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Loyal (or at least frequent) readers of this site know that Grey LOVES to rub it in my face whenever he is right about a player and I am wrong.  I think he has an archive of every conversation we ever had for that expressed purpose.  It’s like he is keeping an NSA dossier on me and the S stands for Spite.

In the spirit of transparency – and maybe actual learning – I stitched together our 12-team mixed $ values for 2014 so there is a complete comparison out there for you to see.  I am only including players where one of us gave the player a $0+ value as once you agree a guy is undraftable, there is no reason for further debate.

Some other notes:

  • Through the preseason, Grey and I update our rankings nearly every day – usually driven by expected changes in playing time.  This table will change as we update our $ values.
  • Here are some general findings on our differences:
    • Grey prices star players outside Cabrera/Trout higher than I do.  We both agree that Goldschmidt is the 3rd ranked player (CORRECTION:  I actually have him 4th) but I price that at $31 vs. his $41.  My values show Miguel Cabrera and Mike Trout so far ahead in projected value that I would go over $40 for them and would barely crack $30 for anyone else.  If Cabrera, Trout, and Goldschmidt went at Grey’s prices in a 12-team auction, I think the Cabrera/Trout teams are way ahead (~$10) in team value.
    • Grey has a hatred for MIs without plus power or speed.  He always has low values for the Daniel Murphy/Martin Prado type.  Not surprising that several of the guys where I am much higher than Grey fall in that camp.
    • Grey will price guys with unsure playing time at $1-$2 if he sees upside potential (think Dee Gordon) where my values are based solely on projected stats/playing time.  In 12-team mixed leagues, I consider positions like 5th SP, 5th OF, MI, and UTIL to be ‘streaming’ positions and would have no problem taking ‘upside’ bets for those positions.
    • Grey has a hit/pitch ratio of 68.5/31.5 where mine is 67/33.  So his hitter values are slightly higher than mine.  For pitching, our total $ for SP is similar but my reliever $ dwarf his (the equivalent of $26/team vs. $15/team).  This reflects our differing opinions on RP (I value them higher given their contributions to ERA/WHIP/K while Grey is SAGNOF).  I think Grey’s position makes more sense if you are fantastic at getting guys off the FA wire before anyone else.  My thinking is there are maybe 1-2 people per league who will always be quickest and I have no faith I will be one of them.
    • At the position level, I put more $ towards catching (4.4% of $ vs. 2.6%) as Grey prices to ‘punt’ where I price based on projected value (but would only draft if a catcher came at a nice discount) and Grey is more bullish on 1B/3B (21% of $ vs. 17%).  He is only 1-3% higher than me on 2B/SS and OF.
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# Name Team Pos Grey $ Rudy $ Grey minus Rudy $
Peter Bourjos STL OF 9 -7.7 16.7
Cody Asche PHI 3B 11 -3.7 14.7
Jose Bautista TOR OF 31 18.6 12.4
Julio Teheran ATL SP 21 8.7 12.3
Albert Pujols LAA 1B 31 19.4 11.6
Matt Moore TB SP 19 7.8 11.2
Bryce Harper WAS OF 32 21.0 11.0
Eric Young NYN OF 1 -9.8 10.8
Sonny Gray OAK SP 13 2.2 10.8
Alex Cobb TB SP 21 10.2 10.8
Evan Longoria TB 3B 31 20.9 10.1
Paul Goldschmidt ARI 1B 41 31.0 10.0
Homer Bailey CIN SP 21 11.8 9.2
Robinson Cano SEA 2B 35 25.8 9.2
Joey Votto CIN 1B 31 21.9 9.1
Wil Myers TB OF 23 14.1 8.9
Francisco Liriano PIT SP 18 9.5 8.5
Marlon Byrd PHI OF 2 -6.2 8.2
Anibal Sanchez DET SP 21 12.9 8.1
Kelly Johnson NYA 2B, OF 1 -6.9 7.9
Martin Perez TEX SP 4 -3.9 7.9
Freddie Freeman ATL 1B 28 20.2 7.8
Ryan Zimmerman WAS 3B 25 17.4 7.6
Randall Delgado ARI SP, RP 4 -3.5 7.5
Carl Crawford LAN OF 6 -1.5 7.5
Dee Gordon LAN SS 2 -5.4 7.4
Alex Gordon KC OF 22 14.7 7.3
Matt Lindstrom CHA RP 1 -6.1 7.1
Prince Fielder TEX 1B 34 26.9 7.1
Adam Jones BAL OF 35 28.1 6.9
Matt Adams STL 1B 11 4.1 6.9
Jean Segura MIL SS 27 20.2 6.8
Stephen Strasburg WAS SP 25 18.3 6.7
Sergio Santos TOR RP 1 -5.6 6.6
Andrew McCutchen PIT OF 40 33.4 6.6
Brandon Moss OAK 1B, OF 12 5.6 6.4
Ryan Howard PHI 1B 4 -2.3 6.3
Justin Smoak SEA 1B 1 -5.3 6.3
Lorenzo Cain KC OF 3 -3.1 6.1
Jay Bruce CIN OF 29 22.9 6.1
David Freese LAA 3B 5 -1.0 6.0
Gio Gonzalez WAS SP 18 12.1 5.9
David Wright NYN 3B 27 21.1 5.9
Elvis Andrus TEX SS 24 18.2 5.8
Jose Reyes TOR SS 24 18.2 5.8
Devin Mesoraco CIN C 1 -4.7 5.7
Todd Frazier CIN 3B 10 4.3 5.7
Carlos Gonzalez COL OF 33 27.4 5.6
Everth Cabrera SD SS 12 6.4 5.6
Justin Verlander DET SP 23 17.4 5.6
Ian Kinsler DET 2B 24 18.6 5.4
Chad Qualls HOU RP 1 -4.3 5.3
Ian Desmond WAS SS 25 19.9 5.1
Hanley Ramirez LAN SS 30 24.9 5.1
Jonathan Broxton CIN RP 1 -4.0 5.0
Alex Rios TEX OF 26 21.0 5.0
Josh Donaldson OAK 3B 21 16.0 5.0
Zack Greinke LAN SP 19 14.0 5.0
Felix Hernandez SEA SP 26 21.1 4.9
B.J. Upton ATL OF 5 0.2 4.8
Jordan Zimmermann WAS SP 17 12.3 4.7
Dustin Pedroia BOS 2B 25 20.3 4.7
Brandon Belt SF 1B 11 6.3 4.7
Wily Peralta MIL SP 1 -3.6 4.6
Jose Dariel Abreu CHA 1B 20 15.5 4.5
Madison Bumgarner SF SP 24 19.5 4.5
Jered Weaver LAA SP 10 5.5 4.5
Desmond Jennings TB OF 12 7.6 4.4
Mike Zunino SEA C 1 -3.4 4.4
Clay Buchholz BOS SP 5 0.7 4.3
Alcides Escobar KC SS 7 2.7 4.3
Hunter Pence SF OF 21 16.8 4.2
Josh Hamilton LAA OF 16 11.8 4.2
Travis d’Arnaud NYN C 1 -3.2 4.2
Kolten Wong STL 2B 3 -1.2 4.2
Gerrit Cole PIT SP 13 8.8 4.2
Rajai Davis DET OF 1 -3.1 4.1
Jose Fernandez MIA SP 22 17.9 4.1
Matt Kemp LAN OF 16 11.9 4.1
Chris Archer TB SP 7 3.0 4.0
Eric Hosmer KC 1B 23 19.1 3.9
Zack Cozart CIN SS 1 -2.9 3.9
Jayson Werth WAS OF 17 13.1 3.9
Chris Davis BAL 1B 33 29.2 3.8
Giancarlo Stanton MIA OF 28 24.3 3.7
Mike Moustakas KC 3B 9 5.3 3.7
Jason Kipnis CLE 2B 25 21.3 3.7
Michael Brantley CLE OF 6 2.4 3.6
Taijuan Walker SEA SP 4 0.4 3.6
Edwin Encarnacion TOR 1B 29 25.4 3.6
Matt Cain SF SP 14 10.5 3.5
Zack Wheeler NYN SP 5 1.6 3.4
Yu Darvish TEX SP 28 24.7 3.3
Adam Wainwright STL SP 25 21.7 3.3
Justin Masterson CLE SP 13 9.7 3.3
Ubaldo Jimenez BAL SP 4 0.9 3.1
Mark Trumbo ARI 1B, OF 20 16.9 3.1
Brandon Phillips CIN 2B 14 11.2 2.8
Corey Hart SEA 1B 4 1.2 2.8
Daniel Nava BOS OF 1 -1.7 2.7
Adrian Beltre TEX 3B 29 26.4 2.6
Rick Porcello DET SP 10 7.4 2.6
Will Middlebrooks BOS 3B 10 7.5 2.5
Jacoby Ellsbury NYA OF 26 23.5 2.5
Ryan Braun MIL OF 31 28.5 2.5
Cliff Lee PHI SP 24 21.6 2.4
Billy Butler KC DH 18 15.6 2.4
Dexter Fowler HOU OF 8 5.6 2.4
Joakim Soria TEX RP 4 1.8 2.2
Brett Gardner NYA OF 6 3.8 2.2
Justin Upton ATL OF 27 24.9 2.1
Austin Jackson DET OF 8 5.9 2.1
Max Scherzer DET SP 26 23.9 2.1
Ricky Nolasco MIN SP 1 -0.9 1.9
Anthony Rendon WAS 2B 3 1.1 1.9
Doug Fister WAS SP 14 12.2 1.8
Masahiro Tanaka NYA SP 13 11.2 1.8
Erasmo Ramirez SEA SP 1 -0.8 1.8
Troy Tulowitzki COL SS 28 26.2 1.8
Mike Napoli BOS 1B 12 10.4 1.6
Andrelton Simmons ATL SS 9 7.4 1.6
Scooter Gennett MIL 2B 1 -0.5 1.5
Anthony Rizzo CHN 1B 20 18.5 1.5
Pedro Alvarez PIT 3B 14 12.6 1.4
Josh Johnson SD SP 1 -0.2 1.2
Chris Tillman BAL SP 7 5.8 1.2
Jimmy Rollins PHI SS 8 6.9 1.1
Chris Sale CHA SP 22 20.9 1.1
Miguel Montero ARI C 1 0.0 1.0
Manny Machado BAL 3B 9 8.0 1.0
Jason Castro HOU C 3 2.0 1.0
Hisashi Iwakuma SEA SP 10 9.1 0.9
Curtis Granderson NYN OF 8 7.1 0.9
Billy Hamilton CIN OF 16 15.1 0.9
Carlos Gomez MIL OF 22 21.1 0.9
Jarrod Saltalamacchia MIA C 1 0.1 0.9
Jon Lester BOS SP 10 9.1 0.9
Shane Victorino BOS OF 12 11.2 0.8
Jake Peavy BOS SP 5 4.2 0.8
Shin-Soo Choo TEX OF 24 23.2 0.8
Jhonny Peralta STL SS 1 0.4 0.6
Nolan Arenado COL 3B 11 10.5 0.5
Allen Craig STL 1B, OF 17 16.5 0.5
Drew Smyly DET SP 4 3.5 0.5
A.J. Pierzynski BOS C 1 0.5 0.5
Chase Utley PHI 2B 9 8.6 0.4
Aaron Hill ARI 2B 14 13.6 0.4
Asdrubal Cabrera CLE SS 7 6.6 0.4
David Robertson NYA RP 11 10.6 0.4
Clayton Kershaw LAN SP 28 27.7 0.3
Corey Kluber CLE SP 5 4.7 0.3
Mike Minor ATL SP 10 9.7 0.3
Jason Grilli PIT RP 8 7.7 0.3
Andrew Cashner SD SP 7 6.8 0.2
Matt Carpenter STL 2B, 3B 12 11.8 0.2
LaTroy Hawkins COL RP 2 1.8 0.2
Aroldis Chapman CIN RP 8 7.8 0.2
Huston Street SD RP 4 3.9 0.1
Sergio Romo SF RP 8 8.0 0.0
Avisail Garcia CHA OF 6 6.0 0.0
Adrian Gonzalez LAN 1B 20 20.0 0.0
James Shields KC SP 14 14.0 0.0
J.J. Hoover CIN RP 1 1.0 0.0
Starling Marte PIT OF 23 23.2 -0.2
Carlos Santana CLE C,1B 14 14.3 -0.3
Shelby Miller STL SP 10 10.3 -0.3
Carlos Beltran NYA OF 18 18.4 -0.4
Michael Wacha STL SP 11 11.5 -0.5
Brett Lawrie TOR 3B 9 9.6 -0.6
David Price TB SP 19 19.6 -0.6
Chris Johnson ATL 3B 1 1.7 -0.7
Chris Owings ARI SS 1 1.7 -0.7
Johnny Cueto CIN SP 5 5.7 -0.7
Nelson Cruz BAL OF 8 8.7 -0.7
Yoenis Cespedes OAK OF 16 16.8 -0.8
Mike Trout LAA OF 43 44.0 -1.0
Ben Revere PHI OF 1 2.0 -1.0
Ben Zobrist TB 2B, SS, OF 14 15.0 -1.0
Leonys Martin TEX OF 6 7.0 -1.0
Rex Brothers COL RP 0 1.1 -1.1
Michael Cuddyer COL OF 17 18.1 -1.1
Mat Latos CIN SP 7 8.2 -1.2
Alejandro De Aza CHA OF 3 4.2 -1.2
Kyle Seager SEA 3B 12 13.4 -1.4
Yasiel Puig LAN OF 29 30.4 -1.4
Kendrys Morales FA 1B 4 5.5 -1.5
Pablo Sandoval SF 3B 9 10.7 -1.7
Mark Melancon PIT RP 1 2.7 -1.7
Cole Hamels PHI SP 10 11.7 -1.7
Matt Holliday STL OF 18 19.7 -1.7
Jesse Crain HOU RP -1 0.8 -1.8
Derek Jeter NYA SS 1 2.8 -1.8
Kole Calhoun LAA OF 5 6.8 -1.8
Dillon Gee NYN SP 1 2.9 -1.9
Tanner Scheppers TEX SP 1 2.9 -1.9
C.J. Wilson LAA SP 5 6.9 -1.9
Rafael Soriano WAS RP 4 5.9 -1.9
Yovani Gallardo MIL SP 1 2.9 -1.9
John Axford CLE RP 2 3.9 -1.9
Koji Uehara BOS RP 11 13.1 -2.1
Jonathan Villar HOU SS 1 3.1 -2.1
Hiroki Kuroda NYA SP 5 7.2 -2.2
Adam LaRoche WAS 1B 2 4.2 -2.2
Tyler Skaggs LAA SP 1 3.2 -2.2
Howie Kendrick LAA 2B 9 11.3 -2.3
Wilson Ramos WAS C 3 5.4 -2.4
Alfonso Soriano NYA OF 8 10.5 -2.5
Yordano Ventura KC SP 1 3.5 -2.5
Casey Janssen TOR RP 4 6.6 -2.6
Christian Yelich MIA OF 3 5.6 -2.6
Jedd Gyorko SD 2B 15 17.7 -2.7
David Ortiz BOS DH 18 20.7 -2.7
Jed Lowrie OAK 2B, SS 4 6.8 -2.8
Tim Lincecum SF SP 5 7.8 -2.8
R.A. Dickey TOR SP 5 7.9 -2.9
Xander Bogaerts BOS 3B 1 4.0 -3.0
Trevor Rosenthal STL RP 11 14.0 -3.0
Adam Lind TOR 1B 2 5.1 -3.1
Colby Rasmus TOR OF 1 4.1 -3.1
Michael Bourn CLE OF 2 5.1 -3.1
Coco Crisp OAK OF 12 15.1 -3.1
Kenley Jansen LAN RP 15 18.2 -3.2
Jose Veras CHN RP 2 5.4 -3.4
Mark Teixeira NYA 1B 4 7.4 -3.4
Jaime Garcia STL SP -3 0.5 -3.5
Bobby Parnell NYN RP 2 5.5 -3.5
Domonic Brown PHI OF 8 11.6 -3.6
J.J. Hardy BAL SS 3 6.6 -3.6
Jake McGee TB RP -3 0.7 -3.7
Matt Dominguez HOU 3B 2 5.8 -3.8
Trevor Cahill ARI SP -3 0.8 -3.8
Tommy Hunter BAL RP 1 4.8 -3.8
Jose Altuve HOU 2B 15 18.9 -3.9
Chris Carter HOU 1B, OF 1 4.9 -3.9
Felix Doubront BOS SP -2 2.0 -4.0
Josh Willingham MIN OF 2 6.0 -4.0
Danny Salazar CLE SP 10 14.0 -4.0
Ervin Santana ATL SP 4 8.1 -4.1
Phil Hughes MIN SP -3 1.1 -4.1
Jenrry Mejia NYN SP -3 1.2 -4.2
Trevor Plouffe MIN 3B -1 3.2 -4.2
Dan Haren LAN SP 1 5.2 -4.2
Ivan Nova NYA SP 1 5.4 -4.4
Jose Quintana CHA SP -1 3.4 -4.4
Bartolo Colon NYN SP 1 5.5 -4.5
Tony Cingrani CIN SP 10 14.5 -4.5
Jason Heyward ATL OF 16 20.5 -4.5
Nate Schierholtz CHN OF -2 2.5 -4.5
Buster Posey SF C,1B 14 18.5 -4.5
Chase Headley SD 3B 4 8.5 -4.5
Justin Morneau COL 1B 4 8.6 -4.6
Torii Hunter DET OF 8 12.6 -4.6
Danny Duffy KC SP -3 1.7 -4.7
Hector Santiago LAA SP 1 5.8 -4.8
Glen Perkins MIN RP 8 12.8 -4.8
Steve Cishek MIA RP 3 7.9 -4.9
Tyson Ross SD SP -2 2.9 -4.9
CC Sabathia NYA SP 5 10.0 -5.0
Greg Holland KC RP 12 17.1 -5.1
Miguel Cabrera DET 3B 42 47.1 -5.1
Craig Kimbrel ATL RP 15 20.2 -5.2
Erick Aybar LAA SS 3 8.3 -5.3
Matt Wieters BAL C 6 11.4 -5.4
Joe Nathan DET RP 8 13.4 -5.4
Jim Johnson OAK RP 3 8.4 -5.4
Addison Reed ARI RP 8 13.4 -5.4
Norichika Aoki KC OF 8 13.4 -5.4
Denard Span WAS OF 1 6.4 -5.4
Victor Martinez DET DH 1 6.7 -5.7
Josh Reddick OAK OF -2 3.7 -5.7
Dan Straily OAK SP -2 3.7 -5.7
Yadier Molina STL C 6 11.7 -5.7
Alexei Ramirez CHA SS 3 8.8 -5.8
Matt Garza MIL SP 1 7.0 -6.0
A.J. Burnett PHI SP 5 11.0 -6.0
Brian Dozier MIN 2B 0 6.3 -6.3
Wei-Yin Chen BAL SP -3 3.4 -6.4
Starlin Castro CHN SS 8 14.5 -6.5
Lance Lynn STL SP 5 11.6 -6.6
Aramis Ramirez MIL 3B 5 11.6 -6.6
Salvador Perez KC C 3 9.6 -6.6
Hyun-Jin Ryu LAN SP 7 13.6 -6.6
Alex Torres SD RP -2 4.7 -6.7
Nick Swisher CLE 1B, OF 2 8.7 -6.7
Evan Gattis ATL C, OF 3 9.7 -6.7
Jim Henderson MIL RP 2 8.7 -6.7
Omar Infante KC 2B -1 5.8 -6.8
Scott Kazmir OAK SP 1 8.0 -7.0
Junior Lake CHN OF -2 5.2 -7.2
Fernando Rodney SEA RP 2 9.4 -7.4
Adam Eaton CHA OF 3 10.4 -7.4
Khris Davis MIL OF 3 10.6 -7.6
Brad Miller SEA SS 8 15.6 -7.6
Marco Estrada MIL SP -2 5.7 -7.7
Jeff Samardzija CHN SP 4 12.0 -8.0
Joe Mauer MIN C 3 11.1 -8.1
Jonathan Papelbon PHI RP 3 11.1 -8.1
A.J. Griffin OAK SP -3 5.3 -8.3
Grant Balfour TB RP 2 10.7 -8.7
Will Venable SD OF 7 15.8 -8.8
Alex Wood ATL SP -2 6.8 -8.8
Jonathan Lucroy MIL C 3 12.0 -9.0
Nate Jones CHA RP 1 10.0 -9.0
Wilin Rosario COL C 14 23.1 -9.1
Oswaldo Arcia MIN OF -1 8.2 -9.2
Nick Markakis BAL OF -3 6.5 -9.5
Brian McCann NYA C 6 16.0 -10.0
Ernesto Frieri LAA RP 3 13.2 -10.2
Angel Pagan SF OF -3 7.6 -10.6
Martin Prado ARI 2B, 3B, OF 4 14.7 -10.7
Neil Walker PIT 2B 0 11.4 -11.4
Daniel Murphy NYN 2B 0 11.6 -11.6
Corey Dickerson COL OF -2 13.1 -15.1

 

 

 

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  1. Grey

    Grey says:
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    Just holding onto it for, ya know, posterity…

  2. mrrr says:
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    @Rudy I think my rankings were pretty similar to yours based on our NFBC draft – there were a lot of players that you sniped me on. I’m hoping you are wrong on Sonny Gray since I own him for cheap in my AL-only keeper league.

    • yeah, you sniped me on Jason Castro as my C1 and Derek Norris as a strong C3 (after i picked AJ Ellis as a weak C2).

      • mrrr says:
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        @Rudy Gamble: Griffin, Mous, Lake, and Hudson were all guys we were targeting when you took them. Hudson especially. Hard to sit there for 28 picks knowing you’re picking right in front us.

        Hoping Chapman comes back quickly – that’s a big loss in that format and Hoover went before we could back him up.

        • I saved you on Griffin. Like-minded thinking on the other three. I skipped Hudson as my SP6 to take Archie Bradley in the hopes that he would make it 28 more picks given his low ADP. Was lucky you were behind me!

          Yeah, that’s rough on Chapman. You slept a little long on Hoover as he got picked in the 37th round after I drafted AJ Ramos and Daniel Webb. Damn, right position. Why couldn’t Salvador Perez hit Cishek or Nate Jones in the face instead? I was able to back up K-Rob with Kelley really late but Brian Wilson went in the 30th round – way earlier than I wanted him for backing up Jansen.

          • mrrr says:
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            @Rudy Gamble: yep, can’t complain on missing Griffin. Hudson was the big one – with Darvish early was hoping to target some good ratio / low k guys later.

            After Clippard went early we backed off a bit on making sure our closers were backed up and tried to fill holes in MI and build up some SP options.

            I liked the Kelley pick, was eying him around then though I suspect if K-rob doesn’t work out the Yankees might look for a proven closer in trade like they did with Soriano a couple of years ago. Brian Wilson went a couple of rounds before we had targeted him as well.

            • yeah, i like Hudson because he’s reliable on WHIP, has a solid middle infield for fielding ground balls, and has a great home park.

              agreed on Kelley. if K-Rob goes down, hard to see them trusting Kelley. it’s actually one of K-Rob’s selling points this year – inexpensive to no handcuff. i’ve noted handcuff cost as a reason to steer clear of John Axford (Allen) and Huston Street (Benoit).

              • mrrr says:
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                @Rudy Gamble: were you specifically targeting a prospect when you took Bradley? We bumped up Gausman a bit at that point since they started to go and was looking for some ace-like upside.

                • Yes. It was like the 21st round and I had 28 picks until #22. Felt prospecting was nigh and had to grab Bradley or Baez there jf I wanted them.

      • mrrr says:
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        @Rudy Gamble: Looked at ADP the other day – Darvish still hasn’t gone later than he did in our draft. Given his slide and the Razzball makeup we had to zag a bit (Darvish in the 2nd, investing higher in catchers, etc.).

  3. Principle Blackman says:
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    The Met’s Scott Rice just threw a 116 MPH fastball according to the stadium gun at Tradition Field. Minor league guns aren’t hot at all.

  4. Scott Rice says:
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    Sounds about right.

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  6. Big Magoo

    Big Magoo says:
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    Where’s Allen/Charles Char? I can’t seem to find him on the list.

    • Grey and I are not fans of Charles Char and refuse to put him ahead of Cole and Gray.

  7. Jeff P says:
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    In the article you say that you have Goldschmidt as your 3rd player, but if you sort the list, you have McCutcheon higher.

    • you’re right – corrected the post.

  8. Joe G says:
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    Rudy would you trade David wright Nelson cruz and tony cingrani for Carlos González ?

  9. bossmanjunior says:
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    @ Kenny Chesney

    Since you seem to like Heyward more than Myers, could you explain the difference in value between the two? Do you forsee Heyward hitting leadoff to negatively affect his value?Lastly, if you were aalready targeting two speedy leadoff hitter types like Segura and Marte, would you be more inclined to choose a more even distribution of R/RBI in Myers?Thanks!

    • Well, my calculations have Heyward ahead but I’m not drafting Heyward anywhere. I did get Myers in one of my 4 drafts (KFFL). Would have drafted him in LABR as well but I didn’t have a pitcher in the first 4 rounds and decided to go elite closer instead (Jansen).

      Their projections are comparable and assume they hit in similar places in lineup as last year:

      Heyward 145 G / 660 PA / 570 AB / 87 / 26 / 80 / 12 / .266
      Myers 154 / 640 / 76 / 23 / 81 / 9 / .257

      I think Heyward’s RBI feel a little bullish and I think Myers HR are bearish (i like him for ~30).

      The biggest correction on Myers vs. last year is that he got lucky from a BABIP standpoint. Given his K-rate, expecting AVG regression for him.

      • bossmanjunior says:
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        @Rudy Gamble:

        Well Myers has posted high babips at every level and while minor league babips tend to be higher due to a lesser quality of defense and reduced rate of shifts, he also hits the ball harder than most major leaguers, regularly spanking the ball over 100 mph. He also uses the whole field and has plus opposite field power, so I think there is a decent chance for him to sustain a higher than average babip. I still expect his average to regress a little, maybe down around.275-.280.

        So gun to your head (don’t worry its a NERF gun), who you pickin?

        • I can picture Harold Reynolds saying, “Wil Myers hits the ball HARD!” I’m thinking .265 if his K-rate doesn’t improve. That kind of thing happens though. Goldschmidt made big strides there.

          I almost had that decision in KFFL – http://rtsports.com/kffl-fantasy-baseball-analysis-draft. Was taking Myers 100%. Probably take Jansen if Myers was taken before me. Like I said, Heyward’s one of those guys who is practically off my draft board. Personal preference given his unreliability. Same goes for guys like Ellsbury and Utley. Need multi-round discounts to draft them.

          But those are subjective calls and my $ valuations are purely objective (with Playing Time being the only potential area for subjectivity).

          • bossmanjunior says:
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            @Rudy Gamble:

            Harold Reynolds is awful. A lot of these numbers I pull are from two guys you might have heard of, Jason Collette and RJ Anderson. Two of my favorite Rays analysts.

            Much like you, I think Id rather gamble on upside versus inconsistencies. Thank you sir!

            • Yup, those guys are good. Been playing against Jason for years in an AL-only league. Met up with him once when he visited Austin. Good guy.

          • SteveNZ says:
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            @Rudy Gamble: *Sobs* took Heyward at 60-ish in my h2h league where we count OBP and avg for the CF slot on the strength of your/steamer OBP 12 team yahoo projections. He’s at 25 or thereabouts…

            • Well, I only do 5×5. OBP and RF/CF/LF would certainly change things. Sounds like you got a nice discount.

  10. Mike says:
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    How hard is it to keep your hitters under 180 games played.

    • Not sure i understand the question.

      • Mike says:
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        @Rudy Gamble: I am in a 180 game limit for hitters and 1700 inning limit for pitching.

        • Mike says:
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          @@Mike: 6 bench players I want to use 2 bench players for SP making 7 starters that should keep me under 1700 innings but using 4 bench players for hitting will that put me over the 180 game limit for each position.

          • It is quite hard to get 180 Games at a position. The site should show your pace if you are ahead of pace.

            1700 IP is hard to hit too. I would sit SPs in bad matchups.

  11. Smitty says:
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    Off topic but some uber schlep just dropped Cingrani in my 14-team league (28 roster positions to boot). 6×6 traditional with holds as the extra pitching category. Waivers are FAAB ($100 budget) and I’m obviously going after him hard…what do you think I should bid? Was thinking $30 should be good then I started thinking all Price Is Right and upped to $31. Am I good there?

    P.S. It’s a $200 public league where I don’t know anyone. The guy dropped Cingrani for K-Rod (!!??)…call him out on the message board come to find out he thinks Cingrani is a closer and that he’ll lose his job bc of a bad spring training. Someone else actually defended it saying “Holds=Saves”….so that’s what type of pple we’re dealing with. Needless to say I immediately threw out a $1000 sidebet on season W/L which was accepted…cha-ching.

    • That sounds right. I would even consider more since you can still pick up free agents for free, right?

      • Smitty says:
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        Yup FAAB dollar for waivers only. I originally had $36 so maybe I’ll up it back to there.

    • costaricanchata says:
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      @Smitty:

      you’re expecting to collect on a $1000 side-bet in a
      “… public league where I don’t know anyone. ” ??

  12. mindicohn says:
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    CBS v Yahoo?

    We just moved our baseball league from ESPN to CBS bc we wanted Minors slots…So far so good.

    Had our auction on Tuesday — not so good, CBS auction room very buggy…Nonetheless, that’s behind us.

    We had our first FAAB run on Wednesday and noticed a major problem that CBS allows, but ESPN doesnt…If a guy had 3 claims in with no drops (filling in to vacated slots due to DL/Minors) he should only be allowed to get the 2 so he has a legal roster…However, CBS allows for the team to grab the 3 exceeding the roster limits…That’s BS and a huge problem…

    So, now we’re trying to figure out our options…Someone suggested Yahoo…You guys love Yahoo right? Someone give me the quick sales pitch and possibly adddress the issue(s) above…

    Thanks

    • I don’t love any site but like them all. CBS often rated best. Grey uses CBS more than me – he is the best person to ask about it.

    • Wallpaper Paterson says:
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      @mindicohn: I like espn and yahoo. Neither is perfect, but I never had any major problems with either. If you want to have managers own minor leaguers, you would have to keep a thread open with that info in it .

  13. Joe G says:
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    Rudy who you like moré Robinson cano or Carlos González

  14. Wallpaper Paterson says:
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    Auction talk?

    This is a good place to mention I just created a free h2h league at espn with an auction.

    Time: 2 pm eastern
    Date: Sunday, March 23

    If interested, write your e-mail address and I will send you an invite.

    The league password is tacocat and the league name is Baseball Action 2014, but I do not have a link handy.

    • Robdouth says:
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      @Wallpaper Paterson: I love a good auction draft. I wish I was in town that day. Dangit

  15. Lord Baldrick says:
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    After Fiasco de Zack at Fangraphs, I had a thought prior to my $draft last weekend. I downloaded your sheet and Grey’s top 400, stripped out negative values less than -5, and resorted averaging Grey’s values in two columns and yours in one column (GGR).

    I liked the effect, much as described in your last paragraph. Grey’s more ‘adventuresome’ tendencies were functionally smoothed a bit by your wise counsel.

  16. Bobby Nice says:
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    Rudy, off topic, but I find at the 7th pick I could end up with Fielder, Choo, and Andrus pretty reasonably. What’s your take on that many high picks from the same team? Probably 3 out of 5 or 6. Should I be worried in doing that? I mean every time they face a 1 SP I risk going 1-4 or 0’fer with all of them. Or do I bank that they’ll score so much it won’t be a problem and just trust my rankings? I’m a bit worried to actually pull the trigger on all of them together.

    • I wouldn’t worry too much about drafting multiple players from the same team. But in daily leagues, it gets frustrating on off days for that team.

  17. Ron says:
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    Please rank for 2014 only…Baez, Taveras and Springer.

    Thanks!

    • Springer, Baez, Taveras

  18. Thomas says:
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    Kershaw and Kennedy or Latos and Shelby Miller?

  19. Joe G says:
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    Rudy would you trade Robinson cano and Nelson cruz for Carlos González

    • Matters the league format. I probably consider it only for 10 team mixed

  20. SteveNZ says:
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    Gah. Just to subscribe…

  21. costaricanchata says:
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    noticed that you’re even more bullish on puig than is Grey .

    also , Grey values dozier at zero ?
    am i reading that incorrectly ??

    • Yeah, steamer love Puig. I’ve taken him twice this year with picks 22 and 28. The leadoff slot he’s in now will hurt RBI but maybe he will steal a bit more.

  22. frankiejay says:
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    Hey Rudy,

    Question for you: In a 20 team 8×8 (+2B, 3B, BB), who would you prefer as a final OF: Junior Lake, Corey Dickerson (on waivers), Drew Stubbs, Peter Bourjos, Dustin Ackley, Michael Saunders, or Lorenzo Cain.

    I should be very strong in counting stats and AVG and fairly strong in most other categories (may be weaker in BB). So I could afford to take a hit in AVG if needed.

    Also, is Kendrys Morales worth rostering in a league this deep?

    • i love corey dickerson and he’s a 3B machine (19 b/w AAA/MLB in 2013) but worried he’s not getting regular ABs. I think Cain and Lake are the two best bets for ABs and I’d lean towards Cain for now.

  23. John OB says:
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    It’s interesting to limit the list to the 77 or so names that you and Grey are within +/- $2.2.
    Then, find what ADP differences there are (expected vs actual).
    I’m sure I’ve missed some but there appears to be value in the ADPs of Puig, Segura, Rizzo, Gyorko, Hamilton, Arenado, Av.Garcia, Calhoun.

    Thanks for the comparison.

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