Comments on: Fantasy Baseball Trading Principles http://razzball.com/fantasy-baseball-trading-principles/ Fantasy Baseball Advice Sun, 12 Feb 2012 08:41:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Kevin http://razzball.com/fantasy-baseball-trading-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-5621 Kevin Thu, 05 Jun 2008 15:32:32 +0000 http://razzball.com/?p=373#comment-5621 Yep, they approve a ridiculously one sided deal and veto one that should have been approved. The thing is, I continue to be amazed how intelligent and successful people in real life can be so dumb when they play fantasy sports. I see it in my baseball and in my football league too. And I read it in mailbag columns and hear it on radio shows. In other words, I am pretty convinced I am going to encounter this whether I stick with my league or join another. Yep, they approve a ridiculously one sided deal and veto one that should have been approved. The thing is, I continue to be amazed how intelligent and successful people in real life can be so dumb when they play fantasy sports. I see it in my baseball and in my football league too. And I read it in mailbag columns and hear it on radio shows. In other words, I am pretty convinced I am going to encounter this whether I stick with my league or join another.

]]> By: Rudy Gamble http://razzball.com/fantasy-baseball-trading-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-5612 Rudy Gamble Thu, 05 Jun 2008 14:52:18 +0000 http://razzball.com/?p=373#comment-5612 @<a href="#comment-5611" rel="nofollow">Kevin</a>: No offense to your friend but your league sucks. Jackson/Soria for Dukes/Gaudin is a joke. I hate vetoing but I'd veto that one. Don't go back. We'll put together a Razzball league next year hopefully.... @Kevin: No offense to your friend but your league sucks. Jackson/Soria for Dukes/Gaudin is a joke. I hate vetoing but I’d veto that one. Don’t go back. We’ll put together a Razzball league next year hopefully….

]]> By: Kevin http://razzball.com/fantasy-baseball-trading-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-5611 Kevin Thu, 05 Jun 2008 14:41:38 +0000 http://razzball.com/?p=373#comment-5611 Rudy - I am not upset that the trade was allowed so much as how he handled it. He emailed the whole league advising how they should vote while I took the high road. Also, he sent some pretty nasty emails my way when all I was trying to do is convey to him that the overwhelming opinion among fantasy experts was to not veto the deal. Just goes to show you how explosive trades can be. We will remain friends. He is a bit of a hot head and I am letting him cool off. This was just my way of letting him know that I didn't appreciate how he handled the whole thing. I believe that the veto process needs to be done away with. Actually I would be happy with no trades at all. The first trade of the season in this league (non keeper) had Elijah Dukes and Chad Gaudin going to another team for Conner Jackson and Jokim Soria. I was very vocal about the stupidity of this deal when it went down and have since been proven right and then some. The beneficiary is one of the best teams in the league and now is sitting nice. I guess what I am saying is it only takes one donkey owner to offset the balance of power with one lopsided trade. So you are damned if you veto (Gallardo-Markakis debacle) and damned if you do (Jackson-Soria charity). Rudy – I am not upset that the trade was allowed so much as how he handled it. He emailed the whole league advising how they should vote while I took the high road. Also, he sent some pretty nasty emails my way when all I was trying to do is convey to him that the overwhelming opinion among fantasy experts was to not veto the deal.

Just goes to show you how explosive trades can be. We will remain friends. He is a bit of a hot head and I am letting him cool off. This was just my way of letting him know that I didn’t appreciate how he handled the whole thing.

I believe that the veto process needs to be done away with. Actually I would be happy with no trades at all. The first trade of the season in this league (non keeper) had Elijah Dukes and Chad Gaudin going to another team for Conner Jackson and Jokim Soria. I was very vocal about the stupidity of this deal when it went down and have since been proven right and then some. The beneficiary is one of the best teams in the league and now is sitting nice.

I guess what I am saying is it only takes one donkey owner to offset the balance of power with one lopsided trade. So you are damned if you veto (Gallardo-Markakis debacle) and damned if you do (Jackson-Soria charity).

]]> By: Rudy Gamble http://razzball.com/fantasy-baseball-trading-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-5607 Rudy Gamble Thu, 05 Jun 2008 14:18:54 +0000 http://razzball.com/?p=373#comment-5607 @<a href="#comment-5599" rel="nofollow">Kevin</a>: Dear Frustrated in Fantasyland - I remember your earlier letter. It's unfortunate that the trade didn't go through but it's definitely not worth losing a friendship over. Friends aren't robots you've programmed - they are going to do things time to time that you disagree with. Some days we are as rational as Greg Maddux, some days were are as irrational as Milton Bradley. Better you disagree on something like fantasy baseball vs. something more important. I'd advise making a truce and finding another league to play in next year... Regards, Dear Rudy @Kevin:
Dear Frustrated in Fantasyland – I remember your earlier letter. It’s unfortunate that the trade didn’t go through but it’s definitely not worth losing a friendship over. Friends aren’t robots you’ve programmed – they are going to do things time to time that you disagree with. Some days we are as rational as Greg Maddux, some days were are as irrational as Milton Bradley. Better you disagree on something like fantasy baseball vs. something more important. I’d advise making a truce and finding another league to play in next year…

Regards,
Dear Rudy

]]> By: Kevin http://razzball.com/fantasy-baseball-trading-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-5599 Kevin Thu, 05 Jun 2008 13:48:41 +0000 http://razzball.com/?p=373#comment-5599 As I wrote to you earlier in the season, I agreed to trade Gallardo for Markakis on the morning of Gallardo's big injury. My league subsequently rejected the trade even though it was clear we negotiated the deal beforehand. I emailed every fantasy expert I could think of and they all agreed with you--trade should have been judged when it was made, not events that have occurred since. Anyway, the owner and I have not spoken since. And this is a friend of mine, the guy that invited me into the league...my one and only league. As I wrote to you earlier in the season, I agreed to trade Gallardo for Markakis on the morning of Gallardo’s big injury. My league subsequently rejected the trade even though it was clear we negotiated the deal beforehand.

I emailed every fantasy expert I could think of and they all agreed with you–trade should have been judged when it was made, not events that have occurred since. Anyway, the owner and I have not spoken since. And this is a friend of mine, the guy that invited me into the league…my one and only league.

]]> By: Rudy Gamble http://razzball.com/fantasy-baseball-trading-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-5597 Rudy Gamble Thu, 05 Jun 2008 13:17:48 +0000 http://razzball.com/?p=373#comment-5597 @<a href="#comment-5528" rel="nofollow">BigFatHippo</a>: While I think Reyes is a great fantasy baseball asset, he's overrated in my book. When I did my own Player Rater for 2007 final stats (see here for the anthology of posts - http://razzball.com/espn-player-rater-did-they-listen-to-rudy/), Reyes came in at #23. And that was with 78 SB!!!! The reason is simple - he's a two stat player (SB, R). And I think that SBs are a volatile stat b/c all it takes is a little leg injury or a change in the lineup and you lose 20 SB. When I did the 2008 Point Shares (see '08 Ranking section at top of page), Reyes projected to #14 and Braun projected at #8. This methodology looked at how much better than the average player at their position a player was. For a 12 team league, Reyes is worth +4.8 points in the SB category (so, on a team w/ average speed, replacing your SS w/ Reyes moves you from 6.5 points to 11.3). He's a +1.5 for Runs and a negative -0.7 for HR/RBI/AVG. So he's actually a below average performer outside of SB and R. Braun was one of the few players who had positive value across all stats (netting at 7.1). I didn't believe in his SB (b/c they are volatile) but his R/HR/RBI/AVG all trump Reyes EVEN when factoring in more competition at 3B. So that's my take. But the rankings are only as good as the projections I used (Baseball Prospectus, BaseballHQ). Johan was #1. Peavy at #4. Hanley is at #7. Putz is #20. So it's not perfect. But Webb is #13 (higher than ANY preseason ranking).... @BigFatHippo: While I think Reyes is a great fantasy baseball asset, he’s overrated in my book. When I did my own Player Rater for 2007 final stats (see here for the anthology of posts – http://razzball.com/espn-player-rater-did-they-listen-to-rudy/), Reyes came in at #23. And that was with 78 SB!!!! The reason is simple – he’s a two stat player (SB, R). And I think that SBs are a volatile stat b/c all it takes is a little leg injury or a change in the lineup and you lose 20 SB.

When I did the 2008 Point Shares (see ’08 Ranking section at top of page), Reyes projected to #14 and Braun projected at #8. This methodology looked at how much better than the average player at their position a player was. For a 12 team league, Reyes is worth +4.8 points in the SB category (so, on a team w/ average speed, replacing your SS w/ Reyes moves you from 6.5 points to 11.3). He’s a +1.5 for Runs and a negative -0.7 for HR/RBI/AVG. So he’s actually a below average performer outside of SB and R.

Braun was one of the few players who had positive value across all stats (netting at 7.1). I didn’t believe in his SB (b/c they are volatile) but his R/HR/RBI/AVG all trump Reyes EVEN when factoring in more competition at 3B.

So that’s my take. But the rankings are only as good as the projections I used (Baseball Prospectus, BaseballHQ). Johan was #1. Peavy at #4. Hanley is at #7. Putz is #20. So it’s not perfect. But Webb is #13 (higher than ANY preseason ranking)….

]]> By: BigFatHippo http://razzball.com/fantasy-baseball-trading-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-5537 BigFatHippo Thu, 05 Jun 2008 01:10:04 +0000 http://razzball.com/?p=373#comment-5537 @BSA Took me 6 years to figure out how to play Roto and "failing miserably", the balance is tough. Don't give up. Our commish tried to change it to H2H this year since he hadn't won in three years. My argument went something like this, "you bastard, it took me 5 years to figure out how to play this shit and why do you think I kept who I kept?" We kept roto. Your rooks are strong and depends whether you're in a keeper league, wouldn't trade Bruce if he only costs you 6 bucks next year. I'm not. @BSA

Took me 6 years to figure out how to play Roto and “failing miserably”, the balance is tough. Don’t give up.

Our commish tried to change it to H2H this year since he hadn’t won in three years. My argument went something like this, “you bastard, it took me 5 years to figure out how to play this shit and why do you think I kept who I kept?”

We kept roto.

Your rooks are strong and depends whether you’re in a keeper league, wouldn’t trade Bruce if he only costs you 6 bucks next year. I’m not.

]]> By: BSA http://razzball.com/fantasy-baseball-trading-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-5536 BSA Thu, 05 Jun 2008 01:06:40 +0000 http://razzball.com/?p=373#comment-5536 I traded Volq for Vlad a couple of weeks ago planning on the rule that baseball is a game of averages and Volq has to come down and Vlad has to be better. I traded Volq for Vlad a couple of weeks ago planning on the rule that baseball is a game of averages and Volq has to come down and Vlad has to be better.

]]> By: BSA http://razzball.com/fantasy-baseball-trading-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-5535 BSA Thu, 05 Jun 2008 00:59:33 +0000 http://razzball.com/?p=373#comment-5535 @BigFatHippo - IBeing that I am only a sophomore fbm and a rookie razzer take what I say with a a grain of salt. The numbers look pretty close as Miller has been performing better, yet not coming away with wins or high strikeout numbers. By looking back each week it looks like he has only had a couple of good weeks, probably two starts. All in all rookie highs and lows. I think Cueto will be stronger in the end. I am hoping that by balancing my rookies and veterans I have built my team for the long haul and increased my chances of nailing a diamond in rookie cleats. My three rookies are Longo, Bruce, and Cueto. I am still not confident enough with some of the roto leagues after trying last year and failing miserably. It is making me question my inclusion in the razzball league. @BigFatHippo – IBeing that I am only a sophomore fbm and a rookie razzer take what I say with a a grain of salt. The numbers look pretty close as Miller has been performing better, yet not coming away with wins or high strikeout numbers. By looking back each week it looks like he has only had a couple of good weeks, probably two starts. All in all rookie highs and lows. I think Cueto will be stronger in the end.
I am hoping that by balancing my rookies and veterans I have built my team for the long haul and increased my chances of nailing a diamond in rookie cleats. My three rookies are Longo, Bruce, and Cueto.

I am still not confident enough with some of the roto leagues after trying last year and failing miserably. It is making me question my inclusion in the razzball league.

]]> By: BigFatHippo http://razzball.com/fantasy-baseball-trading-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-5532 BigFatHippo Thu, 05 Jun 2008 00:49:12 +0000 http://razzball.com/?p=373#comment-5532 Brett Myers is pitching a no no right now by the way. Don't think I'd trade Volquez for him though, not that I had Volquez but wish I did over Cueto. Gonna keep my Bruce. Lovin these Cincy rooks. Brett Myers is pitching a no no right now by the way. Don’t think I’d trade Volquez for him though, not that I had Volquez but wish I did over Cueto.

Gonna keep my Bruce. Lovin these Cincy rooks.

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