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It’s more like you’re a schmohawk if you draft Buster Posey in the 2nd round.  Let’s just look at his MVP season.  Hmm, it might take me a while to get through 300 hours of video to look at his MVP season.  Plus, you give this to me on VHS?!  Grey’s Intern, “Sorry, Mr. Albright, MLB is a bit behind with their technology.  I assumed you didn’t want grainy black and white film with Mel Allen voice over.”  Put an ad on Craigslist for a new intern!  GI, “Aw, shucks.”  All right, due to a slight setback we’re gonna have to look at Posey’s season through the online prism of stats.  His MVP year was 78/24/103/.336/1.  To compare and contrast:  he had the 66th most runs, one behind Michael Young and Andre Ethier.  Yay.  Yay, “Don’t overuse me for your sarcastic amusement.  I have feelings.”  Sorry, Yay.  His 24 homers was tied for 45th best.  Same as Napoli, Plouffe and Swisher.  Super.  Super, “I feel the same as Yay.”  His RBIs were 15th overall.  That’s one off of Pence’s pace.  Whoopie doo.  Whoopie Doo, “I don’t mind the sarcasm.”  Posey’s steals were tied for 881st with Jake Westbrook, Prince Fielder and Xavier Nady, who I believe retired in 2009.  A notoriously quick group, to be sure.  Now, in case you skimmed the first ten sentences of nonsense.  This was Posey’s MVP season.  So, he’s going to get better this year?  Is he going to win the G.O.A.T MVP and get knighted?  Is the new number one name for boys in America going to be Posey?  That’ll confused some doctors in the maternity ward.  New Dad, “Look at that Posey!”  Doctor, “Now’s not the time for that, sir.”  So what can we expect from Buster Posey for 2013 and what makes him overrated?

I think there’s a fair chance Posey doesn’t do as well in 2013.  But…Again, with emphasis…BUT if he does do as well, he’s still not worth a 2nd round draft pick.  According to our Fantasy Baseball Player Rater, last year Posey was as valuable as Cueto, Fernando Rodney and Billy Butler.  He was 27th overall.  Not bad, not really 2nd round material — and that was after his best year.  He doesn’t have sneaky speed.  He’ll be lucky to get three steals.  He doesn’t have huge power.  25 homers would be a great year from him.  He’s in a lineup and home park that isn’t going to do his counting stats any favors.  His one legitimate plus is average.  You know, the stat that is extremely fickle and could easily drop to .315 without much more than ten hits turning into solid defensive plays.   Right now in the top 20 catchers for 2013 fantasy baseball, I have his 2013 projections down as 74/25/97/.309/1.  That’s being extremely fair.  Those are not 2nd round numbers.  Those are near 4th round numbers and 3rd round when you consider he’s a catcher.  I have him at 30 overall in my top 400 for 2013 fantasy baseball.  I would’ve put him 45th overall if I thought there was any way I’d have a shot at him at 30th overall.  Then I would’ve put him 60th overall if I thought I had a chance of getting him 45th overall.  Then… Well, you get the point.  Stupid OCD!  Oh, friends and countrymen and four country-women, I didn’t even mention he plays a grueling position that could lead to nagging injuries, and last year was the first time he stayed healthy for a whole year in the majors.  ESPN has him ranked 16th overall.  That’s with them telling you he ranked 27th overall last year and this year they’re giving him projections that are less than last year.  My brain just spun around in my head.  ?dnim gnikcuf rieht fo tuo yeht erA  Okay, my brain has spun back around, but it’s best I don’t translate what my backwards brain said.  I haven’t even mentioned you should be punting catchers.  So, this is your 2nd round pick?  How about you draft Chris Sale in the 3rd round and start building a Flux Capacitor?  Or maybe you commission Julian Assange to hack your league page and WikiLeak-up your stats?  It’s about the only chance you have.

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  1. Steve says:
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    Woah. The Posey fans are going to be all over you like Beliebers on Patrick Carney.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Steve: Whoa, what?

      • Steve says:
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        @Grey: Twitter fight. Google ‘Bieber Carney Grammys’

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Wow, that’s ridiculous…

  2. Beardcrabs says:
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    2nd round? some Schmoes are drafting him in the 1st…

    • Brian says:
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      @Beardcrabs: or people with differing opinions.

      • Jay29 says:
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        @Brian: Or people in deep, 2-catcher leagues. IMO Posey has Top 15-20 value if 24+ catchers need to be rostered. If only 12 are rostered? He’s 35-40, to me.

        • Beardcrabs says:
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          @Jay29: if it’s a deep 2 catcher league, it’s also a 5 OF league… so I would rather draft an OF than a C…

      • Beardcrabs says:
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        @Brian: people with differing opinions= Shmoes…

  3. bossmanjunior says:
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    Every idiot that drafts Posey or a pitcher in the first couple of rounds is just leaving better outfielders and corner men on the board for the rest of us. I love it.

    • Brian says:
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      @bossmanjunior: maybe they think that every “idiot” that passes on Posey leaves him there for someone else.

  4. John Kruk says:
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    FYI, Oscar Taveras was added to the yahoo player pool yesterday. Exciting times. Isht just got real.

  5. Sherm says:
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    Everything you write is correct. However, Posey is the #1 pick in the little known 11th category of fantasy baseball, leadership and heart, abbreviated LDH. Last year in LDH, Posey was far and away the category leader, and if you draft him, he is likely to win you that category by himself. If LDH were steals, Posey would be Rickey Henderson. If LDH were homers, he’d be Barry… well, you get the idea.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Sherm: Well, maybe not everything… Okay, everything!

    • Jack Full of Hate says:
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      @Sherm: That sounds like a creepy crush you got going there ala grey with giancarlo

      • OaktownSteve says:
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        @Jack Full of Hate:

        Pretty sure that was meant ironically.

        • Jack Full of Hate says:
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          @OaktownSteve: I think ironically would be that Posey is such a great guy on a team full of douchebags, which is actually true.

  6. Davy says:
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    Wow! Lots of Posey hate. I plan( Ned) on making Posey one of my 5 keepers to go along with Trout, Cargo, J Upton and Longoria. Would anyone here keep Madbum over Posey? Seems crazy to me, but . . .

    • Brian says:
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      @Davy: it really depends on your league format. I’ll offer my two cents before the razzballians jump down your throat to follow the article: Advice on here is built for redraft 14 hitter leagues with high/no ip limit. In that type of league I may not keep him, but a shallow league I would. It depends on how easily I could replace the other players. If its a standard yahoo 9 hitter 1250 innings max then I’d definetly hold him…

    • Allan Brownridge says:
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      You keep Posey over Madbum – but it wouldn’t be a bad idea to try and trade him early in the season….

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Davy: Sure, you could keep him there… You’re not telling us a whole lot of info about the league though…

      • Davy says:
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        @Grey: @Grey: 11 team points-based league. 5 keepers standard scoring but walks are negative points for pitchers and strikeouts are negative points for batters. Posey finished the 21st batter in our league with 645 pts; Bumgarner was the 13th ranked pitcher ( counting starters and relievers) with 685 pts.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          @Davy: In your league, you go with Bum then…

  7. 2 Cups 1 Braun says:
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    Grey : Have you seen Trout this year? Something not right is going on in Troutland and his butt cheeks. He had a presser next to Hamilton and Pujols the other day and looks like he is about 30lbs heavier(muscle maybe fat) then the both of them. Guess whatever supplement he is taking is working although I’d expect his steals to decrease with how big he is right now.

    • phoulo says:
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      @2 Cups 1 Braun: I noticed that too. I suspect a year of hammy or quad issues are in the works

    • SwaggerJackers says:
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      @2 Cups 1 Braun: He did look fat in the face during an interview when he was talking about Hamilton recently.

    • Jack Full of Hate says:
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      @2 Cups 1 Braun: we posted this up last week, in another local article he says he will lose 10-15 lbs through spring training. so no worries.

      • prezii says:
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        Matt adams? Wait.. trout!?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Ha… Yeah, man got chubby…

          • prezii says:
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            @Grey: i heard he added weight but damn… I know the reason twinkies arent being manufactured anymore..

            • Jack Full of Hate says:
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              @prezii: he’s on the Billy Butler Be a Better Batter Buffet eating plan

              • prezii says:
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                @Jack Full of Hate: ha! But BB couldnt steal bag if there was a hot dog on top of it… Trout still gonna swipe 40?

                • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                  @prezii: oh i know that, I just like all the scrutiny over Trout when he obviously has mad wheels regardless of his size. And like i said above he knows he will be losing weight during spring. He is like a football player.

                  Also glad we are in RCL together again.

                  • prezii says:
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                    @Jack Full of Hate: hes a smart kid… And i seen that ;) hopefully i wont be terrible like in football.. haha

                    • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                      @prezii: I made sure my team name reflected the league name

                    • prezii says:
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                      Thats how i knew it was you! Haha and yeah,i guess others didnt get that memo.. oh well.. they are outcasts and were not!

  8. The Fridge says:
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    Agree with all thoughts above. What about his auction value in a 2 Catcher OBP league. Catcher is deep this year but is he worth keeping for $20?

    Other options to keep are Rizzo -11, Altuve-9, and Jennings-14.

    Thanks Grey!

  9. Mickey Kinney says:
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    !yerg tsop taerg

  10. TheNewGuy says:
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    Ha thats one way to get away with swearing on here ,

    Totally agree though, its Joe Mauer (after his one great year) all over again.

  11. Peter says:
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    What C do you see having more real value, as opposed to percived value, than Posey (in a $260, mixed auction)?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Peter: I’d take a $1 flyer on Avila…

  12. AtlantaCrackers says:
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    I have a similar keeper conundrum – 10-team NL only league, 5 x 5 stats (OPS instead of AVG), $260 draft budget – we can keep 2 players, I am keeping Stanton and am trying to choose between Posey @ $17 and Wainwright @ $11. My sense is that Posey will go for $28 – $30 and Wainwright for $20-$22; does that sound about right?

  13. Mr.Gray: Just to let you know I’m not totally imbalanced with the top few picks.. Then Miyagi method is temporarily tempered

    Here goes a front end of draft selection

    ** (1) Team Moore – Miguel Cabrera 3B
    ** (24) Team Moore – David Price SP
    ** (25) Team Moore – Jose Reyes SS
    ** (48) Team Moore – Yoenis Cespedes LF
    ** (49) Team Moore – B.J. Upton CF
    ** (72) Team Moore – Mat Latos SP
    ** (73) Team Moore – Aroldis Chapman RP
    ** (96) Team Moore – Freddie Freeman 1B
    ** (97) Team Moore – Anibal Sanchez SP
    (** (120) Team Moore – Todd Frazier 3B
    ** (121) Team Moore – Mike Napoli C – **Panic time = getting to be fewer of them**
    ** (144) Team Moore – Jeff Samardzija SP
    ** (145) Team Moore – Kendrys Morales 1B
    ** (168) Team Moore – Homer Bailey SP
    ** (169) Team Moore – Grant Balfour RP
    ** (192) Team Moore – Norichika Aoki RF
    ** (193) Team Moore – Alexei Ramirez SS
    ** (216) Team Moore – Ernesto Frieri RP
    ** (240) Team Moore – Brandon League RP
    ** (241) Team Moore – Lorenzo Cain CF
    ** (264) Team Moore – Bobby Parnell RP
    ** (265) Team Moore – Bruce Rondon RP
    ** (288) Team Moore – Justin Ruggiano CF
    ** (289) Team Moore – Chris Nelson 2B

    There is a problem with the AutoDraft on ESPN for corner draft positions.. It drafts players before you can get to it on auto if you go past time….

    And the time- out Autodraft linkage goes to the queue before draft line too.. This is something all should be aware … I found out the hard way!!! Make sure your queue is ordered by RD and reflects your draft line… It could happen to anyone within 3 slots either side of the gate

    All this is lightening fast when it happens… And It is a double pick!!!!

    More time will would help… At Yahoo during real drafts – Autosdrafts take the entire time frame before selecting so you would not get doubled up .. Is this the same at ESPN during real Drafts??? This may be a MOCK draft problem only… But, it could be be ruinious to a team’s moral – if it is the way the real Draft works…

    ***Please contact them about this problem – You have some swat…

    Learning the system better through practice though…. It’s almost as good as porn when it comes to practicing…

    Also, with so many using your ranking lists.. It will be a problem one can not prepare for through practice- as so many of your players are high IMO as well… I’ll have to adjust accordingly…

    Thank you..

    • centerfieldballhawk says:
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      @t moore: I love your ADD like – rants. Thanks for the heads up on the ESPN draft toubleshooting. Good to know come March.

      • @centerfieldballhawk:

        Why thank you, CFBH…

        I’m just a gentle pre-geriatric… Who happens to enjoy posting on-line in the nude, heterosexual porn, FBB and is currently smitten by Mr. Gray’s vast knowledge and sense of style shown in sharing it..

        Now that I’m officially retarded, I have too much time on my hands … It is nice to know, I’m not upsetting everybody… That would be bad form…

        • @Jack Full of Hate:

          O poor Jack… All that rage and you just have a puter to play with..

    • @t moore:

      I would be happy with this team

    • Grey

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      @t moore: Good to know! re: almost as good as porn — ha! Your team looks heavy on speed and light on power… Pitching looks a little wonky too…

      • @Grey:

        Mr Gray I guess you are fixating on Aoki and below…. I think, we see a bt more power out of them than you… And they can be replaced.. 212 HR out of the 1st 8 using your #s

        Nelson is a sleeper IMO … If he wins that 3 base gig fulltime… He could have a nice season…

        What does Wonky mean??? I quess, you don’t like all the closers… 2 will go away most likely to demotion… The SPS were taken off your top 400 list pretty much as available ..

        Except, we disagree on Sanchez’s ranking… I agree, I coulda/shoulda taken more hitting there…

        • Grey

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          I was looking at Reyes, Upton, Aoki, Alexei, Nelson, Cain and Ruggiano and thinking you had too much speed and not enough power… Also, Latos, Price and Aroldis is too much pitching and I don’t like Anibal all that much in Detroit… That was what I meant by wonky… Team doesn’t look awful, just a little off…

  14. Tony says:
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    Brian Hearts Posey

  15. Bill S. Preston, Esq. says:
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    I believe in punting catchers as well just due to injury likelihood, but just to play devil’s advocate, you could also say that Posey was 2nd in runs, 4th in hr, and 1st in rbi and average among catchers. He was even tied for 21st in steals. I can see why he would be valuable if he stayed healthy, especially in yahoo leagues.

      • Bill S. Preston, Esq. says:
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        @Grey: Per yahoo they were ranked 31 and 140 overall last year, but keep in mind that yahoo only rosters about 250 players total in 12 team leagues. Wilin will go a lot higher than 250 this year. Amongst catchers he was 5th in runs, 1st in HR, 9th in RBI, 7th in steals, and roughly 15th in average amongst catchers with a decent number of at bats.

  16. OaktownSteve says:
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    So the next catcher off your board is Santana 32 picks later and the next one after that is Weiters down in the 90s. How do you know that Posey plus later pick isn’t a net win against 2nd round outfielder and scrub catcher? Yes Posey’s raw number wouldn’t measure up, but the distance beteween him and the next catcher is pretty big. How can you be so sure? Feel it in your water, as my old Irish girlfriend used to say? Got some math to back it up? It’s probably the most widely debated topic in dungeons and baseball. Just curious if you have a little more color to your take.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @OaktownSteve: Put Wieters’ numbers with a 1st or 2nd round OF against Posey with an 8th round OF…

      • OaktownSteve says:
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        @Grey:
        So I took Adam Jones, who you are projecting for maybe a top 10 and Wieters against Posey and Josh Willingham. Willingham actually goes about 50 picks later than Wieters in the NFBC ADP, Posey goes 18 picks higher than Adam Jones for perspective. You have Willingham at 114, Wieters at 92, Jones at 13 and Posey at 30. I used your projected stats and batting average and gave everybody last year’s AB total

        Posey + Willingham: 152 R/54 HR/186 RBI/4 SB/.283
        Jones + Wieters: 161 R/58 HR/185 RBI/17 SB/.274

        The 13 bags matter. They are slightly offset by the lift in BA. In t Posey you are investing more in the higher injury risk player. I do think that Posey is a complete stud and capable of repeating something like last years numbers, in which case the BA lift becomes even more significant.

        I tend to agree with your general principle here, but I also think those numbers aren’t so far apart that you can ridicule the pick, particularly in a two catcher league. Posey early in the second is still just a little too early. I don’t think late 2 early 3 in a 12 mixed one catcher is completely out of the question if he fell there.

        People totally misunderstand how to draft players and make big mistakes in the name of scarcity, but the amount of distance between players in the positional tiers can make a difference. I think there might be just a little baby in your bathwater.

        • Grey

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          Posey is across the board at his peak last year… Jones isn’t and Wieters isn’t… I’d take the Jones/Wieters combo easily… Though is comparing apples and oranges slightly if you think is a catcher like we haven’t seen in a long time, but when was the last time a catcher built on a top 25 fantasy season?

          • OaktownSteve says:
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            @Grey:

            For the record, I don’t disagree with you, but I am pointing out that the numbers based on your projections aren’t really that far off between the two combos. Further, Adam Jones put up career highs in 4 out of 5 roto categories last year and his RBIs were one off his career best. Buster put career best raw counting numbers, but the rates are in line with his rookie call up season. I’m not sure it’s entirely fair to say Posey will regress more than Jones. Posey has a phenomenal K/BB rate where Jones is atrocious. Guy swings at everything.

            It’s not important whether Posey finishes as a top 25 overall. It’s important what your net output is and the numbers I posted are not that far off…and I think you could make a fair argument that Posey’s talent level gives him a much higher floor than Jones.

            My main point is that every pick in the draft has context. I think it’s important to have rules of thumb like wait on catchers, wait on pitchers, but it’s also important to remember that these rules are based on a perception of how folks will draft and might not apply in any specific draft. The fact that the Posey debate can be made at all is instructive.

            So don’t reach based on perceived positional scarcity, but be aware of the breakpoints in the tiers for each position and don’t miss opportunities to exploit the gaps in the tiers.

            • Grey

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              I hear ya… I am curious though when was the last time a catcher gave a 2nd round fantasy worthy season and followed it up with another… Might have to go back to Piazza…

              • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                @Grey: I like this discussion because I agree with you on this and find Posey falling into the old Mauer illusion. I have never seen someone win a COMPETITIVE LEAGUE when wasting a pick on a high catcher. In OS’s example he drafted two players I consider injury risks, Willingham’s track record is not the greatest either. I know some use your projections like scripture but i always take the pessimistic view that players who have been frequently injured will be injured and with that I think a great fantasy stat would be the probabilty of a player being injured and then creating differing stat projections based on that.

                I try to build of team of Toyota’s and Honda’s not BMW’s and Mercedes. This meaning I like guys who show up and play every day with reliability more than the high performance guys that spend a lot of time at the shop and costing you too much in the long run if they do break down. Longo and Tulo are BMW’s.

                besides all this is irrelevant because half of winning your league revolves around luck and nothing more.

                • OaktownSteve says:
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                  @Jack Full of Hate:
                  Couple of things. The Main Event champ in the NFBC last year was a Mauer owner. Mauer was down a bit, but those guys over there are sharp and by and large they draft catchers early. It is a two catcher format, though.

                  Second, don’t interpret my taking Grey’s projections as my taking them as scripture. It’s purely a handy benchmark for making comparisons.

                  Finally, none of this is irrelavant if you want to bother to try and play and win because if one half is luck then the other half is not. So you control the half that you can control to the best of your abilities.

                  • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                    @OaktownSteve: Mauer was not a 2nd rounder last year and 2 catcher format makes all this irrelevant. Of course we play to win, that is the point but when it comes to drafting we need to think numbers over scarcity. How many teams were able to score Pierzynski, Rosario, Doumit and in some leagues Molina for free? And i bet if it was a competitive league they probably finnished top three.

                    I do fantasy from a philosophical stand point and I rarely finish out of the top three. I think only once. Numbers are nice but good drafting rules always win out for me.

                    • OaktownSteve says:
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                      @Jack Full of Hate:
                      Mauer was not a second rounder, but he wasn’t a catcher punt pick either. Two catcher format makes some difference.

                      I think my numbers below in the Arencibia/Posey post are somewhat persuavise. What say ye?

                      There is no such thing as “scarcity”. It’s a misnomer. The draft is a balance between gross performance relative to the entire player pool and net performance relative to position. And it’s an extremely complicated matrix of decisions. I tried to put a frame around that with this conversation. Please don’t misunderstand this as me saying you have to pick these particular players. I’ve put the injury and the fundamental analysis aside. I’m using them as statistical models to illustrate how to think about inter-positional draft position (don’t call it scarcity!)

              • OaktownSteve says:
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                @Grey:
                Your point about back to back seasons from catchers is well taken. They get hurt. But injuries are hard to project.

                Here’s some more food from thought from your LABR draft:

                Your Upton Rnd 1 and Arencibia Rnd 17 against Posey taken with the next pick and L. Martin taken in the 19th.

                Using your projections:
                Upton/Arencibia +12HR/+30RBI/+2SB
                Posey/Martin +14 runs

                then the big butt…Arenciba/Upton pro-rated for expected ABs .264 AVG and Posey/Martin .292 AVG.

                The expected extra hits generated by Posey and Martin raise your average from .267 to .271 using 575 ABs per roster spot. According to your formula here: http://razzball.com/what-it-takes-to-win-your-fantasy-baseball-league/

                the Posey/Martin combo is worth 2.58 win points, the Upton duo are worth 2.67 win points. Very, very close and that’s taking Posey 13th overall and using an outfielder taken 2 rounds after your catcher.

                Usually when you hear strong arguments in favor of taking catchers earlier, it centers around batting average and that’s the case here. It makes sense because it’s tougher to eyeball the effect of a single player on a rate stat.

                Again, I still basically agree with you but I think the numbers are interesting.

                While you might make up the HRs and the RBIs elsewhere, it’s extremely difficult to make up the downward pressure on batting average caused by Arencibia.

                • Grey

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                  Yeah, I hear ya… I was actually seriously asking which catchers have had back-to-back 2nd round value seasons as catchers… I think it must be Piazza… As for Posey, another factor is the death AT&T is for hitters and how last year everything broke right for the Giants… That’s not a great offensive team or a good park… But with that, I’d still contend Posey will be solid, just not 2nd round solid…

                  • OaktownSteve says:
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                    @Grey:
                    2009-2010 Mauer actually probably the closest since Piazza, it’s a good question. Still, it’s not the most relevant point to the question at hand.
                    There’s no doubt that Posey is a prime candidate to see his number come down. But that’s also not the real question. The question is will he perform at a level that justifies the early draft spot relative to other catcher, player combinations and the math says…maybe so.

                    • Grey

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                      Yeah, kinda apples and oranges… Just because someone played catcher it doesn’t mean they’re the same as Posey coming off a good season… Was just putting out there out of curiosity… You’re probably right, Mauer was decent for two seasons back-to-back…

                • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                  @OaktownSteve: are you an accountant?

  17. Agreed that taking a C high is never a great strategy – their AB, real world nature of their position, and lower stats accumulation doesn’t make it a safe choice. HOWEVER, it is well worth noting, which you omitted from this Posey analysis, that Posey absolutely CRUSHED the Catcher competition last year. The value gap between him and the 2nd and 3rd best catcher was large. The gap between him and the next group was enormous. Net net, anyone who had Posey last year had a top 5 “value differentiating player”. i.e. Posey provided more positional value (Posey relative to other catchers) than many other players who will be taken in the 1st and 2nd round this year. Another way to look at that is, if you had Posey, you put a HUGE gap between you and the competition.

    Food for thought RazzBallers!

    • Sky

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      @RotoBaller: Positional scarcity is nothing new and this same argument could be put into the VCR and rewound back to 2010 after Joe Mauer had a monster year that was even better than Posey’s, statistically. Wilin Rosario hit 28 HRs last year in about 130 less AB than Posey and could’ve been pulled off the FA. Probably the same can be said for Pierzinski and his 27. The reality is you’re paying for a .336 average and ok counting stats in the rounds where you should be getting as close to 100 runs/RBIs and at least over 30 HRs or steals from the guy you’re picking.

      I see where you’re coming from but the point is don’t let positional scarcity scare you into that choice.

      • Jack Full of Hate says:
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        @Sky: wow, when i thought i couldn’t love you any more than I already do you go and speak what I have been telling people for years. Scarscity schmarsity. its the early rounds and you get the best player available. Its still just a slot to fill up with numbers. Ive even see people fill up great catcher numbers by using and platooning catchers from the FA pool

        • Sky

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          @Jack Full of Hate: I appreciate the fist bump but I am merely a man of the people.

          In reality, positional scarcity makes me run the other way. I’m doing a slow twitter mock with some other Razzballians right now and we’re almost thru 7 rounds. We’re doing it RCL style and the only middle infielder I’ve drafted is Starlin – because I believe he can do more, not out of fear – and have no catcher yet. Probably won’t see another MI on my team until after the 10th and won’t be drafting a catcher for a while. When something is a pile of ‘meh’ outside of the ‘top guy’ who’s really just ok, I’d rather just aim for studs at other positions and flesh out the rest later in the draft.

          • Jack Full of Hate says:
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            @Sky: MI is no bueno and has become a FA goldmine for me in recent years. People expect too much from them and then drop them out of frustration every year. Plus the emergence of some schlub that ends up being a high pick relative to the position the next year. Rutledge this year rings a bell. I am re-leaning though because i use to play in a double utility league and have now seen how this was just a big cop out and made it too easy because you would basically be playing with 4 to 5 OF’s or 4OF’s and a CI anyway. referencing what people put in the 2 UTIL.

            • Sky

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              Yeah, in my deep 12 team keeper (two at every IF position, 2 UTIL, 5 OF with 3 of them being LF/CF/RF), I missed the guys I wanted at 2B last year so I just waited for Aaron Hill and Beckham. Beckham wasn’t great but as your 4th MI, basically, he does just fine.

              I’m all about the talent available and filling up the stat sheet. If I miss the top guy either on purpose or because he didn’t fall to me, I let the ‘meh’ get drafted and aim for upside plays later. In the end, they usually pan out the same when compared.

              • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                @Sky: its more fun when we talk about Beer and Porn or as i like to call it, taking BP

                • Sky

                  Sky says:
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                  Ha! I’ll meet you half way. Current seasonal beer I’m enjoying i Sierra Nevada Ruthless Rye IPA

                  http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/140/76816

                  Almost has a brown ale twinge to it. Not something I’d want year round but enjoyable nonetheless.

                  In terms of the all important P in BP, I’m currently so immersed in the football and baseball part of fantasy you could almost say I’m getting a DP.

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      @RotoBaller: since were talking about positional scarcity: i would draft a 2B before C… 2B is whoreably shallow this year…

  18. J Money says:
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    Interesting article as always. I plan on targeting Perez in both my drafts this year.

    My question is about your article about pitching draft strategy. I performed a mock draft on espn and was able to get your optimal bullpen so it is reasonable to do. Would you follow that same strategy pitchers in a first year draft for a keeper league?

  19. Jon says:
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    I have $23 to spend. These are my options:

    Posey $15
    Hosmer $14
    Minor, Anibal $13
    Desmond $10
    Lester $8
    Aybar, Frazier, Anderson $3

    I have C, MI and DH spots open and need at least 5 more SP. What do you think is the best use of my remaining cash?

    • Jon says:
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      @Jon: If this makes a difference, there are plenty of catchers in the re-draft (Perez, Rosario, Wieters, Lucroy, both Monteros) and the best available MI are Kipnis, Weeks, Espinosa, whichever SSs I don’t keep (Aybar or Desmond), plus Segura and Simmons.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Jon: Posey, Frazier, Anderson…

  20. Hotrod says:
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    Must keep 4, Can Keep 6 Keeper league (no lmit on length of Keepers)

    A guy has offered me Zimmerman (maybe Wright) for Macahdo…

    Pull the trigger? I think this would be the only year it would be a good move for me, as I reeeeaallly like Machado as a longtime keeper… but, I am very young(other keeps are J-upside, Strasburg, Lawrie, DJennings & Hosmer) and not sure I can compete this year with that much youth…keeping Machado..your wisdom please?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Hotrod: I’d take Zimmerman (or Wright)…

      • Hotrod says:
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        @Grey: He now says we could get Choo, BJ, or Billy Butler instead…prefer any of these to the previous 2 mentioned? Who would you take #1 of these five options. (Butler, Choo, BJ, Zimm or Wright)?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Him and Lorenzo Cain have a real hard time living up to expectations… No matter how far those expectations have fallen…

      • Sky

        Sky says:
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        Egads, I just read on Cain with the hand injury. Brewers prospects are made of eggs, waves and my willpower around Kate Upton images. They all break too easy.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Ha… Side note: You ever see Compliance? Disturbing film…

          • Sky

            Sky says:
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            I haven’t but it looks like its streamable. Cover image made me think it had to do with heroin so I didn’t really think about watching it:

            http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1971352/

            Upon hearing about you being distrubed, I might have to. If you like disturbing, have you seen God Bless America? I’m sure anti-NRA people would hate it but that shit’s darker than dark comedy.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              I saw this Compliance movie on Saturday and I’m still disturbed… It got more disturbing when I realized it was a true story… It made Wikipedia disturbing to read… I’ve never seen the God Bless America movie, no…

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Yeah, the Miligram one, right?

                  • OaktownSteve says:
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                    @Grey:

                    It’s not that one but Milgram is probably an even better example.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Ah… Gotcha… I was on my phone and didn’t click the link you provided…

                • prezii says:
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                  @OaktownSteve: this is the government in a nutshell…

              • Sky

                Sky says:
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                Well, sounds like a movie I’m adding to the queue. Probably a slow build meaning its a movie night the wife isn’t home. It’s so rare her and I find something we both like to watch in terms of movies but somehow we get into the same TV shows a lot. I got her to watch The League…a show about fantasy sports, AKA something she couldn’t give two warm sharts about.

                God Bless America: Probably not popular after Newtown tragedy. Humor would get lost on many in the current political climate.

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  It’s a movie that is set in such an everyday place which makes it even more disconcerting…

                  • Sky

                    Sky says:
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                    Welp, like Sir Mix A Lot, I’ll jump on it. Thanks for the suggestion!

                • prezii says:
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                  @Sky: CONSPIRACY!

                  • Sky

                    Sky says:
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                    @prezii: Are you suggesting I’m in cahoots with someone? And who exactly am I cahooting with?

                    • prezii says:
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                      @Sky: am i?? Wait.. look, a bird! *poof*

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      You are a cahooter!

            • Jack Full of Hate says:
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              @Sky: Ive had GBA on my queue on net flix for a while, now i will have to watch it.

          • Steve says:
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            @Grey: Yikes.

          • Jack Full of Hate says:
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            @Grey: added that to my que right now, thanks for the heads up.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              No problem… It is disturbing though… Not for the kid or baby mama…

              • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                @Grey: baby mama likes the whackest shizz. she’s down for sure if its disturbing

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Okay, you’ve been warned… It’s pretty bad…

  21. ETMcgee says:
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    I’m in a 6×6 league (ops/QS) where we can keep 4 players at higher cost than the previous year. yahoo league with additional MI,CI, 4 total OF, and 2 Ut, $260 budget (i go with the ~ 180/80 split).

    I’m likely going to keep the top 3 (unless something comes out against braun) and was probably going to keep posey (though I typically punt catcher):
    Braun – $49
    Harper – $7
    Adam Jones – $15

    Posey – $10
    Bruce – $28
    Kipnis – $5

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’d go with Posey…

  22. B.O.B says:
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    Grey,
    Word out of Rays camp is that Wil Myers is doing his best Cedric the Entertainer impression and hitting the ball like a grown @ss man….Also, Yahoo is feeling generous and giving him C eligibility. Is it a realistic possibility that he makes this team out of camp and makes himself keeper worthy vs. drafting in late rounds? I’m sure that the Rays will play coy and wait until the last minute to announce an official decision….

    With that said, would it be wise (as of right now) to:
    1). Keep Myers in 19th round instead of (headley 19th or Butler 12th)
    or
    2). Keep other players and target Myers in mid to late rounds, understanding that I might miss out.

    Thanks for all that you do!

    • ETMcgee says:
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      @B.O.B: my yahoo league pages says that myers will not be eligible at catcher…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yahoo is removing the catcher eligibility… They’re not letting him break camp with the major league team in April…

  23. Washington Irving says:
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    Posey is a fantasy schmohawk, but I love him anyway. Just hard knowing I won’t have him on any team for the foreseeable future.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      You can always send postcards…

  24. Bill_Buckner says:
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    @grey,

    In a 5×5 roto 12 team redraft league would you rather have swiggy & heyward or trout & d wright?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Swiggy…

  25. TheNewGuy says:
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    I think we should do more of this mirrored writing in the future.

    !skcus yesoP retsuB, yerG eerga I

    Only the smart ones can then read it!

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Red Rum

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      …eheH

      • prezii says:
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        …bmud ton m’I, sllab ym kcus

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Ha…I read that normal at first and thought it was a series of AM radio station call letters…

          • prezii says:
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            @Grey: tune in Mondays for discussions on hair loss and viagra! Only at Bmud ton.95 The Age!

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Program note: From Thanksgiving until December 26th, we will be broadcasting only holiday music.

              • prezii says:
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                @Grey: Secondary program note: all listeners are required to wear moccasins and sweater vests..

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  And complain about corporate coffee shops.

                  • prezii says:
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                    @Grey: lol! Classic.. all while driving a cadillac under 10 mph, with the look of 100 mph on their face..

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      And having their kids show them how to DVR Antique Roadshow.

                    • prezii says:
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                      @prezii: then i come home and they made tea with my weed, causing them to stay up and watch for 24 hours..

                    • Grey

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                      I think they made a hemp sweater…

  26. Kraftster says:
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    11 team 5(OBP)x5(QS)

    In the middle of a slow message board draft right now. Roster, with years remaining on contract in parens.

    C-Lucroy(2)
    1B-Fielder(2)
    2B-Kinsler(2)
    SS-Andrus(1)
    3B-Frazier(4)
    OF-Hamilton(2)
    OF-Granderson(2)
    OF-Ellsbury(1)
    UTIL-Choo(3)
    Bn-Revere(3)
    Bn-Rutledge(4)
    Bn-Seager(1)

    SP-Kershaw(4)
    SP-F-Her(1)
    RP-Street(1)
    RP-Wilhelmsen(1)
    P-Samardzija(2)
    P-Garza(2)
    P-Miley(2)
    Bn-Straily(2)
    Bn-Jansen(2)

    I’m not going to bother listing my farm team, but it is quite depleted. Traded Bundy, T. Walker, Miller, Skaggs at various points to make a run. Did win it all last year, going for it again this year and probably next before a likely rebuild.

    As I run projected numbers, I’m coming up light in power and RBI against the average winning numbers in the league, with some speed to spare. Weak in OBP as well. I should be top 1-3 teams in pitching overall.

    I have two bench spots remaining, and I should devote one to a RP flier, most likely. The last spot is either high upside SP flier or another bat. I am about to pick, and Mike Napoli is still sitting out there. His 1B eligiblity will get him into more games than most catcher bench guys, so I’m thinking that he might be the way to go to add some power. I’ve tried to upgrade the power in my OF3 slot and at SS and 3B, but I can’t seem to close any deals, so will likely be platooning Frazier/Seager and Andrus/Rutledge. I’m not sure how else to go about adding power.

    With the team above, who would you draft?
    Hitters: Napoli, Rios, Konerko, N. Cruz, C. Davis, Swisher, Ortiz
    Pitchers: Fister, Ryu, Niese, Beachy
    Prospects: DeShields Jr., Gausman, Guerrier, Barnes, Soler/Alamro/Buxton, Addison Russell?

    See any other clear paths to upgrading power?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Not sure how Revere was drafted before some of those guys but I’d go Niese and Napoli…

      • Kraftster says:
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        @Grey:

        Revere was a farm player who lost eligibility, so he is a carryover from last year. Its a modified keeper league with a cap on the number of years of contracts that you can have. You keep anyone with years remaining on their contract.

        The draft is currently in the fourth round. My picks so far have been Choo (who I lost coming into this year), Rutledge, and Frazier — can you tell I read razzball?

        Thanks..

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Gotcha…. Nice…

  27. gareth says:
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    I joined a cbs fantasy league this year. I was unaware however when I drafted that it was a 2 catcher league. I ended up drafting Carlos Santana. My second catcher was taken with my last pick. John buck. Obviously this is not a good situation.

    So i engineered a trade that i would never offer In a one catcher league . Bj upton for joe mauer. The other guy accepted. I know you are not a fan of catchers grey but in regards to this league is this a solid trade?

    My other outfielders are choo, Stanton, Gardner, Adam jones and swisher.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Not crazy about it…

  28. Boomer19 says:
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    Grey,
    I have a keeper dilemma that I would love to have some thoughts on. In my (13 team) 5×5 roto league, we keep six players on 1 to 3 year contracts. I currently have Giancarlo (can keep for one year), Upton (this year), Adam Jones (two years), Goldschmidt (two years), Castro(two years) and Felix (two years). The Longoria owner wants to trade him for either Castro or Felix. Longoria can only be kept for this year.
    Do I trade Castro and hope for Rutledge later in the draft? Trade Felix and try to grab pitching later? I am drafting last in a snake so I am not sure what pitching might be left. Maybe grab two of the Zimmermann/Moore type? Or do I just hold? Any input would be appreciated.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Trade Felix for Longo… You’ll be able to draft pitching…

  29. gareth says:
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    Why are people so down on josh reddick? I’ve seen him slip to near the end of the draft in all the mocks I’ve participated in so far. What is turning people off him? Didn’t he break out last year, hiting over 30 home runs in Oakland!

    • OaktownSteve says:
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      @gareth:

      I can give you my take, which I’ve been spreading around the interwebs pretty good as it turns out. A lot of people think there’s value in Reddick where he’s being drafted. I would say the general is that it’s a small sample size and there was a second half fall off in his numbers and he’s a batting average risk. That’s kind of the quantitative.

      The qualitative is my own personal opinion is that he over-performed in the first half. He looked very bad in the second half, had a lot of problems with breaking pitches. I think the league found the soft spots in his swing. There were a lot of calls here in Oakland to take him out of the line up in September and in the playoffs. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him finish with fewer than 500 ABs and maybe around 20 HRs with a .240 average.

      Hope I’m wrong though (it’s been know to happen!).

      • TheNewGuy says:
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        @OaktownSteve:
        Takes some guts to lay into one of your teams players.

        • OaktownSteve says:
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          @TheNewGuy:
          Hey…I totally hope I’m wrong. My real baseball allegiance still trumps, but I still call ‘em like I see ‘em.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      We just drafted him in a league so it’s not us…

  30. gareth says:
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    I need a back up for asdrubal Cabrera. Which one of these waiver guys do you like the most? Zach cozart, yunel escobar, Stephen drew, jed lowrie.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Cozart

  31. •Cubs’ Garza has mild back strain – do you consider this a sign to stay away if you have a draft on thusday Dr Grey

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Nah, as long as it’s not his arm I’d draft him still…

  32. Bill S. Preston, Esq. says:
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    Off topic, I have a question for Rudy about his point share evaluations. Does he have a public email address?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Comment on one of his posts, he’ll get back to you…

  33. Brandon says:
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    Grey,

    The point of this article is to say that he is not worth it as a second rounder correct? I have him in a 16 team keep 9 league. Based on your rankings he is possibly my 5th best keeper. I’ve got McCutchen, CarGo, J.Up, Castro, ahead of him. In this situation is Posey a more tolerable option or should I try and move him?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      He’s not worth a 2nd rounder… He’s fine as a keeper in, say, the 5th round…

  34. Jon says:
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    Moore or Latos as a two-year keeper? Latos is in the better league/division but he has a rough home ballpark…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Moore

  35. Jon says:
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    Any comment on how little Streamer likes Jennings? 86/15/59/241/30 is their projection, have him valued around 40th among OF, 155 overall. That 241 avg is pretty brutal…

    • Jon says:
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      @Jon: actually that was their projection at Fangraphs, with Rudy’s playing time projections take his counting stats down a couple…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Average is tough to predict… If he gets .260 and all of those other numbers he’s solid… .241 to .260 is like two extra hits per month…

    • @Jon: Drafted Jennings in the 5th round of my NFBC 15-team draft. Agree with Grey that the AVG doesn’t spook me too much – Steamer’s AVG looks like it’s on the ‘worst case’ side given a .287 BABIP and Jennings’ speed + LD/GB rates.

      If I’m going to gamble a bit in the draft, it will be with upside hitters with at least moderate power and 30+ SB potential.

  36. Hunter Pence playing in AT + T park – any concerns here grey

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yup, some concerns…

  37. TheNewGuy says:
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    Grey if Shelby Miller gets the 5th starters job outta spring training where would you rank him, around the same as Bauer? I think he will get it, his stuff is filthy and his strikeout numbers throughout the minors have been insane.

    Would he be a 6th starter to round out your rotation in the same tier as Estrada? Gotta love Cardinals pitchers, Miller should be another stud in time.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      If he has the 5th starter job, he’s in the same tier as Estrada and can be a 6th starter on any team, yeah…

  38. Mike says:
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    Mr Grey:
    Have you thought of making a post about possible sites to play? To give us a little insight into the world beyond Yahoo/ESPN/CBS? Where would you say is the best place to host a very deep league?
    It’d be great to have your expertise on the matter.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      My expertise would be to play at ESPN, Yahoo or CBS… I don’t like the little boutique sites… The big sites’ product with hosting leagues is fine… CBS is the best for deep leagues, but they do charge… They’re easily the best about having minor leaguers…

  39. The Talented Mr. Dope Man says:
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    Grey – mate,

    your cougar is stunning, your eggs are never runny…

    in a 12 tm al only dynasty i have bautista in the last year of his contract at $20. I desperately need a closer, as I have none, and the only closers that will be available at draft are ryan Madson (probably about $33) Bruce rondon ($22-$25) and Jose Veras ($22-25). I can’t picture myself paying that much for any closer, especially these guys, but they’ll go at that amount because they’re the only ones available.

    Never the less, I’m attempting to trade for a closer, I’ve gone to EVERY SINGLE team and the only team that has any interest in trading a closer will only trade Glen Perkins ($5). He has offered me

    I give:
    Jose Bautista ($20 – last year of contract)
    Derek Holland ($9 – one more yr – then can be extended for $5/year)

    I get
    Glen Perkins ($5 – 2 years on contcact – then can be extended for $5/year)
    Asdrubal Cabrera – ($17 – one more yr, then can be extended for $5/year).

    Is this enough in return for the wrist injury that is awaiting bautista? IT’s really my only shot… If i can’t make a trade, I’ll have to just punt saves as a category all together…

    your wisdom is appreciated!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks, Dope Man! Trade sounds okay if you can use Asdrubal… I’m sure there will be closers available during the season… I’m in 15 team leagues that are only NL or AL-Only and there’s closers who come into the league…

      • The tAlented Mr. Dope Man says:
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        @Grey: I agree that there’s always a few that come into the league, but there’s not 100% guarantee that I’d get them. It’s nice to start with at least one closer. Just wish it was someone a little more trustworthy then Perkins…

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Perkins should be fine… I wouldn’t trade for a closer…

  40. Steve says:
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    I could see maybe taking him in the late 3rd-early 4th of the ol’ 14-team H2H but I’d be amazed if he was still there.

  41. WinslgscauseIlisten2Grey says:
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    Grey, Love your thinking on Posey and I always draft catchers late or waiver wire fodder. I have a dilema that I need your expert help with….12 tm keeper, I have to keep 7 out of the following…. No punishment for keeping any, standard H2H league….

    Braun
    Fielder
    Freese
    Pence
    A. Escobar
    E. Cabrera
    J. Reddick
    Strasburg
    Kershaw
    Price
    Kimbrel
    Medlen
    Altuve

    Definately going with Braun, Fielder, Stras, Kershaw, Price

    Leaning towards other two of Altuve & Kimbrel but unsure????

    What say u wise one?

    Thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks! Altuve and Kimbrel is fine… You better go hard after offense in the draft…

  42. gareth says:
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    I have 5 outfielders for 2 starting spots. I want to start 1 speed guy and one guy with 20 home run power. The speed guys are Stubbs and Gardner. The power guys are swisher, reddick and eithier.

    Which combo of players would be the best 2 to be in the starting lineup? The other 3 would then be bench guys with cuddyer. Also – are Any of these guys appealing trade bait to snag an infielder?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’d trade Ethier…. He usually has the most name recognition compared to actual value…

  43. MY KEEPERS 16 TEAM – YOU KEEP 10 PLAYERS

    Paul Goldschmidt
    Manny Machado
    Allen Craig
    Austin Jackson
    Michael Morse

    Max Scherzer
    Brandon Morrow
    Yu Darvish
    Matt Garza
    Ryan Vogelsong

    OFFERED A TRADE -

    • Adam Wainwright AND Hunter Pence for Yu Darvish

      my new keepers would be if i took trade

      Paul Goldschmidt
      Manny Machado
      Allen Craig
      Austin Jackson
      Michael Morse
      Hunter Pence

      Max Scherzer
      Brandon Morrow
      Adam Wainwright
      Matt Garza

      should I do deal or stay put

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        I’d want the Wainwright side…

  44. reason he wants trade –

    Adam Wainwright AND Hunter Pence for Yu Darvish – Darvish is younger and Pence will not be keeped by him so he is trying to get something for him

    so its a keeper league so for me its really tough here what to do – i am sure a pro like you grey would know which way to go here

  45. Tom says:
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    @Grey who do you think is going to be this years breakout player (aka last years dickey / trout ) – I know your high on goldschmidt but anyone else?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Rutledge!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Oh, and Samardzija…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Oh, and Frazier!

  46. Ralph says:
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    Grey. Just ran through a ten team mock draft. Didn’t take any pitchers until round 8. Amazingly deep pool of SPs out there. Wait on pitching, you Schmohawks!

    1. Joey Votto (Cin – 1B)
    2. Adrian Beltre (Tex – 3B)
    3. Curtis Granderson (NYY – OF)
    4. Adam Jones (Bal – OF)
    5. B.J. Upton (Atl – OF)
    6. Brandon Phillips (Cin – 2B)
    7. Jimmy Rollins (Phi – SS)
    8. Max Scherzer (Det – SP)
    9. Yovani Gallardo (Mil – SP)
    10. Brandon Morrow (Tor – SP)
    11. Tim Lincecum (SF – SP)
    12. Miguel Montero (Ari – C)
    13. Josh Willingham (Min – OF)
    14. Joe Nathan (Tex – RP)
    15. Jarrod Parker (Oak – SP)
    16. Mike Minor (Atl – SP)
    17. Ryan Dempster (Bos – SP)
    18. Chris Perez (Cle – RP)
    19. Justin Morneau (Min – 1B)
    20. Drew Stubbs (Cle – OF)
    21. Kenley Jansen (LAD – RP)
    22. Chris Tillman (Bal – SP)
    23. Mike Fiers (Mil – SP)

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Don’t love some of the flyers you took later on but, yeah, you waited on pitching and your staff is still fine…

  47. Sul says:
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    I have A. Gordon ($2) and D. Jennings ($3) in a 5 yr keeper, who do I use as trade bait if my draft doesn’t turn out like I have it planned?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Gordon

  48. Kyle says:
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    i was wondering if those of you who use fantasy sites other than espn could give me some advice…
    I started an auction draft keeper league last year…not really thinking ahead, I decided it would be cool to be able to make trades involving money in the following years draft (similar to snake draft leagues where you can trade future draft picks).
    after we had made several trades involving money last season, we realized that during the draft, espn only allows teams in a draft to start with equal amounts of money.
    i need to find a site that allows teams to start with different amounts of money (e.g. team A gets $260, team B gets $234, team C gets $286, etc.).
    does anyone have any experience/recommendations?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I know CBS allows that but they charge to use their service…

      • Kyle says:
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        Thanks Grey, I’ll look into CBS. Great stuff as always by the way!

  49. 85True says:
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    Sup Grey,
    Could you help me with a quick keeper question? Sorry to be off topic from the post above
    Yahoo keeper league: 6×6, 5 keepers
    R/HR/RBI/OBP/SB/K W/L/K/ERA/WHIP/SV
    Won league last year thanks to your expertise, surefire keepers so far:
    -Braun
    -Beltre
    -Swiggy
    Out of these 3, who would you keep?
    -AuShizzz
    -Carlos Santana
    -Matt Cain

    Thanks as always

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Not Carlos Santana…

  50. Jack Full of Hate says:
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    keeper question. My buddy was offered Votto and Verlander for Miggy and a draft pick. The guy with V&V really wants Miggonious. I told my buddy to start with 9th round and negotiate up. He already has felix to keep and would be committing himself to all offense till the 12th or 13th round if he makes that deal. What do you think? and is 9th a good starting point to “negotiate”?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’d want the Votto side… 9th round seems fair…

  51. theKeeper says:
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    I’m in a keeper league and would like to hear your take…
    Catcher: Santana $25 vs. Sal Perez $5?
    3B: Machado $5 vs. Middlebrooks $5?
    And, if you can keep 3 of the 4, who do you go with?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Perez…. Machado… Middlebrooks too…

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