Holliday Trade, the Others
November 12, 2008
Category: Hot Stove Rumors
I went over the fantasy baseball implications of the Holliday trade for Holliday the other day. Now that the deal has been finalized, approximately three days later, I’ll go other the other parts of the trade. This part of the trade is also known as, “The Players That the Rockies Received from Beane as He Played the MLB Version of Let’s Make A Deal.” Dan O’Dowd, “I’ll take Door Number 3!” Announcer, “It’s…. Huston Street!” The Rockies fans groan. Anyway, here’s the other schmohawks that the Rockies received in the trade for Matt Holliday and some other fantasy baseball implications:
Huston Street – 2009 Vegas line for Huston Street is an Over/Under of 15 saves and a 60-Day DL trip. You need to know more? Okay, side note. At some point during the 2008 season, I mentioned that I owned Kerry Wood on a team. People commented that they were surprised since in the preseason of 2008 I was down on Wood. I said I owned Wood because everyone was down on Wood. He ended up being a late-round bargain. They’re zigging, man! Then zag. If the Rockies are saying Street is the closer and if he falls far enough to me, then I’m drafting him. As always, SAGNOF. I just know I’m going to end up with Street on a team or two or three. No one thinks he’s going to make it the whole season or get many saves. Whatevs, he might not. I’m still drafting him real late and taking his 15 saves. What, you don’t have a DL slot?
Joey Devine – I’ve already shown you my campaign pin for Devine in 2009. Unfortunately, the louder I sing his praises, the more Devine is going to be hyped up going into 2009 drafts. Make no mistake, this will not make him better, just more hyped. Make sure to keep those two separate in your mind.
Brad Ziegler – No one has come out and said Devine will be the A’s closer in 2009. I just think he will. Ziegler has “Setup man” written all over him. It was written on him by Devine while Ziegler was passed out drunk.
Carlos Gonzalez – Last year, Gonzalez did not show one sign that he was ready for the majors. He’s a decent prospect that needs to be grabbed in keeper and NL-Only leagues as an endgame option. He may not do a thing in 2009. His role will have to be watched in spring training.
Greg Smith – He was the recipient of terrible run support on the A’s (Shocker!), but now that the Rockies gave away their offensive centerpiece, they may look like the 2008 A’s in 2009. Greg Smith is a flyball pitcher heading to Coors — Hey, Gus, leave the balls in the humidor for another twenty minutes. I don’t think they’re done yet. — and Smith doesn’t strikeout many hitters. I want Ubaldo and Francis before Smith on my fantasy teams in 2009 and I don’t really want them either. Understand? Or am I being obtuse?
Tags: baseball, fantasy, fantasy baseball, gonzalez, holliday, huston, smith, trade
November 12th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
3 to 1 odds that holiday is traded by the end of July? and is it me or does this trade make almost no sense for either team for multiple reasons?
November 12th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
@Eric W: Agreed makes about no sense for Rockies, however A’s could capitalize on the deal for a contention run or could trade him for more drafts picks.
November 12th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
how could the a’s contend there starters are a joke they have no offense. and holiday will be exposed as a overrated product of N.L pitching/coors field. not saying he aint good but he aint as good as his numbers in colorado would indicate
.295/18/75/ and maybe 1 stolen base if he is allowed to run
November 13th, 2008 at 7:33 am
@Eric W: I’ll put the odds at 1-2 as in a 66% chance he’s traded within the year.
@Hank: There are rumors that Oakland will put balls in a dehumidor before games that will lead to a return to the Bash Brother days. Holliday and Cust are going for 80 HR combined and one of them is going to nail Madonna like Canseco did (Holliday…it would be so nice…). The A’s are also going to invest in oxygen chambers and/or hermetically-sealed bubbles for Chavez and Crosby to keep them healthy all year.
November 13th, 2008 at 8:28 am
I wonder if The Giants would still swap Lincecum for Rios
November 13th, 2008 at 8:45 am
I kind of like Carlos Gonzalez. I saw him play a few times in Oakland last year and thought he had a lot of talent. Another year of experience and the thin air in Coors should give him a nice bump. He could be usable next year. I’d consider taking a late round flier on him in deep leagues.
@Doug Ault: Hmm… Are you inferring something with that winky smiley face?
@Shogun: I kind of like him too, but he’s still nothing more than a very late flier in deep leagues, like you said. He needs to be watched in the spring to see what role the Rockies are going to be using him in.
November 13th, 2008 at 10:13 am
Nobody know more about his own players and their long term upsided than Billy Beane. I’m shocked that someone as astute as Dan O’Dowd did not wait for a better deal to come along.
November 13th, 2008 at 11:07 am
@Grey: Yeah, I agree. All I’m sayin’ is he looks like a decent sleeper to me. I finally caught part of an episode of The Pickup Artist, and it’s definitely funny. Good reco.
@Terry: Agreed, O’Dowd looks like an O’Dope and I have to think he could’ve gotten more from someone else.
@Shogun: He’s a sleeper for deep leagues, but he hasn’t hit with much power higher than Double-A, so he needs to be taken with some caveats.
Finally someone watches The Pickup Artist for me! Isn’t it awesome?
“My friends and I just finished up this caper and we’re here to celebrate.” Seriously, WTF?!
“Hey, nice boa.” “Thanks, it’s an accessory.” Holy effin’ hey, this show is great.
November 13th, 2008 at 11:40 am
@Grey: I liked it when they kept using the line “I gotta get back to my friends” to seem less needy and therefore more attractive. I don’t recall seeing that being coached to them, but I assume it was. The guys were singing it in unison like a church choir.
@Shogun: That’s all part of DHV’ing — demonstrating higher value.
****BTW, Not sure who cares but the Marlins fire sale continues. They trade Gregg to the Cubs.
November 13th, 2008 at 11:54 am
@Grey: Wow, interesting re: Gregg. Will he be their closer or is he insurance for Wood? They might have acquired him in preparation to observe the “four hour rule”, you know, the one on the Viagra commercials about getting help if your Wood is stiff for more than four hours.
@Shogun: Hehe… Good rule. No, this could mean the end of Wood in Chicago. He’s a free agent.
November 13th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
@Grey: Aha, interesting. Gregg is probably more reliable anyway.
November 13th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
@Grey: Selling Wood to the highest bidder?
Zoinks!
There’s no end to the hilarity…
@Steve: Cubs Losing Wood?
November 13th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
@Grey: Market for Wood softening.
@Steve: Wood Splinters From Cubs? Will Other Teams Harden Their Stance?
November 13th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
@Grey: Cubs cut wood.
@Steve: Cubs Down on Wood?
All Signs of Wood Point Out of Chicago?
November 13th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
man i am relived that tim lincicum and cliff lee won the cy young’s. now the voters only have 2 more awards they can screw up there may actually be a chance they get everything right this year now that would be the fell good story of the season over the rays.
@Steve: ‘Cum Wins, Wood Gone?
@Eric W: Who do you thinks going to win AL & NL MVP?
November 13th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
@Steve: @Grey: Best headlines ever: Man Bites Dog, Dewey Defeats Truman and Cubs Wood Goes South.
That’s if he goes south of course, if he goes north well then it’s just silly, ah f#*^ it, forget it………..
November 13th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
@Grey: Excited Beane grabs Wood.
Just to veer a little – have you been following the Madonna-Guy Ritchie disintegration?
Why does A-Rod want any part of that? I’m waiting for the proclamation from her that he’ll have to use bats made from recycled wood.
November 13th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
i would take youk over pedroia in the a.l mostley because he filled a huge hole by playing a solid 3b with lowell out freeing up 1b. and pujols in the n.l he some how flew under the radar this season. but as long as a pitcher does not win i will be happy because ever since pedro martinez was robbed in 99 (may have been the single greatest year ever for a pitcher) no pitcher has even come close to earning it
@Steve: He spells his name Billy Bean. Google it, if you think I’m wrong.
Back when she did the Sex book, Canseco was perfect for her. Now that she’s 50, she’s perfect for ARod. ARod has never seen a lame decision he didn’t like.
@Eric W: Wasn’t 99 the year that some idiot sportswriter decided not to put Pedro in the first ten spots? Pedro was robbed that year. Badly.
I called Youuuuuk at the ASB, but I think Pedroia might win it. I just hope K-Rod doesn’t win it. The NL is going to be so close. I agree that Pujols should win it. I think Wright might sneak in.
November 13th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
@Grey: That, my good man, is one of those glorious coincidences (if that is the right word – I’m not sure that it is) that comes along once, maybe twice if you’re lucky, in a lifetime.
For A-Rod’s sake (not that I care about him that much), I hope she’s sensational in the sack, because it seems that there’s eff-all other fun to be had in the Madonna household.
November 13th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
***Now hear this***
Swisher traded to Yankees.
For Betemit and a couple of prospects.
November 13th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
ya 99 was the year that 2 writers left him off the ballot because he was a pitcher even though the 1 guy from ny had voted for pitchers in the past. i think youk and pedroia are interchangeable depending on what stats you value the most. wright would not be a bad choice either but i actually have heard some talk about ryan howard cc sabathia and manny it would be a joke if either of those 3 won
@Steve: Guess they didn’t feel complete without an ex-A’s pretty boy.
@Eric W: I think Howard’s got the best shot from those three, but his average makes it hard for me to fictitiously vote for him.
November 13th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
@Steve dam with this move there is even less of a chance i will get to see the great shelley “slam”duncan in a yanks uni this year
November 13th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
@Grey: Will Swisher grow a Grey-like ’stache too? Maybe the Yanks will just relive all their early aught’s FAs – Guthrie can be the new Mussina. Not sure who can be as useless as Steve Karsay or Chris Hammond or Jaret Wright or Carl Pavano….
@Eric W: I propose a reality TV show on YES for Shelley Duncan, Shane Spencer, Kevin Maas, and any other B/C-level sluggers that came up over the years. Wonder what Hensley Meulens is up to these days? I’d totally pay to see Steve Balboni on TV….
November 13th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
@Rudy Gamble: i would watch that especially if it was just jose canseco throwing his knuckle ball to them for about a hour. now just if we could work a former child star in to vh1 would probably pick it up so the whole country could watch.
o i have no idea how to do the @ thing so hopefully that worked
November 13th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
@Eric W: Hit the arrow next to the date/time stamp in the comment you want to respond to for the @ part.
For VH-1, throw in Flavor Flav or Mini-me. Hell, throw them both in.
@Rudy Gamble: @Eric W: The Quadruple A Show — I picture lots of acid-washed jeans. Maas, “So, Shelley and I just completed this caper…”
@Eric W: Just click the little arrow next to the person’s name you’re addressing.
November 13th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
@Grey: @Rudy Gamble: he may not of been that much of a hr hitter but i am pretty sure Steve Lyons would need to be apart of this somehow maybe as a guest star?
and thanks for the help
@Rudy Gamble: @Eric W: How about the Polish Kielbasa from the Brewers Sausage Race? And he always stays in costume, of course.
November 13th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
@Grey: good idea but it should be the one that randall simon cracked in the head with a bat more of a celebrity
November 13th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
@Grey: You cause more confusion with that little arrow thingy man. Took me half a year to figure it out.
Interesting stat by Wilbon on PTI, Thigpen had only 54 saves in rest of career following his record 57.
5 years, 50 mil for K-Rod anybody? Anybody? Think I’ll keep Devine for 5 bucks.
November 13th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
@Eric W: @Grey: I’d be honoured to be a part of that show.
@Eric W: So true. Or maybe Randall Simon and the Kielbasa move in together. What happens when two meatheads stop being polite and start getting real?
@BigFatHippo: K-Rod’s much younger when he did it, but saves are a very fluky stat. He may only get 35 saves in 2009 and it wouldn’t surprise me that much.
November 13th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
@Grey: i think if we get kenny rogers to sign on as camera man we got a show on our hands boys