Why does Girardi hate Vazquez?

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Why does Girardi hate Vazquez?

Postby Lucc » Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:11 pm

Given he's a flyball pitcher off to bad start, do we really need Thames in left with the lineup they put on the field otherwise?
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Re: Why does Girardi hate Vazquez?

Postby Grey » Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:26 pm

Don't think Girardi can be fully blamed for Vazquez's terribleness.
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Re: Why does Girardi hate Vazquez?

Postby havok » Sun Apr 25, 2010 5:01 pm

Javy's problems lie in the AL, not in Girardi. To not even be able to go 5 innings is pretty pathetic considering this guy was a Cy Young candidate last year.
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Re: Why does Girardi hate Vazquez?

Postby Oregon Nut Cups » Sun Apr 25, 2010 6:58 pm

Actually, if anyone hates Vazquez from NY it's Steinbrenner. Hasn't he seen this enough before to know he's not worth anything in NY?
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Re: Why does Girardi hate Vazquez?

Postby Lucc » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:34 am

I'm not saying that Girardi is at fault, but you would think that he'd give vaz as much help as possible and putting thames in left absolutely cost him 2 runs, as Gardner would have made the play.
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2B Altuve, Jose (Keeper)
3B Frazier, Todd (Rd 21)
SS Escobar, Alcides (Rd 25)
MI Bogaerts, Xander (Minor Keeper)
CI Martinez, Victor (Trade Eaton and Addison Reed)
OF Martinez, J.D. (add)
OF Brantley, Michael (RD 28)
OF Arcia, Oswaldo (RD 18)
OF Jones, Adam (Keeper)
OF McCutchen, Andrew (Keeper)
DH Vargas, Kennys (add)
DH Sandoval, Pablo (Trade Desmond Jennings)

Pitchers
P Bumgarner, Madison (keeper)
P Cueto, Johnny (Rd 16)
P Gray, Sonny (keeper)
P Rondon, Hector (add)
P Shields, James (Traded Maikel Franco)
P Peralta, Wily (RD 23)
P Price, David (Keeper)
P Robertson, David (Trade Votto)
P Allen, Cody (Trade Votto)
P Stoman, Marcus (Trade Francisco Lindor)
Bench
Phillips, Brandon (trade moustakas)
Schoop, Jonathon (add)
Alcantara, Arismendy (R 36)
Aoki, Norichika (add)
Chisenhall, Lonnie (add)
Guerrero, Gabriel (add)
Rua, Ryan (add)
Walker, Christian (add)
Taveras, Oscar (Minor Keeper)RIP

Banuelos, Manny (add)
Minor, Mike (keeper)
Pomeranz, Drew (add)
Kazmir, Scott (RD 19)
Colome, Alex (add)
Gonzales, Marco (add)
Montero, Rafael (add)
Soriano, Rafael (RD 13)
Hendricks, Kyle (Waiver)

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Re: Why does Girardi hate Vazquez?

Postby LordOfTexas » Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:34 pm

havok wrote:Javy's problems lie in the AL, not in Girardi. To not even be able to go 5 innings is pretty pathetic considering this guy was a Cy Young candidate last year.


His environment is definitely tougher than last year, but that's not all that's causing his problems.

Vasquez has lost about a little over 2 MPH on his fastball from last year (91.1 average to 88.8 average). Predictably, hitters are getting much more contact against him when swinging (80.3% this year, 73.3% last year).

Might be age, might be some sort of injury, but either way Vasquez has not been himself and you can't just blame Girardi/Thames/The AL.


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