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This post is not going to get into drafting strategy because Grey has already got that lined up so well and in such alignment with what I’d do, it’s not worth repeating.  Plus deep leagues usually don’t have a change to their pitching format so you don’t need pitcher pairings like you need SS pairings.  Madison Bumgarner will be the first pitcher I draft this year with how ADP shakes out and I hope to find Anibal Sanchez as well as Jordan Zimmermann on my team along with him.  I’m jumping straight to the do’s and don’ts and situations.  You don’t like it?  Don’t read it (though I secretly want you to).

I’ll Avoid:

Stephen Strasburg - The guy is a stud, no question.  He’s also got an ADP higher than Bumgarner and won’t pitch a full season…say what?  Sixth round is a little early for me to take a pitcher I know I have to get off my team by July or August.  I prefer my team to get me off, personally.  Let the other guy in your league gloat that he got Stras’ then watch as you get those ‘SUBJ: Strasburg’ emails by summer.  ‘Hey guys, Stephen’s having a great year and the Nats are pushing for the playoffs.  I’m willing to sell him for Ricky Romero or Matt Garza or something.  That’s, like, MAJOR value dudes’.  No it’s not, hypothetical Strasburg drafter and don’t call me dude.  I prefer not to be forced to replace 6th round value partway through the season.

Johnny Cueto - Yes, pretty stats:  2.31 ERA and a 1.09 WHIP.  Those stats sparkle brighter than Edward Cullen after getting bedazzled (as an aside, I’m really angry I had to look up Twilight to find that name; be thankful).  But under the hood we have a K rate less than 7 per 9, and a lucky 5.8% HR/FB rate and a 76% strand rate.  He’s looking like a high 3, low 4 ERA guy with minimal K upside and a 1.20+ WHIP.  I’m not drafting that when Gio Gonzalez is going quite near his 113 ADP.  Nope, not gonna do it.  Wouldn’t be prudent.

I’ll Go For:

Homer Bailey - This is what I love about pitching.  Even in deep leagues, when your late round guys flounder, you can drop them for someone else and have a reasonably good staff.  If Homer doesn’t build on his 2011 campaign, you’re not going to be hurt.  The Reds have been quite good at keeping his innings at a reasonable level over the last 3 years.  Or maybe its his injuries that have done it.  Well, whatever, most places have him only pitching 160 innings this year with a K/9 over 7.  I’m a bit more bullish and think you can get 180 to 190 innings out of that with a 1.30 WHIP and around 155 K’s and a won’t hurt you high 3, low 4 ERA.  Hey, you don’t like that, you can take Cueto 11 rounds earlier with less K’s.  It’s your bad idea/horrible season/death knell team, not mine.

Chris Capuano – I liked Capuano so much this year, I gave him his own post.  I’ve got a thing and it’s called Greydar love.

Situation to Monitor: St. Louis

There’s a lot of situations to watch when it comes to pitching so its hard to narrow down to one.  Personally, I’ll be watching and waiting for the Cardinals to call up Shelby Miller in the summer.  When I look for a rookie pitcher to pick up, I focus on three things.  First, are they coming up in an organization that has a history of success with their pitchers?  I’d say the Cardinals have a great history of turning guys like Kyle Lohse into serviceable pitchers and that says a lot.  Secondly, will they be brought up at just the right time so their flaws won’t be exposed?  I say this as I truly enjoyed Madison Bumgarner and Daniel Hudson on my team in 2010.  They were good pitchers who had a great end of season runs that weren’t hiccup’ed by a bad start with a 2nd or 3rd turn against a team.  When those guys are your 6th and 7th pitcher, you’re pitching drifts into the ‘kinda awesome’ area.  Third, are they talented?  I’d say Shelby’s minor league stats speak for themselves on that question.  Well, not literally, they’re numbers written in the next sentence.  In 86 2/3 IP in Double-A, 9+ K-rate and a 2.70 ERA.  Okay, they’re very good numbers.

From Around The Web

  1. Bourne says:
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    I have Hudson on both my redrafts this year as my 3rd SP. Fingers crossed for another step forward!

    Thoughts on liking mike minor? Not like minors

    • Oregon Nut Cups

      Oregon Nut Cups says:
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      @Bourne, I’m assuming that’s the D-Hud. I like him this year. The K rate slipped a bit but 2011 was still a good sign overall for a young pitcher.

      I do like Mike Minor this year as a late round flier, even if I have to deal with Chris Hansen to get him.

  2. The Gig says:
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    I’m with you – all good recommendations. I will say though that the St. Louis pitching success history gets a bit muddled when you consider Dave Duncan is no longer the guy in charge of the classroom. I’m in, seriously in, on Jaime Garcia this year. Love is in the air.

    • Oregon Nut Cups

      Oregon Nut Cups says:
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      @The Gig, Understand the Duncan issue, but still a good organization. Knowledge doesn’t fade that quickly, or at least I hope it doesn’t.

      Agree on Jaime; I’ve missed him this year only because I’ve already spent about 3 picks on pitchers by the time he comes up. If I have to pick between him, Kuroda, Wandy, Holland, & Morrow (all very similar ADP) I like him the most.

  3. The Gig says:
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    Fair enough re: St. Louis – time will tell. I like Jaime more than all of those guys, in fact, I think he can progress into a legit number 2 starter.

    • Oregon Nut Cups

      Oregon Nut Cups says:
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      @The Gig, I’m with you. At worst, he’s a high ceiling 3 this year in my book.

  4. FD says:
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    Drafted Dickey but Homer is available.

    Will Homer yield considerably better results or is it more of a coin flip?

    Thanks

    • Oregon Nut Cups

      Oregon Nut Cups says:
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      @FD, Homer has better K potential and higher upside. Dickey is mainly a home play and that may change with the walls coming in at Citi Field. I’d grab Homer over him for sure.

  5. Jim says:
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    I like Garcia this year, however is home/away splits are goofy. Top 5 pitcher at home, not startable on road. Hopefully he corrects that.

    • Oregon Nut Cups

      Oregon Nut Cups says:
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      @Jim, Still young and improved his BB/9 last year. I see one more year of improvement from him. I’ll take 3rd year pitcher with a 3.12 K:BB ratio any day.

  6. Yep, I said it! says:
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    In a deep deep league, which two of these free-agent guys will give the most value this year (even if that’s just a tiny bit of value): Marquis, Moyer, Oliver, Millwood, Doubront, Dice-K, or Carmona? For some insane reason, I’m thinking about picking up Marquis and Doubront. Go ahead: shoot me now.

    • Oregon Nut Cups

      Oregon Nut Cups says:
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      @Yep, I said it!, How tiny of a value are we thinking…ooph, that’s a nasty list. To be honest, I’d probably go Marquis & Millwood for home ballpark factor cuz we sure ain’t looking at skillset with that list!

  7. El Famous Burrito says:
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    Is James Paxton worth a late round flier in a deep league? I see conflicting reports of him coming up early or late this year.

    • Oregon Nut Cups

      Oregon Nut Cups says:
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      @El Famous Burrito, Mariners don’t usually rush their prospects. I’d think late this year is most appropriate.

  8. mike says:
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    dont see how stats like hr/fb rate and strand rate to a lesser extent are even relevant when judging players

    • Oregon Nut Cups

      Oregon Nut Cups says:
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      @mike, Those stats are important when we’re talking about a pitcher. Assuming we’re talking about Cueto, there are a lot of warning signs with his underlying stats from last year. Let’s review league averages:

      HR/FB rate: 10.6%

      LOB%: roughly 70%

      I can understand a low HR/FB rate for a guy that has a big home ballpark but his home stadium is not helpful for that. Though it’s true he had a 1.78 GB/FB rate last year which obviously helped, below 6% is still a hard number to keep. If he goes back up to league average in LOB% and his HR/FB rate goes up to about 8%, the ERA has to go up as does the WHIP. Since those are the only two things that help you with him, he’s an expensive risk to take and not worth it in my opinion.

  9. GB says:
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    Mr. Nut Cups,

    I initially agreed on Strasburg. I then developed a huge man crush on him after thinking he can approach 200 K in his 160 IP. His ratios will be very good, and wins are a crapshoot. Talent-wise, I believe he is top 5 SP material. I drafted him in the 5th round of my 12 team mixed league and drafted the best available MR late, being David Robertson. Adding in whatever you get from a MR, with potentially fantastic ratios, I thought it worth the risk. He should miss only 5-6 starts, so I gambled. I like him too much facing the crappy Mets and Pirates, and the free swinging Braves and Marlins. Ultimately, he is a blast to watch. I love Bumgarner too, but being on the east coast, I’ll love to spend every 5th day watching Strasburg than just checking Bumgarner’s numbers the next morning. Thanks for letting me ramble, keep up the good work!

    • Bourne says:
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      @GB, and while ONC paints a bad trade picture, there are suckers in every league

    • Oregon Nut Cups

      Oregon Nut Cups says:
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      @GB, You can watch him, ya don’t have to draft him! :)

      I understand your reasoning; do realize he’s going to be hard to move in an H2H league, my post had a slight slant towards them. I didn’t want to talk too much about him being an injury risk because he’s had very little time to prove he is or isn’t but that IS in the back of my mind when I think about drafting him.

    • Bill_Buckner says:
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      @GB, I agree completely. I play a lot of roto leagues with innings limits around 1250 or so. St. Rasburg is a fantastic SP to have in such formats as it doesn’t matter when he accumulates his stats (unlike h2h) and his Ks in 160 ip can mirror what some other 6th round SPs give you in a full season. Think of it as an extra roster spot for streaming SPs with favorable matchups down the stretch. Think of it this way: you can take him or Jon lester in the 6th round. You’re going to sit lester against the yanks for 5 starts a year anyway (if you’re smart and you know that lester was terrible against ny last year). So why not take 27 starts from St. Rasburg during which he will give you better ratios and more Ks than 28 or so starts from lester?

  10. Public Enemy #1 says:
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    What are your thoughts on Pomeranz, HAlvarez and Bauer for 2012? These guys round out the back end of a 16 team rotation that includes Hamels, DHud, Masterson, Marcum and Danks.

    • Oregon Nut Cups

      Oregon Nut Cups says:
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      @Public Enemy #1, Alvarez is iffy for me. If he were in the NL, I’d like him more but he’s in the worst league to be a control pitcher. AL East is a tough league to pitch in when you have a high K rate, let alone a low one.

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      @Public Enemy #1, PS, like your staff overall BTW. Bauer & Pomeranz sound fine to me at the tail end of your staff.

  11. Jack says:
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    Trying to decide between Nolasco, Homer, McDonald, and Volquez. Thought I would go with Homer, but he hasn’t pitched well this spring. Thoughts?

    • Oregon Nut Cups

      Oregon Nut Cups says:
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      @Jack, Spring stats mean very little unless you’re competing for a roster spot. Homer can’t be sent back down without going on waivers so he’s making the team out of spring training. Most likely the Madson injury just made it easier for the Reds to move Aroldis back to the pen. Like Homer’s potential over the other three due to underlying stats, but I could see a reason to take Volquez. You might be dropping all 4 by the end of April though, so there’s that…

  12. The Gig says:
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    I’m in on Pomeranz, Alvarez and Bauer if they come cheap enough – I like them all more than I like Danks, Masterson or Marcum.

    • Jack says:
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      @The Gig,

      wow

    • Public Enemy #1 says:
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      @The Gig, Yes…Wow indeed! Don’t get me wrong, I like the upside of all three of these rooks. Maybe one of them works out better than the Marcum/Masterson/Danks group, but even that’s a long shot IMO.

    • Oregon Nut Cups

      Oregon Nut Cups says:
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      @The Gig, That’s Spring Fever talking :)

  13. Big Magoo

    Big Magoo says:
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    I don’t remember if you included his projections in your prospect article, but I was wondering what #s you expect from Darvish this year? I’m heavily invested in a number of money leagues. I was thinking along the lines of 15-ish wins, mid-threes ERA, 1.2 whip, and 200 or so Ks. Reasonable or optimistic?

    • Oregon Nut Cups

      Oregon Nut Cups says:
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      @Big Magoo, Sorry Magoo, I didn’t write up the prospect article so I don’t have a reference point. Your stats are reasonable and in line with a lot of ideas of what he might do. Hard to tell with Japanese pitchers whether those stats are reasonable or optimistic. Crapshoot.

      • Big Magoo

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        @Oregon Nut Cups, Oops, that was a Scott Evans razzball article. Sorry for the mix-up. Your comments on Miller sent me on a tangent. I didn’t get Anibal anywhere, but I’m also heavily invested in Zimmermann and Bum. Any thoughts on Garcia? It looks like he might be a value pick where he’s being drafted.

        • Oregon Nut Cups

          Oregon Nut Cups says:
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          @Big Magoo, No worries. I like Garcia this year. I didn’t highlight him because I wanted to go deep on my calls. Solid 3 with great upside.

          • Big Magoo

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            @Oregon Nut Cups, Understood. I was just interested in hearing your thoughts on him. Thanks for the responses.

            • Oregon Nut Cups

              Oregon Nut Cups says:
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              @Big Magoo, NP and good luck this year!

  14. The Gig says:
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    You guys are prolly right – my comment is more of a reflection on how down I am on Danks, Masterson and Marcum. I should say I would skip those guys and wait to pickup Pomeranz, Alvarez and Bauer. Bauer is in the minors so obviously I wouldn’t draft him before the vets mentioned.

    I just don’t see much upside at all with D, M and M. Marcum scares me with injury risk.

    • Oregon Nut Cups

      Oregon Nut Cups says:
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      @The Gig, Marcum is a solid 3. I’m not extremely high on the other two either but with clarification, your statement makes sense. So long as your 3 and 4 and isn’t any of those guys, I’m fine for ignoring those others and going for upside. Makes sense.

  15. The Gig says:
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    I’m also coming from a keeper league mentality – probably shading my judgment a bit.

    • Oregon Nut Cups

      Oregon Nut Cups says:
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      @The Gig, yeah probably. If we’re talking keepers, I’d be looking at Nicasio over Alvarez if we’re talking deep targets. Niese too.

  16. MH says:
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    How deep are we talking here? If its NL-Only, Strasburg takes a huge hit, since there basically isn’t a replacement level or streaming options. If its like, 12-team, 27 deep, I’d argue you’re looking at Strasburg wrong. In a league like that, you have 160 starts of elite rations, and then 5-6 streamer starts in late August and September when the crappy teams’ offenses have packed it in and there are a bajillion young pitchers getting September looks. So if Strasburg goes 13-3.00-1.00-170, in 160 innings you’re actually getting more like 15-3.20-1.05-200 in 200 innings, which is a few bucks better than I’m expecting from MadBum (that’s assuming you just “only” 2-4.00-1.30-33 (7.5 K/9) out of those last 40 innings) and quite a bit better than I’m expecting from other 6th round pitchers like Jon Lester, Matt Cain, and Yovani Gallardo.

    But I do agree, depth of league is a huge factor in Strasburg’s value, because replacement level is a huge factor.

    • Oregon Nut Cups

      Oregon Nut Cups says:
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      @MH, I see where you’re coming from but my main concern is not putting myself in the boat of needing to make up for those lost innings. It’s the level of where he’s going coupled with what you’re trying to replace. As we both know, those stats are not replaceable in a competitive league at the end of the year. It may not have as big of an effect in roto, but it definitely does in H2H.

      Also, we’re assuming a lot with him. We assume he completes those 160 innings. I’m not calling him an injury risk, but for a 6th round draft pick, I’d like a little bit more history of health. And speaking of history, he’s only pitched 92 major league innings. Madison is young but now has 325 innings of experience to back up his stat line. I love upside and speculative plays but I don’t want that from the 6th round of my draft, personally.

      • MH says:
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        @Oregon Nut Cups, I hear you. Part of this question is risk tolerance, which is a factor I do my best to eliminate from my thinking as much as possible. There tends to be more profit opportunity in having a higher tolerance for risk than a lower one (see “Loss Aversion”), but its a valid point.

        The other thing I’d mention is that ALL the algorithms see Strasburg in that neighborhood, which is telling. Of the three I tend to rely on most (Steamer, Oliver, ZiPS), not one sees Bumgarner matching a hybrid Strasburg/Streamer line unless the replacement level is very low. 

        I actually didn’t go into the year targeting Strasburg, but I wound up with him in two leagues, the RotoAuthority Gold league and the in house THT expert league, because I think he’s someone MORE likely to get undervalued by experts than by your average roto-o-phile. The experts have so much information to anchor on, they’re much more likely to overweight the risks involved, whereas a more typical fan isn’t as inundated with that information and therefore less likely to put as much weight on it. Strasburg is a popular “expert avoid” guy, and I think he profiles perfectly as a guy experts are likely to misunderstand.

        Also in leagues with timing dynamics like H2H, the situation is different and you have to account for it, so yeah I’m basically just talking Roto.

        • Oregon Nut Cups

          Oregon Nut Cups says:
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          @MH, I 100% understand where you’re coming from. For me, there’s a time and place for risk and Strasburg is going around the time I’m taking my ace (Greinke or Bumgarner) and I’d have a hard time making him mine. I definitely can’t fault you with your theory, though. This is one of those ‘we’ll have to see how the season plays out’ kind of things. Good luck this year. Hopefully we’re both right :)

          • MH says:
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            @Oregon Nut Cups, Fair enough!

            I’m definitely not entirely comfortable with a strategy that has Strasburg alone the top of my pitching staff. I do have that situation in the RotoAuthority league, but that’s because I drafted and dealt Kershaw, figuring I could get more value doing that in the draft than by blowing a late second round pick on Andrew McCutchen. So now my offense looks fantastic–slightly weak at first and second base, but a ridiculous outfield/third base/shortstop/MI setup, but my pitching is really hinging on Stras unless I can find an SP upgrade. I was working on SP and first base, but of course, I had Madson (and Marshall was drafted), so now I have one more issue to worry about and have to be a bit finer in how I use my tradable assets.

            Still, I have Strasburg, Latos, Garza, Anibal, and Niese, which I don’t hate as far as a pitching staff goes. I really need one more solid guy and I’m happy, but right now my other pitching roster spots are occupied by relievers I’m gambling on.

            In the THT league I’ve got Strasburg, Hanson (who fell into me dirt cheap), Latos, Beachy, Anibal, Minor, and more closers than I know what to do with, so I’m a bit more comfortable there. I feel like the biggest difference is that Hanson is basically a freeroll gamble compared to the RotoAuthority staff, as Beachy and Minor is pretty similar to Garza and Niese.

            • Oregon Nut Cups

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              @MH, Nice, I can’t fault any of those staffs. Latos is going to be very useful this year. Feel like he’s getting a bit overlooked for his potential with a winning ballclub. Obviously, we always want an ace but trades happen and good pitchers come out of the woodwork throughout the year. Rather make sure to have a solid hitting staff as I go and trade from strength there if the chance presents itself.

              • MH says:
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                @Oregon Nut Cups, Definitely agreed on Latos. The thing that gets most overlooked with his team shift is that the Reds are a very good defensive team. Yes, he may give four or five more homers, but he should make gains in wins and the defense behind him will be solid. He also opened last year hurt and improved in every month of the season, so I think his performance may have been a bit on the lower end of his true talent spectrum anyway. Also, his career HR/FB is somehow lower on the road (7.8%) than at home (8.3%).

                I actually see Latos, Garza, and Sanchez as very similar pitchers. They all have 200 K / Low 3.00 ERA potential. None of them will be WHIP beasts, but they have solid enough command not to hurt you there either. They all have some minor question marks (Latos=ballpark change, Garza=sustainable performance and lousy team, Sanchez=sustainable performance and lining up his ERA and DIPS), but should be very good values at their prices and are guys I prefer to most of the guys going directly ahead of them.

  17. strugz says:
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    Speaking of Jonny Cuets…

    Got Cueto in the 14th. He’s my 5th starter. Thinking of using him to upgrade at MI since those rate stats sure are perty. I currently have Aaron Hill slotted in there.

    OBP league rather than AVG. QS rather than W’s

    What do you think of Cueto/Hill for Ack? Would grab Nicasio off waivers to fill in for Cueto.

    • Oregon Nut Cups

      Oregon Nut Cups says:
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      @strugz, Ack in an OBP league is great. Do it.

  18. chata says:
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    you’re taking bumgarner , hoping to get anibal and j-zim ,
    grabbing homer bailey and chris capuano , and waiting on a call-up
    from st. louis ?

    dude , (yep , i called you ‘dude’) , throw in the towel now .

    • Oregon Nut Cups

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      @chata, Ha, no I said Grey’s covered the idea of building your staff. I’m looking at the late calls that can be useful to a staff that is already shaped well. Follow his plan and keep your eye on guys like Homer, Capuano, Niese, etc.

  19. Peter says:
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    Whats your take on Sale, Luebke, and Morrow? See any of them breaking out this year?

    • Oregon Nut Cups

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      @Peter, Like them all, Luebke the most due to home ballpark, NL factor. Sale’s price (pun unintentially awesome) is great. Don’t mind all three on my roster since none really go in the same area of the draft.

  20. pipa says:
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    Do you think it’s worth it to keep Belt? Or should I pick up Cozart for Belt?

    • Oregon Nut Cups

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      @pipa, what type of league you have going on? H2H/Roto? 12 team? How many SS do you start? I’m assuming you play in a deep league if you have Belt. If so, unless you need the SS, I’d stay Belt.

  21. pipa says:
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    14 team h2h…my bench is full of 1B/OF options…J Peralta is my SS , so I don’t need Cozart…just would have him on my bench…we play two UT spots.

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      @pipa, If you’ve got a lot of 1B/OF options, Belt is expendable. I’d pick up Cozart. Don’t get me wrong, love Belt. I just wish Bochy did. Maybe he needs to turn 35 overnight and he’ll get his shot.

  22. mike says:
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    Thanks in advance Oregon. I have a h2h auction draft tonight with some interesting pitching stats. 30 ip min. Total Bases Allowed (TB), Strikeouts per Walk Ratio (K/BB), Winning Percentage (WIN%), Quality Starts (QS), Net Saves (NSV). The way I look at it is I’m not going to be able to do my usually h2h strategy by tossing a overwhelming # of ip. K/BB, Win% TB won’t work with that. The only thing adding up is QS? So I’m thinking of 3-4 ace pitchers, that’s it and sit right around 30ip. Take a look at those stats and tell me what you see.

    • Oregon Nut Cups

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      @mike, Interestingly, my keeper league switched our pitching stats to some of yours for 2012 (TB, QS & K/BB but we’re an 8×8 league) and we have a 40 IP minimum weekly. For me, I’d concentrate on K/BB and QS with TB being the third thing to be the tie breaker when determining your pitching staff. W% is better than Wins but is still a crapshoot and is worth ignoring. If you’d like, my league did a spreadsheet of value of pitcher based on our stats for this year. If you’d like it, either post your email here or PM me on the forums if you don’t wanna get some weird spam from someone and I’ll shoot the spreadsheet your way. It was amazing to see Doug Fister get a 6th round ranking along side Lincecum & C.C. Sabathia (W% would’ve helped C.C. there, though). Anyways, let me know. It might be helpful or it might just make you even more flustered since pitchers are only filtered by ‘blank’ so you get RP & SP. You can filter by highest K:BB and then by amount of QS then by TB (which I can preset if you’re not used to working with excel). Let me know.

      Strategy-wise, quality over quantity but it doesn’t necessarily require a change from Grey’s ideas. Zimmermann, A-Sanchez, Bumgarner, & Greinke all go far enough apart you can get them and all have 3+ K:BB ratios in 2011. Doug Fister/Brandon McCarthy become interesting in your league setting.

      • mike says:
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        @Oregon Nut Cups, a simple amazing reply thanks! if you could shoot that spreadsheet to me (whatagrind@yahoo.com) got to love Fisters 3.95K/BB.

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          @mike, I gotcha. Let me know if you don’t get it. Currently in a draft so hopefully it gets there!

  23. Curse of the Goat says:
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    When do you expect Shelby Miller to get called up and do you like him more than Brett Anderson or Jorge
    De la Rosa? I realize all three guys will only pitch for part of a season, but wondering how you think those guys will do.

    Thanks!

    • Oregon Nut Cups

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      @Curse of the Goat, Shelby. TJ saps control. Anderson relies on it and De La Rosa’s was already shaky.

      • Curse of the Goat says:
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        @Oregon Nut Cups, Thanks! Out of the rookie pitchers likely to pitch in the majors this year, where do you put Shelby Miller?

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          @Curse of the Goat, tough question on that. What are we defining as rookie, i.e. do we count a guy like Drew Pomeranz who is looking like a lock in the starting line-up out of the gate in Colorado or does it need to be a call-up like a Trevor Bauer? Sorry it took so long to get back to you, was in the middle of a 4 hour auction draft. I need a beer or three…

          • Curse of the Goat says:
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            @Oregon Nut Cups, I think my question was drink inducing given my lack of specificity. I’ll define rookie as anyone who hasn’t pitched in the Majors, yet. I’m trying to gauge if he’s worth hanging on to, or if I should be investing in other deep league pitching options.

            • Oregon Nut Cups

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              @Curse of the Goat, I usually only sit on rookie arms if it’s a deep keeper in that scenario. You’ll be using that roster spot for streaming/pickups eventually anyway. I do like Miller the most of my expected mid-season callups, though.

  24. Piranhaman says:
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    hi, ONC. i’m very glad to see you here since i saw you in Fangraphs.

    i have a Q. who’d be better pick, Adam Dunn or Justin Morneau?

    i’m considering to pick one of them for my last spot.

    our league counts OPS cat. so, i also like Dunn for now if he can bounce back. give me a wise advice :)

    • Oregon Nut Cups

      Oregon Nut Cups says:
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      @Piranhaman, Ha on the fangraphs. Must be comments, I’ve never posted over there but I appreciate their site.

      In a vacuum, I’d have to go Dunn too. Concussions are just too odd of an injury to predict so I can’t buy in on Morneau at this point.

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        @Oregon Nut Cups, yeah i saw your comments. yours were interesting. thanks for advice. :)

  25. Curse of the Goat says:
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    @Oregon Nut Cups, Thanks for the input. I’m in a deep keeper league and figured that Shelby Miller was a better guy to keep on the squad at this point than someone like De La Rosa. At worst, Miller stays in the minors and tears it up. At best, he gets called up, plays well and I use him as trade bait to a rebuilding team or even a keeper on my own team.

    Thanks for the help!

    • Oregon Nut Cups

      Oregon Nut Cups says:
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      @Curse of the Goat, NP, glad to help. Good luck this year!

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