Comments on: Drafting Hitters vs. Pitchers in Rounds 3-8

By: Lou

Lou — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 00:16:00 +0000

@Baron Von Vulturewins: That's a fair point about not being top 10, and I should have been more descriptive. Using Pecota, CHone, etc, a line of .315 100/25/100/15 would really be a good outfielder. At the end of the season when somebody knocks in 140 not so much so.

By: Rudy Gamble

Rudy Gamble — Sun, 22 Feb 2009 00:06:28 +0000

@Steve C: I had read something on this…I don’t buy it all. D-Wright is the best option as the #3 hitter. Reyes would be a better #1 hitter than #2 hitter. Complete BS. I can easily see Hanley moving to #3 and Maybin moving to #1. Not worried though – whatever he loses in SBs, he gains in RBIs…

By: Steve C

Steve C — Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:30:33 +0000

Fyi, could be time to reconsider Reyes because the Mets are looking to move him down the batting order….http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2009/02/the_mets_make_another_forehead.html

By: Rudy Gamble

Rudy Gamble — Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:27:59 +0000

@Adam: I hear ya. Thanks for the encouragement to step up my blog game. I won't disappoint you Adam...

By: Adam1

Adam1 — Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:31:36 +0000

@ Rudy Gamble

Hmm… Surely you can see why a man crush draft with grappling gladiators is funny and original, while playing on a gay man’s appreciation of clothing is, well, kind of lazy?

I’m offended more by the laziness of the joke than its mean-spiritedness.

By: Baron Von Vulturewins

Baron Von Vulturewins — Sat, 21 Feb 2009 00:25:40 +0000

@Lou P: Hey, I like Holliday, especially in ’07. But he had 25 HRs last year, playing half his games in Coors. I do believe park effect can be over accentuated, but he’s in arguably going from one of the better hitters parks to one of the worst.

Two years ago, he had 36 HRs — but 12 of those — 12! — came in September. They still count, of course, but that means he was one ridiculous hot streak away from finishing with, say, oh, about 26 to 28 HRs on the season. Expecting 25 in Oakland seems to be overly optimistic.

Plus Oakland doesn’t run. At all.

PECOTA has him at .291, 23 HR, 89 RBIs. Not that he can’t beat that, but proceed with caution. And even if he goes .310, 25, 100 — that’s not top 10 or even Top 20.

By: Lou P

Lou P — Fri, 20 Feb 2009 23:18:08 +0000

@Baron Von Vulturewins: Put me on record as a Holliday believer. Sure, he takes a hit for the park move, but I still think he can be a Top-10 batter. I don't think .315 110/25/105 with 15 SB is out of the question.

By: Baron Von Vulturewins

Baron Von Vulturewins — Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:38:12 +0000

@agarthered: Hell, I drafted him last year at the 8th pick (after riding him in '07 to a championship) and regretted it. My disbelief at his shoddy final numbers in '08 has been recorded in comments all over this site. I like his swagger but, sadly, he's dead to me.

By: agarthered

agarthered — Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:14:13 +0000

@Baron I’m with you on Holliday, I will not draft him this year. The Coors Field factor is now gone, so is my urge to draft him.

By: Baron Von Vulturewins

Baron Von Vulturewins — Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:11:17 +0000

@agarthered: I also agree that if Peavy falls to me in the 4th or (heaven forbid) later, I will pounce. That's just good value, as me granpappy used to say.* @Lou: If anyone cares, I was perusing the new Baseball Prospectus and they are VERY down on Holliday this year in Oakland, for all the usual reasons. (Mostly park effect.) Down enough that I doubt I'd draft him unless he was available in, like, the 6th. Which he won't be. *He never said this.