Comments on: Deep Impact: Don’t Be Such an Asset, Part Two

By: jaywrong

jaywrong — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 00:56:45 +0000

@Thrilla, I too, am infatuated. Everything you state here is agreed upon on my side.

It’s going to be fun 15 years watching both of them!

By: Thrilla

Thrilla — Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:13:39 +0000

@jaywrong, I see your point, although I would never use the word ‘consensus’ that Harper projects to have a better career than Trout. Many opinions that I respect say Trout’s ceiling is higher. Both seem to be generational-type talents and it’s terrifyingly awesome that neither guy is close to being physically mature.

I think for fantasy purposes you’re right, Harper’s unbelievable power potential probably does give him the nod by a hair. Right now I’m just infatuated with Trout’s ability to hit for average and power while being elite in the SBs category.

By: jaywrong

jaywrong — Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:49:46 +0000

@Saul T. Loade, ooo, I like pickles too. You sure know how to look right into my soul. Let us agree to disagree.

By: jaywrong

jaywrong — Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:48:10 +0000

@kwadjo, the post was for the allstar weekend, but just got way too long and I broke it into two parts. Have no fear, I will address your needs once again.

By: Saul T. Loade

Saul T. Loade — Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:09:37 +0000

Whatever, pickle puss. You’re delusional if you think Cano, Tulo, Justin Upton, or CarGo don’t belong on a top-15 keeper list. And Prince Fielder is certainly a better keeper than either Weiters or Posey. This list is garbage. Go back to humping your pillow. Fantasy baseball isn’t your thing.

By: kwadjo

kwadjo — Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:07:08 +0000

I’m confused here. Why are these players listed in a “Deep Impact” post? I want to know about the next minor leaguer that could help my team. Or who the Marlins will be playing everyday after they they trade the rest of their starters. I’m not planning my 2013 draft now, I’m trying to figure out how to win a 2012 deep league. Nice list though, even if it is completely useless.

By: jaywrong

jaywrong — Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:37:08 +0000

@Thrilla, I forgot to mention, you make a good case for the ‘refined’ descriptor. I just love the word ‘raw’, though. Not as much as ‘furiosity’, but it’s close…

By: jaywrong

jaywrong — Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:34:31 +0000

@Saul T. Loade, Prince Fielder? No, I don’t think so. And when you factor in the potential salaries, years of control in a dynasty, age factor, positional scarcity, etc.,then your choices aren’t as valuable as you think they are. Justin Upton was discussed in Part I. You might be getting this list confused with a redraft list. Not the case. And I happen to like my pillow. So much in fact, it now has the texture of a potato chip.

By: jaywrong

jaywrong — Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:21:51 +0000

@Pefacommish, I agree, which is why Chapman made it on my Part I post. Hamilton has some special speed, but I don’t think he sticks at SS which hurts his value to a degree. But still a mighty fine spec to have.

By: Pefacommish

Pefacommish — Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:33:41 +0000

Aroldys Chapman is putting up some sick, sick numbers and has the upside of turning into a starter. And if you want to go deeeeep, Billy Hamilton has the look of a once in a generation fantasy asset.

By: jaywrong

jaywrong — Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:25:24 +0000

@Czernobog, well, I think any pitcher could turn into the next Lincecum. But the physical nature and added loss of velocity might have been a tipping point here.

By: jaywrong

jaywrong — Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:22:19 +0000

@Thrilla, thanks. On Harper, the comments are based upon a consensus that while Trout is having the better year by far, most project Harper to have a better career. While myself and others could be wrong, Harper’s name is the gold standard in dynasties, and I place value on that. Rationally, Trout and McCutch are better assets, as you point out, but its also hard gauging the future value of these names. You could say I’m hedging my bets with both Trout and Harper’s placement, as I expect them to battle it out the next 5 years, min.

By: Czernobog

Czernobog — Mon, 30 Jul 2012 05:14:12 +0000

So Kershaw could be the next Tim Lincecum?

By: chunk

chunk — Mon, 30 Jul 2012 04:05:56 +0000

@Thrilla, Ahh, gotcha.

By: Thrilla

Thrilla — Mon, 30 Jul 2012 04:04:08 +0000

@chunk, True. I was referencing the

“Simply put, [Harper] is the most valuable commodity in any dynasty format, even more so then the next two names.”

By: chunk

chunk — Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:47:14 +0000

@Thrilla, Trout is ranked above (well, in this case below) Harper…

By: Thrilla

Thrilla — Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:38:44 +0000

How’s Harper more valuable than Trout in a dynasty league?

Also, wouldn’t Jose Bautista be the best refined power you’ve seen, as opposed to raw power? When I think of raw power I think of Stanton, Trumbo, Reynolds, etc. Big guys with monstrous power that appears to come naturally. Bautista’s power seems to be a product of swinging ridiculously hard.

No idea if that makes sense and I’m not trying to nit-pick. Nice read no doubt.

By: Saul T. Loade

Saul T. Loade — Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:15:10 +0000

WTF. Cano, CarGo, Justin Upton & Tulowitzki are no-brainers. Prince Fielder might even make the list. Weiters, Giancarlo & Posey take it the long way. Kershaw is definitely the best pitcher keeper. Josh Hamilton will be in rehab by 2014. Miggy should definitely be #1 and you’re a #2. Go back to rubbing against the pillow in your mommy’s basement. You’re better at that.

By: jaywrong

jaywrong — Mon, 30 Jul 2012 01:06:08 +0000

@BlinkULDHC, I spoke of Chris Sale in Part I. While I’m not ready to put him here yet, he is on the cusp. You made a very fair point though.

By: BlinkULDHC

BlinkULDHC — Mon, 30 Jul 2012 00:39:41 +0000

Pitcher A: Born 3/30/1989
2012 stats: 124 IP, 12-3, 2.61 ERA 1.024 WHIP 8.3 K/9 3.68 K:BB, and hitters hitting .214/.270/.314 for .584 OPS
Career: 218.1 IP, 2.60 ERA, 1.058 WHIP, 9.3 K/9, opponents hitting .207/.275/.314 for .589 OPS

Pitcher B: Born 7/20/1988
2012 stats: 117.1 IP, 11-4, 2.76 ERA, 1.116 WHIP, 11.6 K/9, 4.72 K:BB and hitters hitting .229/.287/.349 for .635 OPS
Career: 209.1 IP, 2.67 ERA, 1.056 WHIP, 11.5 K/9, 5.24 K:BB, hitters with .221/.271/.326 for .597 OPS

Which player is unranked, and which one is ranked #7?

By: jaywrong

jaywrong — Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:59:41 +0000

@Kershaw Shank Redemption, Yeah, I mean, if you have a target and you need him, I’d say trade now if you can, since time is growing short. Especially in a redraft league.

By: Kershaw Shank Redemption

Kershaw Shank Redemption — Sun, 29 Jul 2012 22:59:49 +0000

@jaywrong, thanks I try to through out the witty names on occasion and if he goes through a hot streak would you try to sell at the end? depending on who i could get obviously but it is a 10×10 non keeper league if that changes your mind.

By: jaywrong

jaywrong — Sun, 29 Jul 2012 22:28:33 +0000

@Miggytown, Yes, I would. Even more so if OBP is a cat. Meow.

By: jaywrong

jaywrong — Sun, 29 Jul 2012 22:27:15 +0000

@Kershaw Shank Redemption, Haha, love the shawshank shoutout. Yeah, I’d hold. I don’t like how he hasn’t adjusted to pitches outside the zone. But I think he has one more hot streak in him.

By: Miggytown

Miggytown — Sun, 29 Jul 2012 22:15:12 +0000

would you trade Encarnacion for Heyward right now for 5 more years of a keeper league?

By: Kershaw Shank Redemption

Kershaw Shank Redemption — Sun, 29 Jul 2012 21:12:29 +0000

Hamilton has been a bum as of late, I shouldn’t complain seeing has he put up some players season totals in just the first half but do you see him heating up soon or should I deal him for some good value?

By: jaywrong

jaywrong — Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:52:18 +0000

@MetalManic, thanks. And yes, I would tend to agree with you, but when I look at the trading blocks out there, Harper seems to the name I least see. Everyone has him in a GI Joe grip… that’s gotta count for something. But your point is a good one.

By: jaywrong

jaywrong — Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:47:03 +0000

@Mike, depends how bad you need k’s. I’m not terribly sure they will shut him down, but skipped starts are a possibility. I’d do Cook for sure. I’d keep Wil unless you are okay with saves. I’d rather keep Freese and Craig.

By: MetalManic

MetalManic — Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:38:30 +0000

Pretty decent. Although Harper seems a little high for this draft of the list, I feel it is quite a fair order. Thanks!

By: Mike

Mike — Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:30:09 +0000

Would u trade Craig or freese and either cook or wilhemsen for Strasburg?
Too much for 6 starts?
Thanks