Comments on: Groaning at Bad Punditry – Drafting Starting Pitchers In The First 3 Rounds http://razzball.com/groaning-at-bad-punditry-%e2%80%93-drafting-starting-pitchers-in-the-first-3-rounds/ Fantasy Baseball Advice Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:06:59 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Rudy Gamble http://razzball.com/groaning-at-bad-punditry-%e2%80%93-drafting-starting-pitchers-in-the-first-3-rounds/comment-page-1/#comment-837 Rudy Gamble Fri, 21 Mar 2008 23:59:00 +0000 http://razzball.com/groaning-at-bad-punditry-%e2%80%93-drafting-starting-pitchers-in-the-first-3-rounds/#comment-837 correct. i drafted santana #1 and haren #5 in my expert league draft and i managed to get projected 3rd out of 12 in runs and rbis. my HR, SB, and AVG are all average but, as you could imagine, i do well in pitching projections. i hear your point on peavy in 2nd round but i stand by my suggestion that his overall value may warrant the pick but his value to your team isn't nearly that high. same reason i wouldn't draft 1B one and two... keep me posted on how the season turns out! correct. i drafted santana #1 and haren #5 in my expert league draft and i managed to get projected 3rd out of 12 in runs and rbis. my HR, SB, and AVG are all average but, as you could imagine, i do well in pitching projections.

i hear your point on peavy in 2nd round but i stand by my suggestion that his overall value may warrant the pick but his value to your team isn’t nearly that high. same reason i wouldn’t draft 1B one and two…

keep me posted on how the season turns out!

]]> By: George http://razzball.com/groaning-at-bad-punditry-%e2%80%93-drafting-starting-pitchers-in-the-first-3-rounds/comment-page-1/#comment-835 George Fri, 21 Mar 2008 23:23:52 +0000 http://razzball.com/groaning-at-bad-punditry-%e2%80%93-drafting-starting-pitchers-in-the-first-3-rounds/#comment-835 I have a different take. You have to draft the best value wherever you are. If Peavy is the best value in the secon round (my league has four keepers- so its even a greater value)- how can you not take him? The questions is- if you are forced to take Peavy because of value- how does that effect everything else? My original thinking was that if I took Peavy and Santana- I would have to punt the power offesnive categories. But your article makes me think, that even if I go pitching heavy early, there is still power and RBI's to be had later on- if I draft smart. I have a different take. You have to draft the best value wherever you are. If Peavy is the best value in the secon round (my league has four keepers- so its even a greater value)- how can you not take him? The questions is- if you are forced to take Peavy because of value- how does that effect everything else? My original thinking was that if I took Peavy and Santana- I would have to punt the power offesnive categories. But your article makes me think, that even if I go pitching heavy early, there is still power and RBI’s to be had later on- if I draft smart.

]]> By: Rudy Gamble http://razzball.com/groaning-at-bad-punditry-%e2%80%93-drafting-starting-pitchers-in-the-first-3-rounds/comment-page-1/#comment-833 Rudy Gamble Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:58:26 +0000 http://razzball.com/groaning-at-bad-punditry-%e2%80%93-drafting-starting-pitchers-in-the-first-3-rounds/#comment-833 hey george - wow, santana/peavy back to back. i don't have the cajones to try that strategy as i feel getting one of them (with a supplement of solid starters) will put me in a strong position for ERA/WHIP/K. so the incremental value of a 2nd one isn't the same as a hitter. but if i were to do it, i'd focus my next 4 rounds on HR/RBI - guys like A-Ram, Dunn, Atkins, Tulo, etc. You can always get speed later in the draft with a Bourn or a Taveras. i'd then just draft on value the rest of the way. i'd take a little bit of chances w/ starters that might be able to get good W and K but have iffier ERA/WHIP (since you've bought yourself margin for error). starters i'd look at are d-lowe, pettitte (late in draft), wang, wakefield, etc. hope this helps... rudy hey george -
wow, santana/peavy back to back. i don’t have the cajones to try that strategy as i feel getting one of them (with a supplement of solid starters) will put me in a strong position for ERA/WHIP/K. so the incremental value of a 2nd one isn’t the same as a hitter.

but if i were to do it, i’d focus my next 4 rounds on HR/RBI – guys like A-Ram, Dunn, Atkins, Tulo, etc. You can always get speed later in the draft with a Bourn or a Taveras.

i’d then just draft on value the rest of the way. i’d take a little bit of chances w/ starters that might be able to get good W and K but have iffier ERA/WHIP (since you’ve bought yourself margin for error). starters i’d look at are d-lowe, pettitte (late in draft), wang, wakefield, etc.

hope this helps…
rudy

]]> By: george http://razzball.com/groaning-at-bad-punditry-%e2%80%93-drafting-starting-pitchers-in-the-first-3-rounds/comment-page-1/#comment-822 george Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:20:49 +0000 http://razzball.com/groaning-at-bad-punditry-%e2%80%93-drafting-starting-pitchers-in-the-first-3-rounds/#comment-822 In a twelve team league, if you draft santant and peavy in the first two rounds- do you have to go bedard in the third? In other words if you go pitching in the first two rounds you have to make sure you win that category. Two pitchers might not be enough. In a twelve team league, if you draft santant and peavy in the first two rounds- do you have to go bedard in the third? In other words if you go pitching in the first two rounds you have to make sure you win that category. Two pitchers might not be enough.

]]> By: george http://razzball.com/groaning-at-bad-punditry-%e2%80%93-drafting-starting-pitchers-in-the-first-3-rounds/comment-page-1/#comment-821 george Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:16:57 +0000 http://razzball.com/groaning-at-bad-punditry-%e2%80%93-drafting-starting-pitchers-in-the-first-3-rounds/#comment-821 If you draft pitching heavy in the first two rounds do priorities regarding hitting change? For example, should you concentrate on steals and runs because you are not going to get any of the big hitters. If you draft pitching heavy in the first two rounds do priorities regarding hitting change? For example, should you concentrate on steals and runs because you are not going to get any of the big hitters.

]]> By: Rudy Gamble http://razzball.com/groaning-at-bad-punditry-%e2%80%93-drafting-starting-pitchers-in-the-first-3-rounds/comment-page-1/#comment-598 Rudy Gamble Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:31:45 +0000 http://razzball.com/groaning-at-bad-punditry-%e2%80%93-drafting-starting-pitchers-in-the-first-3-rounds/#comment-598 hey mediocrates - i'm not as familiar with points leagues but my drafting strategy would depend on the points structure. some leagues skew hitters, some skew pitchers, some are even.... hey zach - um, my article said that it makes sense drafting pitchers in the first 5 rounds. but i'll take the great article compliment anyway :) hey mediocrates -
i’m not as familiar with points leagues but my drafting strategy would depend on the points structure. some leagues skew hitters, some skew pitchers, some are even….

hey zach -
um, my article said that it makes sense drafting pitchers in the first 5 rounds. but i’ll take the great article compliment anyway :)

]]> By: Zach http://razzball.com/groaning-at-bad-punditry-%e2%80%93-drafting-starting-pitchers-in-the-first-3-rounds/comment-page-1/#comment-595 Zach Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:07:11 +0000 http://razzball.com/groaning-at-bad-punditry-%e2%80%93-drafting-starting-pitchers-in-the-first-3-rounds/#comment-595 Great article. I would agree that it's silly to draft pitchers in the first 5 rounds. Like you mentioned, there is great value at pitching once Peavy and Santana are off the board. - http://www.mlbfantasy.info Great article. I would agree that it’s silly to draft pitchers in the first 5 rounds. Like you mentioned, there is great value at pitching once Peavy and Santana are off the board.

- http://www.mlbfantasy.info

]]> By: Mediocrates http://razzball.com/groaning-at-bad-punditry-%e2%80%93-drafting-starting-pitchers-in-the-first-3-rounds/comment-page-1/#comment-566 Mediocrates Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:44:43 +0000 http://razzball.com/groaning-at-bad-punditry-%e2%80%93-drafting-starting-pitchers-in-the-first-3-rounds/#comment-566 Wow, I stumbled on to this website and I must say it's great! I'm shameful to admit I was one of those peop... shee... sheeple to buy into a lot of those "expert" strategies, but I always felt like there was something wrong with them. You guys here nailed it, though I never blindly followed the strategies I think I put too much emphasis on not paying for saves and waiting on pitching. No more! One question though, a lot of your info is about roto/category scoring situations, does this change in points leagues? I dig the site, and I'd tell more people about except then they'd know not to follow the experts, and I can't have that! <em>Mediocrates's last blog post..<a href='http://somethingyoucanuse.blogspot.com/2008/03/fantasy-baseball-team-names.html' rel="nofollow">I Got No $@#!ing Dukes</a></em> Wow, I stumbled on to this website and I must say it’s great! I’m shameful to admit I was one of those peop… shee… sheeple to buy into a lot of those “expert” strategies, but I always felt like there was something wrong with them. You guys here nailed it, though I never blindly followed the strategies I think I put too much emphasis on not paying for saves and waiting on pitching. No more! One question though, a lot of your info is about roto/category scoring situations, does this change in points leagues? I dig the site, and I’d tell more people about except then they’d know not to follow the experts, and I can’t have that!

Mediocrates’s last blog post..I Got No $@#!ing Dukes

]]> By: Fantasy Baseball Strategy http://razzball.com/groaning-at-bad-punditry-%e2%80%93-drafting-starting-pitchers-in-the-first-3-rounds/comment-page-1/#comment-548 Fantasy Baseball Strategy Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:18:09 +0000 http://razzball.com/groaning-at-bad-punditry-%e2%80%93-drafting-starting-pitchers-in-the-first-3-rounds/#comment-548 [...] it Autodraft Strategy, etc.  Yesterday, our very own Rudy Gamble went over his reasoning behind why you should draft a starting pitcher in the first three rounds. Today, we’ll stop the madness [...] [...] it Autodraft Strategy, etc.  Yesterday, our very own Rudy Gamble went over his reasoning behind why you should draft a starting pitcher in the first three rounds. Today, we’ll stop the madness [...]

]]> By: Rudy Gamble http://razzball.com/groaning-at-bad-punditry-%e2%80%93-drafting-starting-pitchers-in-the-first-3-rounds/comment-page-1/#comment-547 Rudy Gamble Tue, 04 Mar 2008 04:54:43 +0000 http://razzball.com/groaning-at-bad-punditry-%e2%80%93-drafting-starting-pitchers-in-the-first-3-rounds/#comment-547 hey iowacubs - yeah, i think a phrase has officially jumped the shark when a yahoo! sports fantasy writer decides to appropriate it for johan santana.... <em>Rudy Gamble's last blog post..<a href='http://razzball.com/groaning-at-bad-punditry-%e2%80%93-drafting-starting-pitchers-in-the-first-3-rounds/' rel="nofollow">Groaning at Bad Punditry – Drafting Starting Pitchers In The First 3 Rounds</a></em> hey iowacubs – yeah, i think a phrase has officially jumped the shark when a yahoo! sports fantasy writer decides to appropriate it for johan santana….

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