 MPH on the lower outside black gets a called strike 3.  Man, sharp stuff.

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Curveball is inside to Lowrie, fastball outside, another heater way outside, then a fastball inside for a 4 pitch walk.  Hmmm, Lowrie did get the only hit so far, so maybe McHugh was over thinking that one.  Slider gets a swing-and-miss from Donaldson, then a fastball gets rocketed hard between short and third, but Dominguez gets it on the dive to get the force at second.  Dominguez is an awesome defender.  Fastball is a little high to Moss, heater in there, fastball a tad outside, then a slider on the fists gets Moss to pop out lazily into the shift, inning over.

Fourth Inning: Callaspo takes a change-up high and outside, fastball outside, a gooooooood 81 MPH change-up gets the outside corner, then the 2-1 slider gets popped out lazily to right, one down.  Reddick takes a change outside, swings through a fastball, then a slider is flared out lazily just foul past third base and caught, two down.  McHugh still going with change-ups and is in there to Jaso, big big curveball at 72 bends low, then a two-seamer gets inside-outed towards the left field line, but L.J. Hoes on the run nabs it to end the inning.  One of the better contacts of the game, but you don’t mess with Hoes on the run!

Fifth Inning: 56 pitches in, McHugh starts Barton with a fastball outside, another heater is swung through, a slider is check-swung foul, then paints the lower outside corner at 92, just like in the GIF to start the third, one down and his third K.  Two-seamer nabs the corner, 0-1 to Sogard, narrowly inside – looked close with the four-seam – then the 1-1 slider is flared weakly just foul to left, and Hoes on the run!  That would be a good band name… Two down and change-up is low to Crisp, then barely outside with heat, nasty change-up, and I mean nasssssty change-up gets a huge swing-and-miss on 2-0.

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Crisp sat dead red fastball, and McHugh pulls the string.  Fastball outside, then bends a solid tight slider in there, then an 83 MPH slider, his best on the day, gets a swing-and-miss to end the inning.  Wow.

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Sixth Inning: McHugh has mowed down 8 in a row and a fastball is fouled off by Lowrie, a slider goes barely low, then a fastball gets a lazy fly to Hoes, one down.  Hoes on the trot!  Eh, not as good.  Fastball is barely low to Donaldson, perfect location with the heater 1-1, slider is swung through in a perfect spot, fastball is elevated and Donaldson chases but taps it, the curve at 75 gets popped out of play, fastball is a little high, then a high slider gets a swing-and-miss, 5th K – 2 outs.  Not a great pitch, but so many different speeds and locations and it’s not surprising it got a whiff.  Big, big curveball at 72 gets a whiff from Moss, and man, this guy can throw anything anytime.

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Then, and I mean are you kidding me, 74 MPH curveball gets a bigger swing-and-miss, 0-2.  How ridiculous is this?!  Haha – he goes curve again and is low, 1-2.  I actually laughed – sorry… He then elevates the fastball at 91 for a lazy, lazy flyout to third.  So 72 MPH, 74, 74, 91 that sequence.

Seventh Inning:  Fastball is just outside to Callaspo, then a slider gets a pretty hard groundout to first, one down.  12 straight!  Curveball at 72 for a strike to Reddick, and it’s gone fastballs for strikes first time through, then off speed with sliders and changes, now throwing curves for strike one.  Crazy sequences through the order.  Then a hard, hard biting 87 MPH slider gets a swing-and-miss, nasty 0-2.  Curveball dies low in the dirt, then a high two-seamer is a lazy pop to Villar, two down.  Curveball AGAIN for strike one to Jaso.  It’s just unfair.  Fastball outside, high slider nips the letters for a strike, then the 74 MPH curveball and Jaso can’t quite hold up in time for yet another perfect inning and 6 Ks.

Eighth Inning:  Picking up another 4 runs of support to get up 5-0, McHugh is high to Barton, two-seamer in there, fastball is swung through, then McHugh paints the outside corner for his 7th K looking.  Barton didn’t like it and looked a tad off the plate, but the noob is getting calls now!  There it is again, 70 MPH curveball for a strike to Sogard.  Slider stays high, fastball is way inside, slider is hammered foul down the first base line, curveball bends just off the plate, then a fastball on the hands gets a lazy grounder to first, two down.  Curveball for a strike again to get up 0-1 on Crisp, then a fastball is flied out right to Hoes.  Hoes standing still!

Ninth Inning: Change-up is outside to Lowrie, then a fastball is hit really hard and deep to right, but it’s caught by Springer on the wall, one down.  Best contact all day – and Lowrie has the only hit – he’s been the toughest hitter for McHugh.  So 107 pitches, and starts Donaldson with a great slider for strike one.  Fastball outside, 92 on the gun, and velocity is still there.  Running-in two-seamer gets a swing-and-miss, then a 92 MPH heater gets a pretty lazy fly to center, two down.  One out away, and McHugh starts Moss with a big bending curveball in the dirt.  Moss says he got hit on his back foot, however the ump doesn’t give Moss the base.  But wait – instant replay!  And talk about horrible timing, pause on the game, pause on adrenaline, and McHugh has a man on first as replay gives Moss the HBP.  Back to the rubber, the Astros aren’t holding Moss, and a first-pitch slider is in there to Callaspo and Moss steals second.  Corporan tried throwing him out, but the throw is a tad late and high.  The Astros announcers are a little pissy about it, but yeah it’s 5-0 and two outs.  Let the rookie get through it!  And the 0-1 is another slider that hung a bit high, and Callaspo gets a lazy flare single to left, Moss scores, and the second hit allowed is McHugh’s first run charged and his final batter.  Bo Porter takes him out of the game, and Moss who reaches on a reversed call HBP, then a douchey steal, is McHugh’s only ER in his first two starts.

Final Line:  W  8.2 IP  114 Pitches (73 Strikes)  1 ER  2 Hits  3 Walks  7 K  Gamescore: 80   Gamescore+: 76.8

Final Analysis: I thought to myself – what do I make of this start?  I think the barometer was I had a hard time picking which pitches to make graphics for.  A ton were really, really filthy.  And his numbers now are 19:3 K:BB in 15.1 IP with only 5 hits allowed.  ALL SINGLES!  Preposteroni.

I did find it interesting I got a Gamescore+ over 3 lower than his actual Gamescore.  For one thing, the -4 for an earned run is incredibly cheap given how he picked it up at the very end.  Damn you, Melvin!  And damn you, replay!  I scored most of the in-play outs very favorably – only a few were hard contact – but still interesting since I thought he looked fantastic.

This really came out of nowhere, but McHugh looked awesome enough to shoot up my rankings.  Featuring a four-seamer that topped out at 93, an at times nasty two-seamer with a lot of run, an at times nasty slider in the high 80s, a change-up that was pretty solid he could throw for strikes, and a curveball that ranged from 70-75 that also looked tough to key in on, McHugh’s got a pretty nice arsenal to work with.  I use “at times” because not every single pitch was nasty every time, but they were all for the most part consistent.  Mixing speeds from 70-93 with five distinct pitches is pretty redonkulous.

So why wasn’t this guy highly regarded?  What’s changed?  Well I did notice that in his AAA numbers from 2013 he had cut down on the walks.  But I also found some graphics of his stuff from his nice debut for the Mets in 2012.  Compare the mechanics and delivery.  To me, it looks like he’s cut out that mini-hop he does after his pitch (although he does it a tad on the change-up in yesterday’s star), and looks a lot stronger on his landing left leg.  I think that extra stability has smoothed him out a bit more, but that’s some sweeping conjecture.

I know I don’t have him ranked close to “must-own” territory in 10 or 12ers, but McHugh gets the Mariners again for his next start, and that’s a MUST PLAY.  The Mariners are in a terrible funk, and it’s not like McHugh is mowing down batters with two pitches.  He’s got tons of movement with a wide arsenal, so I think he’s successful again.  Long-term, I wonder if he’s going to be able to stay this sharp with all his stuff, if the Astros cap his innings (I know he’s older, but still hasn’t cracked 170 IP in a season – then again, I think if he approaches that it’d mean he’s been dealing), and if he struggles any time soon they might throw Feldman back in the rotation and send McHugh down (although they’ve come out and said he’s earned the rotation spot).  The Astros golden boy George Springer hasn’t panned out as of yet, so I could see them giving McHugh a nice leash as he’s easy to root for.

Razzball Baseball

JB’s Updated Top 100 SP

(rankings based on 12-team Roto – green for risers, red for fallers)

RANK SP, TEAM
1 Yu Darvish, Texas Rangers
2 Adam Wainwright, St. Louis Cardinals
3 Stephen Strasburg, Washington Nationals
4 Clayton Kershaw, Los Angeles Dodgers
5 Felix Hernandez, Seattle Mariners
6 Cliff Lee, Philadelphia Phillies
7 Madison Bumgarner, San Francisco Giants
8 Jose Fernandez, Miami Marlins
9 Max Scherzer, Detroit Tigers
10 Chris Sale, Chicago White Sox
11 Michael Wacha, St. Louis Cardinals
12 Masahiro Tanaka, New York Yankees
13 Justin Verlander, Detroit Tigers
14 Julio Teheran, Atlanta Braves
15 Zack Greinke, Los Angeles Dodgers
16 Gio Gonzalez, Washington Nationals
17 James Shields, Kansas City Royals
18 Cole Hamels, Philadelphia Phillies
19 Jordan Zimmermann, Washington Nationals
20 David Price, Tampa Bay Rays
21 Mike Minor, Atlanta Braves
22 Matt Cain, San Francisco Giants
23 Jeff Samardzija, Chicago Cubs
24 Andrew Cashner, San Diego Padres
25 Johnny Cueto, Cincinnati Reds
26 Gerrit Cole, Pittsburgh Pirates
27 Yordano Ventura, Kansas City Royals
28 Homer Bailey, Cincinnati Reds
29 Hisashi Iwakuma, Seattle Mariners
30 Anibal Sanchez, Detroit Tigers
31 Tony Cingrani, Cincinnati Reds
32 Chris Archer, Tamp Bay Rays
33 Shelby Miller, St. Louis Cardinals
34 Sonny Gray, Oakland Athletics
35 Ervin Santana, Atlanta Braves
36 Alex Wood, Atlanta Braves
37 Francisco Liriano, Pittsburgh Pirates
38 Corey Kluber, Cleveland Indians
39 Rick Porcello, Detroit Tigers
40 Hyun-Jin Ryu, Los Angeles Dodgers
41 Danny Salazar, Cleveland Indians
42 Jon Lester, Boston Red Sox
43 Scott Kazmir, Oakland Athletics
44 Martin Perez, Texas Rangers
45 Chris Tillman, Baltimore Orioles
46 Matt Garza, Milwaukee Brewers
47 Lance Lynn, St. Louis Cardinals
48 Drew Smyly, Detroit Tigers
49 Alex Cobb, Tampa Bay Rays
50 Nathan Eovaldi, Miami Marlins
51 Jered Weaver, Los Angeles Angels
52 Zach Wheeler, New York Mets
53 Yovani Gallardo, Milwaukee Brewers
54 C.J. Wilson, Los Angeles Angels
55 Marco Estrada, Milwaukee Brewers
56 Travis Wood, Chicago Cubs
57 Hiroki Kuroda, New York Yankees
58 Doug Fister, Washington Nationals
59 Jake Peavy, Boston Red Sox
60 Wily Peralta, Milwaukee Brewers
61 Justin Masterson, Cleveland Indians
62 CC Sabathia, New York Yankees
63 Jesse Chavez, Oakland Athletics
64 Tyler Skaggs, Los Angeles Angels
65 Dan Straily, Oakland Athletics
66 John Lackey, Boston Red Sox
67 Tim Hudson, San Francisco Giants
68 Clay Buchholz, Boston Red Sox
69 Dan Haren, Los Angeles Dodgers
70 Mat Latos, Cincinnati Reds
71 Ian Kennedy, San Diego Padres
72 Kyle Lohse, Milwaukee Brewers
73 Michael Pineda, New York Yankees
74 James Paxton, Seattle Mariners
75 Drew Hutchison, Toronto Blue Jays
76 Aaron Harang, Atlanta Braves
77 Mike Leake, Cincinnati Reds
78 Dillon Gee, New York Mets
79 Jason Hammel, Chicago Cubs
80 Collin McHugh, Houston Astros
81 Jenrry Mejia, New York Mets
82 Archie Bradley, Arizona Diamondbacks
83 Taijuan Walker, Seattle Mariners
84 Jon Niese, New York Mets
85 Garrett Richards, Los Angeles Angels
86 Mark Buehrle, Toronto Blue Jays
87 Zach McAllister, Cleveland Indians
88 Bartolo Colon, New York Mets
89 Ubaldo Jimenez, Baltimore Orioles
90 R.A. Dickey, Toronto Blue Jays
91 Edinson Volquez, Pittsburgh Pirates
92 Tyson Ross, San Diego Padres
93 Tim Lincecum, San Francisco Giants
94 Jake Odorizzi, Tampa Bay Rays
95 A.J. Burnett, Philadelphia Phillies
96 Jason Vargas, Kansas City Royals
97 Alfredo Simon, Cincinnati Reds
98 Tanner Roark, Washington Nationals
99 Hector Santiago, Los Angeles Angels
100 Josh Beckett, Los Angeles Dodgers

Dropped Out: A.J. Griffin, Oakland Athletics (headed for TJ – I was really worried about the elbow, but wish I didn’t rank him to begin with – I didn’t touch him in drafts),  Scott Feldman, Houston Astros (DL – biceps), Charlie Morton, Pittsburgh Pirates (5 walks last time out and meh), Robbie Erlin, San Diego Padres (lit up and barely on the list last week anyway)

  • Well, adios Archie Bradley in my ranks.  I’m a lot less worried about his poor stretch in AAA, but more worried about the Diamondbacks still looking awful and Bradley doing nothing to force the issue a level below.
  • I almost moved Smyly down a good bit – not due to performance but because they were skipping a start again – but with Anibal Sanchez (who did go down a good bit) hitting the DL, Smyly should have a little more cement in that rotation.  He’s available in a lot of leagues – I’d nab him where I could.
  • As AndrewM helped remind me to consider, Marcus Stroman looks to be up soon for the Blue Jays, but for now I’m keeping him just outside of the rankings.  Excited for his debut though.
  • How awesome was Corey Kluber last Thursday?!  My Klubes tingled that whole game, was awesome!
  • Two guys I’m starting abandon ship – Clay Buchholz and Hiroki Kuroda.  A little reactionary with the latter so I didn’t sink him too bad, but Buchholz was a rank I really regret.  I know I defended him a bit last Monday, but now 3 of 5 starts have been 3 Ks or fewer and I just don’t see upside anymore.
  • Tyson Ross looked awful against my Brewers, with his average fastball still 2 MPH slower this year.  The Petco starts offer some nice streaming chances, but I’ll fall back on my Profile on him a few weeks ago where I didn’t like the mechanics and the fact he’s still feeling his way through them.
  • I slept way too hard on Jason Hammel, whose slider was OOONNNNNN yesterday against my Crew.  Sure no Ryan Braun or Jean Segura, but his stuff looked solid.  It’s the first time in his career he’s pitched not in the AL/for the Rockies and in a much better park.  Interested.
  • So… Pineda… OK, I don’t think the pine tar is really the main factor to his success or anything.  But I question his confidence.  He’s still a really young pitcher, and after giving up a few runs – and knowing a microscope is on him – he came back out with it on his neck.  Tells me he didn’t have confidence to get guys out, and rattled confidence can sometimes be worse than wavering stuff.  We’ll see what happens when he’s back, but I’m worried.

Thoughts on the ranks?  Thoughts on McHugh?  Thoughts on this new X-Men time traveling premise?  Shoot below!

From Around The Web

  1. Wallpaper Paterson says:
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    McHugh’s claim to fame was making fun of the Yankees after the Mets swept them last year. I don’t recall if McHugh pitched at all in that series,but I do know he had just recently been recalled by the Mets.

    Aoki or Khris Davis rest of season?

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Wallpaper Paterson: Haha I never saw that… I’d take Khris Davis

      • Wallpaper Paterson says:
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        @JB Gilpin: it was a Twitter incident

        • JB Gilpin

          JB Gilpin says:
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          @Wallpaper Paterson: Did he have a picture of himself with his middle finger up? Haha

          • Wallpaper Paterson says:
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            @JB Gilpin: it was not a photo thing. He mentioned a broom maybe and poked fun at the Yankees. The Mets later made him delete the tweet. It got mentioned in the NY papers.

            • JB Gilpin

              JB Gilpin says:
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              @Wallpaper Paterson: Haha yea I was just messin, dude athletes and their moronic social media stuff – hey at least McHugh didn’t have a favorites list like Carlos Martinez!

              • Crapshoot Kershaw says:
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                @JB Gilpin: carlos martinez is a hero for that, to some. It is funny when the NYY lose though.

  2. Wallpaper Paterson says:
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    Why are the Astros sometimes wearing those silly batting practice outfits during league games?

  3. Hawks Fan says:
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    Great article once again JB. I’m torn between starting these usual streamer suspects

    Liriano vs Tor
    Tillman vs Pit
    McHugh vs Seattle
    Minor vs SF(DL concerned)
    Kazmir vs Texas

    Your rankings tell me to go with Mike Minor. Should I roll with him and be confident that Atlanta brings him back this week, or stream one of the other solid match ups?

    Thanks in advance JB

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Hawks Fan: Well I definitely llike Minor best ROS. I think everything is looking like he’ll make that start and I think that’s my pick. McHugh, while yes I’ve been swept in by what I’ve seen, and Tillman are both close seconds, and Kazmir is solid too. Really I like all these options haha. Ah, just saw below, my 2 are Minor and Tillman

  4. Hawks Fan says:
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    Pick two to start please*

  5. Alex says:
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    Did you see Mejia point in the air like Stanton’s homer was gonna get caught? haha

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Alex: Hahahahaha, no I didn’t. Watching now….

      …. Hahahaha wow. I mean, dude doesn’t seem too mature after throwing his glove down on one of those J-Up shots and then thinking that a stanton homer in Citi was a pop. Wow, thanks for that!

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      @Creepy Neighbor: Ummm, possibly, but not too worried about it since Braves are obvious contenders. Maybe they skip a start once or twice down the stretch, but I think if all goes well he’ll still hit 190ish

      • my sisters friend boyfriend says:
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        @JB Gilpin: thanks

  6. Clyde Prompto says:
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    Hey, Colin McHugh was pretty good in Bridget Jones’ Diary.

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Clyde Prompto: Very true. His teeth are just disgusting

      • Clyde Prompto says:
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        @JB Gilpin: Whatever happened to Renee Zellwegger? Oh and for an actual baseball question, do you think it’s the end of the line for Kuroda? I’d chalk it up to being upset about the Americanized Godzilla movie coming out, but he wasn’t very good the 2nd half of last year either. .

        • JB Gilpin

          JB Gilpin says:
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          @Clyde Prompto: Yeah I moved Kuroda down a long ways. I’m worried too and he’s probably retiring at the end of the year. Hmm, what was Renee Z in last? After Bridget 2 electric bugaloo was a failure, she’s probably been shopping jerry maguire 2 for the past 10 years. Or maybe in a twist ending, SHE’s Godzilla!

          • Clyde Prompto says:
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            @JB Gilpin: I think they should do a sequel to Me, Myself and Irene where she files for divorce from Jim Carrey and he goes completely off the reservation and then its basically a slasher film.

            • JB Gilpin

              JB Gilpin says:
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              @Clyde Prompto: “Me, Myself, and the Number 23″

  7. Pager24 says:
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    I see your pretty down on Burnett. He’s been lights out the past few games. I’m in a league with no DL and I have Fister, Cobb, and now Anibal all rotting on my bench. I was going between dropping Burnett or Chavez to stream. You clearly like Chavez more but I’m worried about his next start in Texas. Like i said i really need the stats so I can’t really afford to sit a guy due to bad matchups. You still dropping Burnett instead of Chavez?

    Thanks!

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Pager24: Yeah the fact he’s pitching with like a minor hernia just doesnt sound good. The walks are going down, but the injury/ballpark/win potential scare me ROS. Hmmm, yeah I think since you need the starts now, I’d prefer dropping Chavez, I’m worried about the Texas start too. Burnett gets Nationals then at Mets it looks like if the schedule holds up. Mmmm like those!

  8. Baseball,an says:
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    2 questions.

    16 team h2h standard 5/5

    1 what do you think about trading baily for Zimmerman 3b ( how good is baily really going to be this year, and how good will Zimmerman be coming back from the dl rest of year)

    And

    2 trading archer for crisp. ( how good is archer going to be and will he be around for the playoffs)

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Baseball,an: I think Bailey and Zimmerman were close to begin with, so it’s weighing a bad start vs. injured. I think it depends on needs, if your pitching was fine I’d have no prob with it. 2 – I do think Archer can last most of the year, but I like Crisp too, who was phenomenal late last year. Again if you need OF and pretty deep pitching, I like it.

  9. Dave says:
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    Great work once again! Really starting to enjoy a weekly starting pitching column that not only ranks all starters but also does an up close profile on lesser known pitchers potentially on the rise. Last week I brought up Ian Kennedy, his amazing underlying stats, the great K rate, the great ball park, the fact he is not letting up home runs at an alarming rate like in the past. And what does he do, he goes out last week and pitches a GEM. Yet he only moves up from 75 to 71. What am I missing? Good call on Eovaldi by the week. Plucking him off the wire is feeling like a steal!

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Dave: Thanks so much man! Exactly what I was hoping Monday afternoons would be for… Yeah you’re looking good on Kennedy I just can’t put too many guys below him. Buchholz? One more start with little Ks yeah he’ll fall. Skaggs? Ehhh, I still like him and he’s been pretty good. Who are some guys above Kennedy you think should be below? It’s just been 3 years since he was really good – groundball rate is 46.9% and he’s never been below 40 since 2008, low BABIP, I’m nitpicking a little, but I think he regresses some. But I do like him!

  10. Doc Wolf says:
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    Harang me?

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Doc Wolf: Harang yourself!

  11. Doc Wolf says:
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    What about the ultra unknown Scott Carroll?

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Doc Wolf: Haha, didn’t see the start, but seems very blah looking at minor league #s. He’s on the radar though

  12. Moscowitz says:
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    I think there is no need praising your work again and again. Its simply amazing because there is alot of time absorbing attention to detail involved. So thanks again.

    Regarding McHugh, i would love to believe this story but in my opinion only very few pitchers did have the ability to dominate without an overpowering fastball and they all were hall of famers with excepcional control and awareness for the strike zone. This guy is good but right now he is feeding of his status as an unknown man. He is keeping hitters off balance because they simply dont know his repertoire. However he is not that good to keep people off balance with his secondary pitches over a long strech. They will figure him out and his fastball -as said- wont be powerfull enough to bail him out. I think the Mariners will get to him in his next start.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Moscowitz: Thanks man! Really appreciate it! I honestly thought all his off=speed stuff looked like above major league average. Nothing was “wipe out” but 5 above average pitches? Of course- it’s one start and if he doesn’t have the feel for a few he could get shelled, but the heater got to 93… I dunno, with all 5 pitches able to get over for strike one, if he can keep the feel for all this could be a pretty cool story. I picked him up in a league where I had the roster flexibility and I think the Mariners have trouble again. But that’s just me!

      • Moscowitz says:
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        @JB Gilpin: “If he can keep the feel”…

        thats an important point. What if you get hit hard a couple of times in a row, how do you react? Can you keep your calm and the feel for the zone? To find out the answer, i guess there is no other way than to wait and see until he gets hit :)

        Thanks again

        • JB Gilpin

          JB Gilpin says:
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          @Moscowitz: Exactly man, who knows how these new guys handle success? I can just go off what I saw and hope he can do it again and try to watch again and readdress. Why being able to watch as much as you can gives ya an edge. Those guys in the MLB Fan Cave would be killin it if they could keep up!

          • Moscowitz says:
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            @JB Gilpin: On a different note, could you go through one of Tom Koehlers outings if you dont mind? To me, the guy has great stuff, some of his filthy pitches look really unhittable at times but he is inconsistent and cant put it together over the course of a whole season. Control has been a problem but what else? Why is this guy not striking out more people with his stuff? I would love to know about your opinion regarding Koehler i think he is an interesting pitcher who is not missing many pieces to complete the puzzle.

            • JB Gilpin

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              @Moscowitz: Yeah he’s on the short list of guys I want to Profile. Struggled v Mets the other day, but would be an interesting one, next time he pitches over the weekend which may be 2 profiles from now, I’ll try and make it work!

              • Moscowitz says:
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                @JB Gilpin: You the man

    • Moscowitz says:
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      @Moscowitz:

      “They will figure him out and his fastball -as said- wont be powerfull enough to bail him out. I think the Mariners will get to him in his next start.”

      And thats me quoting me :)

      • JB Gilpin

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        @Moscowitz: I didn’t see the whole thing but did watch some, and it was hung breaking stuff that hurt him. Cruised through first 2 innings then fell apart, I am dropping him since not touching the Orioles start but still can be good after that

  13. Five-On-One says:
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    Perez has been awesome so far this year, but I am leary of starting Perez in COL? Other options would be T Wood (home v. TEX) and Skaggs (home v. STL). Thoughts?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Five-On-One: Ugh, yeah I’m a Perez owner too and not looking forward to that. I will say since he’s an extreme groundball pitcher, I think I’m more confident than most would be. I like him over those other two options.

  14. Rudacious says:
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    JB. It’s Ridacious over from basketball.

    First off. I’m so sad about the clippers. Rough.

    Now, I gotta get my outfielders in order.

    Alex Gordon
    Alex Rios
    Melky Cabrera
    Coco crisp.

    Who are the top 3 in this bunch? Gordon is just blowing it right now. Melky is playing like an efficient monster. Coco, when he plays,

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      @Rudacious:

      When he plays, he puts up stats!!!!! I want to bail on Gordon so bad but he was just such a high pick.

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Rudacious: Yo dude! Glad to see ya! Yeah Gordon has been going slow, but Melky hit like, a handful of homers for a few years… I’d go Rios, Crisp, Gordon, Cabrera. I think Crisp is something underrated, but hes gotta stay healthy!

  15. E says:
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    JB would you trade Max for Giancarlo?
    9 team roto 5×5

    Have FHer, Bum, Verlander, Homer, Ervin and Cobb
    180 start limit

    Thx

    • JB Gilpin

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      @E: Yeah I think your rotation is pretty nasty, I’d def do that one

  16. malamoney

    malamoney says:
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    Been trying to get myself another solid pitcher.

    My starters are (start 4): Felix, Greinke, Gray, Gerrit Cole, Anibal, Shelby, Salazar, Bauer, Stroman

    I offered Shelby Miller and Salazar for Bumgarner, but it was rejected and countered with his Matt Cain for my Alex Gordon. I don’t feel very comfortable with Cain. I really want Bumgarner too.

    I offered Miller and Gordon for Price or Shields, but that was rejected. No counter yet, but he said he’s working on it.

    Thoughts?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @malamoney: Cain for Gordon I think is a pretty good deal, but yea, not like Cain is a for-sure ace obviously. I think Shields is underrated (I ranked him high and off to a great start so maybe not anymore) and Price overrated. So I’d target Shields, Miller and Gordon sounds like that’s about right though, sucks he didn’t take it.

      • malamoney

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        @JB Gilpin: What pitcher would do you think I could get for Adam Jones? This is a H2H points league where the scoring system favors pitching (10 points for a win and +1 for a strikeout)?

        • JB Gilpin

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          @malamoney: I’d still think a top-10 guy. Kershaw while his value is a little low since he hasn’t come back yet, Bumgarner hasn’t been 100% ace-like, I like those ideas.

  17. los locos says:
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    who do you like this week? miley (col & @sd) or skaggs (cle & tex) but need to drop either chavez or Hutchinson…

    • JB Gilpin

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      @los locos: Great matchups for Miley, I might take him btu don’t like him at all ROS. I do really like Skaggs and have him high, if limited moves I’d get Skaggs for Hutch, if not, Miley for Hutch then prob drop for Skaggs

  18. AMolnar says:
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    I love the post.

    I have Hutch, Perez, Ross, and Mejia. Looking to deal one and then pick up STroman. Would Rajai Davis for Ross be a solid trade for me? I do need steals.

    What do you think STroman’s projections will be if he’s brought up this week after tomorrow night?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @AMolnar: Thanks man! Yeah Davis for Ross seems good to me, I’m not a huge Ross guy. Ummm, ERA over 4, about a K per 9 but high WHIP, I’m not huge on him yet. Got absolutely shelled in Spring so that’s a little scary against major league quality hitters.

  19. Clint says:
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    I know Grey loathes overpaying for pitching in redraft leagues but what do you think in keeper leagues, JB? I’m in an 8 team, 10 keeper H2H pts league where, thanks to Razzball’s advice, guys I’ve drafted, snagged, or streamed have gotten me to 1st place despite most of the big bats being kept by other owners there before I joined the league. Thus, it looks like I may either have to deal some of those pitchers for bats at some point or just make most of my 10 keepers out of Liriano, Teheran, Wacha, Alex Wood, Ventura, Eovaldi, Cobb, Porcello, Bailey, Gray, Masterson, Tijuan Walker, and/or Gausman. A nice staff but not really any top 10 guys, no?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Clint: Well I absolutely love Wacha, he’s almost top 10 for me. I love Ventura’s upside too. Teheran I have in the teens as well. So those three would be huge keepers and are all young. Bailey should turn it around a bit, but yeah selling Cobb for a batter might be nice

  20. Splendid Sphincter says:
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    McHugh or Tanner Roark ROS? 5×5 10 team league

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Splendid Sphincter: McHugh – I have him a good bit higher in these new ranks above

  21. Chris says:
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    Hey JB who would u start this week Charlie Morton or Roberto Hernandez? I know I’m in trouble either way! LOL

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Chris: Haha probably Hernandez he’s getting the Mets right?

  22. Long Bawls says:
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    I understand Porcello’s ranking, but are you worried (I am) that he’s perpetual teaser? As in: Ks drift upwards, BBs remain low, but he can’t put together a string of good starts because he’ll give up 11 singles in 5 innings…

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Long Bawls: Haha well he’s only really had the one bad game, the Twins one was utter BS. Cruised through 5 giving up one run, then started the 6th with a homer, single, walk, then the bullpen let both those score without getting an out first. Ughhhhh, I’m still a big Porcello guy though, still got the win!

  23. Terrific, useful analysis, thanks.

    In a keepers league, my staff is:

    M. Tanaka
    S. Kazmir
    A. Wood
    J. Chavez
    B. Colon
    D. Smyly

    I’m suddenly challenging. But obviously need more pitching.

    Would you do these 2 trades:

    1. my Andrelton Simmons (I have Bogaerts also at SS) for HIS Rick Porcello and Todd Frazier?

    and

    2. my Nick Castelanos for HIS Nathan Eovaldi?

    or just this 1 trade:

    3. my George Springer for HIS James Shields?

    In a keepers league, I hate sending away YOUNG BATS like A. Simmons and N. Castelanos and G. Springer for, my God!!!, ARMS, but my pitching is barely holding on I fear. Sorry if this is too confusing; I’m confused! Thanks again, great McHugh article.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Fanthead: Thanks man! Mannnn, tough on 1 and 2, Simmons is so young and I think gonna be special. 2 I kinda like though, Castellanos is fine but Eovaldi helps a need. 3 is tough to say no to, Shields is looking like an ace, but is def a “for now” trade. I think I like 3 the best. Don’t be confused! Play for now and win a title!

  24. phenomenot says:
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    I love SP. Thanks for your articles. I’ve asked this question before, but maybe things have changed since.

    I have (QS no W):

    Fernandez
    Eovaldi

    ryu
    porcello
    kluber
    peralta

    iwakuma coming back
    stroman stashed
    w/ harvey on dl

    Those four guys in the middle have all been great and terrible. In my borderline-dynasty keeper league, who do I drop when Iwakuma comes in?

    How many more starts for McGowan before they bring Stroman up?

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @phenomenot: Thanks man, I obviously love the SP too! Well starting bottom up, McGowan is getting one more, but I think that could be it. If it’s a good one though and Stroman has a bad one in the minors, could change things. Man, so of those, I know Peralta has been awesome, but he’s the odd man out. Is Stroman in an N/A or on active roster? I think he’d be my drop when Iwak is back

  25. Bob says:
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    Smyly is a free agent but not sure who I would cut to grab him? Like him better long term than eovoldi or Salazar ?
    10 team h2h 6×6 roto extra are ks for hittrs and qs for pitchers

    C-Posey
    1b- goldschmidt
    2b-altuive
    Ss- Hanley
    3b- beltre
    Of-Braun
    Of- Bruce
    Of-Gordon
    Dh- Edwin Encarnacion
    B-Craig
    B-springer
    B-bogaerts
    B-arenado
    B-Carlos Santanna
    B-billy Hamilton
    P- j Fernandez
    P- bumgardner
    P-tanaka
    P-Zimmerman
    P-anibal Sanchez
    Rp- holland
    Rp- Robertson
    B- sonny gray
    B- Salazar
    B-eovoldi
    B-Ventura
    Dl-tijuan walker

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Bob: Salazar I think is turning it around, so he’s locked in. I have Smyly only 2 ahead of Eovaldi, and man, I’m starting to feel Eovaldi a tad more. Very very close. Honestly, since you have C and 3B locked in with studs, I might drop Santana.

    • my sisters friend boyfriend says:
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      @Bob:wow who did you draft with elementary kids? Lol

      • Bob says:
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        @my sisters friend boyfriend: Hahahaha. It is a Keeper league. And I brought back with me. Hanley,Beltre,Encarnacion,Braun,Goldschmidt from previous years. Traded Nelson Cruz and Mike Minor to get Jfernandez and Carlos Santanna. And then just following Razzball for advice on the rest. But I am a fan of the team right now.

  26. Longbeachyo says:
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    Yo JB, nice work. Honestly, this guy wasn’t even on my radar, until today. I just looked at his peripherals, and holy crap, a 15% swinging strike percentage…! I know it’s only been 15 innings, but damn! Someone in my league already picked him up, unfortunately.

    Hey, riddle me this… I just got a spot open with Anabelle nursing his sore fallopian tube, and I’m wondering who you would recommend for his place. I know Smyly is highest on your list, but Bauer, Stroman and Hutchison are all on the wire. Smyly seems to be the most proven, but if I were to aim for pure upside who would you recommend? (12 team redraft) Thanks man.

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Longbeachyo: Thanks man! Yeah I figured the first was a fluke (and against a slumping SEA) but then to blank the A’s was nice. Haha poor Annabelle! Pure upside I’m still going Smyly he’s still only 22 I think? Plus pitches for the best team in that nice park, I couldn’t say no :)

  27. Pete says:
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    Tearing it up with SP’s right now but have 1500 inning limit and tracking 78 innings over. 10 team, 5×5 with QS (no W’s):
    Scherzer, Tehran, Price, A. Sanchez (DL), Kazmir, Alex Wood, Tillman, Sonny Gray.

    Had Kluber and Porcello, but dropped them earlier. Would you swap out any of these guys? Should I be hitting the breaks when SON says not so good on certain starts (I was going to bench Tillman on the last one for example but didn’t).

    Thanks!

    • Pete says:
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      @Pete: I could shed a bench bat too if I had to.

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Pete: Well Sanchez to the DL will help your innings, but one thing I’ve learned is try to ride your innings a good bit in the red until the final month or two. You’d be surprised how fast your + in innings can shrivel. I think in my ranks I have everyone you have ahead of Porcello and Kluber except Tillman. I still have faith in both, but I think you’re fine riding Tillman

  28. Andre says:
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    Was offered Alex Gordon for Jason Heyward straight up. 10 team h2h keeper league….Avg, H, Hr, Steals, RBI, and runs are the hitting stats. Heywards god awful .BA and lack of runs has been hurting me. Should I make the move or stand pat? My Of is McCutchen, Braun, Heyward, Pagan, Castellanos.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Andre: I think you gotta stand there, Heyward is still really young, Gordon is like 29 or 30 now I think. Heywards runs will go up once they move BJ Upton to 8th like they should

  29. JB –

    What’s up, my man. Great columns and solid insight. How did your hoop seasons go? I actually won my 14 teamer, lost my 16 teamer in the finals. I’ll take it. Good chatting with you re: basketball and enjoyed the back and forth.

    On to the better fantasy sport… I’m a bit of a pitching nerd myself – watch a lot of these minor leaguers and young starters closely, so this weekly post is right in my wheel house. Generally agree with your ROS rankings more or less, which we can delve into later. Keep up the very solid work here, JB…

    Quick questions — all minor league related and normally save this for Scott, but want your take here as well… If these 6 guys get called up, where would you slot them in your ROS rankings – assuming all within the same general time frame of call-up. (though Stroman appears to be closer in TOR):

    Archie Bradley, Marcus Stroman, Kevin Gausman, Andrew Heaney, Alex Meyer, Noah Sydergaard.

    That is all. GO CLIPPERS.

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @EL BURRO: Yo dude! Glad to see ya! Well no titles for me this time out, didn’t have any #1 picks in snake drafts haha. Don’t tell other hoops commenters, but yeah baseball is my fav too… But I’ll take both way ahead of football!

      Really appreciate the kind words!

      Sidebar – LeBron’s hurt!!

      I think I’d go Bradley, Syndergaard, Heaney (love the ballpark), Gausmen Stroman Meyer. Agree, go Clips, so unfair they gotta go through this.

      • @JB Gilpin:

        Nice. Poor Clips. Can’t believe Sterling. Such a goober.

        Pitching: thanks for the opinion. we are close on order. I go Archie, Gausman, Heaney, Thor, Stroman, Meyer. I have Heaney high too. I took another AA level Marlin last year as soon as he got the call, worked out pretty well too.

        You’re really high on Ventura! Like wow high. 98 mph heat will do that. IMO, Still needs secondary offering polish. I’ve been most impressed with his control to date, but think that regresses as he faces better competition next time around. I think I have him closer to ~45, and even that felt bullish… And Iove young players to a detriment.

        Watching Skaggs currently. Looks solid. Keeping his fastball down. Usually key to his success.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @EL BURRO: Hah, agreed. I think we both like Heaney more than most. Yup, very bullish on Ventura, ranked him unbelievably high coming into the year. And I’ve always said this, it has nothing to do with only the velocity. I think the seconday stuff is a lot better than you do, the curve and change-up both look nasty 90% of the time. He’s using that change a ton and not relying on only the fastball ala Cingrani or something. Yeah Skaggs has been awesome, I have him pretty well ranked IMO

  30. Joe G says:
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    Hey dude who you prefer andrew cashnier or tony cingrani?

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Joe G: I’ve got Cashner 24 and Cingrani 31. So Cash money

  31. booya says:
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    Would you trade Kinsler for any or all of these options considering Dozier is available:
    Gio and Pineda?
    Gio and Latos?
    Gio and Masterson?

    Thanks

    • booya says:
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      @booya: I assume you wouldnt take Gio straight up, right?

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @booya: If dire dire need, I don’t think Gio straight up is awful, but wouldn’t love it. I’d try for Gio and Latos and hope Latos can somehow get healthy.

  32. lonestar3 says:
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    am i dropping Harrang or Eovaldi for him?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @lonestar3: Nah I don’t think so, not yet. Def not Eovaldi, but if McHugh has another good one and Harang falls apart next time out, might do that

  33. Allen says:
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    I disagree with this somewhat. I think Skaggs should be on here and eventually I am sure he will be. ;)

    Good list overall though. I love this site and how things are kept so up to date.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Allen: I have Skaggs 64 :)

  34. Jiggy Nits says:
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    Im panicking a big with Shelby Miller in my NL only ROTO 5×5

    Would I be a fool to move him for the likes of Cingrani, Estrada, Wheeler, Travis Wood, or Peralta?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Jiggy Nits: Yeah, the walks have not been good. Not the latter 4. Cingrani though… I have him 2 spots higher and indeed narrowly like him more, I would make that move if possible

  35. Max says:
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    I get cano and homer baily
    I give Kershaw, Ventura and Bradley

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Max: Damn, very close. I’ll lean Cano side for ya

  36. Sheriff McRawDawg says:
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    What up JBizzle?! With a Bauer call seeming imminent (hopefully), where would you throw him on this list, if at all?

    Thanks!

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Sheriff McRawDawg: Whats up man?! Ummm, still not too high, I know he’s made some adjustments but still worried the control could get away from him. I’m dropping Odorizzi out most likely, so maybe high 90s? Around there?

      • SheriffMcRawDawg says:
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        @JB Gilpin: not much man – finally over missing the BB playoffs (screw you Pekovic, et al).. so you’d for sure keep the likes of Peralta, Burnett, Kennedy over Bauer huh?

        what’s your biggest, supreme buy low out there? maybe Salazar falls in that category?

        I need K’s like whoa…

        thanks man!

        • JB Gilpin

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          @SheriffMcRawDawg: Burnett would be close, I’m not buying he can stay healthy and maintain control. Yeah Salazar, maybe Kershaw since he hasn’t started yet, Bumgarner and Darvish have been rocky compared to their normal ace selves. Not worried at all on them. Yeah a lot of hoops injuries late last year and I didn’t have Durant on any teams!!!!

  37. Bob says:
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    Do you like Tijuan Walker or Trevor Bauer more this year?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Bob: Still Walker, more worried about Bauer having implosions.

  38. Wacha Wacha says:
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    Hey JB!

    I need to make a 2 for 1 trade to open up a space for a player coming of the DL. In a 10 team h2h 5×5 cats league non keeper what kind of pitcher should I look to acquire if I am offering Liriano+ Gray/Ventura? Shark, Price, Zimmerman, Hamels, Gio good options to target or am I asking too much/ not getting enoough in return?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Wacha Wacha: Yo man! While I’m not huge on Liriano, Gray is hot hot hot right now, and I love Ventura. I don’t know if trading for any of those slightly better options is that much better, I’d probably hold for those or maybe offer for a little more

  39. Nikko says:
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    Hey JB! Baseball trade question. I was offered Edwin Encarnacion and Yordana Ventura for my Braun and Strasburg

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Nikko: Hey man! Nah I wouldn’t do that

  40. Shawn of the Livid says:
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    Never heard of this McHugh fellow JB. Nice article but I still don’t know what to think, maybe a fringe pick up in a 12 teamer? Could Drop Wily Peralta for him, think that’s a good move?

    Hey um. By the way. I was watching this game yesterday. Powerful offense against a young starter. Ended up being a shutout. And I thought to myself. Do I own that kid on every single team this year? The answer is yes. Is this guy a top 20 starter? Also yes.

    HA! just messing with you man. But wow on that Sonny G start. Guess that WHIP is going to keep falling!

    Sweet post man, always a good read. Thanks

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Shawn of the Livid: John of the blending in! Yeah def fringe, and nah I still like Peralta a bit more. Haha yea very nice start for your boy, after two decent-ish ones. 4 base runners in a complete game will whip drop ya! Will move him up next week for ya :) probably high 20s tho…

  41. malamoney

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    Who wins in this trade: Adam Jones for Strasburg?

    This is a H2H points league where the scoring system favors pitching (+10 win, -5 loss, +1 out, +1 K, -1 BB, -1 ER, -1 H).

    To put things in perspective, last year Cabrera finished with 609, Trout 607 and Goldschmidt 559. While for pitchers, Kershaw had 814, Scherzer 794 and Wainwright 784. Bartolo Colon and Madison Bumgarner finished tied for 9th most points for a starter with 606 points.

    Thoughts?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @malamoney: Hmmm, while yes pitchers score more, it’s kinda like QB in fantasy football… I still like Jones a good bit I think even though I have Strasburg ranked really high I’d still JOnes.

      • malamoney

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        @JB Gilpin: @JB Gilpin: So how does one try and trade for an ace like Strasburg? You have him as your 3rd ranked starter. If you would rather have Adam Jones, who would you be willing to give up to get a pitcher like Strasburg, Scherzer or Bumgarner?

        Wouldn’t the ultimate factor be whether the upgrade in points I am getting from Strasburg over the pitcher he will be starting for outweighs the points lost in the OF spot that Jones was occupying. Likely the OF replacement would be Khris Davis or George Springer. It could be Brandon Moss if Singleton is ever called up or if Gyorko starts hitting.

        Then if Bauer, Stroman or Salazar make an impact, I could move one of them with Shelby Miller for a better OF.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @malamoney: well I’m not a points specialist, but isn’t the drop from jones to those guys pretty substantial? Yeah I like selling Bauer or Stroman with hype

          • malamoney

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            @JB Gilpin: Plugging HitterTron’s rest of season projections into my league’s scoring system it projects Jones to get another 322 points. Add that to the 44 he already has and that is 366 on the season which is a bit low compared to his full season projection of 427 or last year’s 457. The slow start will hurt his numbers. But let’s say he get 400 points.

            HitterTron says Khris Davis will get another 231 points and Springer will get 267 more points. Worst case scenario Iost about 100 points.

            Stream-o-nator projects the following for the rest of the season:

            Strasburg: 470
            Scherzer: 570
            Bumgarner: 485

            I currently start Felix and Greinke. For the remaining two spots I alternate between Sonny Gray, Gerrit Cole, Shelby Miller and Anibal Sanchez depending on matchups. If I get one of the above pitchers I would be starting them every week. That would allow me to trade one of the guys I am currently alternating and throw in Bauer, Salazar or Stroman to get a better OF.

            Perhaps I am just trying to convince myself, but it seem like the right move if I can pull it off.

            Plus if I can get one of those pitchers, I will keep them next year. I will not be keeping Adam Jones. Unless he significantly outperforms Longoria.

            • JB Gilpin

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              @malamoney: So you can only start 4 SP a week? Mmmm yeah that changes a good bit there, the last few points leagues I did were like 7ish if I’m remembering correctly. In that case, yeah you sold me too, those 4 spots are uber valuable, that’s the game-changer for me.

              • malamoney

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                @JB Gilpin: You have them ranked Strasburg, Bumgarner and then Scherzer, but using most projections (including Stream-o-nator), and plugging them into my league’s scoring system, they all say Scherzer will produce more points.

                I am going to see if the Scherzer owner will bite. Strasburg and Bumgarner owners have already bitten.

                Does Bumgarner’s bad start concern you? If so, more than Strasburg’s injury history?

                • JB Gilpin

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                  @malamoney: Yeah Scherzer is locked in right now. Not really worried about Bumgarner, but I think Mad Max is ahead of him for me now thinking ahead to next week’s ranks. Strasburg I still will have above both, is he a little more worrisome injury-wise? Well, yeah, but not that concerned, think too much upside

  42. los locos says:
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    I wrote in yesterday, asking either miley or skaggs… man I was wrong went with miley, awful. but did what you told me, dropped miley for skaggs and this morning dropped chavez for bauer. have Kershaw and fister coming off the DL, my season is about to start.

    Kershaw
    Verlander
    Strausburg
    Fister
    Evoldi
    Wheeler
    Bauer
    Tillman

    In another league.. I dropped masterson for AJ burnett but saw kennedy and skaggs still available, should I drop AJ?

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @los locos: Yeah that was an unfrotunate start, all the numbers said Miley would be successful. Wow, Kershaw AND Strasburg!? Yeah you’ll be fine man. I’m not a Burnett guy at all. I have all 3 of those guys ranked above AJ, still think I have Masterson ranked highest ROS, but short term Kennedy is hot. I’d play matchups between Kennedy and Skaggs

  43. Jimmy says:
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    Drew Hutchinson, Corey Kluber, Collin McHugh, or Alfredo Simon ROS? Need Two.

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Jimmy: Defffffffff Kluber #one. The other 3 are toss ups, I’ll go Hutch I believe I have him highest

  44. AndrewM says:
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    Start or sit Martin Perez tonight?

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @AndrewM: starting, feel solid about it

  45. AMolnar says:
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    If I wanted to trade Liriano and either Ross, Perez, and Hutch who and how high should I be targeting???

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @AMolnar: Hmmm, man I wish Perez did better tonight, would bring back some great value. Also, Liriano is kinda at the bottom value wise, so I don’t think you’d get much of a return. Maybe buy low on Shelby Miller or Homer Bailey?

  46. Al says:
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    just flipped Miller for Homer Bailey in that NL only roto I was telling you about, what do you think?

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Al: Nice, I really like that one, I have Bailey 5 spots ahead even with the lowering I gave him and think he has much better upside

      • Jiggy Nits says:
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        @JB Gilpin: Yeah buddy! Thanks for putting up these rankings – they were very helpful with all the offers I made this week.

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          JB Gilpin says:
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          @Jiggy Nits: Glad they helped man, rootin for Bailey for ya!

  47. Nick M says:
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    I know you’re a huge Kluber fan, but would you trade Lynn and Kluber for Bumgarner?

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Nick M: Oh yes, I’d definitely do that!

  48. los locos says:
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    JB, Gonna have issues when Fister returns, going to need to drop 1 pitcher from this staff, who’s is gonna be?

    Also, should I dump one of my closers for Chavez he has RP/SP elig.

    Eovaldi, Nate(SP) MIA
    Kershaw, Clayton(SP) LAD
    Strasburg, Stephen(SP) WAS
    Tillman, Chris(SP) BAL
    Verlander, Justin(SP) DET
    Cishek, Steve(RP) MIA
    Reed, Addison(RP) ARI
    Bauer, Trevor(SP) CLE
    Skaggs, Tyler(SP) LAA
    Wheeler, Zack(SP) NYM
    Fister, Doug(SP) WAS

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @los locos: Roto I’m not dumping a closer, but in Pts yeah I’d Chavez for probably Reed. Probably dropping Bauer first but I know you stashed him, between him and Skaggs and with Skaggs looking pretty good I think he should be owned.

  49. AndrewM says:
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    JB got a trade question:

    My team looks like this:

    C Lucroy
    1B Teixeira
    2B Aaron Hill
    SS Hanley
    3B Beltre
    OF Cespedes
    OF Kemp
    OF T. Hunter
    Util Ortiz
    Util Desmond Jennings
    B Cuddyer
    B Castellanos
    B Bogaerts
    DL Davis

    Pitching:
    RP Lindstrom
    RP Gregerson
    SP JFernandez
    SP Wacha
    SP M Perez
    SP Liriano
    RP Holland
    RP Robertson
    B Kershaw
    B Sonny Gray
    B Tyson Ross
    B Jenrry Mejia
    B Drew Hutchison

    I have been eyeing Salazar for a trade in “buying low”. This is a keeper 12 man league with lots of bench spots as you can see. The trade I was going to go for was Cuddyer for Salazar. Smart or dumb given my team? Also, I am targeting Kole Calhoun to pickup and i do have a 5 OF’s so it wouldn’t hurt me too bad. Thoughts?

    This guy also has the likes of Mike Minor, Kennedy, Wheeler, Gio, Haren, and Archer. Do any of those fit better?

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @AndrewM: well of possible I’d try Cuddyer for Minor but dunno if he’d do that. Cuddyer for Salazar sounds perfectly even to me. Sure it might be awesome 2 years from now but Cuddyer is still pretty nasty when he can play. I do really like Calhoun but the only drops for me would be either Mejia or Ross. Probably Mejia, but I think you can wait a few more weeks, at least that’s my hope since I dropped Calhoun in one league and want him back!

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