Comments on: I Theoritically Protest that Trade

By: Fantasy Baseball Question

Fantasy Baseball Question — Sun, 04 May 2008 16:09:29 +0000

[...] argument that Markakis is worth more than Gallardo in any case. Not enough that I would veto (Razzball is anti-veto) but the case could be made by a veto-friendly owner. (The tough part is knowing whether the [...]

By: Rudy Gamble

Rudy Gamble — Thu, 01 May 2008 16:53:10 +0000

hey sportshubris -
ok. i can’t speak to the inaccuracies in the retelling of events so i totally support all sides voicing their opinion.

i thought i sensed the natural fantasy baseball reflex to aggressively defend one’s trade as fair when the predominant opinion was that it favors one’s self. i remember defending my Ryan Freel & Kevin Mench for Jose Reyes trade in April 2006 (upheld by ESPN!) while i came up with a whole host of arguments, the objective opinion was that i got the better end of the trade (not coincidentally, we didn’t invite that guy back the next year).

congrats on the trade. while the underdog-lover part of me would like to root for tim on this one (and ervin ‘magic’ santana sure looked good yesterday), i have Johan on too many teams to hope for anything more than a win-win trade…

rudy

By: SportsHubris

SportsHubris — Thu, 01 May 2008 03:32:51 +0000

Rudy-

I was mainly upset with the inaccuracies of the post not with his take on the trade. Grey wasn’t the one who insinuated collusion nor did I say he attempted to veto. What he did do is portray a scenario involving me incorrectly then through his comments he attempted to justify those falsehoods. A number of people in the league responded positively to the trade yet this entire entry is nothing but negative. His main point of not vetoing trades gets lost by the blatant misrepresentation.
I don’t have a problem, but I do have the option of responding don’t I? I’m happy with the results of the trade and I’ll consider the matter resolved until later in the season…look forward to your future, more accurate, articles.

By: Todd

Todd — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:13:28 +0000

I’m in the league where this trade was made and I didn’t feel it was that lopsided. Tim needed some offensive help because his offense blows chunks (typical of a Tim team) but his pitching was strong. He traded his excess for what he needed. I’ve made plenty of trades that on the surface looked lopsided, but served to better my team in the long run.

By: Grey

Grey — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:14:53 +0000

@Tim aka the glue sniffing other party: Thanks for chiming in, Tim. I appreciate you owning up to the trade. I still think you could've done better, but I've actually become a fan of Granderson since this trade and I hope he wins the MVP.

By: Tim aka the glue sniffing other party

Tim aka the glue sniffing other party — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:44:45 +0000

One of my biggest pet peeves, and again it has reared its ugly head, is determining the level of success in a trade situation without looking at it from a detailed team perspective. Without knowing the relative strengths and weaknesses of the parties involved how does one assess a winner and loser? Yes I’m the guy that ended up with Granderson and Ervin and am very happy with those results. My team was stranded in purgatory in the sb, runs scored categories and had what I consider to be strength and depth in pitching. Several comments have been directed towards I could have done better. My reply would be how? The players I would need would be the Reyes,Hanley,and Sizemore’s of the world and realistically the teams owning those players need the runs scored/sb potential and aren’t in a real selling mode just to satisfy the week areas of my team. Granderson batting in a lead off capacity for the Tigers has the potential as proven last year to be a Top 10 producer in runs scored and should toss in 20-25 stolen bases with 20 or so home runs. Hell, ain’t that just what the doctor ordered! I’m a believer that Ervin has the potential to very easily revert back towards that 2006 level of play and have been saying such since witnessing his winter ball exploits. Gimme a break guys, he had a horrible 2007 but does that mean at 25 he doesn’t have the potential to put up numbers that he has already proven capable of. To quote that Ervin has a 4.84 career average is ludicrous. I’m not trading for the 2007 model here and those stats, I’m trading for the current Ervin and the production I perceive he is capable of over the balance of this year. Back in June of 2006 I was involved in the following trade. Jimmy Rollins and Mark Buehrle for Bobby Crosby and Trevor Hoffman. Who won this deal guys?

By: Grey

Grey — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 05:56:33 +0000

@Herb Urban: That wasn't Karabell that was Clemens. And that wasn't just any 14 year old girl, she's a country music STAR.

By: Herb Urban

Herb Urban — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 05:48:28 +0000

Are you saying fantasy baseball is not a good way to meet girls? Shit. Why have I been wasting all these years hoping to get lucky on ESPN fantasy boards? Did you see that Dateline NBC episode with Karabell? He even wore that fake mustache you photoshopped on him. He swears he was doing nothing wrong. He only stopped over the house to advise a 14 year old girl to draft Brad Wilkerson for his monster contract year. I’m buying that.

By: Rudy Gamble

Rudy Gamble — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:59:57 +0000

sportshubris -
what’s your problem? you came out better in this trade. there is no way to analyze it at this moment and come to a different conclusion. grey basically stated this and said he wouldn’t veto.

so what gives? let it go. enjoy having johan knowing you did a fair trade (fair = they accepted it and/or requested it). don’t even try to defend it….you won. no argument to be made…

rudy

By: Russ

Russ — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:08:44 +0000

Great post, Grey. I’m of the mind that “it’s your team, you do what you want.” I don’t know the future and neither do the other owners. I’m just waiting for the day that I can throw a shit-fit when I get a trade vetoed and the player I was forced to keep breaks his leg the next day. Are the people who voted against the trade going to get together to send me a suitable replacement?

We each have our own team for a reason.

By: Grey

Grey — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:00:39 +0000

@SportsHubris: I think you mean, this entry smacked a doucebag.

By: SportsHubris

SportsHubris — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:53:30 +0000

Now maybe you do a lot of trading with grade schoolers because you act like one on the internet…I’ll just be content with the fact you were so irrevocably wrong that you had to respond with Blah Blah Blah…next time you post an entry involving one of my trades try to make it somewhat factual I’d appreciate it. “Just about everyone in the league….” (by which I mean just me) agrees with me this entry smacked of douchebaggery.

By: Grey

Grey — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:39:56 +0000

@SportsHubris: How about I recount this comment exchange?

“Blah blah blah that trade was fair!”
“Not really.”
“Blah blah blah fair!”
“Nope.”
“Blah blah blah liar!”
“Comment recount.”

By: john

john — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:34:31 +0000

Yea, I don’t have Sheff…I took your advice awhile ago on that one. Thanks

By: SportsHubris

SportsHubris — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:32:41 +0000

yeah you formed an opinion than recounted the trade through the eyes of that opinion. That and the recount was paraphrased almost entirely incorrectly. Then you flat out lie to me…I’d have to say shotty job all around. I don’t know how you can sleep at night…hopefully it isn’t with those grade school kids you make trades with.

By: Grey

Grey — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:30:27 +0000

@john: I'd lose Sheff for Quentin. I wouldn't drop Edwin for him.

By: john

john — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:28:19 +0000

Double E is my Util, and Quentin is on waivers..just wondering if its wise to swap them or just stay put.

By: Grey

Grey — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:24:14 +0000

@john: I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying both Quentin and EdEn are on waivers? I want both of them over Sheff.

By: Grey

Grey — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:21:55 +0000

@SportsHubris: Yes, I don't like Granderson or Ervin Santana, that makes my recount biased? A grade school kid could tell you that you can get more for Johan.

By: john

john — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:19:48 +0000

me thinks someone is a bit defensive….i’m all about the questions today Grey, sorry to dump it all on you at once, who’s better offensively at the end of the year, Double E or DropSheffFor Carlos Quentin?

By: SportsHubris

SportsHubris — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:09:43 +0000

Yes it is, what isn’t obvious is why you can’t give a truthful recount/criticism of that trade. You’ve shown your disdain for Granderson many times, and not everyone agrees with you that “Ervin Santana is garbage and everyone knows it”

I mean you went through all that trouble to post a whole story around the trade, and fail to do it honestly. Of course I’m going to defend it…who wouldn’t?

By: Grey

Grey — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:51:47 +0000

It’s pretty obvious why you’re defending the trade.

By: SportsHubris

SportsHubris — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:34:11 +0000

Wow! Can we deal with the facts please Grey? You say just about everyone, but only 3 out of the 15 teams had a negative comment. Please if you guys are holding league conventions without me send me an invite…if not please be truthful in your comments.

By: Grey

Grey — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:24:07 +0000

@SportsHubris: Just about everyone in the league, outside of the two trading teams, had a problem with the trade and they were able to see the two teams.

By: john

john — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:22:19 +0000

yea, i mean right now butler is really just a fill in player for markakis, matsui and victorino…so other than OBP he’s been close to worthless for me

By: SportsHubris

SportsHubris — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:21:02 +0000

I love how people think the round they drafted a player in has any significance to the opposing manager they are trading with…it’s even better when people within the league chime in like they know what’s best for the managers making the trade.
The bottom line is you make a trade to make your team better, and everyone else is pissing and moaning because their team stands pat. Grey in his summary of the trade left out tons of vital info regarding the trade, and it’s quite impossible for anyone outside of the league or even outside the two trading managers to offer an intelligent critique of it.

By: Grey

Grey — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:14:43 +0000

@john: It's a risky move, but one that could pay huge dividends. I say go for it. @chuck: Good luck.

By: chuck

chuck — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:08:13 +0000

funny you mention wainright. he’s owned by the same person i offered fielder to for linecum… and got rejected. ill put in an offer and see what happens. thanks.

By: john

john — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:03:50 +0000

I’ve got Marmol backing up Wood, and no-production Billy boy. Everyone else is a starter or closer or gonna be dropped to make room for the Flyin Hawaiian. I’m thinking you’re gonna want me dropping Billy boy (and I don’t think I would get anything in a trade for him, my leaguemates aren’t the trading type unless its big name deals)

By: Grey

Grey — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:55:29 +0000

@chuck: Yeah, I'd avoid leaguemates that dangle their Wang in my face. I'd see what's the best you can do for Adrian Gonzalez. I'm very high on Wainwright. You should be able to pull that off. Focus on teams that are weak at first and see what pitchers they have. Maybe your leaguemates want too much, if that's the case, just don't trade with them. @john: Wow, that's tough. Parra has struggled, but he's got a spot in the rotation (for now). You have no one else to drop?