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Even if you draft one or two outfielders in the top 100 (which you should), you’ll still need to identify some late bargains.   The top 20, 40, 60 and 80 outfielders for 2009 fantasy baseball can be found under the 2009 fantasy baseball rankings.  This is by no means all the outfielders I’d draft for one of my teams.  This is a list of guys that will go late and could provide some healthy returns.  Where applicable, click on the players name to read more about them or to see their 2009 projections.  Anyway, here’s some outfielders to target for 2009 fantasy baseball:

Colby Rasmus – Razzle-Dazzle, baby.  Razzle.  Dazzle.

Nelson Cruz – He’s never hit well in the majors for longer than a month.  He’s had lots of opportunities.  Might be the Ludwick pick of the draft or might be on waivers by the 2nd week in April.  Recognize!  Or don’t.  These are your decisions.

Cameron Maybin – Could be a cheap Victorino without the average.  Not a cheap Victorian, i.e. Is she using rat tails to tie up her bodice? Then again, perhaps Maybin is Carlos Lee with less power, more speed and no average.  Or he’s just Mike Cameron.

Fred Lewis – Giants hit him third in a spring training game.  Beans don’t burn on the grill!

Ryan Spilborghs – If he’s the starter then he deserves a spot on NL-Only teams, but I really wish he’d break something to open the door for Carlos Gonzalez, Matt Murton, Ian Stewart or…

Dexter Fowler – Should be the Rockies center fielder.  Will he?  Doubtful, but in keeper leagues, you should own him leaving your draft.

Franklin Gutierrez – The Big FraGu is going to get his chance to put up 15/15 numbers.

Delmon Young – It’s still very early in spring training and I try not to pay too much attention just yet to who’s hitting well, but Young is hitting well.

Shin-Soo Choo – Get on the Shin-Soo Choo train.

Elijah Dukes –  As long as he doesn’t flip out and prove Carl Jung right about aptronyms, you’ll be fine.  For what it’s worth, Carl Jung was never very good at fantasy baseball.

Justin Upton – I put him last because I want to highlight him.  Justin Upton could take the biggest jump of anyone on this list.  He has the potential to be a number two outfielder while being drafted as a four or a five.  His ceiling is, “Superstar.”

  1. Eric W says:
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    Fred Lewis is the only player on this list with a normal name. That’s got to be a negative some how. But I think this is the year dukes and/or Young show why teams are willing to put up with there shenanigans.

  2. Doug Ault says:
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    An Angel get’s wings everytime you mention Fred Lewis

  3. Johnny says:
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    @Doug: hopefully not Villalona cuz that would f*ck with his swing. Might be good for a few extra SB though.

  4. No love for Denard Span? He’ll have tons of walks and bats leadoff on a very formidable lineup. The more I look at the numbers, the more I like him!

  5. Mowses says:
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    I picked Cruz in a lot of my mocks in the early teen rounds. It feels like he’s going earlier and earlier, even ninth round sometimes. I won’t pick him anymore. He is too much a gamble in rounds 9-12 when Ibanez and Werth for example are still on the board, even though they’re boring.

  6. Mowses says:
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    What would be good rounds to target Choo, Upton and Dukes? I end up picking Dukes in round 18 on average as my fourth outfielder and Upton and Choo are long gone by then…

  7. Baron Von Vulturewins

    Baron Von Vulturewins says:
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    @Mowses: Agreed on Cruz.

    Grey, if you ever write an autobiography/release a disco record, I’d suggest considering the title, “His Ceiling Is Superstar.”

  8. Baron Von Vulturewins

    Baron Von Vulturewins says:
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    @Baron Von Vulturewins: Or “Get on the Shin Shoo Choo Train.” Especially for the disco album. Maybe that’s the first single.

  9. mikey boy324 says:
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    grey i noticed in a lot of mock drafts people have been reaching for upton earlier then his mdp suggests what round would you consider drafting him without reaching too much?

  10. @Baron Von Vulturewins: The sequel will be “His Floor Is So Low That He’ll Dig His Way to the Chinese League”.

    @mikey boy324: Based on latest projections, Justin Upton is definitely being drafted too early. He made my ‘ESPN Draft Result Overrated Team’ as he comes in at #124 and his Point Share value puts him at 220 (http://razzball.com/2009-razzball-point-shares/). My POV is that you shouldn’t play it safe after Round 15 so anytime after that is acceptable. I think there’s too much value at Rounds 10-14 to reach this far. I’d rather grab another closer at Round 15 and take someone like Dukes or Maybin in Round 20 or so (who both have better SB potential).

  11. 101 M.P.H. says:
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    Cody Ross:

    1) Intriguing end game speculation for OF power; or

    2) average killing scrub with barely enough pop to keep a major league job

    Discuss.

  12. Baron Von Vulturewins

    Baron Von Vulturewins says:
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    A note on Upton: Baseball Prospectus likes to compare his development to Griffey Jr, another phenom who got called up to the bigs at 19 (!!). So Griffey Year 2 might give some indication of what to expect from Upton Year 2:

    Let’s look at the numbers:

    Year One (AVG/R/HR/RBI/SB)

    Griffey: .264 / 61 / 16 / 61 / 16
    Upton .250 / 52 / 15 / 42 / 1

    …so, pretty similar, save for steals.

    Year Two:
    Griffey: .300 / 91 / 22 / 80 / 16
    Upton: ???

    We can probably expect a similar progression for Upton; something like .285 / 80 / 20 / 80.

    Grey has him at .260 / 70 / 20 / 70 / 7

    Which looks about right. Obviously there’s room for improvement. (“His Ceiling Is Superstar!) but it’s likely Superstar ’10 or even ’11, not this year. Dude’s only 20!

    And Upton looks unlikely to steal even 10 bags unless something dramatic changes.

    All tolled, and given what opportunity costs (i.e. what you don’t get if you reach for Upton in, say, round 12 or, erk, 10), I’d say he’s Round 16 or later. There are lots of OFs who might even go undrafted who can give you .280-20-80-5 in any given year. Can you say Brad Hawpe?

  13. 101 M.P.H. says:
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    Juan Rivera:

    a) Potential four category rebounder at a bargain basement price; or

    b) kitty-soft wuss with a one-way ticket to the 60 day D.L.

    Discuss.

    Or don’t.

    Whatever.

  14. Baron Von Vulturewins

    Baron Von Vulturewins says:
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    @101 M.P.H.: Ross – bleh. Don’t draft a guy who won’t otherwise be drafted, unless you’re in an NL East Only league.

    Rivera: More interesting. Good (often very good) when he plays, but the Angels PT situation is always so screwy. Now they’ve got Abreu to muddy the OF picture. (What have they got, 13 OFs now? Gary Matthews Jr, anyone?)

    I’d stay away but monitor for possible waiver pick up.

  15. Ross says:
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    my bench outfielder is currently krispie young. chin soo choo better in yal’s opinion?

  16. NinjaSpaz says:
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    URGENT REQUEST: Grey, if I can think of one thing that would benefit my fantasy baseball draft more than anything else, it would be the addition of a printable view to this website, so that I can read up while on the shitter without printing 4 pages of comments. Unfortunately, my co-workers frown upon bringing laptops in the can. Go figure…

    URGENT ANNOUNCEMENT: CANNONBALLLLLLL!

  17. Baron Von Vulturewins

    Baron Von Vulturewins says:
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    @Ross: Keep Krispie. Delicious upside!

  18. IowaCubs

    IowaCubs says:
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    But was Carl Jung correct about Thomas Crapper?

  19. IowaCubs

    IowaCubs says:
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    @NinjaSpaz: How about a courtesy flush, man?

  20. Baron Von Vulturewins

    Baron Von Vulturewins says:
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    Grey: If someone’s going to target ONE sleeper OF as this year’s Hamilton/Quentin, who do you like the best? Justin Up-side-ton? Elijah Put-Up-Your-Dukes? Lastings Nat-tastic Milledge? Nelson Cruz Bust-out-amante?

    Name one!

    (Trick question: It’s Jay Bruce.)

  21. IowaCubs

    IowaCubs says:
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    @Baron Von Vulturewins: Re: Upton/Griffey… If you look at their first 500 plate appearances in the majors (back to the 2007 season), Upton is actually better than Griffey. Thanks for the reminder… I keep brushing him off.

  22. Tony says:
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    Rd. 14 is the earliest i’d go on upton, and thats pushing it….

  23. Baron Von Vulturewins

    Baron Von Vulturewins says:
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    @IowaCubs: Also, in his Age 21 season, Miggy Cabrera went .294-33-112. Upton likely won’t touch that, but somewhere between that and .280-20-80 certainly seems possible.

    The lack of steals, though, really limits his upside. He has to steal 10-15 to be a First Five Rounds player, and that’s really unlikely this year….

  24. IowaCubs

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    @Baron Von Vulturewins: Not sure where the steals went. He stole 21 out of 32 between AA and MLB in 2007.

    Justin’s brother Melvin Emanuel Upton didn’t steal much as a 19 year old either, stealing just 20 of 25 between AA and AAA. Maybe it’s just a matter of picking out a sweet nickname like B.J.

  25. Baron Von Vulturewins

    Baron Von Vulturewins says:
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    Just signed up to do a Mock Draft at Yahoo! — and 8 of 12 people were autodrafting. Which means A-Rod goes second. Which means the whole draft is essentially shot.

    Grumblegrumblegrumblegrumblegrumble.

    Here I am tempted to say one of:

    Any Razzers interested in organizing a mock?

    or

    Holy hosanna, mock drafts are a whole new level of time-wasting and I need to do my laundry.

    Not sure which one yet.

  26. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Eric W: Agreed.

    @Doug Ault: Hehe

    @Johnny: You should contact Askimet (Google it) and tell them you’re not a spammer, because you keep ending up in the spam folder.

    @Exonerated: Couldn’t list every single player, but actually I don’t have much love for Span. His numbers won’t be that exciting this year. He’s a bit like Kelly Johnson if he had only OF eligibility.

    @Mowses: In a 12 team league, the difference between the 9th round and the 12th is pretty big. I could see grabbing him in the 12th, not sooner.

    re: the other three — You’re looking at rounds 13+ in a 12 team league. See:

    (http://razzball.com/2009-fantasy-baseball-top-300/)

    @Baron Von Vulturewins: Did you see the brouhaha in the comments yesterday?

    @101 M.P.H.: Cody Ross? Why bother?

    @Baron Von Vulturewins: Did you know Upton hit the longest average home runs last year? Longer on average than Dunn.

    @101 M.P.H.: You don’t need to draft Rivera unless your league is hella deep.

    @Ross: Hold Krispie.

    @NinjaSpaz: I’m computer-stupid with no idea how I would do what you’re asking, but I’ll ask my web designer about it.

    @Baron Von Vulturewins: Jay Bruce is heads and shoulders above those others. Then I’ll put them Dukes, Upton, Milledge and Cruz.

  27. IowaCubs

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    @Grey: But Upton’s steals? How many bases would he have to steal to warrant a 10th round pick?

  28. Frank Rizzo says:
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    @Grey: “Dukes, Upton, Milledge, and Cruz”? WTF? Cruz at the end of the line? How the hell does Texas have him pencilled in as the cleanup hitter then?

    I can see Bruce because of the hype but he’s still extremely young like Upton. Milledge and Dukes won’t have the opportunity Cruz has. Cruz may be Mr. Quad-A but also could be a late bloomer like Ludwick and he hits in freaking Arlington. He is better than 2 of those guys just based on situation imo. I’d probably go Bruce, Cruz, Upton, Milledge, Dukes if I were drafting today. Situation is worth more to me than others apparently.

  29. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Frank Rizzo: Your ordering is fair. It’s not all middle-in pitches I get to swing at in the comments. I just happen to like guys a bit more who can continue to grow rather than guys (Cruz) who should’ve grown for about two years now and just hadn’t. But don’t get me wrong, I’d absolutely take a flier on Cruz too in the right situation.

  30. Baron Von Vulturewins

    Baron Von Vulturewins says:
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    @Grey: I did see the kerfuffle. I resisted weighing in, mostly because all my points had already been made.

    That said:

    I thought the interview was actually pretty respectful and above board. (Has he read Hater Bell?). Any slightly combative parts were clearly tongue-in-cheek. My guess is that ESPN’s PR dept. set him up on about 10 or 20 quick phoners that day, which he was doing back to back. (I’d also lay odds he didn’t even know what site he was talking to during the interview: Rotoworld? Rotoauthority? Rotomasters? Roto-bots? Roto-Rooter?)

    My further guess is that every other interview consisted of questions like “Hanley or Reyes?” or “How did you get to be so smart?” So questions like “Defend your rankings” or “Why doesn’t ESPN make better use of its accumulated league data?” seemed like an “ambush” to him. If that interview seemed like an ambush, that means he a) hasn’t done many interviews and b) should probably stay away from doing interviews.

    My only complaint with your questions was that you didn’t ask him if he’s ever actually read “The Talented Mr. Ripley,” or if he only saw the movie.

    @Frank Rizzo: Cruz does have a Ludwickian air to him. Or Carlos Pena. i.e. highly touted guy who kicks around awhile, losing luster, before breaking out late.

    Bruce, on the other hand, feels more to me like Quentin: Top prospect in a perfect hitting park.

    Remember, Bruce was last year’s Weiters, which should tell you something about Bruce, and Weiters.

    People do seem to assume, though, that because they play in Arlington the Rangers will score 1200 runs, with Hamilton, Kinsler, Davis and Cruz combining for 220 dingers.

    @IowaCubs: Would that I could, but my mock-draft time was frittered waiting on that damnable bunch of autopicking Yahoos!. Maybe next week?

  31. Baron Von Vulturewins

    Baron Von Vulturewins says:
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    Just got my autodrafted mock team by email. Not bad, actually:

    1. Ryan Howard (Phi – 1B)
    2. B.J. Upton (TB – OF)
    3. Carl Crawford (TB – OF)
    4. Nick Markakis (Bal – OF)
    5. Joe Mauer (Min – C)
    6. Rafael Furcal (LAD – SS)
    7. Chris Davis (Tex – 1B,3B)
    8. Mariano Rivera (NYY – RP)
    9. John Lackey (LAA – SP)
    10. Howie Kendrick (LAA – 2B)
    11. Torii Hunter (LAA – OF)
    12. Matt Cain (SF – SP)
    13. Chris Young (SD – SP)
    14. Josh Johnson (Fla – SP)
    15. Max Scherzer (Ari – SP,RP)
    16. Mike González (Atl – RP)
    17. James Loney (LAD – 1B)
    18. Denard Span (Min – OF)
    19. Elijah Dukes (Was – OF)
    20. Jered Weaver (LAA – SP)
    21. Plácido Polanco (Det – 2B)

    Sparkakis! Davis! Denard Span! Polanco!

    Except for Kendrick/Polanco at 2B, I could live with that team.
    I could live with that team.

  32. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Baron Von Vulturewins: re: kerfuffle — Agreed.

    re: autodrafting a mock — If you came out of this run…

    5. Joe Mauer (Min – C)
    6. Rafael Furcal (LAD – SS)
    7. Chris Davis (Tex – 1B,3B)
    8. Mariano Rivera (NYY – RP)
    9. John Lackey (LAA – SP)
    10. Howie Kendrick (LAA – 2B)

    …with only two usable parts, you’d be surprised?

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    @Grey: I get it. The youth movement…..and in theory, that’s probably the best way to go. But I’ll take Cruz following Kinsler/Young/Hamilton in Arlington over Upton behind Krispie/Drew/Jackson (Arizona’s lineup kind of yawnstipating), and definitely over the lineups that Milledge and Dukes are in. Dukes is batting after Dunn…….hilarity ensues. Either the bases will be cleared from a dinger or Dunn’s K ended the inning. Dukes will be leading off a lot of innings this year. And look at who Milledge is batting behind. Awesome!

    Cruz, based on where I’m getting him (I’m in a 10 teamer Yahoo league), is a no brainer. 19R/.330/7HR/26RBI/3SB’s in 31 games is just silly. SILLY! Project that out to about 155 games and you have his ceiling 95R/.330/35HR/130RBI/15SB’s. Yeah, I know those numbers are ridiculous and won’t happen but I’m just kayin…..dude’s got a high ceiling.

  34. Baron Von Vulturewins

    Baron Von Vulturewins says:
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    @Grey: True dat. I just saw Chris Davis in the 7th and got excited. I would never draft Mauer, Furcal, Mariano or Kendrick at these or any spots.

    To be clear, I don’t autodraft for fun. I just bailed on that draft when I realized everyone else was autodrafting.

    @Frank Rizzo: That ceiling is a bit optimistic to me. And by “a bit” I mean “put down the glue, sir.” That’s like a Sistine Chapel-style ceiling.

    Remember, lots of youngin’s tear it up for a few weeks until big-league pitchers get around to figuring out their weaknesses. Somewhere, Kevin Maas and Chris Shelton are playing pattycake together right now.

    Cruz is worth a gamble. But he’s not touching 130 RBIs. Not in this or any known universe.

  35. 101 M.P.H. says:
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    Grey: I apologize for deviating from the outfielder theme, but you brought this topic up in one of your comments from this thread:

    Do you consider John Lackey to be a health risk going in to 2009?

  36. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @101 M.P.H.: I don’t fully trust Lackey after his problems last year, but right now I wouldn’t consider him any more of an injury risk than say Peavy.

  37. Frank Rizzo says:
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    @Baron Von Vulturewins: It was purposeful hyperbole BVV. I know there’s no chance he’s reaching those numbers. But I believe those numbers Cruz put up in 31 games should not be blown off either.

    The point was I believe Cruz has a higher ceiling than the others I listed. And in a Yahoo, 10 team league I’m pulling the guy in about the 13th round or later for an upside bench spot. There’s little, to no, risk…and a whole lotta upside!

  38. 101 M.P.H. says:
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    Re: Nelson Cruz

    Here’s my deal:

    Mixed keeper league, 14 teams, auction format, 5×5 roto, $260 payroll

    25 roster spots in total

    C, 1B, 2B, SS, 3B, 3 OF, U

    9 pitching slots for max of 1600 innings pitched

    + 7 bench spots

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    Your hypothetical maximum bid for Nelson Cruz, please.

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    @grey: there is GREAT potential with all the names on this list. How many of them are too many on any one team? When does the risk outweigh the upside? If I was outfield heavy through round 6 or so (CLee/Beltran, Kemp/Rios, and McLouth/Hart/Victorino) can I pick up a pair of these guys in the late teens and maybe even a third for the Util?

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    @Baron Von Vulturewins: Did you just say “Ludwickian?”

    My fear after last year’s Hamilton story is that there will be a run on this talent far sooner than there should be…of course, that should mean there’s some good value available during that run.

    Hmmm…maybe I should put together a strategy where the Young Studz (kidz dig the “z”, right Grey?) do go sooner rather than later, just to see what might be available!

  41. Grey

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    @sean: Three is too many. I’d go for one, two tops. Also, depends on who they are. I don’t want The Big FraGu on a team with Choo, but I could see him on a team with Cruz.

  42. 101 M.P.H. says:
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    Re: Nelson Cruz

    To give my following question some context, I offer this description of my league:

    14 team
    mixed keeper league
    daily roster moves
    auction format (total payroll $260)
    standard 5×5 roto

    starting roster as follows:
    1 C, 1 1B, 1 2B, 1 SS, 1 3B, 3 OF, 1 Util
    Max 9 pitching roster spots, total max of 1600 innings
    7 bench spots.
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    With the above noted details in mind: Your maximum bid on Nelson Cruz?

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    @Baron Von Vulturewins: I like Span a bit, but I am in a 15 team league. So his numbers have bigger value in our league. I also like the Josh Johnson pick. I think he steps up big this year. He has all the tools, and showed great composure last year. Young pitchers thrive down on the southern Florida Atlantic coast.

  44. Baron Von Vulturewins

    Baron Von Vulturewins says:
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    @Frank Rizzo: All good points. I do, though, think there’s something to be said for the Total Team Effect*, i.e. what was the last team with three or more players to reach 100 RBIs?

    It seems logical to me that only two or maybe three guys on a team can have big counting-stats years, so drafting the fourth or fifth best hitter in a lineup and expected best-hitter results is flawed.**

    @Christopher: My grandfather drove a Ludwickian.

    I think you’re dead-on about the Hamilton Effect*. Just like how, in ’08, everyone was jumping on every hotshot youngster (Bruce) in hopes of repeating ’07s Braun Effect*. There’s a decent chance NONE of these OFs blossom into Hamiltonian .300/30/100 monsters. There’s no cosmic rule that says it happens every single season.

    *Not an actual effect.

    **Or maybe not. Understand, this is my ass talking here.

  45. Christopher says:
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    @Baron Von Vulturewins: Odd, because my great-grandfather was a Ludwickian from Ludwickia…but he married a Hamiltonian…

    The league I’m in (12 teams mixed H2H) has some sharp managers; I’ll be paying close attention, ’cause if there is a run on these guys, there just has to be some value left in the carnage.

  46. sean says:
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    @grey: is Crawford worth a whole post? A lot of other sites are really pushing him as a post-hype buy following his 15ADP masterpiece last year (especially THT to which I actually pay attention). I know in your Top 100 post, you said you like him at 30. Do you like him over other guys in that area like Quentin, Upton, Kemp, and Markakis? If he’s still available in the fourth round is it a no-brainer?

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    Hmm comment just disappeared.

  48. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @sean: One second, I’m updating the blog for DST.

  49. James says:
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    @Baron Von Vulturewins: I understand your point, but every year fantasy baseball gets more and more exposure. Thus, while there were breakouts before Hamilbeast, there could be a run on these players as Christopher suggests.

    I agree there isn’t anything written that a Hamilbeast has to happen, but that is another argument.

  50. Grey

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    @sean: Sorry about that. I had to update the blog for DST. I think Crawford may be worth a whole post. I do like him in the 4th round. And he’s very similar to the players you mention, they all have their pluses and minuses.

  51. Baron Von Vulturewins

    Baron Von Vulturewins says:
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    @Christopher: It’s true — everytime a sleeper goes too soon, that means someone of value gets bumped down.

    Also, every time a sleeper goes too soon, an angel has its wings ripped off. When Rickie Weeks went in the 8th last year, Heaven was full of screams.

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    I picked up Fred Lewis and Shin Soo Choo at the end of my ESPN draft. Production from either one of them would be a bonus. I think that Nelson Cruz took a spin through the hype machine. The big difference between Cruz and Ludwick is that no one had the Cardinals cast away on their radar going into last year.

    Not that I would ever draft the dude, but does Andruw Jones have anything left in him in Arlington?

  53. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Pops: I wouldn’t touch Andruw Jones at any draft spot. He hasn’t been close to good for so long and his bat speed has really slowed.

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    @Grey: Interesting analogy of Elijah Dukes. Have you ever read Pilgrim’s Progress? I think I read it in another life, back when Fantasy Gladiator’s was big.

  55. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @BigFatHippo: I think I was supposed to read it at some point.

  56. BigFatHippo says:
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    @BigFatHippo: Never heard of it till I picked up The Shack by Wm. Paul Young, a pretty good read by the way.

    Didn’t have time to go over all the comments, who do you like best from this list? I’m thinking Choo is the safest because of PT and could get him cheap.

  57. Grey

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    @BigFatHippo: I like them all for different reasons. Choo is a 15/10 threat, which is good for some leagues. Maybin could go 10/30 but be bad in average, The Big FraGu is a potential 15/15 guy…. Etc. All things equal, Upton has the best potential.

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    @Grey: Bleah for a ten team league. But Choo had 14 HRs in 317 ABs last year, is that still his ceiling or could he break out?

  59. The Span analogy for me is Figgins and if that’s the case he has value. I’d much rather have Span be my third outfielder, than Figgins be my 3b.

  60. Steve says:
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    @BigFatHippo: Cheap? I wouldn’t be so sure of that.

  61. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @BigFatHippo: His HR/FB and his isolated power was off the charts with career marks. He has 20 HR potential, but I’d count on 15 and the rest is gravy.

  62. Grey

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    @Exonerated: Potentially, but I don’t see him cracking 30 steals.

  63. BigFatHippo says:
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    @Steve: Go ahead and bid me up.

    Better watch it or I’ll throw a curve and keep Cruz and Sandoval, then steal your pitchers.
    I know who you like!

  64. Steve says:
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    @BigFatHippo: Bro, I fully expect to get taken to school in this league. I haven’t a clue what I’m supposed to be doing in an auction!

  65. BigFatHippo says:
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    @Grey: Time to rethink my keepers (again)!

    I see you advised someone to bid up to 7 on Cruz, should I throw back a $27 Halladay or a $21 Webb to keep Cruz for 5 or Sandoval for 5?

  66. BigFatHippo says:
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    @Steve: I fully expect you to be in the top tier of owners, just follow Grey’s advice.

    Go into it knowing who you want and how much you’re willing to spend on him. FI: I wanted A Rod last year but when he hit 65 I bowed out and took Grady for 46 as my top guy. Needless to say, I was very pleased not to get A Rod.

  67. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @BigFatHippo: No, I wouldn’t make that switch out for Cruz in your situation.

    Out of curiosity, do the rest of the owners (besides you and Steve) have any idea what’s going on?

  68. toWhomitMayConcern says:
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    grey,

    i was thinking about finally making a keeper league this year. in your expert opinion, how many spots would you have each team in a 12 team league keep from year to year? thanks for the help…

  69. Steve says:
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    @Grey: They all think I’m some imaginary friend that’s part of a Hippo plot for him to have two teams and finish first and second.

  70. Grey

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    @toWhomitMayConcern: Up to 5, no more than 8.

    @Steve: See, and people think I’m both of you to make it seem like there’s comments here!

  71. Steve says:
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    @Grey: I think that reflects very
    well on the three of us.

  72. BigFatHippo says:
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    @Grey: Pretty damn competitive, we’ve had a different winner for the last 5 years. Steve, you can check out the history of the league on my Yahoo profile, before that we played in a different league and there’s no history.

    Guys like Markakis, Rios, Kinsler etc. have been kept since they were rookies at a cost of $5 per year increase. Needless to say, keepers are what helps you win as I’ve gone from 4th to 2nd to 1st in the last three years, with a little help from Hanley (till I traded him away, dammit), Hamels and Bills.

  73. BigFatHippo says:
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    @Grey: I’m also a firm believer in cheap players coming off of injury to target late in an auction.

    Example: Maggs for $2 in 06 coming off an injury prone 2 years. Kept him for 3 and he was golden.

    Anybody out there like that to target?

  74. Grey

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    @BigFatHippo: Maybe not to the same extent, but Zimmerman was injured last year. He should be better this year. Matsui *could* bounce back, but his playing time might be limited. Same goes for Swisher. Byrnes also has a few hurdles to get over for PT, but he might bounce back. I’m only fully endorsing Zimmerman here, but the others are potentially in the same situation as the Mags one you mentioned.

  75. BigFatHippo says:
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    @Grey: Yeah, seems like I’ve targeted Zimmerman forever and he’s dissapointed me every year. This could be his breakout so why not? If I can get him for less than 10 bucks.

    Never thought of Byrnes, maybe late for a dollar or two, thanks.

    Don’t like Swisher or Godzilla, what do you think of Sheffield this year?

  76. Grey

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    @BigFatHippo: Sheffield is real old and his average has become a liability, but he seems stubborn as a mule. As a late round flier, sure, why not? But if he’s eligible at only DH, then no way.

  77. BigFatHippo says:
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    Seems like Sheff might have a Delgado year left in him.

  78. Grey do you like Carlos Gomez this year? Prefer him over Span?

  79. BigFatHippo says:
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    @Grey: Maybe Delgado’s a Latin 36?

    I could see him pulling a dreaded groin muscle this year, or godforbid, suffering from bunions and hammertoe.

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