Is this just impatience?

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Re: Is this just impatience?

Postby peter » Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:59 am

Frank Rizzo wrote:Well crap. Looks like I won't be able to make it happen because he doesn't want to offer Rios.

He wants to send me Fukodome/Duscherer for Victorino/Owings

I don't like this at all. Victorino fits well for what I need with Granderson in CF and Abreu in RF, plus McLouth eligible for all fields. Victorino could be used as a fill in or starter very nice at those positions. With Fukodome I'd be giving up the CF eligibility, would lose on SB's, gain on RBI, and be similar otherwise. Rios offered me CF/RF eligibility which I liked a lot.

Should I play hardball and press for Rios or nothing?


Hmm.. yeah, play hardball for Rios. I don't like the Fukudome offer nearly as much. KF's been a very good, consistent, real baseball player all year. But I've seen his fantasy production dropping precipitously over the last several weeks. Also: he's got a Wandy Rodriguez-like (or Parra-like) home/road split: he hits .377 at home, .200 at home. Yikes. I wouldn't trade for a guy I know I'd need to platoon.

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Re: Is this just impatience?

Postby Grey » Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:12 am

You do not want Fukudome. Tell him Rios or the entire deal needs restructuring.
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Re: Is this just impatience?

Postby Frank Rizzo » Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:30 am

Grey wrote:You do not want Fukudome. Tell him Rios or the entire deal needs restructuring.


Agree that I don't want Fukodome.

Here's what I've got in the OF.

Abreu RF
Victorino RF/CF
Granderson CF
Crawford LF
McLouth RF/CF/LF
Delmon Young RF/CF/LF

I wonder about offering him Granderson and Victorino for Rios and Duscherer.
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Re: Is this just impatience?

Postby Grey » Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:40 am

I wonder about offering him Granderson and Victorino for Rios and Duscherer.



That's too much.
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Re: Is this just impatience?

Postby peter » Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:33 am

Frank Rizzo wrote:
Grey wrote:You do not want Fukudome. Tell him Rios or the entire deal needs restructuring.


Agree that I don't want Fukodome.

Here's what I've got in the OF.

Abreu RF
Victorino RF/CF
Granderson CF
Crawford LF
McLouth RF/CF/LF
Delmon Young RF/CF/LF

I wonder about offering him Granderson and Victorino for Rios and Duscherer.


Yeah, too much. Even though Curtis is hitting .238, I don't see that lasting all season. Again, like Rios, he end-of-the-year #s won't be what owners wanted, but he's still in a position, w/ great tools, to have some very nice production over the rest of the season.

Just a Sellers' Shot In The Dark: try offering Owings and Granderson for Duchscherer and Rios. I see Rios and Granderson of relative equal value, but you'd definitely be winning on the other side. The owner would be stupid to do it, but given how the negotiations have been going, maybe you can frame this as an upgraded offer. Maybe sell it by saying you can't afford to give up 2 hitters for 1 hitter and 1 pitcher. Then point out that Granderson has almost 3x as many HR as Rios in about 20 fewer games - and that Detroit's lineup is going to slump forever. If he's wary about the ERA difference between Owings and Duch, point out Owings' superior K rate. And here's the kicker: ESPN's June rankings have Owings at #178 overall, and Duch at #253 (!).

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Re: Is this just impatience?

Postby White Lightning » Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:40 am

Throw in a box of Krispey Kremes for Rios
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Re: Is this just impatience?

Postby peter » Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:45 am

White Lightning wrote:Throw in a box of Krispey Kremes for Rios


Now that's too much.

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Re: Is this just impatience?

Postby Frank Rizzo » Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:31 pm

Thanks guys for all the information. Peter, I appreciate all the help.

He doesn't want Granderson as he has been hot for Victorino from the beginning.

He's thinking it over.

I'm wondering if I'm making a mistake if going for it. Victorino is in such a good spot in that Philly lineup he's going to have plenty of stats. And like Grey stated about Owings, his 64 K's to 21 BB's is very good. Better than Duscherer's. It makes me wonder, am I asking for a bad trade just because I like how Duscherer's ERA looks? His K rate probably won't be as high as Owings, his W/L probably won't be as good. Why would I make this trade? :o
Yahoo 10 Team H2H, 5 x 5, Outfielders position specific. Keep 1.
C - Gary Sánchez NYY - C
1B - Anthony Rizzo ChC - 1B
2B - Rougned Odor Tex - 2B
3B - Nolan Arenado Col - 3B
SS - Xander Bogaerts Bos - SS
LF - Stephen Piscotty StL - 1B,LF,RF
CF - Starling Marte Pit - LF,CF
RF - Grégory Polanco Pit - RF
Util - Trea Turner Was - 2B,CF
DL - Giancarlo Stanton Mia - RF

SP - Kevin Gausman Bal - SP,RP
SP - Anthony DeSclafani Cin - SP
SP - Álex Colomé TB - SP,RP
SP - Rich Hill Oak - SP
RP - Aroldis Chapman NYY - RP
BN - Ervin Santana Min - SP
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Re: Is this just impatience?

Postby redskinsnut » Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:54 am

Grey- Feeling better aboard the SS Rios? Has the hole been plugged?

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Re: Is this just impatience?

Postby Grey » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:26 pm

Sorry, no idea, what you mean.
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If you want me to look at your team, post the team. Don't post a link to another site where the team is.
Have you given me all the info I need to judge your team? The number of teams in the league is a good start for the big overall questions.
Is your league H2H? Roto?
I don't know who's on your waivers. Don't just ask me who you should pick up. Give me names to choose from.
If you only have one team, post your team in your signature with the league parameters.
I don't know every single matchup for next week, so if you want me to choose a player for the following week and you think the matchups are important, tell me who they're facing.


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