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We here at Deep League Thoughts love things cheap.  If the 5 finger discount were legal, we’d be doing it hand over Doug Fister.  Over the course of the year, we’re going to keep our eye on the bargain bin FA market, targeting the guys that are less than 5 percent owned and try to sprinkle you with tasty little nuggets of info on these gems.  Alright let’s start…sorry, you still have to read…and you have to start a new paragraph to do it.  I know, demanding.

Ugh, catchers.  Worse, a fairly boring catcher.  Worserer?  A Mariners catcher.  Okay, now that we’ve gotten through the doom and gloom I’m about to rainbow and unicorn the shizz outta Miguel Olivo.  Quick player comparison here:

Player A: 25/82/50/1/.215

Player Zed: 19/62/54/6/.224

Ok, so we all know one of these players is Olivo, but which one.  Quick!  No google cheating!  Ok, you probably already knew.  The numbers truly aren’t as sexy as the other one but can you tell me who the other catcher is without pulling out your smartphone in class, Grady Sizemore?  And could you please stop taking pictures with it while you’re at it?  The answer is J.P. Arencibia who for some reason keeps getting the sexy catcher pick vote due to the home runs and that he’s viewed as a ‘safe’ catcher to draft.  I’m assuming people think the Jays will be content with another .215 average year because their other catcher is Jeff Mathis.  Well, Travis D’Arnaud has plenty to say about that, though we might need a French interpreter to fully understand it.  J.P. isn’t halfway out the door, but he’s surely not the Jays future catcher.

I know what you’re going to say, poorly constructed argument to get my point across reader: But the Mariners have Jesus Montero.  Yes, the Mariners went straight for the savior in trading away Michael Pineda over the summer.  So do you really think they’re going to make a prized hitting prospect don the tools of ignorance much this year?  Montero’s value is in his bat and his ability to turn Gatorade and sunflower seeds into beer and chicken in the clubhouse (which makes me wonder if he visited the Red Sox a few times last year).  If you want to throw Montero into the daiquiri mix, the Mariners will have three catchers this year with backup John Jaso.  To further a pointless analogy that I shouldn’t have started in the first place, Olivo is the rum, Jaso is the lime juice and Jesus is the dallop of delicious sugar syrup.  Why would they risk losing Montero’s bat to injury when they have two capable backstops already on the team (see, I told you the analogy was pointless; didn’t even refer back to it)?  The moral of this whole thing is don’t drink and catch…I think.  No wait, the moral of this is Montero is the team’s DH.  He DH’ed game one of the season and he’ll DH most games from here on out.  That means there will be plenty of at-bats to go between Olivo and Jaso with Miguel landing the lion’s share.  He should be good for a .225 average and 15 HRs.  Not rare air here, but not useless in two catcher leagues either.  In Fleaflicker leagues, he’s at 7% owned, and, even more egregiously, he’s at 0.8% owned in ESPN.  Alright, I’ve almost reached 575 words on a catcher.  That definitely is reaching my quota for the year.  ONC out!

25 Responses

  1. ichirosan says:
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    I dunno about other leagues, but Arencibia seemed pretty discounted in my RCL. I actually grabbed him from FA just until Montero gains elegibility (which, at this point, looks further and further).

    • Oregon Nut Cups

      Oregon Nut Cups says:
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      @ichirosan, I’d look at this as more of a deep league call. Where Arencibia gets drafted depends a lot on league size and how risk averse people are with their batting average; in a two catcher league, J.P. will get drafted and fairly close to Yadier Molina. MDC has him ranked at 177 ADP, but he went as high as 88th and as low as ND; signs of two catcher vs one catcher league evaluations, no doubt.

  2. AL KOHOLIC says:
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    im riding doumit for now,whats your thoughts on him and him vs olivo

    • Oregon Nut Cups

      Oregon Nut Cups says:
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      @AL KOHOLIC, I’d like to see how the first few weeks of the season shake out with Doumit before I give up on him. He can hit .275 while getting you 15 HRs but we need to see where he plays and how long Morneau can stay unconcussed.

  3. I like Olivo as a cheap option in 2 catcher leagues.

    • Oregon Nut Cups

      Oregon Nut Cups says:
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      @Rudy Gamble, 100% agree. Definitely deep league useful.

  4. ONC, or Rudy …

    The column made we worry about my strategy of grabbing Montero in a 16-team league in hopes that he’d start five games at catcher before the end of April. I’m starting Doumit for now, but would love to drop him and move Montero to C and use that roster spot for someone else.

    So I’m interested in your answer to AL KOHOLIC above on the relative value of Doumit vs. Olivo (or Saltalamacchia or Hundley or Mesoraco, all available on waivers in the same league).

    Also, what’s your best guess on when Montero finally starts that fifth game behind the plate?

    Many thanks!

    • Oregon Nut Cups

      Oregon Nut Cups says:
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      @Enrique, Like the Tigers and their Miggy 3B experiment, I still think there’s a good probability that Montero will talk the team into letting him play a few games behind the plate in April and should get it by early May but overall, I don’t see him having much of a future in the field.

      Out of the list of catchers you mentioned, I still like Doumit’s potential. It’s his health, not his bat, that has always worried me. I’d be willing to keep Doumit until we see how that Twins lineup shakes out and where he’ll be playing. Right now it’s looking like a combo of RF,1B,C,DH. Give him a few weeks to see what you have. Those other guys should be there if/when you need them in a 1 catcher league.

      • @Oregon Nut Cups, Very thorough answer … many thanks!

        • Oregon Nut Cups

          Oregon Nut Cups says:
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          @Enrique, NP and good luck this season!

    • AL KOHOLIC says:
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      @Enrique, dusty loves the 2 catcher rotation,i see mesoraco getting 300-350 abs about it,i would like to see more but dusty loves vets

  5. Curt says:
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    Deep league, keeper(I have C.Santana and Lavarnawy)……I need an evaluation out of C.Snyder, B.Pena or the “Tampa” Molina…..Whom to choose?

    • Oregon Nut Cups

      Oregon Nut Cups says:
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      @Curt, Ooph, that’s hitting near the twig and berries with that one. I’d have to go Pena, I know he can at least hit above .250. Don’t know if Castro or Snyder wins out in Houston.

  6. Howard says:
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    I own Olivo in two 20 team leagues. It’s worked out well for me! Set em and forget em! Thanks!

    • Oregon Nut Cups

      Oregon Nut Cups says:
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      @Howard, NP and Great grab; Montero scared people off from him this year. He’ll be useful.

  7. Ralph says:
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    @Grey…I am in a league which starts three outifelders. I have Choo, Justin Upton, BJ Upton and Desmond Jennings. I can DL BJ Upton…do I pick up Matt Joyce or Lorenzo Cain?

    Thanks

    • Oregon Nut Cups

      Oregon Nut Cups says:
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      @Ralph, Hey Ralph, I’m not Grey but I’d pick up Cain.

  8. Boomer19 says:
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    How would you rank Doumit, Rosario, Olivo? Thanks. (would prefer set it and forget it but might be able to swap part-way through)

    • Oregon Nut Cups

      Oregon Nut Cups says:
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      @Boomer19, Doumit, Olivo, Rosario. I only have Olivo ahead of Rosario due to playing time. In essence, they are the same player; if Rosario starts gaining a hold on the starting position, he moves ahead of Olivo because of his home ballpark.

  9. Ralph says:
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    @Oregon Nut…

    thanks. One more…Marco Scutaro or Ryan Raburn for middle infielder? I have Derek Jeter and a banged up JJ “one of the J’s doesn’t stand for Jeff” Hardy

    • Oregon Nut Cups

      Oregon Nut Cups says:
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      @Ralph, NP; I’d go Scutaro for consistency. Raburn is a hot schmomato.

  10. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:
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    Nice article, though I’m not a fan of the “blind comparison” portion of any player value argument (feel free to read that backwards if you’re a “bad news first” kinda’ guy). For example, blind comparison:

    Kid A – 55/10/45/20/.243
    Plan B – 87/25/92/17/.273

    This still hurts a little, because this actually was my “Kid A” and then “Plan B” for 2011, but those are Hanley Ramirez and Asdrubal Cabrera. What can we glean from this blind comparison? That blind comparisons can be used to support any claim you’d like, no matter how sane or ridiculous.

    Oh, and catchers are so boring that I’m rocking Mesoraco in a 12-Teamer rather than pick up an Arencibia/Olivo just to add some kind of drama to the position.

    • Oregon Nut Cups

      Oregon Nut Cups says:
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      @Awesomus Maximus, Thanks! I understand what you’re saying to an extent. It is very irresponsible to pull two random players – like your example – and then throw out numbers because there is indeed nothing to cull from the comparison (a DL’ed guy who had a down year vs an overperforming late round flier). I was pointing out something that was fairly tangible: two catchers who – when you remove the names – had very similar years but one is not considered worth drafting while the other could easily be drafted in a one catcher league. Trust me when I say I get your beef but I can promise you there is method in my madness and it wasn’t done without making sure it was apt :)

      I definitely can’t fault you for Mesoraco in a 12-Teamer with one catcher. Catcher is deep in one C formats this year. I’d take a flier on upside if I didn’t get a top end one too.

      • Awesomus Maximus

        Awesomus Maximus says:
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        @Oregon Nut Cups, Oh absolutely… I didn’t mean to imply that your specific blind comparison didn’t make sense. I just see it carelessly thrown around other places (coughespncough) to prove an opinion, so it’s sort of been stripped of its effectiveness even when used properly.

        • Oregon Nut Cups

          Oregon Nut Cups says:
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          @Awesomus Maximus, Haha, I was going to mention that one guy who’s name rhymes with Snafu Harry but wanted to make sure I was getting your angle before I did :) Frickin yahoos abusing useful things! I try not to do them too much, just when I see good cause.

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