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Theo Epstein will play Brett Jackson, right?  I mean, a new GM can toss out the used-up-and-spit-out pieces he inherits, right?  It’s like when a new boss comes into a flailing company and all the employees start quaking in their boots that they’re gonna get fired because they’re unproductive.  Alfonso Soriano, Marlon Byrd and Tyler Colvin should be worried about their parking spots.   Soriano, “Hey, there’s a Segway in my spot.”  Epstein, “Bowden was liquidating.  There’s parking on Waveland for $35 a day.”  Last year at the age of 23, Jackson had 20 homers and 20 steals with a .274 average splitting time between Double and Triple-A.  These numbers are right in line with his previous minor league years.  So what can we expect of Brett Jackson for 2012 fantasy baseball?

His walks are solid, but he gets in trouble with strikeouts.  Last year in Double-A, he had a strikeout percentage of 24.9 and 29.8 in Triple-A.  That’s like Ryan Howard/Adam Dunn type levels and those guys were obviously doing that in the bigs with major dongs.  (BTW, anyone who found us by Googling “in the bigs with major dongs” you’re at the wrong type of fantasy site, sorry.) Some may point out Jackson’s walks to counterbalance the K-razy other numbers.  Sure, but how about I point out that he still strikes out a lot?  Right now, his comp for 20/20 and strikeouts would be Mike Cameron.  Um, eh.  That dampens my enthusiasm a bit.  This is a pretty inexact science when comparing players, but Cameron’s age 24 season in 1997 saw him go 14/23 with a .259 average in 116 games.  I’d be more than happy if I got that from Jackson in 2012.  That’s borderline in mixed leagues, but a great line for NL-Only.  Since I think he will get to show his skills from the jump in 2012, I’d definitely look at him as a late flyer with upside in mixed leagues, but I could see you tossing him aside come mid-April when someone else comes out of nowhere.  For 2012, I’d give Jackson a line of 60/15/70/.260/17 in a full season.

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  1. chata says:
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    is there any way you could scroll down to the last post and comment on #34 ?

  2. Mark says:
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    Jackson’s one of those guys where if I draft him, he’ll either get off to a good start and I’ll become irrationally attached to him and be unable to ditch him when I should, or he’ll get off to a slow and I’ll drop him then get irrationally frusterated when he has a great month. Then again, he’s one of a mounting number of late round outfielders I can find that seem like worthwhile sleepers (and great mid level League only potential profit plays): Jackson, Lorenzo Cain, Lucas Duda, John Mayberry, Mike Trout, Yonder Alonso, Alex Presley, Trayvon Robinson, etc. along with a nice crop of more mid-level potential value picks. OF didn’t seem to have its usual depth in last years draft but seems like it’ll likely be replenished a bit this year.

  3. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @chata: Those numbers you missed seem really high. I can’t get to my old teams for some reason, but I remember I was just about maxed or maxed in most of my leagues at the end of the year.

    @Mark: Those are all great flyers at the end of a draft. Though only one may pan out.

  4. Mark says:
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    Of course, but there’s lots of potential profit there. I usually love gambling on 2-3 of these guys in 5 OF, 12 team mixed formats. But last year they weren’t really there (especially guys with potential in both power and speed), so instead I tried to make profits on MIs, SPs, and Cs (which were there) and usually had at least 3 OF in the first 10 rounds. This year I suspect I’ll feel like I did something wrong if I’m considering my third OF before the 12th round.

  5. chata says:
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    @Grey:

    yeah .
    wish i had paid more attention to those numbers during the year ,
    so i’ll have to assume the legitimacy of yahoo’s numbers .

    the league does have an unusually high IP limit (1800) , and I came
    within a couple of starts of reaching that … though it took a near
    herculean effort to stream anybody and everybody , the last 3 weeks
    of the season .

    went back to see how they compared to the “plucky” kiwis and
    vinko’s numbers , as both readers are in the same league … but noticed
    that yahoo has removed the league’s info (just this morning) ….
    oh well , maybe those guys will read this and pony up their info (if
    they remember) .

    since it’s a keeper league , that info may return , at some point during
    the off-season .

    next year , the IP limit will probably drop to 1650 … still high , but
    we’re working on it (in 2009 , the limit was 2000 innings) .
    but , in the meantime , i’m thinking about adjusting my strategy and
    roster make-up .

    the games played limit , @ 180/position , accounts for a good deal of the
    discrepancy (vs 162 regular season games) .
    that said , my “adjusted” numbers come in at :
    C .. -16 , 1st and 2nd .. -1 , 3rd .. -19 , SS .. -12 , CI .. -16 , MI .. -22 ,
    OF .. + 2 , and UT .. -15

    still , if yahoo is allowing me 180 games per position , i’d like to figure
    out some way to take advantage of the situation .
    obviously , i’m going to lose some , due to last-minute lineup changes ,
    but , maybe i should be rostering a 2nd catcher (and not a back-up one)
    and an extra CI … with 3rd base eligibility … and MI to fill those voids
    as well as cover my UT short-fall .
    this will mean rostering less pitchers .

    what do you think ?
    do you think it’s worth trying ??
    do you know anyone that actually tries to maximize out at 180 games
    per position ???
    i’m afraid , even with the intended reduction in IP limit , that my
    pitching stats may radically suffer .

    sorry for the length of this , but it is my ‘THE’ question of the year .
    as always …. thanking you , in advance .

  6. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Mark: There were guys to gamble on, and in most leagues you can just shuffle hot hands in and out of your lineup.

    @chata: You should have the games played per position be 162 games. There’s not 180 games in the season. With that said, you’re maximizing your starts so you get a few more 0-for-4′s? It’s not worth it unless it’s a short schedule day and you can stream a hitter or two.

  7. peter says:
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    Those projected batting average and playing time seem high to me. This is 23 year old outfielder who struck out 30% of the time in AAA. Unless he can sustain a .400+ BAIBP next year, I see Jackson getting sent down to the minors for half the year and hitting for a terrible average.

  8. peter says:
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    also, Cameron’s age 24 season in 1997 was a significantly different run-scoring environment

  9. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @peter: If he struggles with strikeouts, he won’t be long for the Cubs this year, agreed. Not sure how 1997 factors in on anything besides runs or RBIs unless you’re saying Cameron was on steroids or the balls were juiced or the bases were closer than 90 feet.

  10. Mark says:
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    @Grey

    Its definitely true that you can and should shuffle guys in and out, but its far from optimal to rely on that. Obviously you have to if you want to be successful, but the draft is an opportunity that happens just once per season. That’s why you take high upside guys late.

    As for guys who were good gambles at the end of last years drafts at OF, who were you thinking of? The OF guys with ADPs past round 18 or 19 (12-team leagues) I remember having earmarked were Brandon Belt (who didn’t even have OF eligibility initially but I thought would probably get it quick if he hit enough) , Alex Gordon (a big sleeper hit for the year, but more as a 3B than OF, though the versatility turned out to be huge), Mike Morse (who I dropped after a slow start and doesn’t have any speed), Dexter Fowler (ditto Morse cept swap speed for power) and to a lesser extent Matt Joyce. And even the tier above these guys like LoMo, Beltran, Manny (before he got busted again), and Tabata had seriously limited upside in at least one category, with the exception being Dom Brown, who I considered too risky to take before the 18th so didn’t wind up drafting at all. I definitely remember feeling like it was a very difficult outfield crop to go deep with on draft day, and my initial impression of this year’s is that its going to be a much more well rounded field.

  11. Anthony G. says:
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    Hey there Gray, I’m awfully high on Jackson myself. The strikeouts are very concerning, but Jackson has an INCREDIBLE eye at the plate. I’ve read many articles about people who have watched him in person that are just raving over his ability to see the ball coming to the plate and such. I have to believe that as he matures and his intelligence grows, the strikeouts will come down. Still, I think we’re looking at a 20/20 player with potential for me, which to me, is fantasy gold.

    I also have a quick question if you don’t mind taking an extra minute. I’m in a 12 team H2H auction league with 15 keepers. My keepers are already pretty expensive, but then I saw this..

    I can trade Hunter Pence ($12) and Luebke ($1) for Justin Upton ($38) and Beachy ($1). My keepers will be amongst the top three most exepsnive, but I can probably swing a deal or two to get cheaper. I’m a HUGE Pence fan, but I believe this is to hard to pass up. The league is very deep, 40 man rosters. Which duo would you rather have in this situation? Thanks so much and take it easy man.

  12. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Anthony G.: I’d hold for a better deal.

  13. Steve says:
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    Madson gets 4 years, $44mill. Goodness me.

  14. royce! says:
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    @Steve: Hahaha that’s hilarious! They clearly learned their lesson for paying Lidge 12.5 million a year from 2009-2011, a period in which he netted them negative .8 million dollars in value.

    It’s like the big market teams don’t even care how much they are spending anymore.

  15. Steve says:
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    @royce!: What could your Padres do with that money?

  16. Steve says:
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    @royce!: Without wanting to be facetious, if you’re in the state of Pennsylvania, and you want to bury bad news, or even an outrageous contract extension – you’ll never have a better opportunity than right now.

  17. royce! says:
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    @Steve: Sign Heath Bell? Just kidding! I don’t think the Padres would pay anywhere near that amount for a reliever. I don’t actually know what we could do with that money, because I’ve never entertained the possibility of them having money. But lets say they have 11 million a year to throw around…I’d gamble on Grady for cheap, maybe Kelly Johnson, and Edwin Jackson. But I think we could do that with what we have. The top players are out of reach anyway.

    @Steve: Time to sign Howard to another extension!

  18. peter says:
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    @grey Pitchers were worse than they are now

  19. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @peter: Was the pitching not as good or was it that the hitters were supplementing their stats?

  20. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Busting out some Heavy D as a mark of respect?

  21. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Steve: I saw Tower Heist the other day (not good) and I could’ve sworn he was in, so I just looked it up on this internet thing and I saw not only was he in but he was dead. Did we ever find out what we do after we find love?

  22. peter says:
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    @Grey: or was it that both hitters and pitchers were supplementing their stats?

  23. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Judging by when and where I most often heard that song, we bought it a drink and tried to get it to go home with us.

  24. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @peter: Probably… I just don’t think because ERAs were higher we can say pitching is better now. Well, pitching in Colorado is definitely better.

    @Steve: With the line “Rev me up rev me up,
    my little buttercup?”

  25. Steve says:
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    Yeah. Can’t believe that one never worked.

  26. royce! says:
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    Hey Grey- how was Immortals?

  27. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Just giving it a listen now – takes me back fo’ sho’.

  28. sean says:
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    @royce!: Word. Looking forward to a recap of that.

  29. Steve says:
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    Looks like rioting about to kick off at Penn State. Yikes.

  30. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:
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    @Grey: That’s a pretty big “if” to me, though (“If [Cochran] would’ve survived the rock pick…”). I mean, would you actually put your fate in the hands of luck when you’d not only managed to get on Survivor, but you’ve now made the merge?

    One step closer to a million bucks while giving a big F U to a bunch of people who have been dicks to you… or one rock away from going home, and if you survive the rocks, still being stuck with the people who have been dicks to you. Definitely a tough situation, but I can’t understand the “let’s pick rocks” mentality, so I think he did what he had to.

  31. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @royce!: Eh, pretty mediocre. Mickey Rourke looks terrible in person too. Yikes.

    @Steve: Oh yeah.

    @Steve: Eh, rioting for Joe Pa. Should be the other way around.

    @Awesomus Maximus: I see what you’re saying. But if you choose rocks as him, and someone on the other tribe picks the wrong rock then you’re in the majority. And you’re a weak one in the majority which becomes an asset at this point. Though I agree there are some if’s there.

  32. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:
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    @Grey: This is when the game really begins, anyway. You do whatever you have to to get to this point, and then (usually) all bets are off.

    Most alliances fall apart, everyone is looking for a new angle, weak players are valuable, strong players are targets, bad people do good things to curry favor, good people do bad things to stay around.

    Other than season one (when one tribe didn’t even think to make alliances) and the season when Stephenie and Bobby Jon’s tribe lost every immunity challenge pre-merge (making Stephanie the only “former” member for the other tribe to vote out), I can’t think of “going in with numbers” ever playing a huge factor. Cochran probably has as good a shot as anyone… putting aside the fact that he constantly shoots himself in the foot.

  33. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Awesomus Maximus: Really? I feel like every season they (the show) make it seem like the numbers aren’t going to hold but every year they just pick right through the side that has fewer numbers until they’re down to two or three. BTW, finally watched Real World. Kinda sad that the blonde girl feels like the best way to the ignorant guy’s heart is by being prejudice. Also, the Asian girl is such a waste. Not sure why they’d ever put someone who isn’t legal to drink on the show. Kinda funny how every time the roomies are going anywhere that she can actually go to she gets so super excited.

  34. Awesomus Maximus

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    @Grey: Perhaps I’m wrong. I am not a “student of the game,” just an avid viewer, so I don’t have facts to back this up. However, I’m not recalling many full-former-tribe-alliances lasting until the other former tribe is completely gone.

    It’s usually around this time that what I like to call a “pecking order challenge” is introduced (e.g. cut someone else’s ropes, smash someone else’s tiles), so the people at the bottom of the stronger tribe start to ponder a new alliance, ending the former-tribe-numbers game. Could be perception (promos, red herrings) rather than the reality, but I think more often than not one or more player from the “fewer numbers tribe” ends up going further than members of the “more numbers tribe,” even looking past the individual immunity challenge wrinkle.

    The alliances that seem to work best are two or three person at most, usually with a fourth person to be used and discarded. Anything more than that, and people will usually figure out if they’re going to be part of the final tribal or not… and if not, they look for other options (or options come looking for them).

  35. Awesomus Maximus

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    @Grey: Oh, and the blonde on RW is really sad. The things low self-esteem makes young women do. Of course, without it we would have no (good) porn. C’est la vie.

    Poor casting with the Asian girl. I think it was a matter of her being hot and an attempt to manufacture drama by her not being able to party with everyone (which hasn’t worked since episode 1). My wife has a theory that they put her in the cast because they thought she was just going to show up anyway, since she lives 5 minutes away.

  36. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Awesomus Maximus: Your wife’s theory is hilarious. I’d like to see Survivor employ that casting strategy. There’s 13 Costa Ricans who don’t speak English at the craft service table… Let’s just put them on the show! I agree that the people at the end of the pecking order of the numbers should flip to help their numbers, but I don’t think they do more often than not, which is always frustrating. Either way, the best thing Cochran can do now is grab Jim and Edna and a few others at the end of the line and flip things up again. That would be awesome. And going on gut alone, I think Ozzie’s going to Redemption Island tonight. Again.

  37. chata says:
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    if sophie can stay out of trouble for another 3 weeks ,
    she’ll emerge as a power amongst this ship of fools .

  38. chata says:
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    expect that once coach turns on her , she’ll get rid of his pompous azz .

  39. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @chata: She’ll have to do something otherwise people will view her as a person who is riding coattails.

  40. Awesomus Maximus

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    @Grey: Damn you, Grey! You have tapped into my OCD and now I must do the research:

    Season 1 – numbers tribe picked off all non-members

    Season 2 – went into merge tied, swapped eliminations

    Season 3 – Boran had a two person advantage, but the first two voted out post merge were Boran (a Boran player won it all)

    Season 4 – Rotu had a four person advantage, but gave up Boston Rob immediately post merge and Sean before getting rid of the other tribe (non-Rotu member won the season)

    Season 5 – numbers tribe picked off all non-members, and that softcore-porn-actor-turned-car-salesman-turned-puppy-killer Brian won the title because that’s how much everyone hated that redneck Clay

    Season 6 – Tambaqui had a two person advantage, but two of the next three to go home were from their tribe (non-Tambaqui won the season)

    Season 7 – went into merge tied, swapped eliminations

    Season 8 – three tribes to start, not worth including in this study

    Season 9 – Yasur had two person advantage and picked off all non-members except one, Chris, who won the season (worth noting that we met Ami Cusack, the former Playboy model who still looked pretty good… more later)

    Season 10 – season where Stephenie and Bobby Jon’s tribe lost every immunity challenge, so there was no real merge

    Season 11 – went into merge tied, swapped eliminations

    Season 12 – four tribes to start, not worth including in this study

    Season 13 – four tribes to start, not worth including in this study (worth noting the creepiest moment in show history, when Billy told Probst at tribal, “My prize was that I fell in love in this game, love at first sight. Her name is Candace.”)

    Season 14 – Moto had three person advantage, but swapped eliminations and a non-Moto won the season (worth noting that Yau-Man was awesome)

    Season 15 – Fei Long had two person advantage, but split the first four post merge eliminations 2-2 before finally getting rid of the last two non-members

    Season 16 – Malakal had two person advantage, but lost three of tribe members in the first four post merge tribals before finally getting rid of the last three non-members (worth noting the return of former Playboy hottie Ami Cusack, where we found out just how hard she hit the wall… face first)

    Season 17 – Fang had one person advantage and then two person advantage after the first post merge tribal, but then watched four members go home in the next five tribals and awarded a non-member the prize (worth noting Sugar, mmm… Sugar… I almost watched Sex and Death 101 for the topless scene, but decided the pics on the interwebs were good enough)

    Season 18 – Timbira had a two person advantage and then a three person advantage when Joe went home due to injury, but then five members in a row were voted off (and six in the last seven tribals) and the final came down to two non-members

    Season 19 – Galu had a four person advantage, but voted off seven of their own (and eight in last nine tribals) and the final came down to three non-members

    Season 20 – went into merge tied, Villains rallied to vote out remaining five Heroes in first six post merge tribals

    Season 21 – La Flor had four person advantage, but lost five members in the first six post merge eliminations before finally getting rid of the last three non-members

    Season 22 – Ometepe had one person advantage, but pretty much picked off every non-member, mostly thanks to Boston Rob keeping everyone’s head on straight

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    In summary, it looks like only three times out of 22 has the numbers tribe followed through on picking off non-members. It also seems like having the numbers doesn’t factor into who will be the winner, or it may even be a detriment. Members seem to win mostly when they’re the only option, while non-members seem to win when there’s a choice (we root for the underdog? they’ve burned fewer people?). The big thing that was reinforced through this research, however, was that way more often than not, a small alliance (two or three people) outlasts tribe-based, sex-based, race-based, and age-based alliances.

  41. chata says:
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    @Awesomus Maximus:

    wow .
    that’s just sick .

    am now eliminating you from my e-mail files .

  42. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Awesomus Maximus: Wow, this is awesome! Way to break it down Dalton Ross-style. Maybe I remembered it differently b/c the most recent ones went that way. I didn’t know that about Sugar. Nice! Now one question, you researched this or you went off of memory? Cause if it’s the latter you’re my hero. Actually, either way you’re my hero for this. I love Survivor!

  43. Grey

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    @Awesomus Maximus: Oh, and I just keep rereading your comment. And wanted to say Yau-Man!

  44. Grey

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    @Awesomus Maximus: Oh, and remember in Season 5 when the girl claimed sexual abuse and started screaming? No one likes this season. I ended up remembering more than a few others.

  45. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:
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    @chata: @Grey: Ha! No, not from memory… well, the personal comments are from memory, but not the facts. An error I noticed:

    Season 4 – Rotu had a four person advantage and then a five person advantage after voting out Boston Rob immediately post merge, but then voted out six of their own in the next seven tribals and awarded a non-Rotu member the prize over their own.

    Yeah, Season 5 was fun other than the final coming down to those two awful humans. Ghandia was the one who tried to parlay a cuddle into a sympathy alliance. That was also the season where the crazy old woman (Jan?) found a dead baby bat, cried over it for a while and then buried it 5″ deep in sand (where I’m sure it was immediately dug up by something and eaten once she and cameraman walked away).

  46. Awesomus Maximus

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    @chata: @Grey: By the by, I see Sophie as a strong player… staying under the radar for a long time while maintaining a keen eye on all the happenings. She’s a very Sandra-esque player… and that worked for her twice.

  47. Grey

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    @Awesomus Maximus: Ghandia! That’s right. We were cuddling…No, you were cuddling with me, now give me an alliance. Yeah, the ending wasn’t great, which hurt the season. You’re right about Sophie. I’m always so bad at picking. I still think the dating coach is gonna win, and he’s my choice.

  48. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Word on the streets of Twitterville is that Wilson Ramos has been kidnapped from his home in Venezuela.

    We now return you to your scheduled programming.

  49. Grey

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    @Steve: Be so awesome if it was by Jesus Flores as he tries to hold onto his playing time.

  50. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Hope the perp isn’t Ugueth Urbina.

  51. Steve says:
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    JoePa is history.

  52. chata says:
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    @Grey:

    that’s messed up .
    but funny .

    bang the drum slowly .

  53. Awesomus Maximus

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    @Steve: What a heinous end to what appeared to be a legendary career.

    “With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more.”

    So he’s basically admitting that he did nothing because he didn’t know he’d be accountable someday. Disgusting… child molesters are only slightly more vile than their enablers.

  54. Steve says:
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    @Awesomus Maximus: Yeah, it’s awful. I’d be surprised if McQueary doesn’t go too. He should.

  55. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:
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    @Grey: no spoilers because I don’t know if you’ve watched tonight’s episode yet.

    I think you’re biased because Albert’s also a baseball coach. Seriously though, he seems like a good player in a good position, but so do a few other people. That’s why I love this portion of the game… one hiccup or slick move can throw everything upside down.

    I think we’re all bad at picking winners because they usually do a fantastic job editing the show as a whole. It creates great drama, but also never gives us the whole picture to draw conclusions from.

  56. Awesomus Maximus

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    @Steve: Absolutely. No one’s inaction and negligence can be ignored. Makes me sick to see dozens of people rallying outside of Paterno’s house, cheering for him.

  57. chata says:
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    @Awesomus Maximus:

    these people are defending paterno , are defending penn state ,
    are defending their educational system ,
    are defending themselves ,
    are defending ….. well , would it surprise you to hear chants
    of “USA … USA …” in the crowd ?

    what’s sad is that they are a product of their educational process .
    still , they should be held accountable for their actions .

    we , all , should be held accountable for our actions .

  58. Awesomus Maximus

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    @chata: Seems more like they’re defending Paterno but condemning Penn State for firing him, as well as when and how they did it.

    What’s sad is that, just like the man they’re chanting support for, they’re ignoring the only issue that matters… the molestation of children. Everything else (e.g. sports, games coached record, how the news was delivered) is meaningless by comparison.

  59. chata says:
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    @Awesomus Maximus:

    is he fired now ?

    last i heard , earlier this afternoon , was that he was resigning AFTER
    this year .

  60. Steve says:
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    @chata: He’s gone. Effective immediately.

  61. Grey

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    @Steve: Good to hear they got rid of him, but it’s odd it comes right after he said he’d step down. Guess he once again he didn’t communicate what he should have to the proper people.

  62. Steve says:
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    He wanted to see the season out, but what a shambles that would have been. Any number of reasons for them to fire him now.
    Listen to me – the only connection I have to this thing is a Penn State hat.

  63. Awesomus Maximus

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    @Steve: Was nice to see ESPN not give any air time (while I was watching, at least) to anyone out there to just be part of a mob, and instead found a couple of students who weren’t drunk and put together some coherent thoughts (one saying the firing was absolutely justified, one who voiced support for Paterno but repeatedly said the victims are first and foremost).

  64. Black Beard says:
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    In a league that counts OPS and keeps 7 guys, would your rather keep A-Rod at 3rd, Utley at 2nd, Zobrist at 2nd, or none of the above?

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    @Black Beard: Also, 10 team league.

  66. Awesomus Maximus

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    @Grey: Wow, what an incredible lack of situational awareness, not to mention couth… and all for a shallow and pointless article. I don’t expect much from ESPN, which is probably one reason why I felt compelled to give kudos for their TV coverage last night.

    A bigger reason, though, was that I couldn’t help but feel bad for the PSU student body as a whole. Obviously most students weren’t available for interview, nor were they visible in group shots on television. Why? Well, perhaps they value education over sports, and they were in bed or studying. Perhaps they realized being part of a mob rarely leads to good things. Perhaps they didn’t feel there was anything worth protesting. I was glad to see someone (who put their own safety at risk) get an opportunity to remind viewers that not all college kids think a football coach deserves above-the-title billing at a learning institution.

    As for the students who were out there protesting, they’re young and reactionary… can’t really hold it against them. I’d love to see a group of them sit down with some 1970 Kent State alumni and discuss what is and is not worth protesting, though.

  67. Grey

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    @Awesomus Maximus: I enjoyed the comment on that article — Other articles shouldn’t be written: “How will the Lincoln assassination affect the D.C. theater scene?” As for the protesting, they’re idiot college kids with the mob mentality. What would be interesting is talking to them in 20 years and asking if they’d still go protest. I doubt they would. The Maureen Dowd article in the NY Times was good:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/opinion/dowd-personal-foul-at-penn.html

  68. Awesomus Maximus

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    @Grey: That comment was an hilarious gut shot to Rittenberg. Whoever penned it should be writing for The Onion, or Razzball.

    Yeah, I read Dowd’s excellent piece… can’t imagine many of those protesting read it. It’s incredibly disheartening to still see molestation kept under wraps by authorities, especially after everything that we should have learned as a society from the Catholic Church cases.

    Pedophilia is an ugly and unfortunate part of human nature; it’s a psychiatric disorder that isn’t going away any time soon. I’m not suggesting that makes it excusable by any stretch, but what will it take to understand that abetment through inaction is equally inexcusable?

  69. Awesomus Maximus

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    My wife being a psychologist, I feel compelled to amend my previous comment to point out that pedophilia as a psychiatric disorder needs no excuse (it is what it is, just like any other disorder). I was referring to cases when it results in the activity of child sexual abuse in my last sentence.

  70. Grey

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    @Awesomus Maximus: It’s one of the few things I think warrants some kind of eye for an eye punishment. On a side note, did you see the perp’s book title?

  71. Steve says:
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    @Awesomus Maximus: I think you might be giving ESPN a little more credit than they deserve. From following Twitter chat, it seems they didn’t provide any pictures of the disturbances because they didn’t have any cameras there, which is a bit of a fail IMHO.

    It’s possible they had the pictures but chose not to air them, but that seems unlikely in the midst of the biggest scandal in the history of collegiate sports (American sport?). And I’m with Grey on the rioters – a bunch of ignorant fools.

    Agree with the rest of what you say 100%, so overall we’re 99% in agreement ;-)

    @Awesomus Maximus: @Grey: As a side note, I got on that high horse without having seen a *single* frame of TV coverage. I have followed virtually the entire thing on Twitter. A few days back, Deadspin provided a list of local journalists etc to follow, and that’s what I did.

    And the coverage had been incredible. On-the-spot reports, photos and videos – it’s been like getting a live cross every 30 seconds. This world we live in…

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    so , the argument that , in some societies , twelve years of age is
    the norm for consensual sex and marriage belies the contradiction that
    american society has of acceptance with gay marriage .

    pedophilia , imo equally abhorrent regardless of gender predilection ,
    seems more heinous in situations like the one exposed at penn state .

    maybe because the victims are deemed as being more likely to exhibit
    similar proclivities , later in life , outside the home , whereas
    female victims seem to confine the devastating effects to themselves
    within their family units .

    the (^)above(^) is just this man’s opinion , and , other then to say
    this just sickens me , will be the last that i have to say on the subject .

    I COME HERE FOR THE BASEBALL .

    be excellent to each other .

  73. Awesomus Maximus

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    @Grey: Wasn’t it Touched or something like that?

    @Steve: They had cameras and a few reporters at the scene (one at the riot area, one at the Paterno statue, one at Paterno’s house) when I was watching last night. The reporter at the riot scene got the two interviews I was glad made the air (before leaving because he was hit by a rock), and there seemed to be a concerted effort to not give any face time (and little air time) to those who were just making trouble. It’s the responsible thing to do, so it sort of grosses me out to give kudos for that, but this is also the world we live in…

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    @Awesomus Maximus: Fair enough. As I said, I haven’t seen anything on ESPN (we get an international feed down here, so not the same content as you get), or any other channel for that matter (I’m at work when all this is happening with no access to a TV anyway) so happy to accept what you say there.

  75. Grey

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    @Steve: Have you read the latest about the pimping? Someone should Mussolini some people.

    @Awesomus Maximus: Yup

    @Steve: Don’t like him, but yup agreed.

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    @Grey: I haven’t read about that – awful if true.

    Don’t quite know what to make of Buzz. Love, love, love Friday Night Lights, but I think he’s a little unhinged and his relentless rantings obscure some of the worthwhile things he has to say.

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    @Grey: “I’m sure that’s the way he wanted to go out because he loved his enemas.”

  78. Awesomus Maximus

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    @Grey: When the trustees said people should keep in mind that there is more to this case than what’s been made public, I wouldn’t have guessed it would be anything that horrific.

    If it’s true, and the silence of Paterno and others helped this to transpire… well forget about legacy, those people should be in prison.

  79. Grey

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    @Steve: Yes, another quality quote. His anus should be a judge on Top Chef!

    @Awesomus Maximus: Paterno should be in jail anyway. The whole lot of them. Ho0w do you hear that news, tell someone about it, but not tell the authorities? Or just keep telling people until someone makes a difference? Not to mention, that POS Paterno had the clout to actually get something done.

  80. Awesomus Maximus

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    @Grey: Great product placement for Ivory soap… just when I was considering switching to Dove for Men, too.

  81. Grey

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    @Awesomus Maximus: You what no one is talking about also (or maybe they are and I haven’t heard it), why did Sandusky retire so young? Wasn’t he good at his job? He probably was forced into retirement because the other scumbags were pushing shizz under the rug and knew exactly what was going on. “Retire and we’ll ignore this conduct.” Had to be what was going on. POS Paterno probably fought for him to stay too.

  82. Awesomus Maximus

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    @Grey: I’ve heard some vague hinting at that line of thought in some commentary, but I think there is enough meat on the bone that no one is bothering to test any quirky side dishes yet. They’ll get to it, I’m sure.

    I don’t ignore the distinct possibility that Paterno wasn’t aware of everything that was going on, but I have no doubt that he was aware of enough of it that he is criminally culpable. As his supporters were screaming, “Joe Pa is Penn State!” Yeah, well, when the whole truth about what happened at Penn State comes out, we’ll know who to hold accountable.

  83. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Are you Mark Madden?

  84. Grey

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    @Awesomus Maximus: Yeah, agreed. There’s so much concrete crap to talk about that you don’t need to infer at this point.

    @Steve: Before I just Googled him I thought he was related to John. (Could still be, no idea.) But I see what you’re saying now that I Google him… He wrote something similar. Yeah, I said someone might’ve, not totally surprising. Writing is all over the wall.

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    @Grey: Yeah, you get the feeling that for all that’s come out so far, this one has a long way to run.

  86. Awesomus Maximus

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    @Steve: Thanks for the heads up. This is a pretty good listen (and proof that the voice of Madden is not the same voice that was Grey on that podcast):

    http://bit.ly/vNGZHo

  87. Awesomus Maximus

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    @Grey: By the way, impressive showing in the “Reviewing The ‘Perts” post. Now if you can just figure out a way to predict injuries, you’ll be unstoppable!

  88. Grey

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    @Awesomus Maximus: Thanks! BTW, did you see Survivor? I did, so go ahead and talk on it if you did.

    @Steve: Blech

  89. Steve says:
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    @Grey: To be fair, he has previously expressed his outrage at the scandal. In fact I think it was via one of his tweets (with a link to a report on the grand jury findings) that I first became a aware of all this.

  90. Grey

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    @Steve: I hadn’t heard that about him being there writing a book though. Talk about stepping in some shizz to make for a great book. Don’t think it’ll come out Father’s Day now.

  91. Grey

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    @Steve: Interesting… As always, he sounds pretty levelheaded.

  92. Awesomus Maximus

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    @Grey: @Steve: Interesting, honest, and well written article, but these two things are mutually exclusive to me:

    “You can say that [Paterno] knew enough to stop [the molestation], and I’d say you were right.”

    and then,

    “But I think the way Joe Paterno has lived his life has earned him something more than instant fury…”

    Nothing someone does in their life can earn them a pass at “instant fury” when they knew enough to stop child sexual abuse and did not follow through. No sports records, no charitable donations, not even any number of lives changed for the better… there is no pass.

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    @Awesomus Maximus: Yeah, that jarred with me a bit too. I wonder if it’s some sort of manifestation of the turmoil that’s obviously going on inside his head.

  94. Grey

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    @Steve: Ugh, I hear what he’s sayting, and it’s once again levelheaded. I just can’t believe Paterno who could get the president on the phone if he wanted did enough by just reporting it to his higher-ups. He’s Joe freakin’ Paterno and he basically washed his hands of something that is heinous.

    @Awesomus Maximus: Agreed. You watch Survivor?

  95. Awesomus Maximus

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    @Grey: Oh yeah, I watched the hell out of Survivor. Great episode. When everyone was acting like they never put down Cochran, you could cut the phony with a 2×4. I loved when Ozzy asked if he’d ever talked poorly about Cochran, and Cochran was like, “Umm… yeah. Remember the first three tribal councils when you were talking about how I should be voted out?” A real life “cool kids get their comeuppance from the nerd they picked on” moment. My wife and I did a slow clap that woke our toddler (not really, please don’t call child welfare services).

    Also reinforced my feelings about Sophie when she almost took immunity. She’s so under the radar in terms of strategy, but athletic enough to win a big challenge or two when the big athletic targets are gone. She’s in a great spot.

  96. Grey

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    @Awesomus Maximus: You could be right about Sophie. I just think she’s slightly too under the radar. Looooved the moment when Cochran was like, “Yeah, you did actually mock/ridicule me.” I will say this, which makes the show so fascinating, Jim is right. Cochran is playing the best 3rd place finish game. It’s so hard to play perfectly and I don’t think he is. He’s made too many enemies and not forged enough bonds. This is as of now, of course. With Jim and Dawn in the final three, I think he might’ve had a better shot. Assuming it got to that place.

  97. Steve says:
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    @Grey: And I don’t think Posnanski can believe it either, with all else that he knows about him.

  98. Grey

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    @Steve: Awesome, thanks for sharing all of these! I don’t follow anything on Twitter but I appreciate you doing it and reporting back the good stuff.

  99. Awesomus Maximus

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    @Steve: Yeah, what Grey wrote. Really appreciate you sharing the links.

  100. Awesomus Maximus

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    @Grey: Jim’s outrage at Cochran playing his own game instead of being a good little pawn was absolutely hilarious, too. “We gave him what he wanted! We let him be a double-agent! And then he screws us over like this?”

  101. Awesomus Maximus

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    Just found this article where Barry Switzer (former NCAA and NFL coach, and scandal veteran himself) makes a pretty damning declaration:

    “Having been in this profession a long time and knowing how close coaching staffs are, I knew that this was a secret that was kept secret. Everyone on that staff had to have known, the ones that had been around a long time. You think that a 13-year assistant … hasn’t told someone else? His wife? His father? People knew. The community knew.”

    Full Article – http://bit.ly/rIWGW9

  102. Awesomus Maximus

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    One more link before I get some sleep: http://huff.to/tClf4q

    Why the hell were U.S. senators spending time trying to get a college football coach the Presidential Medal of Freedom in the first place? They’ve got all the important stuff under control, I suppose.

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