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Here, friend, are some catchers that I will be targeting at my 2017 fantasy drafts after the top options are gone.  I’m not going to get into the strategy of punting catchers.  Been there, half-drunkenly wrote that years ago.  Click on the player’s name where applicable to read more and see their 2017 projections.  This is a (legal-in-most-countries) supplement to the top 20 catchers of 2017 fantasy baseball.  Now, guys and five girl readers, I am not saying avoid catchers like J.T. Realmuto if they fall, but to get on this list, you need to be drafted later than 200 overall, and, to preemptively answer at least seven comments, yes, I will go around the entire infield, outfield and pitchers to target very late.  Anyway, here’s some catchers to target for 2017 fantasy baseball:

Matt Wieters (ESPN 222, Yahoo 278) He landed with the Nats late in February, and I updated the top 20 catchers, but more because it moved Norris down rather than Wieters up.  With that said (Grey, you got a good thing going here, don’t backtrack on me), I don’t dislike Wieters if I’m getting him around 280 overall.  ESPN has him a little high for my taste, but 222 or 280 is more or less the same diff.  Like Isla Fisher or Amy Adams lit by only the dim glow of my iPhone.

Welington Castillo (ESPN 300)  Mean’s while, Yahoo has him ranked at 186 overall, which is goofy high.   Perhaps they’re just overwhelmed with excitement to see Boeuf Welington behind the platé.  BTW, if you’re opening up a store that sells paté, you should call it, Daydream Be-Liver.  Or maybe, From The Best to The Liverwurst.  Okay, you’re not selling effin’ liver anyway, except on the black market and that’s a human liver.  Boeuf has played in decent parks before, and has never exactly exploded for a great season, but 15-17 homers seems doable for this late round pick (in ESPN).

Cameron Rupp (ESPN NR, Yahoo 289) For those of you wondering, ESPN ranked only thirteen catchers in the top 300 overall.  I can’t figure out exactly why.  At first I thought, “Hey, that’s pretty smart.  They think every team should draft one catcher and they’re ranking for 12 team leagues with one extra catcher in case someone drafts two.”  As they say, those that think ESPN is smart are dumb.  The thirteenth catcher is Welington who is marked as “Not Ranked” in their positional rankings, but ranked 300th overall, so I don’t think they even meant to rank 13.  So, maybe they just want everyone to draft only one catcher and went with twelve.  Okay, but they’re 12th ranked guy is Yadier Molina at 227 overall.  Aside from Molina being overrated and a sure bet for about seven homers and two steals — lowercase yay! — if ESPN wanted everyone to draft only one catcher, and essentially punt catcher, why not rank the last five or so catchers crazy late in the 200’s since, if you’re punting, you should grab Molina at around 280 overall, not 227?  Ya know, because in 12 team leagues, around 290 players are drafted.  Unless these ESPN ranks are for ten team leagues and Molina is ranked at the end of drafts at 227, but then why rank twelve of them and not ten?  I’m getting a migraine; I need to move.  Draft Rupp; he’s cheap power.

Tom Murphy (ESPN NR, Yahoo 301) If I were drafting in one hundred 12-team leagues, I’d draft Murphy one hundred times.  Ninety-nine times I’ll say, “Yay, I got Tom Murphy!” Then one time I’ll be like, “I got Tom from Myspace and he’s totally going in my top eight!”  If I wrote sleeper posts for catchers, Murphy would’ve got one.  What’s to like?  He has 20 homer power if he gets everyday at-bats.  Will he get everyday at-bats?  He has Tony Wolters in front of him and he hits like Barbara Walters.  And not like, “Barbara is a hard-hitting journo, yo,” but like Barbara in a batting cage.

Travis d’Arnaud (ESPN NR, Yahoo NR) Newsday reported d’Arnaud has been working on fixing his swing, looking at a ton of video with catcher instructor, Glenn Sherlock.  So far, the Mets haven’t learned much, nor can they figure out why Sherlock keeps making bizarre deductions and wants to talk to Tony Watson.  “Sherlock, when you’re done emptying your pipe, can we talk about d’Arnaud’s swing?”  So, d’Arnaud is obviously a gamble, but he will once again be the Mets catcher and supposedly has 20-homer power.

Andrew Susac (ESPN NR, Yahoo NR)  All of my hopes and dreams I’ve placed at Murphy’s doorstep will likely be wasted.  I will call that Murphy’s Law.  Did I just make that phrase up?  Yes?  Awesome!  I’m smart!  All of those hopes and dreams might be better off being laid at Susac’s feet, because he also has solid power, and a starting job.

Devin Mesoraco (ESPN NR, Yahoo 316)  There’s a tale told about Medusa that says she was made ugly after being raped by Poseidon.  With that in mind, I have no idea the reason behind Mesoraco’s face.  My Reds’ mythology textbook ends with, “Mesoraco’s face launched a thousand squints, because looking at him with open eyes was too much.”  Mesoraco is basically d’Arnaud without the easy-on-the-eyes looks.  He has power, but injuries have derailed him.

   
  1. Beware the Shit Rope says:
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    normally i don’t post classifieds in razzball comment sections as i’d rather not have my leaguemates having a guaranteed method of best info and possibly getting scooped to my own advice questions, but it’s getting late in the game and i need one more owner for:

    brand new dynasty 16 team roto in yahoo (free):
    there will be 7 man minor league protected list (and can be anybody, even those not in yahoo as long as under 130 at bats/50 innings, players must be signed by some MLB team prior to drafting them, so no otani’s till next year’s draft), the minor league list will be drafted first as soon as league fills up, 1 spot left. the regular active player draft will be march 31st at 8 PM eastern online.

    rosters: 1 each of all infield spots, 1 exact OF each (LF/CF/RF), 2 extra OF of any type, 1 each of CI/MI, 2 utils, 5 SP, 5 RP, 1 P, 3 BN, 5 DL, 2 NA. the minor players can be called up/sent down till any time till they hit their maximums.

    scoring (roto): runs, hits, HR’s, RBI, steals, total bases, OBP, slugging, OPS, steals %, wins, saves, holds, K’s, ERA, WHIP, K to BB, K per 9, QS, net saves. 162 games for hitting spots. 1750 max innings per year. drop email here i’ll get invite.

    • Beware the Shit Rope says:
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      @Beware the Shit Rope: ahhh, why is it so damn hard to fill this league, eck. i guess i don’t need to it’s a roto after all. this isn’t nearly as bad as trying to fill those razzball leagues (inverse stats win, not RCL’s of course)

      • Spyre says:
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        @Beware the Shit Rope:

        i saw your post yesterday…. if this was in espn i’d be all over it. good luck bro

  2. DMT says:
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    Which two would you keep from these four. (12-team 5×5 ob/slug replacing ba/hr), thanks!

    Travis-1
    Miller-5
    Braun-31
    Chapman-16

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @DMT: Aroldis, Braun

  3. Foul balls says:
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    Hey Grey, participated with a lot of heavy hitters in The Great Knoche’s Daniel Murphy porn league last night. After the first round you could tell everyone was deligently going over your top 500 list as a lot of picks were taken straight from your expert and knowledgeable advice. Once the draft was completed I had only one question to TG Knoche where do I pick up the championship trophy? Hahaha. Being told I would have to bring the beer the last place team always supplies it I checked out my team vs. the rest of the league. It was only after that a lump in my throat grew larger than dolly pardons funbags. Looks like I’m buying the beer. Just wanted to thank you for making me a better fantasy player in 2 others leagues where they don’t read your column. Thanks also to The Great Knoche for the invitation.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Foul balls: Ha, nice! Good luck, league hasn’t started yet, only losers are the ones who check out before the season starts…

  4. Andrew P Connolly says:
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    Hey Grey,

    Just finisher listening to the podcast, are three still openings in the nfbc, I’m a fan of the format?

    • Andrew Connolly says:
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      @Andrew P Connolly:

      I reached Rudy. no need to reply to this.

      • Andrew Connolly says:
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        @Grey:

        I did!

        I love NFBC

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Nice! Are you in my league? Rudy? JB?

  5. Wil says:
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    D’arnaud! So happy you listed him. If you didn’t I was going to here, and basicly say everything you did about his swing. The Mets anticipate him to have a big year after working on his mechanics. Who knos, I’ll draft him and find out…

    • kingforaday151 says:
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      @Wil: Drafting based on the thoughts and anticipations of the Mets organization…bold move

    • The Harrow says:
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      @Wil: i don’t think doing anything with his swing will yield even close to the results of say having a meeting with cruz’s HGH guy would do. d’arnaud has been the most injured of all catchers with an MLB job for like at least the last 5 years. oh mesoraco you say, yeah, more than that guy too.

    • Drunk Mets PR Team says:
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      @Wil: Don’t worry, be happy! He’s not a pitcher (reasonably sure)

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Wil: Yeah, may as well

  6. Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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    Hey Grey – thanks for this painful but necessary post! Yoaman’s work (yoan-man’s?).

    Anyway, just wanted to let you know that the trade where I receive his dirt cheap $15 Goldy for my $28 Betts and $3 Moncada went through! Thanks again for the lothario-level advice!

    Maybe a Halph question, but which outfield prospect would you target for 2017 impact…I’m between Tapia, Meadows, Bronson, and Bellinger. Leaning Meadows despite needing a Cutch trade or injury to someone

    • The Harrow says:
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      @Duda Want to Build a Snowman?: it’s probably bellinger,

      bonus points if you are doing “bronson” in the grey spirit of “mazouza”

      • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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        @Grey: haha there you go! thanks, that makes sense.

        It’s funny, in that league where I acquired the $15 Goldy we spoke about yesterday, a pretty notable contingent think that I got hoodwinked on it . . . just don’t see it at all, even where people rank Betts above Goldy and Goldy in the 5-7th range. Getting an equivalent player (Goldy) for half the price of Betts in exchange for a really nice lottery chip that could be Buxton 2.0 if the strikeout rate continues like it has been in spring . . . seems like a no brainer, in favor of Goldy. Oh well – that’s the Razzball bump in action, I guess!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          I don’t understand the discount on Goldy this year either… Has anyone seen him hit? He’s a 25-homer guy easy… Then through in 15-20 steals and a .315 average? Yeah, that’s not awful

          • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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            @Grey: Yeah me neither, very weird. He hit .250 for the first month last year, tripled his pop-up rate (gotta be flukey), hit “only” 24 HR instead of 30+, and had zero support in the lineup . . . but still finished with a .300 25/30 100/100 season . . . that was his DOWN year!

            Of course I’ll say this because I just acquired him . . . but, between the two, isn’t it easier to imagine a “down” year from Betts? Hitting in the middle of a stacked lineup could potentially mean that he steals fewer bases (but probably not) and that 30-homer power seems a bit high when half of his HRs last year were Just Enoughs. Oh well!

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              I know! Totes totes…. Yeah, Betts has many more warning signs… I think both will be good, but Betts looks more like a 25/20 or does Goldy?

              • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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                @Grey: Exactly. I think Betts settles into a .300 25/20 type + Goldy remains more of a .300 30-33/15-20 type. Honestly, if you pulled up their 2016 stats and removed the names, I would have guessed that Goldy put up Betts’ HR/SB numbers and vice versa.

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Exactly… I get Betts is much younger but just looking at their body types tells me Goldy is a 30/15 guy and Betts is a 25/20 guy

                  • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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                    @Grey: Yeah . . . either one of those guys could run into 20-25 SB . . . but only one has the potential to knock 40 dongs if everything clicks (hint: it’s the one who isn’t 5’9″ and 160 pounds).

                    Sort of similar note, but did you see the interesting piece about Altuve’s power breakout being believable and Mookie’s, less so?

                    • Grey

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                      Yeah, exactly… I didn’t see the piece, which one?

        • Cram It says:
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          @Duda Want to Build a Snowman?: I like how you explain post-trade why Goldy is the better side/no-brainer, yet you had to ask about which side was better before making the trade. Some of you guys are so neurotic and indecisive, it’s entertaining…in a schadenfreude way.

          • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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            @Cram It: Just like talking baseball! Also thought it was interesting that a lot of my league felt that the Betts side was the no-brainer side . . . indicative of the general lack of love in the broader fantasy community for Goldy compared to other first rounders.

            Still always read your messages in Kurt Russell’s voice!

          • Beware the Shit Rope says:
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            @Cram It: oh no it’s entertaining even from an empathy-base as well as a german torturing others kind of way.

    • The Harrow says:
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      @Duda Want to Build a Snowman?: i mean it’s probably bellinger if a long list of people aren’t hurt and/or mcclutchin’ his knee doesn’t get traded.

  7. Ellwood Blues says:
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    I’m trying to trade a 1st baseman in my NL Only 5×5 keeper league.. should I target Dahl or Swanson? Both are $5 players over the next 2 years.
    It’s 2 different teams. Which one should I try first?

    Back to catchers.. and despite your love for Murphy.. worth keeping Wolters for a buck as my second catcher? I am considering keeping Grandal for $12.

  8. bossmanjunior333 says:
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    In a shallow 10 team OBP league, would you target Grandal at pick 133 (rankings don’t account for OBP and Auction Calculator has him at 4th best OBP catcher) or still just wait on catcher as usual?

  9. Charles says:
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    If you draft Tom Murphy and he’s only playing ~2 times per week (behind Wolters), how long are you waiting? Would be tough to hold him in a h2h league, right?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Charles: About a week, maybe a few days… Depends on size of league

    • I got $100 for groceries, $1400 for liquor, and $6,000 for you to go bail a couple of shit puppets out of jail says:
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      @Charles: and this is probably like 70% gonna happen too, worst thing would be if it DOESN’T happen the first week, and he plays exactly 3-4 days the first week, does well, but his catching skills aren’t quite babba wolters territory and still gets nearly all the way benched by week 2 or 3, and many of us hold on too long, and/or start using a 2nd roster slot for a damn catcher (in non dynasties) and grey gets literally 6 minimum daily questions on what to do (oh yeah i’ll be doing this too, but hopefully not asking about it)

  10. Member Berries says:
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    Keeper League
    Looking for the better fantasy bat overall for the next 2-3 years – AJ Reed vs Michael Conforto?

  11. TBone says:
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    3 year keeper 6×6 league with OBP and SLG instead of AVG. Keep Contreras in the 15th or Grandal in the 20th?

  12. Josh Atwood says:
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    Any progress on the War Room… formatted through an excel file? I’m dependant on it.

    Thanks!

    • Robert says:
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      @Josh Atwood: If you click on the rankings, half way down the sheet after all the actual rankings in the war room in both web and “downloadable” form. The downloadable is the excel. I got it yesterday and it’s as glorious as you remember.

      If you can’t find it link below:

      http://razzball.com/2017-fantasy-baseball-war-room/

      • Josh Atwood says:
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        @Robert:

        It’s glorious!!! Thanks Robert!

  13. The Fridge says:
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    Big auction draft scheduled for Saturday so these Target posts are coming at the perfect time!

    Also – can anyone tell me an offline War Room file was completed?

    • Humm Baby says:
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      @The Fridge: Yes, someone made an excel war room file. You can find it under the rankings tab.

  14. David says:
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    In a 12 team 7×7 keeper league with OBP replacing avg and the other 2 categories being SLG and XBH, which one do I drop: Healy, Puig, Joseph, or Bird? Thanks

  15. Clive says:
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    10 team H2H keeper (OPS league)

    Currently keeping 2 SS in Correa (Rd 20) and Story (Rd 14). Would you trade Correa for Rd 18 Springer? Or just ride with Story in your Util spot?

    Thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Clive: Works for me

  16. Branta says:
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    I hopped into Ralph’s draft last night. Here’s the team:

    8 Anthony Rizzo, ChC 1B
    17 Rougned Odor, Tex 2B
    32 Ian Desmond, Col OF
    41 Giancarlo Stanton, Mia OF
    56 Anthony Rendon, Wsh 3B
    65 Carlos Carrasco, Cle SP
    80 Seung Hwan Oh, StL RP
    89 Kenta Maeda, LAD SP
    104 Justin Turner, LAD 3B
    113 Max Kepler, Min OF
    128 Rich Hill, LAD SP
    137 Marcus Semien, Oak SS
    152 Shawn Kelley, Wsh RP
    161 Yoan Moncada, CWS 3B
    176 Leonys Martin, Sea OF
    185 Tim Anderson, CWS SS
    200 Sam Dyson, Tex RP
    209 Hunter Pence, SF OF
    224 Matt Shoemaker, LAA SP
    233 Salvador Perez, KC C
    248 Neftali Feliz, Mil RP
    257 Joe Ross, Wsh SP
    272 Jorge De Leon, ChC RP
    281 Jose De Leon, TB SP
    296 Aaron Judge, NYY OF

    Fat fingered the wrong De Leon but thankfully nobody sniped me after.

    • Damon says:
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      @Branta:

      You have to do something with the De Leon name in your team name now…

      One… two… De… Leons

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Branta: Haha, the De Leon-and-on-and-on… Your hitting looks a little weak in average and speed… I like the pitching, you look a tad bit high on pitching though, not a bad team

    • LenFuego says:
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      @Branta: Kings of De Leon?

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        Nice!

  17. Roger Podacter says:
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    With the catchers in this system,
    ain’t no tellin, will I punt em’ will I miss em’, or buy what they’ve been sellin’,
    I’m gonna win I should, have no relation,
    Ya’ll be chasin’, I replace them, ha,
    Drunk off Brews if you’re feelin’ J.T.
    Can’t keep your hands off Yas-Man-I,
    Draft a catcher early and you will sing,
    You wish you never drafted at all,
    it get’s better, draft in a later round,
    It’s your time to draft now,
    Grey’s seven model picks, got you thinkin’ who is this?
    Pick 300 is there, catchers still everywhere,
    What do you say, me, you, and your Clint Courtney glasses,
    go somewhere private where we can discuss catchers,
    Piazza, Bench, Punch and Fisk,
    Or don’t draft any and just punt the dicks.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Roger Podacter: Awesome! Though, the last line I read as ‘or just punch dicks.’

      • Roger Podacter says:
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        @Grey: It’s open for interpretation! Your vesion has more punch…. and more dicks.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          And more dick punches!

      • Roger Podacter says:
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        @Grey: In my H2H 16 category league – (R)(HR)(RBI)(SB)(BB)(K)(E)(AVG)(IP)(W)(L)(SV)(HR)(K)(ERA)(WHIP)-

        Catchers just bring you down. You’re better off padding your IP WHIP ERA with more pitching or even carrying a bench bat with good position eligibility.

        • Grey

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          I know!

  18. henncoop says:
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    Yesterday I gave a long list of potential keepers & the draft pick they would cost me in this year’s draft. These are actually leftover keeper that the established teams did not want. I inadvertently left out a key guy…so I will give you the list you picked & kindly ask you where in the list he might fit. Sorry for the inconvenience …I had to figure out who the potential keepers were based by who was not on their keeper list & then look up the draft spots from last year …so I lost Donaldson in doing so
    You listed the following 6 in order yesterday
    JBJ (lose my 26th round pick this year & 24th next year etc)
    Benintendi (26)
    Franco (25)
    Darvish (9)
    Cole (19)
    Rendon(15)

    I currently just have S Marte as CF, RF for a 10th round pick. It is Yahoo so the OF is separated by position. Where on the list would Donaldson (21) fit??
    Thanks for your help

    • Grey

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      @henncoop: Donaldson’s up top, but might change with Maikel being extra 3B

  19. mcmi11ions says:
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    Had my first draft last night, 12 teams keep 10. I drafted one bat for each postion and went all pitching after.

    Sale (K)
    deGrom (K)
    Harvey (K)
    Pineda
    Walker
    Shoemaker
    Desclafani
    Conley (might swap out for Norris?)
    Giles
    Ramos
    Watson
    J.Johnson

    Personally, I was laying in bed whispering sweet nothings into the ear of my pitching staff last night. What do you think? Actually… on second thought, maybe you shouldn’t look at it. I wouldn’t want my staff to leave me for an upgrade. Then I would have to rebound with an ESPN ranked staff, then I end up with staph, and then next thing you know i’m wallowing in misery at the bottom of the standings. Man…things went downhill quick for me.

    • Grey

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      @mcmi11ions: HA… I like Conley, can hold at this point… Love the Ks and lack of walks with the staff, pretty sexy if Harvey, Sale, de Grom and Pineda don’t defecate the bed

  20. Plesh says:
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    Hi Grey, keeper question…for my last keeper that must be a pitcher…it’s a keep forever league, 12 team head to head, 6×6 including quality starts. Danny Duffy or Taillon? Rankings say Duffy but would the fact that it’s a keeper sway you to Taillon?

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    In a 10 team league I have Wilson Ramos who I will be placing on DL as soon as hes goes on.

    stats R 2B 3B HR RBI SB BB AVG

    available Catcher on the wire:

    Gattis
    Castillo
    Murphy
    D’arnaud
    Mesoraco
    Molina
    Wieters

    • Grey

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      @jon: Try Murphy for now

  22. Gonzo_The_Great says:
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    Funny part about Realmuto is he was one of these guys last year. I remember nabbing him in the last round and people in my league asking “Who the heck is JT Realmuto?” Long way of saying, couldn’t agree more about punting catcher. So long as the guy you get is average, you’re fine.

  23. malamoney says:
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    Love the Fisher/Adams comparison. Brilliant!!!

      • Eli Man Penguin Boy says:
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        @Grey: so she’s NOT ron howard’s daughter, i thought that was a joke but also real from the newest AD season. and when did adams jump from the “hot girl” in season 1 (one episode, booze cruise) The Office (u.s version) to being in like every movie ever?

        • Grey

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          Ha, good question

  24. RD says:
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    Great read Grey and the podcast was funny as hell.

    I am in a 12 team OBP league with quality starts with 8 forever keepers.
    This is my final pick for keeper:
    Trout
    Altuve
    Donaldson
    Cruz
    Freeman
    Polanco
    Arrietta
    deGrom
    McCutchen

    Every major Shortstop will be kept so I’m SOL.
    my thought is to keep all the bats and drop deGrom with the arm issues.
    Arrietta is not as good but all top starter are being kept.
    What do you think?
    Thanks for everything!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @RD: Thanks! Lose McCutchen

  25. The great Knoche says:
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    Just got slow draft email

    Monday July 31 11PM Central time?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Huh?

      • The great Knoche says:
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        @Grey: I just thought I only got to use two months worth of stats

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          So confused, maybe cause I didn’t get any email about July

          • The great Knoche says:
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            @Grey: never mind. Looks like I got Rudy so you lucked out again this year.

            Here’s to hoping there’s no Maquis De Slow.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              HA, good luck!

    • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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      @The great Knoche: It will change, I had the same and by the time I e-mailed them they had changed it.

  26. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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    Bring it Albright!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Oh, it’s been broughten! Wait, what am I bringing?

      • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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        @Grey: Bring the ruckus! I’m in NFBC with you. New format for me, so I ought to be awful.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Don’t undersell yourself in the preseason! Wait until you win and I can undersell your win by saying beginner’s luck… Which team are you?

          • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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            @Grey: Just changed to Fuzzy Dunlop. Crazy not having any waivers, but I like it.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              It’s fun to draft for almost a month straight then so little maintenance b/c there’s no waivers… It’s bi-weekly hitting changes and weekly pitching

              • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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                @Grey: Oh I’ve already been slow drafting for what seems like years, ha. Drafting is always the best part of whatever fantasy sport you’re playing anyway.

                • Grey

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                  Exactly, and you then take that on so you do it for a full month… It’ll be fun… First words of wisdom, draft a shizzton of SPs

                  • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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                    @Grey: I remember reading the comments in years past and you guys talking about that. Moves them up in the rankings too right?

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Meh, I don’t move pitchers that high up, just draft a bit more aggressively…It is nice to get a top 15 SP vs. RCLs where you can get by with a top 25 guy and be fine prolly

                    • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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                      So you’re saying draft Kershaw #1?! Got it. Followed by 4 catchers, then Rio Ruiz. Can’t lose!

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Rio Ruiz is a top 5 pick, good luck getting him

                    • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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                      Dangnabit

  27. Herschel says:
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    @Grey: 12 team mixed roto. With keepers/start of draft, I am likely starting out my team with a core of rizzo, odor, story and arenado. Which OF should I grab as my first outfielder – Marte, Desmond, Stanton or JD?

    Thanks and happy women’s day to the 5 girl readers.

  28. IV says:
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    For the NFBC leagues that were set up through Razzball it says “(4 hours)” in the league title, so I assume it is up to 4 hours per pick? If so, is the draft continuous over 24 hours or is there a stop time at night? Either way, draft queue management seems like it will be very important.

    I apologize for the dumb questions, but it is my first time doing a league like this and I want to make sure I understand the rules.

    I appreciate you and Rudy for setting these up!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Usually it’s 8 hours per pick, but it looks like we’re in 4-hour leagues b/c it’s so late in the season and we need to be done by April 2nd… I believe it is a 24-hour clock, so you need to queue, but I’m not 100% sure, Rudy might know

      • it’s not a 24 clock. I believe it shuts off at night for 8 hours. I think 11PM EST to 8AM EST.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Ah, okay… Thanks, Rudy!

          • IV says:
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            @Grey: Thanks Rudy and Grey! Good luck to you both, although I am with you Grey so I will probably need the luck.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Good luck to you! Draft a lot of SPs!

              • IV says:
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                @Grey: Thanks, will definitely keep that in mind.

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  No problem!

              • JeF WiTh 1 F says:
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                @Grey: Ha Ha

  29. Oppo Taco says:
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    Which trade do you prefer more in a 8 player keeper. All players listed would be kept. 5×5 roto. Thanks!

    A) McCutchen/Cole for Abreu/Odor
    B) Cole for Stanton (I would be keeping McCutchen here)

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Odor

  30. Coors Canaveral says:
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    12-team, 5 X5 with OPS instead of AVG and QS instead of W’s.

    Which keeper group would you rather have?

    A) Trout, Arenado, Aledmys, Darvish and Renfroe

    B) Arenado, Rizzo, Cespedes, Darvish and Renfroe

    Thanks in advance.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      B

  31. Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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    Which side do you like?

    $15 Goldy + $10 JD Mart -OR- $18 Trout?

    Thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Goldy

      • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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        @Grey: Thanks!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          No problem!

  32. JoeyBell says:
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    Hi Grey (and commenters)! Keep forever league question to help me look at some trades (if you don’t mind!). We keep 5, and here’s who I have:

    Votto
    Villar
    Story
    Cespedes
    Polanco

    I have the chance to basically trade Story and any other player for Springer/JD Martinez. I think I like Story better than Springer as a keeper, but I’m debating whether JD over one of the other guys makes up the gap.

    What do you think?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Springer/JD side

      • JoeyBell says:
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        @Grey: Who would you feel best about giving up for JD? Votto, Villar, Cespedes, or Polanco?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Polanco

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks!

    • Cram It says:
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      @Duda Want to Build a Snowman?: I had no idea Altuve was even the consensus #3 pick. That’s still crazy to me. I wonder how many of Betts’ lazers off the top of the Green Monster would be HR’s in any other ballpark.

      • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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        @Cram It: Completely agreed – Altuve’s a hammy tweak away from losing most of what makes him a first rounder. Betts just seems like a much more well-rounded package.

  33. SephStef says:
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    Hey Grey, what about AL Only Leagues? Besides Castillo?

  34. KCC26 says:
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    12 team mixed H2H, 6 x 6 (OPS as a category)

    just curious, which of these 6 would you keep?

    Goldschmidt ($34)
    Votto ($28)
    Kluber ($20)
    Bryant ($20)
    Darvish ($16)
    deGrom ($12)
    Carpenter ($12)
    Dahl ($4)
    Benintendi ($2)

    Thanks so much!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Goldschmidt ($34)
      Dahl
      Bryant ($20)
      Darvish ($16)
      deGrom ($12)
      Benintendi

      • KCC26 says:
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        @Grey: Thanks! Started to second-guess keeping Dahl with injury, platoon concerns, questionable plate discipline. But I think the value is impossible to ignore and he could be someone I keep for a while!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          No problem!

  35. Ante GALIC says:
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    Grey!

    Nice catcher story, better than Catcher in the Rye!

    a. Sorry for my tardiness. I remember what happened last time I didn’t show up! What pressure! Was busy celebrating International Women’s Day, got all dusty and sweaty (not a good combo) and then had to use wet naps to wipe up because there was no water at my 5-star guest house in Farchana, USA! Sad emoji.

    b. Lots of sketches took place today. Most were goofy like women barking out the orders to men and men making lunch and cleaning up around the house (well actually it’s a hut).

    c. A second sketch enacted a simulation of the rebels attacking a Sudanese village in Darfur. It was so real that a lot of the children watching the enactment fled in all directions just like their parents had fled the real event 14 years ago! Great now they’re going to be traumatized for life and top of everything their parents have told them about their flight!

    d. I like a lot of these catchers! So you’re saying we can Reggie Robie the catcher category, right?

    e. What else is happening in the Wide World of Sports?

    Cheers,
    Ante

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks, Ante! A. TMI! B. Hahaha C. Sounds like a great time! D. Yup! E. Gonzaga is #1

      • Ante GALIC says:
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        @Grey: Grey!

        a. Thanks for the info on Gonzaga! Have to do my bracketology!

        b. On women barking out the orders, in my speech I told everyone (was looking at the men) to imagine that every day is women’s day in that they should respect women every day and not just once a year. That didn’t go over very well with the men folk!

        c. The theme of International Women’s Day this year is ‘Protection of women’s and girls’ rights as a challenge to sustainable development’. So, I was thinking of mentioning that Denmark is one of the most developed countries in the world, has a female population of about 51% and yet something like 53% of the jobs in government administration in Denmark is occupied by women. But then I thought, uh-oh! Denmark was the country of origin of that cartoon of the prophet Mohamed that sparked all that uproar about 8 or 9 years ago, so better not use Denmark in this context as a bench mark. And then it hit me like a ton of bricks…..

        d. Blanket statement, but supposing female involvement in all aspects of government administration is a good thing for sustainable development. Now suppose people in poor Muslim-dominant countries know this but choose to ignore it to keep the economy down. It’s puzzling but not the only bench mark for sustainable development, obviously. Some 12,000 hectares of land are lost every day (!!) due to poor management of the land and desertification (2 main causes). The two main areas where this is happening is (Surprise, surprise!) – Africa and the Middle East. If this trend continues, the whole world will be in trouble. Well, maybe mostly Europe will with the steady flow of migrants. The poor management could be fixed because it’s human error that’s the cause.

        Cheers,
        Ante

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          A. You should do JB’s March Madness contest… B. HA, ouch C. Oh man, this is going bad, isn’t it? D. Human error is prolly most likely problem with everything

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      E. JB told me that

  36. Cohen says:
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    Grey, 12 team roto, know its just a mock but tell me what u think?
    C-Murphy
    1b-Hanley
    2b-Trea
    Ss-Miller
    3b-J.Turner
    C/i-Santana
    2b/ss-Odor
    Of-Harper
    Of-Springer
    Of-Bradley
    Of-Kepler
    Of-Inciarte
    Util-Siemen
    Sp-Yu
    Sp-Duffy
    Sp-McCullers
    Rp-Herrera
    Rp-Robertson
    Rp-Watson
    Rp-Ottavino
    Rp-Neris
    Rp-Kelley
    Bn-Madsen
    Bn-N.Jones
    Bn-Parra

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Looks great, would be happy with this team as a real team… You do look light on starters and heavy on relievers

  37. hothot says:
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    With Gibbons implying a potential DL stint for him, Devon Travis still a Hold in 12-team leagues with DL slots?

    12-team 5×5; heavy on steals, light on AVG/Power:
    A) Drop Leonys Martin for Parra or
    B) Hold

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Hold for now

      • hothot says:
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        @Grey: thanks man, I get itchy with injuries preseason

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          No problem!

  38. Dom says:
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    Would you do this trade?
    I get Villar and Votto
    I give Correa

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Nope

  39. JB says:
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    Grey –

    What do you think is going to happen with the Conforto/Bruce/Duda drama? Is Conforto really going to be sent to Triple-A?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      If I had to guess, I’d say Conforto is minor league bound, but looking better for him

  40. Colonel Angus says:
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    Would you trade your Thor for Miggy in a keeper league?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yes

  41. Oppo Taco says:
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    Better keeper (same cost) 5×5 roto Stanton or Abreu. close? Thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Stanton

  42. Clogged Rosterman says:
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    So, umm, will no-pitch intentional walks be included in WHIP?

    Also, will it ever not make me angry?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Prolly not

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      That’s prolly not for *not* making me angry

  43. JoFer's Boat Tours says:
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    Hey Grey,
    My keepers lock tonight in my 14 team league (Hitting is standard less AVG plus OBP & SLG, Pitching is standard less Ws plus QS & IP) – Keep 6 (at least one pitcher). I plan on keeping Trout, Harper, and Miggy. Who would you keep with the other 3 spots?

    Trout
    Harper
    Miggy

    Franco
    Longoria
    Piscotty
    LeMehieu
    Yu
    Kluber
    Archer
    Carlos Martinez

    Thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yu, Kluber, C-Mart

  44. herschel says:
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    @Grey: in the past, there has been a tiered rankings chart/page. I havent seen anything like that this year so assuming theres not one? just checking.

    PS you didnt happen to be at the Dr Octagon show last night were you? It was pretty sick…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Nah, I didn’t go to a show, JB was here… Someone else, I think Vin, did the tiers in years past, not sure if he’s doing it this year

      • VinWins

        VinWins says:
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        @Grey: Sorry, I quit doing the tiers when you liked someone else’s version better and hurt my feelings. Also, been missing some people and feeling blue, so probably will not be involved at all. Obviously, I should throw myself into fantasy baseball and quit feeling sorry for myself, but, that seems unlikely to occur.

        Don’t know if these have been mentioned here previously, but a couple of shows worth watching are “Berlin Station” and Hugh Lowry’s “Chance.”

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Aw, Vin, I love you! I don’t even remember who did the other tiers, only remember yours… I have a show for you too! Watch Line of Duty if you have Hulu, it’s awesome

          • VinWins

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            @Grey: Thanks! I have watched Line of Duty and agree, very good.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              You watch his other show, Silk? Also solid, if a small step down

              • VinWins

                VinWins says:
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                @Grey: Not sure who you are referring to, but I remember watching 1 season of Silk; don’t think I ever got back to it.

    • LenFuego says:
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      @herschel: The War Room downloadable spreadsheet has a sheet that has the tiers separated very nicely.

  45. Make Richie Sexson Again says:
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    Keeper question where you can keep mo’fos forevas. My league is expanding by 2 owners who get to draft 6 of all of the players that are not kept by other owners…so I feel like the guys I’m letting go are going to make one the expansion teams good. I am releasing Buster Posey, Flash Gordon, Maikel Franco, Jose Bautista, Gregory Polanco, Gary Sanchez, Danny Salazar & Aroldis Chapman. Should I keep any of these potential champions on another team in place of Yu Darvish, Jose Abreu, Trea Turner, Xander Bogaerts, Jonathan Villar or Corey Seager? This is a head to head league.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Don’t see a path forward for the guys you’re letting go… Nice username!

      • Make Richie Sexson Again says:
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        @Grey: thanks and thanks. Hopefully Abreu doesn’t suck, Bogearts isn’t boring and Villar doesn’t go back to the minors.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Haha, hopefully!

  46. sand says:
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    In a 12-team mixed auction, 3 OF league, would you be okay waiting on your entire outfield and having something like: JBJ, Joc, Ozuna, then going with a couple high upside or old/cheap guys like Broxton and Holliday for depth?

    I like a lot of the top OF, but the lack of depth at 1b and 2b to a lesser extent has me feeling like I need to go big there and wait for OF. Thoughts?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Don’t love it, would like at least one top OF

  47. Big W says:
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    Hey Grey,

    Was checking out your rankings just now, because I was curious where you had Ketel Marte…

    Is he not ranked this season or did I miss him somewhere?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I didn’t rank him, he’s ticketed for the minors

  48. WoodDog says:
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    I’m in a 12-team keeper league, roto with OBP. We keep 7-10 guys; I kept 7: Trout, Cabrera, Odor, Lindor, Jones,A., Dahl, Kluber… my biggest need I think is a 3B, and the available guys are: Frazier, Turner, Lamb, Sano. So my question: do I target a “safe tier” 3B (Turner, Frazier) with my first pick, or target some of the tempting SP’s (Duffy, Maeda) and grab a sugar packet 3B like Lamb or Sano a few rounds later? I only have about 20 days to figure out my first pick, so I obviously need to start stressing over this now.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha, prolly 3B

    • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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      @The great knoche: Tyler Anderson’s parents invited him to Thanksgiving because he had no where else to go.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Haha, awesome

  49. JErome says:
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    20 team draft Final round. Non keeper- I need one long shot. Lourdes gurriel, Greg Allen or tapia (Col)? Thanks Grey!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Tapia

  50. Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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    Last Goldy Q for you!

    $15 Goldy or $18 Harper? (standard roto keeper)

    Harper leapfrogs Goldy in [email protected]’s keeper rankings, but I wonder if it’s still Goldy here…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Harper

      • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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        @Grey: Cool, thanks! Glad to hear you have no reservations about buying into him going forward. Planning to go fishing with Goldy to see out offers of Goldy for Arenado ($9) and same for Harper ($18). The guy who owns him also owns Trout at the same price, so maybe I can convince him to part with Harp.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          No problem!

  51. Steve Stevenson says:
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    10 tm NL only (2C, CI/MI, 5OF), I’m the expansion team and have some draft decisions to make. $320 salary cap, can keep as long as you want for $5 more/yr. Who do I grab from the following teams, knowing they can protect 2 more players once I snag someone?

    Team A – Giancarlo 41, Roark 6, Kang 1
    Team B – Lester 27, Strasburg 27, Grandal 10
    Team C – Freeman 29, Rendon 15, Broxton 1, B. Hamilton 21, Nola 5

    Team so far is Joseph 2, J. Gray 2, Maeda 14, Blackmon 37. The top went for d $30-50 last yea

    • Steve Stevenson says:
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      @Steve Stevenson: Last sentence was supposed to read, top 20 players went for $30-50 last year.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Giancarlo, Strasburg, Freeman

  52. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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    One question, probably for Rudy, but I can’t find where I’m supposed to pay on NFBC. Not that I’m complaining, but what the shit?

    • The great Knoche says:
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      @Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: team settings. Edit profile I think. Input card number and password, and voila.

      • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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        @The great Knoche: Damn. Thanks. I should have just left it as that guy who e-mailed us.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      You wanna pay?

      • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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        @Rudy Gamble: That’s what I thought but there’s nothing there to click, just says I owe. I want to make sure I don’t get the boot if the draft starts and I haven’t paid yet.

        • NFBC should be contacting you on it.

          • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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            @Rudy Gamble: Thanks for the help. Sounds like Knoche above might be doing the same as me. I did what he said and added my info, maybe they’ll just take it out eventually.

  53. Snowflake warrior says:
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    20 team redraft final round– Greg Allen, Lourdes Gurriel or Tapia (col). Thanks Grey

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Tapia

  54. leon says:
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    What are your thoughts on drafting urias in the 6th rd in a 18 man keeper league. No sp yet on my team.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      No idea who’s available, sounds early

  55. WDH says:
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    Is drafting Gary Sanchez in the 5th round too high?

    Most drafts I’m able to get Goldy, Correa, Springer, Odor first four picks. Or Goldy, Correa, Ordor, Desmond. With my Fifth pick I’m usually grabbing Giancarlo or Villar and then Rendon in the 6th. Would you take Sanchez in the 5th or pass? Thank you!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yes, too high

      • WDH says:
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        @Grey: Thank you Grey, he’s usually gone in the sixth so I was wondering if I should jump on him a round early!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          No problem

  56. rick says:
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    $260 auction, roto, 14 team 6×6 ops…

    Which keeper?
    $39 Donaldson
    or
    $6 Trumbo

    Thinking donalds is solid but may save more $ on trumbo and its ops league

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Trumbo

  57. Fausto

    FaustoCarmona says:
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    Excellent work so far this offseason Mr Albright!! (cause im nasty)…Keeper questions abound.

    16tm Roto where closers go for $20-ish i need to keep 4 of these fellas $260 budget at auction.
    -Bats/Legs-
    [email protected]$25
    [email protected]$12
    [email protected]$3
    M. [email protected]$8
    Jose [email protected]$3

    -Arms-
    Kyle Hendricks @$8
    K [email protected]$4
    S [email protected]$4
    Wade Davis @$9

    Which of those 4 are you hanging on to? as always many thanks in advance and best of luck this season!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks! Rizzo, Springer, Villar, Maikel

  58. Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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    Any of these guys beat a $5 Broxton as your final (7th) keeper where all other keepers are established guys?

    $9 Danny Duffy
    $7 Buxton
    $24 Polanco
    $21 B-Ham
    $17 Kinsler

    Thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Meh, six of one, half dozen of another… Polanco

      • Duda Want to Build a Snowman? says:
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        @Grey: as my friend says, “tomato potato”.

        I definitely plan to target Polanco, and budgeted about 20-25 for him (keeper league gives him a bump if he breaks out I think), so maybe that’s good security for ensuring bidding doesn’t go wild (Upton went for $36 last year, so you never know).

        Plus Brox even with the hype will be less than $10 easily.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yeah, likely

  59. swaggerjackers says:
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    Yo Grey!

    In a 10 team roto league (standard categories) where you can keep up to 7, do you see 7 worthy options?

    Bryant
    JD Mart
    Lindor
    Myers
    C Mart
    Schwarber
    Santana
    Britton
    Russell
    Franco
    Sano

    Gotta love this time of year when you’re a fantasy baseball nut.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Bryant
      JD Mart
      Lindor
      Myers
      C Mart
      Schwarber
      Britton

      • swaggerjackers says:
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        @Grey: That’s what I was thinking as well. As a Razz-reader, I wasn’t planning on targeting Britton or Schwarber but seems to make sense in the context of this team.

        I guess the real question is whether I should toss Britton back and take the supplemental pick at the beginning. Still lock up the closer?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Take the $12 Salad

  60. Steve Stevenson says:
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    NL only keeper, 5OF, $5/yr inflation–$1 K. Broxton or $21 B. Hamilton? Current OF has Blackmon and Giancarlo, have $168 left for 16 roster spots.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Broxton

  61. steve says:
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    Trade question:

    I give Zobrist and get either Teheran or Manaea.

    Do I do it/which one do I take?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Teheran

      • steve says:
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        @Grey: thanks!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          No problem!

      • steve says:
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        @Grey: also, it’s a keeper league. does that change who to target?

  62. endershadow says:
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    12 team dynasty

    If I’m not really competing this year, would you deal Verlander and Greinke for Archer?

    And let Survivor season begin!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Survivor! I wouldn’t do that deal

  63. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
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    I’m currently at intermission of the Travis Wall dance performance thing, ha. Noisewater is one cultured mofo.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Damn, you’re cultured like yogurt!

  64. Cohen says:
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    Grey,standard 12 team roto, how many starting pitchers are u drafting?

  65. Grey dizzle for shizzle-

    What’s up man, it’s Trophy Tony…. this is what happens when you have two kids my man, you post about once a year…. From 20 posts a day to once a year, It happens! Oh and my artwork has changed….. the kids have influenced a new series of work I call “Problems at Bath Time”. It’s pretty wild if you are bored…. newest stuff is on my site! http://www.TonyJYoung.com

    OK on to fantasy baseball……I’ve got a keeper dilemma….. i’ll throw ya my options and see what Grey would do! It’s a 10×10 yahoo H2H league, hitters usually favored since we have cats like singles, doubles, triples, and all the other usuals, only real neg is K’s…..

    Here’s what I gots, I can keep them at the round listed!

    Villar 15th round
    Segura 11th round
    Will Meyers 16th round
    Orlando Arcia 24th round
    Adam Duvall 15th round
    JA Happ 13th round
    OSUNA 10th round
    Dyson 1th round

    That’s about it! I went for it last year and dealt story for a good haul…. i mean do i need any more SS keeps!? I really have NO SP keeps, which whatever…. I have the #1 pick. I’ll go TROUT then an SP when it comes back maybe…. Tweak that stache and hit me up with your best Grey. I appreciate it man…. Love that I see you guys in all the big industry drafts and given the recognition you deserve!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Tony! Good to hear from you! It’s rubber ducky art, awesome! How many can you keep? All of them? Villar, Segura, Myers, Arcia, Duvall, Osuna would be mine

  66. Pete says:
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    12 team 5×5 $280 budget for the draft

    Can keep:
    R.Hill – $7
    Osuna – $9
    Piscotty – $14
    Freeman – $24

    Which 3?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Not Osuna

      • Pete says:
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        @Grey: Really? I thought that was my best value.

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