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I went into TurboTax and entered the Marlins $100 million payroll going into last season, subtracted Jose Reyes, Hanley, Josh Johnson, Buehrle, Bonifacio, Buck, Infante, Gaby, Anibal, Heath Bell and Ozzie Guillen’s salary, then I added in Gorkys, Ruggiano, Giancarlo, Wade LeBlanc, Eovaldi, Jacob Turner, Adeiny Hechavarria and Yunel’s salary and it says the Marlins can get an EBT card for their cash assistance benefits. If the Marlins organization were on Teen Mom, people would be rallying to take away their kids. In fact, I’ll start now — someone take Giancarlo into a loving home! His organization spends money like MC Hammer in the 1990’s.  Jeffrey Loria, “Hey, here’s $100 million dollars for a shortstop…” *three months later* “Hey, anyone want our whole team for a carton of milk; we’re flat broke. Seriously, we got no money. I tried to sell that unicorn vomit sculpture in centerfield on eBay and no one met my five dollar minimum bid. Maybe it’s because I have bad reviews under my seller account. Listen, I made some bad deals in the past, but I’m totally good for that sculpture. You could use it as a scarecrow. Five dollars has to be cheaper than the going price for a scarecrow…. Hmm… I just thought of something, maybe we could get a scarecrow to play left field.”  So, Jose Reyes leaves South Beach for the Great White North. There goes more money out of our country. Damn you, Canada! This shouldn’t change his fantasy value much. Because you like stats, his career vs. the American League is 99/11/59/.295/38 in 550 ABs. So, that’s basically a full season, and he’s done exactly what he always does. In very limited exposure to the Canadian-speaking Blue Jays, he hit two homers and .643 in 3 games in Rogers Centre.  For next year, I see Reyes giving what he always does 110/12/60/.285/40. I like Reyes, what can I say?  I know!  I can say more about this trade.  Anyway, here’s some more players involved and how their value changes for 2013 fantasy baseball:

Josh Johnson- Headed to the Blue Jays, as well. Little known fact, when I was under the age of eight, I used to call my johnson a Blue Jay of happiness. Did I say eight? I meant twenty-eight. *giggles like an embarrassed Lisa Simpson* In the past, the knock against Johnson has been his inability to stay healthy. This year, he made 30 starts for only the second time in his career. Unfortunately, he didn’t look like the dominant pitcher he was in 2009 or 2010. A huge drop in the strikeout rate and a bump up on his walk rate.  There’s a possibility here for more, but I tend to think his name value will make him more valuable than he’s worth, and with the league switch I’d let someone else take the gamble he unearths his past glory.  I hear One-Eyed Willy buried it off the coast of a non-descript California town that looks the other way when child actors become drug addicts. Basically, every California town.

Mark Buehrle – Also going to the Blue Jays (let’s just assume everyone is being traded away from the Marlins, unless noted). Loria is a total POS, but I will say this. I don’t like the pitchers he salary-dumped on Toronto (that’s obviously strictly from a fantasy perspective). Last year, Buehrle bumped up his strikeout rate to a four-year high, a whopping 5.56. That’s more or less the worst K-rate of anyone that is a usable real life pitcher. He gets by with great control, solid ground ball rates and a whole lot of can’t-put-your-finger-on-it-but-not-because-it’s-hot-but-because-you-don’t-feel-like-it-ness.  He was an “ignore” prior to the trade and now he’s an “ignore more.” It’s a separate column, but they’re close.

Emilio Bonifacio – Will now be batting between Reyes and Bautista, bumping Lawrie and/or Rasmus down to fifth and/or sixth.  His career vs. the American League isn’t pinch-dem-cheeks adorable (.242 average, 0 homers, 14 steals in 124 ABs), but it’s a small enough sample size that I think he’ll be fine. That’s what she said!  Huh? Bonifacio will be back to full strength to start the season and that means SAGNOF, snitches!

John Buck – I think the Blue Jays will trade Just Peachy Arencibia, but that has more to do with Travis d’Arnaud. John Buck will be a platoon partner for someone, though they all bat from the right side so it might not be that tidy of a platoon.  A right-righty platoon will mean the Blue Jays are *pinkie to mouth* Buck’ing the trend.  I still got it!

Adeiny Hechavarria – Somewhere, the copywriter who quit over the spelling of Jarrod Saltalamacchia is glad he got out when he did.  Adeiny almost got a rookie outlook post last week because he was probably going to get a starting job, but I didn’t write it because his minor league stats are yawnstipating (7-ish homer power, 15-ish steal speed). Now I probably will write the outlook post because he’s guaranteed a starting job, but his, uh, outlook hasn’t gotten much better offensively.

Yunel Escobar – Adeiny and You-smell sounds like Perez Hilton nicknames for Adele and her boyfriend. In a few months, the Marlins went from Bonifacio, Reyes and Hanley to Donovan Solano, Yunel and Adeiny.  Ha!  What a shizzshow.  They should let Madoff out on restricted parole.  With the only restriction being, he can only rip off Loria.  Oh, and, Yunel, leave the airport tags on your suitcase, because MIA fits the Marlins perfectly.

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  1. mauledbypandas says:
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    I am having fantasies right now about Jon Daniels working some magic and bringing the Giancarlo to Texas. Not that we need another RH bat, but hey if the smoking lamp is lit… light up

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @mauledbypandas, I say trade him to Coors and get him shortstop eligibility when Tulo’s down…

  2. jay's #1 fan says:
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    the jays are typically able to get the most out of their bats. bautista emerged a few years ago, encarnacion last year. could be two coincidental breakouts, but does this spell any optimism for a reyes production bump?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @jay’s #1 fan, I went over Reyes in the post…

  3. JT says:
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    Couldn’t wait to read your post on this one. I actually feel bad for Marlins fans. If there are any fans anymore. And that’s coming from a Rays fan. Yikes.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @JT, Yeah, gotta be asking for abuse to be a Marlins fan… Loria will move them out of Florida next… Give it 5 years…

  4. Stanley says:
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    What is your take on Giancarlo and crap infront of him. Still high on him for 2013?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Stanley, I think Giancarlo can hit 40 homers in any lineup in any stadium… Counting stats are fickle… Might cost him ten RBIs and runs…

  5. royce! says:
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    Goonies! Poor Jays prospects…

    Don’t you realize? The next time you see sky, it’ll be over another town. The next time you take a test, it’ll be in some other school. Our parents, they want the best of stuff for us. But right now, they got to do what’s right for them. Because it’s their time. Their time! Up there! Down here, it’s our time. It’s our time down here. That’s all over the second we ride up Troy’s bucket.

    Pretty much all made sense until the bucket thing…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @royce!, Great call… Troy’s bucket changes everything, literally…

      • royce! says:
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        @Grey, Toronto’s 2013 theme should be “Their time! Up there!”

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Haha… And have the cheerleaders by fat kids doing the Truffle Shuffle on their dugout roof…

          • royce! says:
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            @Grey, I was just about to make a joke about there being no cheerleaders in baseball and realized that I was wrong, because those young women who slingshot the shirts and whatevs are totally cheerleaders…I think I finally figured out why football and basketball have steadily increased in popularity compared to baseball.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Everything’s better with cheerleaders… Prison would be better with cheerleaders…

  6. mauledbypandas says:
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    Giancarlo Stanton got me to thinking.. who is the most valuable player in the MLB contract wise? Stanton makes about 500k this year and 4 more years of arbitration I believe.

    Maybe Trout or Harper? Profar?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @mauledbypandas, Posey this past year if the goal is to win a World Series…

  7. Baron Von Vulturewins

    Baron Von Vulturewins says:
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    As a Toronto Blue Jays fan, Giancarlo Stanton keeper-league owner, and lover of indignant free-floating fan outrage in general, I am so confused as to how to react to all this.

    Seriously though: Stanton? Does this hurt his value a lot? On the one hand, he’s now playing for a team that could well look like the Astros AAA unit. On the other hand, it’s not like Reyes was protecting him in the lineup.

    Thoughts?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Baron Von Vulturewins, I think Stanton still hits 40 homers, but he might have one of those Dunn forty-homer seasons when he gets 40 homers and 100 RBIs and hits 25 solo shots…

  8. Wham Bam Ram says:
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    Even Donald Sterling thinks Jeff Loria is a dick.

  9. Jon says:
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    I’m definitely interested in the impact on Stanton but like you said, counting stats are hard to count on, anyway. (Pun intended.) What do you think his line looks like?

    In Toronto, would getting bumped down in the lineup, like you mentioned, hurt Lawrie and/or Rasmus’s value? Or does this help everyone in the Jays lineup no matter where they end up in the batting order?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Jon, 90/40/105/.270/7… Don’t hold me to it if I change my mind by January on a number here and there… It wouldn’t hurt their value, just give them more RBIs than runs, and overall it helps the Jays lineup…

  10. Pucker says:
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    Grey, any thoughts on Ruggiano for the upcoming season? Thanks.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      There will be plenty of thoughts on him when the new year rolls around, but for now I’ll say he wasn’t really as good as he showed last year… Bit of a career minor leaguer that broke through briefly…

  11. mc serch says:
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    Checked in to see your take on this shituation and generally agree with everything you said from a fantasy perspective. From a real baseball perspective, do you think this should be vetoed by Selig? I mean, will another city ever publicly fund a new stadium after this debacle? Doesn’t the public funding of the stadium and the timing of the gutting of this team take this outside the realm of simply gauging the fairness of an exchange of players? Maybe implicate the “best interests of baseball” powers of the Commissioner’s Office? Unless Selig has already concluded that there will no longer be public funding for stadiums, he should be thinking about the long-term impact of this trade on the ability to get stadiums built in the future.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I think Loria should be taken from behind by the largest man (according to Guinness), in a public square and then get replayed on every network in the world… He might be the biggest POS ever… To think Selig vetoes Cuban owning a team but lets this guy gut his team every third year is disgraceful… Loria is the worst thing in baseball, but Selig is a close second… So, yeah, I think it should be vetoed, but I don’t think it will…

      • mc serch says:
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        @Grey, yeah a very public ass raping would provide some degree of satisfaction for all but the rapist perhaps…..I don’t think the trade will be vetoed either, unless there is some kind of popular uproar in Miami ….ironically though, the lack of fan support in Miami makes that unlikely and actually works in Loria’s favor….without a veto I think Selig becomes complicit

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Indeed, that is the irony in all of this… Everyone that is outraged over Loria, how many are actual Marlins fans? Maybe 1%…

      • Doug Ault says:
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        @Grey, I think it gets vetoed, if not for the screwing and tampering Farrell and Boston administered.Selig is also close with Jays President Beeston , from when Beeston worked in the MLB front office.Johnson could probably get close to what the Marlins got alone at the trade deadline

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          At this point, nothing would shock me, but I think vetoing a trade sets a bad precedent… If someone wants to build for the future, they have that right, no matter what an ass they are about how they do it… That kinda goes for fantasy too…

          • Doug Ault says:
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            @Grey, Upon sober second thought this morning, this deal could turn to poop pretty easily from the Toronto perspective anyway.The guys they got are all kinda fragile , but the optics from a Miami standpoint are terrible.I look at it this way :Miami takes Chris Bosh, we take their baseball team ;-)

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              I think that’s a basketball analogy, but I’m not sure I follow, but I’m sure it makes sense… The pitcher the Blue Jays got really aren’t much… Getting Reyes is pretty huge… If Reyes craps the bed (wouldn’t be that shocking), then the deal is in Miami’s favor… It’s still crap as of right now, but has possibility to be less crap in the future…

  12. royce! says:
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    I recommend Keri’s article on grantland regarding Loria. It reminded me of an article I read recently about the frequency of psychopathy in certain careers – CEO is #1. Just to reiterate how I never win anything (except fantasy baseball, thanks in no small part to razzball), lawyers are #2. C’mon, guys! We can do better than that!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Seriously, when you’re a top 5 in anything, you gotta want to be number one…

      • Steve says:
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        @Grey, I don’t know, number two seems kind of appropriate for lawyers. Oofa! (sorry royce!)

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Hehe…

          • mc serch says:
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            @Grey, but we appellate lawyers are a different, more lovable breed, right Royce? lol

            • Steve says:
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              @mc serch, Ha! I did kind of forget to mention that my brother-in-law is a partner at a law firm here in Auckland and not only is he a top fellow, but he has provided all sorts of advice and legal work for no charge, save a couple of good bottles of wine each time…

              • mc serch says:
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                @Steve, see? we’re not all loathsome, bottom-feeding, douchebaggy, immoral, unethical (you can stop me at any time now) assholes….hmmm, legal work for wine, brilliant concept! need to work that into my fee structure …

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Yeah, you’re the scale for the checks and balances, right? (Or the hamster wheel, depending on your viewpoint)…

              • mc serch says:
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                @Grey, ha! yup, most times def feels like the hamster wheel…once in a while it feels like making a difference in some way (usu. around time of fantasy draft, trade deadline and late September)

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Gotta get interesting when a trade in your league goes under review…

            • royce! says:
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              @mc serch, Shizz, we’d be number one if they just considered appellate lawyers…And, you’re an appellate lawyer? I’m sorry if I already knew this, but all I can remember is that there used to be a PD on here all the time…What sort of appeals do you do?

              • mc serch says:
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                @royce!, ha! yeah I suppose so….I do civil appeals….my practice runs the whole gamut…. commercial, corporate, real property, matrimonial, torts….you name it, I’ve done it…how about you? for some reason I thought you were the PD actually lol

                • royce! says:
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                  @mc serch, I argue exclusively appointed criminal defense appeals in Southern California. And in all seriousness, I think that appellate lawyers are generally less crazy than other types of lawyers.

                  Are you in CA?

                  • mc serch says:
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                    @royce!, totally agree about appellate lawyers….the few outliers I’ve run across are typically of the socially awkward variety, rather than nefariously slimy….I’m in lower Manhattan…..office took a beating from the hurricane, worked without heat, phones or internet for over a week…sitting at my desk, breath steaming, Wagner playing and voice of God narrating my every move….it was like NFL Films over here lol

                    • royce! says:
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                      @mc serch, “like NFL films”- Ha! John Facenda’s narrating your life. I tried to get into appellate work in NY- passed the bar and had some interviews- but think I was handicapped by having attended a regional school outside of the northeast. I had a job waiting for me in CA so after a year of not finding a job, I headed back west. Fun city you’ve got there, though!

      • royce! says:
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        @Grey, Exactly… could practically taste that trophy…there is a trophy, right?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yes, there’s always a trophy… Top Chef tonight! (It is tonight right?)

          • royce! says:
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            @Grey, Indeed, at 10. Which, incidentally, was after I had gone to sleep last night. To be fair, I’m fighting a cold, have a baby with unpredictable sleeping patterns, and had oral argument this morning, but why would Bravo think that 10 pm is optimal for their target audience? I like to watch people argue and make food. Should be a foregone conclusion that I am freaking tired, dudes!

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              You need to rally, dude… Or watch it one of the two dozen other times they air it… That’s an order, young man…

  13. Alyssa Milano's Boyfriend says:
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    Did Bud Selig not see the “Veto” button when the trade popped up on his screen?

  14. beardcrabs says:
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    Oh OK… I had to google POS today… yes very much so a BAPOS…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha…Yeah… Total BAPOS…

  15. royce! says:
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    Someday, deep in the baseball deprived winter, I will figure out the difference between fangraphs and baseball reference WAR. For now, I gotta say I’m stunned to find out that Miley had a higher fangraphs WAR than Dickey.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @royce!, That doesn’t seem to jive with what my brain is telling me…

      • royce! says:
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        @Grey, I think they must calculate it based on FIP, b/c Miley’s was lower. Actually, I just confirmed that they do use FIP, and Miley’s was 3.15 to Dickey’s 3.27. Baseball Reference uses RA and IP, and, obviously, Dickey had a lower RA/9 than Miley.

        Damn, that was easy. Have to find something else to do deep in the baseball deprived winter. I’ll start with watching Top Chef tonight.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yeah, watch it tonight… There’s a twist to the show that I’m not sure how I feel about…I need some feedback… BTW, with a kid it might be tough to find time, but you really should watch Breaking Bad. I started last week and am 15 episodes in and it is amazing… Slow moving through the first few episodes but it picks up steam…

          • Steve says:
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            @Grey, I think I have some Breaking Bad somewhere, I’m guessing you’re saying I should get on and damn well watch it?

            Also, got any good book recommendations? I’m just starting to warm up to this whole Kindle thing…

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              I’m reading a Sedaris book, but have been busy watching Breaking Bad, so have been slacking on the reading… If you have any good books to read, I’m all ears… Still haven’t gone near that cyclist book you recommended… Breaking Bad is a must watch… You need to give it a handful of episodes before you’re sucked in… I’d put it up there with the great shows of the last ten years (yeah, The Wire), but I’m only 15 episodes in so a lot can happen… I figured Cranston would be brilliant, but I didn’t realize Aaron Paul would be too…

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  I love that whole album, that is also a good song… Love gold on the ceiling…

                  • Steve says:
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                    @Grey, And Lonely Boy. Such a great video.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Excellent video and song… Bill James’s projections were released…

                    • royce! says:
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                      @Grey, Nice to see that Chris Davis is going to bring up his AVG and OBP. And finally get his K% under 30%…And Yonder’s gonna hit double digit HR! Not really going to make up for Rizzo’s 33. Am I missing something about Frazier’s playing time? James has him only getting 367 PA…

                      Holy freaking hell, James projects Billy Hamilton to get 115 steals (in 653 PA). Bye bye sleeper.

                      Oh, and James must’ve incorporated the Jays/Marlins trade, because his projections for Giancarlo echo your earlier comment about him recording a Dunn-like season- 43 HR with 103 RBI.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Re: Billy Hamilton… Hahahahahahhahhah *breathing* Hahahahahaha I’m praying Hamilton gets 115 ABs… Though I guess that could mean 115 steals… I saw that on Stanton…It was like he reads Razzball’s comments… Hey, Bill, shave the bottom and go straight ‘stache! I was impressed with James’s projections for Trout, then again, he just said repeat… Actually, besides Chris Davis and Red Sox players he says repeat for everyone… Look at Buchholz’s projections… Huh?

                  • JoeC says:
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                    @Grey, That is good stuff. That’s two good bands you’ve introduced me to, oh grey one. Nice that I can get my musical and fantasy baseball advice in one stop. When do you start slinging out recipes? :)

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      I order in whenever possible… I made Chicken Francese the other day and it turned into fried chicken… Nice!

          • royce! says:
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            @Grey, I’m going to try to start Breaking Bad next week- I’m going to Seattle for a week and will be stuck in a vacation rental after like 7 every night because of the baby, so I might even be able to catch up with you…though there’s a good chance that my wife will encourage me to go out with my friends and leave her with the baby. If it’s as good as everyone thinks, I’ll be able to say, “nah, babe, I just want to stay in with you,” and then watch Breaking Bad. Nice!

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              I haven’t gone out in like nine days straight… It’s like I’m doing meth! (<–not really a spoiler)

        • Steve says:
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          @royce!, Feel free to jump in on the book recommendation thing…

          • royce! says:
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            @Steve, I’m stuck in the slow first 100+ pages of the new Chabon book. I’ve read that it gets a lot better, but I must not be there yet.

            Two shorter, darker books I would recommend: The Sense of an Ending by Julain Barnes and Train Dreams by Denis Johnson. I like all of Johnson’s work, but if you haven’t read any of it, Train Dreams is a good start…unfortunately, I wouldn’t say that it’s representative of his work, but it’s enjoyable.

            You read The Art of Fielding, right? I think I recall you had. If not, read that before anything.

          • JoeC says:
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            @Steve, If I may jump in, “Super Sad True Love Story” is great for modern fiction. If you don’t mind dipping your toes into fantasy, Joe Abercrombie’s “The Heroes” is stellar, gritty work.

  16. letsgobravos says:
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    Grey, how excited about Giancarlo for next year would you have been if he was going to Toronto? I get chills thinking about how many homers and RBIs he would rack up in a friendly park with that kind of lineup around him.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Anywhere would probably be better but he’s still a monster… In Toronto, Stanton and Bautista… Shudders…

  17. MattTruss223 says:
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    Had to jump on and get your take on this trade. Pretty sure it was a bad deal for TOR in the long run. 22M for Reyes in 2017!! 20M for Buehrle in 2015!! I hate Loria as much as the next guy, but isn’t this basically the same thing BOS just did with LA and they were praised for getting rid of bad contracts? Plus, haven’t the Pirates (with their publicly funded stadium also) been doing this same thing for years now? I guess it’s a little different with the quickness of the fire sale, but only by a little. I still think Loria is a POS for what he did to MON, how he went about getting the stadium in MIA, and just being a douchey snake, but this trade doesn’t really make him that much more of a POS to me. Plus, the biggest cry I’ve heard is “Oh, those poor fans in MIA, they’re getting screwed”. But, if no one was going to the games when they had all those players and were sucking, what’s really gonna change if they have young players and are sucking?

    They need to get baseball out of Florida, reserve it for spring training and get Loria the hell out of baseball.

    BTW, did you catch Giancarlo’s twitter post? It was along the lines of: “OK, Now I’m pissed off, plain and simple”.

    He then went through and removed anything linking him to the Marlins. No pictures in uniform, nothing saying he played for them, nada.

    Not sure he’ll be with the Marlins come opening day. I’m drooling over the possibilities of where he could go. The Sawx are looking for an OF. Doubt it would happen but, Giancarlo at Fenway….mmmmmmm.

    • mc serch says:
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      @MattTruss223, good points, and no doubt there will be contractual hell to pay a few years from now but to begin gutting the team within months of moving into a publicly funded stadium is unprecedented and I think a breach of trust….Hanley, Bell, Reyes, Annibel and JJ, plus Boneface and Buerhle, all gone in first year….and maybe Nolasco next? Given the stadium situation I don’t think the Red Sox analogy holds…I also don’t think Pitt has ever gutted its team like this since the new stadium opened (they never had that much talent)….to me, this is bait and switch, plain and simple….you think public funding would have been approved if Loria said, “well we will give it a run for three months and if we aren’t in the hunt by then we are going to shoot for lowest payroll in MLB?”

      • JoeC says:
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        @mc serch, Gotta agree with Matt. I think this is a good move by the Marlins. They were 69-93 last year. That wasn’t going to get appreciably better with the same team. Save 100 million and turn in about the same number of wins? I think any owner would say “Yes” to that.

  18. MattTruss223 says:
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    I agree, the stadium makes it a different situation, but I mean, people saying it was a bad trade for MIA, I don’t know. Take the stadium part out of it and from a pure baseball move, it was a good move. That’s all I was saying.

    I think Jason Bay, Nate Mclouth and Xavier Nady might have a different opinion of the Pirates gutting the team. I mean, they’re no Hanley/Reyes/JJ, but that’s also with the benefit of hindsight. Bay was a stud in PIT and Mclouth was the leader in HRs/RBIs when he got traded.

    “Bait and Switch” is a perfect way to put it, but the blame is kinda two-fold there. The public that voted to fund the stadium shouldn’t have been so naive and Loria is a giant POS! He should be kicked out of baseball but he and Selig are snuggle buddies, so nothing will happen. From 100M payroll to 30 something is pretty crazy, and I agree, morally wrong. But really. this is kind of a footnote on his years of douchebaggery. He shoulda been out of baseball before this trade, not just because of this trade. That was my main point. No matter how you slice it, it’s not very good for baseball to have Loria kicking around.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @MattTruss223, Yeah, I saw Stanton’s tweet…Let him get pissed right before he gets into the batter’s box…

      I agree that the trade isn’t nearly as bad as some are making it out to be…Before Reyes was included, as you can see my comments on my last post when it was being reported that it was just the pitchers, I thought it was decent for Adeiny, just trading the pitchers… When the trade became Emilio and Reyes, it was obviously a salary dump more than a trade… Loria could’ve got Adeiny for the pitchers, he didn’t need to throw in the hitters… He threw in the hitters to unload them…Unloading players to unload money is almost exactly 180 from where he was last year when the public funded his stadium, so it’s at the core a dick move and what a lot of people feel is wrong with America… The filthy rich have loopholes the rest of us don’t play by that just makes them richer… Anyway, that’s what I think it is…

      • MattTruss223 says:
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        @Grey, I can get behind that. He’s a scumbag. Selig too.

      • Steve says:
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        @Grey, I don’t know the nuts and bolts of this whole stadium thing, but don’t the politicians who voted the money deserve their share of the opprobrium (word of the day?) too?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Nice word… I don’t know the nuts and bolts either… But the politicians might’ve been at worst hornswoggled, or at the best at the mercy of their constituents… Someone promises the world and you don’t want to be the bad guy, you know?

          • JoeC says:
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            @Grey, I’m pretty sure the mayor who supported the stadium and the biggest proponent of it on the City Council were kicked out of office last election.

            Still, I think Miami could yet have a successful team. All they need to do is get Selig to mandate that all future Cuban defectors have to play for the Marlins and they’ll be collectin’ rings in no time.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Ha, I like that idea… And let Edward James Olmos take over team control…

              • Grey

                Grey says:
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                Not that he’s Cuban, but because he’s EDWARD JAMES OLMOS!

      • mc serch says:
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        @Grey, well said sir!

  19. Pucker says:
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    Our league is drafting already and need some advice. Can choose two out of Starling Marte, Justin Ruggiano, Lonnie Chisenhall, and Mike Fiers. Any of those make your heart sing? Thanks.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Marte and Fiers…

      • Pucker says:
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        Thanks, much appreciated.

  20. Jon says:
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    Unrelated to any Marlins or Blue Jays, are you buying into Marte? Think he can be relied on as a starter (10-team H2H league where you start 4 OFs)?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, I’m buying him as a 4th OF as long as he has a job, which he should…

      • Jon says:
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        How will he compare rankings-wise to Rasmus?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          About thirty or so away from him… Not really close… Marte’s an endgame flyer, Rasmus is a top 25 OF….

  21. Steve says:
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    Hard luck Trouty. You’ll just have to do better next year.

    Not sure how that’s possible, but give it a go anyway.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Not totally surprised… Win the Triple Crown and you win the MVP… Plus, his club did well…

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