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For these pitcher pairings, I’m going to be using our 2014 fantasy baseball rankings.  Notably, the top 20 starters for 2014 fantasy baseball, top 40 starters for 2014, top 60 starters for 2014 and the top 80 starters for 2014.  You can also just go to our Fantasy Baseball War Room once it’s ready, which should be by Tuesday.  Or the fantasy baseball tiers.  Okay, now that we have our links and shizz done.  What is a pitcher pairing?  It’s how you plan on putting together a fantasy staff.  It’s a plan of action.  If you have A pitcher, which B, C, D, E and F pitcher goes with him?  Which is different than ‘F this pitcher,’ that’s what you say in May.  You should have six starters.  The sixth starter is Wily Peralta or take whoever you want.  I suggest an upside pick.  Jeff Samardzija comes to mind.  Or Brandon BeachyZack Wheeler also comes to mind.  I’m going to assume you’re in a 12 team, 5×5 and some variation of 9 pitcher leagues like the Razzball Commenter Leagues.  Speaking of which, the RCL league sign-ups begin on Monday.  (NOTE:  What you are about to read is massively confusing.  If it were found scribbled in a notebook, the FBI would be watching me.  If Charles Manson stood up and read this at the next prison Meet N’ Greet, no one would blink an eye.)  Anyway, here’s some pairings for pitching staffs for 2014 fantasy baseball drafts:

TIERS

If your first pitcher is from the tiers: “They’re great, I won’t own them, let’s Patty Cake while others are drafting them.” or “Semantics.” — These tiers are from Kershaw to Verlander.  If you draft someone from these tiers, you’ll probably lose your league or get lucky with your hitters.  If I do draft one, I wouldn’t take another pitcher until Chaz Bono‘s tier.  Then grab a guy in Who’s going to be 2014’s Matt Harvey?‘s tier.  Then two guys from Taking a number three doesn’t mean a pee and poop combo‘s tier, and finally one guy from either Thisclose‘s tier or Come here, Dumpling Face.  Though, if you draft someone in Kershaw or Cliff Lee’s tiers, I could also see bypassing the Chaz Bono’s tier and skipping right to the Matt Harvey tier that Matt Harvey isn’t in. Then you’d take two guys from Matt Harvey’s tier that Matt Harvey isn’t in, then grab two guys from the pee and poop combo tier and finally Thisclose or Dumpling Face’s tier.  So, you either have something like F-Her, Fister, Sonny Gray, Porcello, Ryu and Wheeler or F-Her, Gerrit Cole, Sonny Gray, Porcello, Medlen and Samardzija.  Either of those staffs will probably have 13’s in every pitching category in a 12 team league.

If your first pitcher is from the tier, “I could see drafting one of these guys if they’re there (stutterer!).”: – This tier goes from Jo-Fer to Teheran.  I’d pair any of the top 20 starters that come between Jo-Fer and Teheran with anyone in the I’ll let you be my first fantasy starter if I don’t have one yet tier, but it’s not mandatory.  In other words, if I have Jo-Fer, I wouldn’t ignore Gio Gonzalez’s tier if they fell to me, but I wouldn’t reach either. You’ll be fine taking Jo-Fer and moving right into the Chaz Bono’s tier or the Matt Harvey tier that Matt Harvey isn’t in, but let’s say you start your staff with Jo-Fer and Gio Gonzalez because he falls to you, you should skip right to the pee/poop tier and grab someone, say, Porcello.  Again, if someone from Gio’s tier drops, then you can grab him, but you’re loading up too much on pitching at this point.  So now you have Jo-Fer, Gio and Porcello, then you jump to Thisclose and Dumpling Face tiers and grab three pitchers. (Yes, this is like a Choose Your Own Adventure.)  So that leaves you with Jo-Fer, Gio, Porcello, Buchholz, Wheeler, and Peralta. That’s one great looking staff, or so she said, whoever she is.

Now if you grab Jo-Fer or Sale or anyone in their tier, but you skip Gio’s tier and go straight to Matt Harvey’s tier that Matt Harvey isn’t in, then you grab one or two guys in that tier and one or two guys from the pee/poop tier.  If you grab one from Harvey’s tier, then grab two from pee/poop’s tier and vice versa.  At this point, you should have four starters.  Then grab two from Thisclose and Dumpling Faces. That leaves you with a staff of Sale, Gerrit Cole, Salazar, Kuroda, Samardzija and Smyly. That’s probably the best staff I’ve ever seen in the entire universe.

If your first pitcher is from the tier, “I’ll let you be my first fantasy starter if I don’t have one yet.”: – This tier goes from Gio to Zimmermann. This is my ideal pairing (which will be as convoluted as everything that came before it. Anyone that actually reads AND understands this post deserves a gold star.) Grab your first pitcher from the Gio tier, your next two pitchers from the Matt Harvey tier that Matt Harvey isn’t in, then two pitchers from pee/poop tier, then one guy from the Thisclose or Dumpling Face tier.  So you could have Gio Gonzalez, Gerrit Cole, Sonny Gray, Cashner, Ryu and Beachy. You just won your league and games haven’t even started. You’re welcome.

Close to ideal (let’s say ideal-ish) is if you draft one pitcher from Gio’s tier, two pitchers from either Chaz Bono’s tier or Matt Harvey’s tier that Matt Harvey isn’t in, two from the pee/poop tier and a Thisclose or Dumpling Face tier pitcher. So, that could give you Gio, Matt Cain, Sonny Gray, Porcello, Kuroda and Wheeler. Honestly, that staff looks pretty good to me; go buy yourself an ice cream cone and celebrate.

Not ideal but it will do, Pooh (let’s call it ideally Pooh) is if you draft two pitchers from Gio’s tier. Then skip to Matt Harvey’s tier that Matt Harvey isn’t in and take one, then two from the pee/poop tier then Beachy or someone from the last two favorable tiers, Dumpling Face and Thisclose.  So, you could have Gio, Minor, Salazar, Ryu, Porcello and Wheeler (or Beachy or Samardzija.)  Could this post become more confusing? Short answer:  no.  Long answer:  nooooooooooo.  But let’s try…

OVERALL THOUGHTS

You can’t go wrong with a lot of different sets of pitchers.  Shoot (not you Dick Cheney), you probably could do fine with drafting only 3 starters and 3 great relievers and streaming.  If you stick to the pitchers I like, then you’ll do well matching them up any way you see fit.  The key is to make sure you are drafting offense early and often.  What I’m doing with my tiers pairing is making sure you’re drafting a balanced staff.  You can take too much upside.  That’s why every time I draft a guy from the Matt Harvey tier that Matt Harvey isn’t in, I go right to the pee/poop tier.  The pee/poop tier is the key tier in the starter rankings.  That’s your grounded, down-to-earth balanced starters to your upside ones.  Look at the names in the pee/poop tier:  Ryu, Kuroda, Medlen, Porcello, Cashner, etc.  You’re really hoping to take the risk off of your Salazar’s and Sonny Gray’s.  Pee/poop will not win you your league, but without it you’re gonna lose.  Huh?  Okay, let’s move on.

TROUBLE AREAS

WHIP Issues – For every pitcher who is projected over a 1.23 WHIP, take one below. The quicker you do this, the better off you’ll be. For instance, if you take Liriano, who I have projected for a 1.25, you need to pair him with someone I have projected below a 1.23. Don’t pair Liriano with Chris Tillman.  Don’t pair Liriano with Josh Johnson.  Pair Liriano with Kuroda. Pair him with Alfredo Jettuccine Griffin. Pair him with Ryu.  Remember, the further you get into the rankings, the harder it becomes to find lower WHIPs.  In the top 80 starters, there’s only three starters below a 1.23 WHIP, and one of them I don’t recommend drafting (Dan Haren).  Sidenote:  WHIP can be helped by closers and MRs… Or hurt by them.

What about “Lottery Tickets?!” – There’s a whole slew of pitchers I haven’t mentioned after the Thisclose and Dumpling Face tiers. I even like some of them, namely the Lottery Tickets tier in the top 100 starters for 2014 fantasy baseball.  These guys are 7th starters, DL-bound or minor league-bound starters that you’re stashing.  I wouldn’t count on any of them for anything.  I like me some Alex Wood as much as the next guy, but are you really starting him every time out in April and risking a huge blow up, which would lead to a crushing April that leaves you in your fantasy baseball basement and a chance to start trading for keepers in May?  You take a flyer on someone like Jameson Taillon, hope he gets the call and if he doesn’t, you decide whether to drop him in redraft leagues.  He’s not your 6th starter.

K ISSUES – For drafters who follow my lead, this shouldn’t be much of an issue. You’re shooting for around 150/starter.

Overall Pitching Issues – Just about everyone, including yours truly, drops at least one of their starters by May 1st.  Obviously, you want the best team coming out the draft, but it’s a marathon not a sprint. Starters always come out of nowhere on waivers to become productive.  Always.  Even in deep leagues.

BONUS FEATURE

Because we both know everything above this point was the gibberish of a mad mind, here’s an easy to use shortcut.  Just click the pitcher you draft, then you’ll get a short list of the next pitcher you’re supposed to draft. Voila, snitches! Now, have at it:

  1. Czernobog says:
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    “For instance, if you take Mike Minor, who I have projected for a 1.25,”

    You actually have Minor projected for a WHIP of 1.11. Did you mean Liriano?

    I likes my keeper league. 2 Jo-Fers, 1 Gio (aka Minor), 3 Harveys, and an ex-one who might do a two. With a gamble or two to come.

  2. J-FOH says:
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    I could play with this thing all day long

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      That’s what she said…in my dreams…from Kate Upton’s lips…

      • TheMacestOfDaddys says:
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        @Sky: are you sure that you don’t have time for football?

      • Jason says:
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        @Sky: haha. But wouldnt it be a “BJ” Upton ?

        • Sky

          Sky says:
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          haha

        • J-FOH says:
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          @Jason: HA!

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        @Sky: Haha

  3. bossmanjunior says:
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    Are you going anywhere near Cole where he is being drafted? In Yahoo he is sitting around #68.

    • Troy says:
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      @bossmanjunior: I haven’t been, feels way to high for me going in 5th and 6th round which seems crazy for me.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @bossmanjunior: Nope, probably won’t get him this year…

  4. Troy says:
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    You said in a previous post you could see yourself drafting Cobb and Teheran on the same team. But I believe they both fall in the same tier. I’ve been grabbing both of them anywhere from 6th to 10th depending on the draft. Also been grabbing gray around 13 to 15 again depending on the league. Most of these guys fall around the same overall projections so this overall post confuses me a bit. Am I reaching if I’m getting all of these guys? I usually take a hit at mi doing this. Little long I no sorry about that.

    • stonepie says:
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      @Troy: im looking to do the same. there’s certainly a difference between the ranking and a pitchers adp which allows you to wait. gray is ranked like 160ish on yahoo so he could fall further than a guy like wacha who’s in the same tier yet around 100.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Troy: Yeah, if guys fall in drafts (which I imagine Cobb or Teheran or both), then it’s free game if I like someone… Assuming all things being equal with my rankings, it would be hard to have both… Luckily, all things aren’t equal…

      • Andrew A says:
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        @Grey:

        do you know if Yahoo updates their rankings before the season?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yup

        • btd says:
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          @Andrew A: Usually about 2 weeks before opening day.

          • btd says:
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            @btd: That’s about when they do their last update.

  5. Nimrod says:
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    What an awesome post. For shizz and grins what are some ideas to help keep track who other pundit’s are drafting. Basically so I pick then start preparing for the next pick (snake) but guys are coming (hmm) off the board. Is there a spreadsheet or other helpful tool? (hmm)I don’t want to miss a value pick while I’m focused on filling my roster slots. Figure I had to make it confusing to fit in (hmm) with the post. Ha

    • TheMacestOfDaddys says:
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      @Nimrod: your brain is the tool

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Nimrod: Ha… There will be the War Room that might help with what you’re talking about…

      • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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        @Grey: another good thing is to compare ADP’s of players and Grey’s (or anybody’s) rankings, next to each name on the master list write next to each player’s name how many spots above or below they are from their ADP’s. People ranked a lot higher here will be very easily gotten. Highlight those in advance of any drafts.

  6. Justin says:
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    Is keeping A.Sanchez,Cobb, and Iwakuma a bad idea in a 12 team 7 keeper league? qs are an extra cat. I have a ton of early picks to spend on hitting and hitting only.

    • TheMacestOfDaddys says:
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      @Justin: it’s hard to say without knowing what the picks are, what you’re giving up, and any other keeper choices.

    • Jason says:
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      @Justin: so 7 rounds in and you’ll have three pitchers? Haven’t you heard, pitching is so deep it’ll put her ass to sleep.

      They’re three nice pitchers but I wouldn’t do it. If you’re in a h2h league maybe a little more thought goes to doing it but it really depends on who you are not keeping at this point.

    • kingforaday151 says:
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      @Troy: @Justin: Solid three, but what hitters are you throwing back to keep them? Keeping three starters of your seven keepers in a 12 team league seems like it’s really going to set you back regardless of early picks, top 60 hitters will be gone. I’d keep two of the three starters and add one more hitter to your keeper list. I’d keep Iwakuma to drag your ERA and WHIP down, and then target a high K guy like Salazar with one of those extra early round picks.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Justin: Can’t say without knowing your other options…

    • Shibboleth says:
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      @Justin: 3/7 is a decent keeper ratio If you can really take hitters early and often. Where they are kept night factor into it

  7. John says:
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    I had my first draft the other day (12 team, h2h). Everyone who spoke up blasted me for weak pitching, but it seems OK according to this strategy:

    Annibel, Cobb, Masterson, Kluber, Beachy, Peralta, Erasmo, Kazmir, and 3 donkeycorns

    Do you think I’m OK, or do I need to make a few moves?

    • RandomItalicizedVoice says:
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      @John: IMO, it’s good to have a true ace in H2H, just for the consistent solid baseline they provide each week. But you could do just fine with what you have there.

    • The Strolg says:
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      @RandomItalicizedVoice: @John: I think how many starts per week allowed makes a huge difference in h2h starting pitching needs.

    • TheMacestOfDaddys says:
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      @John: weak pitching, but that’s the theme here. You’ll be welcome with open arms.

      • JoeC says:
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        @TheMacestOfDaddys: The same open arms that your mom welcomes me with.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @John: Your pitching isn’t weak…You’ll be fine…

  8. de nachos says:
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    Funny stuff. Portions of this should be sold to Sprint for the next James Earl Jones and Malcolm McDowell commercial. Thanks for the write up. In my points league I usually roll the dice on one top tier guy, so these pairings especially help.

    I think points leagues and taking a pitcher earlier is the equivalent of not waiting on a quarterback in 2-QB leagues…maybe. I dunno. Sky?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @de nachos: Thanks! Don’t know about football…

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      @de nachos: I haven’t played a points league yet so I wouldn’t be good at finding the equivalent. I wait on QBs even in 2-QB leagues though cuz I’m crazy like that.

      • de nachos says:
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        @Sky: the major difference is points are points no matter where you find them, so if you hit big on SP (complete games, 200+ Ks, no BBI) you can practically “punt” power. Most years the balanced team wins, but every now and then you have a team hit the lottery with both Cy Youngs+ so all his hitting has to be is adequate. It was my intro to fantasy bball so while I now enjoy roto I’ll never quit my points league if only because of its active message board. It also forces me to utilize a slightly different draft philosophy.

        • Sky

          Sky says:
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          Interesting. Points leagues actually sound more ‘equal’ then. Probably more reflective of real baseball than roto in that respect.

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    Do you pretty much follow the same system when planning to stream? Say, draft three from this process then use the last three picks to get streaming options? If you know you are going to drop two or three pitchers to stream might as well use late picks on them right?

    Thank you, and be sure to treat your Cougar well for all the time you have spent lately writing.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Korey: Ha, will do! No point is drafting streamers, you can just pick them up, draft a staff or MRs…

  10. The Old Professor says:
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    Where is Zach Greinke?

  11. Jon says:
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    How would you adjust this strategy for a 10-team H2H league where we each carry 10+ SPs? (If I only carry 6-8 starters, I’m behind each week in Ks and Ws and I’d prefer to try to win all 5 rather than punting 2 cats. League doesn’t allow streaming, either.)

    Thanks!

    • TheMacestOfDaddys says:
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      @Jon: wow, in that league setup I’d advise inviting several razzballians into the league. You’ll win by 1000.

      • Jon says:
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        @TheMacestOfDaddys: I won last year. There are about 5 good teams that know what they’re doing and 5 teams that don’t. Usually one manager changes a year. It’s a keeper league with changing keeper rules, so it’s fun enough.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Jon: You need to draft more guys I like… With no streaming, I’d take an extra guy from all the tiers I like…

  12. Beastman says:
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    Grey, as usual, you’re spot on–the FBI would consider this the rantings of a lunatic.

    But I’m glad to be along for the ride. Thanks for getting us fantasy baseball junkies through the winter, we all need a little crazy in our lives.

    • TheMacestOfDaddys says:
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      @Beastman: awwwww…..

      • matt says:
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        Sociopath Much? Yes..the answer is yes. Fking Clown

  13. Johnson says:
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    dynasty league. 25 man roster. Player must be part of 25 man roster. Please rank Heyward, Oscar Taveras, Buxton. thanks!

  14. PublicEnemy#1 says:
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    I’m never the guy that gets a first or second round starter, but by the end of the fourth round I usually have my staff ace. I went another direction in my 15-team NFBC DC league with 50 player rosters and kind of like the results. At pick 79 I took Iwakuma. I followed that up at pick 102 with Cole and pick 109 with HBailey. My only other pitchers inside the top 200 were Papelbon at 162 and Masterson at 169. The back end of my staff is filled out by Parker, Lackey, Morton, Taillon, MPerez, etc. Where I came up short was in my 2nd closer; LaTroy Hawkins. I’m hopeful that a Pedro Strop, Joe Smith, or Ryan Madson type can be a sneaky source of saves at some point in 2014.

    My offense rounds out as:

    MMontero
    Navarro/Grandal
    Hosmer
    Profar
    Beltre
    AEscobar/Owings
    Dozier
    PAlvarez
    Harper
    Marte
    Cuddyer
    Victorino
    Pollock/Presley/CRoss
    Lind/Ruf/Carp/MFranco

    I’m hopeful for a step forward from Hosmer, Harper, and my deep sleeper Pollock, with slight bounce backs in avg from unlucky guys like PAlvarez (.245?), Dozier (.265), and AEscobar (.260).

    What do you think?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @PublicEnemy#1: I think you’re asking too much for AVG bounce backs from those guys, so your average could be a major issue… Team also looks a bit light on power…

  15. ashtray says:
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    You dump this much thought in to your posts on a daily basis and yet some people still subscribe to the “Insider” club.

  16. NatsFan says:
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    Grey,

    Daiquiri on me today. Thanks!

    Competitive (and expensive) 12 team NL only Auction. 7 keepers. My SPs are Strasburg ($17), Medlen ($6), Cashner ($9). Also have Rosenthal ($11 ) so no closer worries. Being NL only what tier should I buy my next SP from: I’ll let you be my first, Chaz Bono, Pee Poop or This close (all the NL guys from the I could see drafting one of these guys if there there are kept—same with Matt Harvey tier)?

    In short should my next SP “buy” be Latos/JZimm/Gio or Fister/Cain or Josh Johnson/Ryu(may be kept at $15) or Zack Wheeler/Randall Delgado

    • TheMacestOfDaddys says:
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      @NatsFan: oh just pick one :)

      • NatsFan says:
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        Ha! Thats what I usually do, but looking to change the team name from “Dead Money” this season!

        Forgot to mention standard 5×5 NL only $260 cap.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @NatsFan: Thanks! Chaz Bono or pee/poop… $15 for Ryu is just fair, so I’d let him go…

  17. Mike says:
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    Great work here.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Mike: Thanks!

  18. McGaffer12 says:
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    Keeper question:

    12 team, roto style head to head (record accumulates after each head to head week)
    Keep 6, league is terminating after 2016 season

    Current potential keepers are:

    3rd Pedroia
    4th Votto
    7th Heyward
    12th Trumbo
    12th Boegarts
    12th trout
    12th Gomez

    Been offered 12th rd strasburg for 7th rnd Heyward & 3rd rnd Pedroia

    Should I do it? It would open up my 3rd round pick and I have the 3rd overall pick so I could likely grab a Kinsler at that spot

    Much appreciated!

  19. Jason says:
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    I have been offered Braun and Wil Myers for Puig and Strasburg. I still have Kershaw and Cliff Lee as starters. Should I make the trade or hold tight? Thanks!

    • J-FOH says:
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      @Jason: try trading Strasburg straight up for one of those two. I prefer Myers long term

    • TheMacestOfDaddys says:
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      @Jason: you have Lee, Strasburg, AND a Kershaw?! You’re on the wrong site.

    • EnglishMetsFan says:
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      @Jason: Hold

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Jason: Agree with JFOH

  20. Teddy Heater says:
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    Grey,
    You’ve out done yourself on this one, you crazy, beautiful sonavabeachy! Drinks on me, oh and my first write off for 2014. I wish every charity paid me back in fantasy baseball advice, a lot better than a $5.00 Snickers bar from the kid in front of Pavillions. Cheers!

  21. Shawn of the livid says:
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    Damn Grey. This is really some in depth stuff. How long did you spend on this!?! Awesome. Just awesome. I feel like I should be paying a subscription fee to Razzball at this point!

  22. BitchesBeShoppach says:
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    This is awesome. Thanks once again. I really hope no one in my league knows about this site.

  23. Bob says:
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    I am keeping Scherzer as my only pitching keeper out of 5 total keepers. I plan on drafting a batter and pitcher at the end of the snake in the first and and beginning of the second round. Of who’s available, I’m guessing Cliff Lee, Hamels (only because stupid ESPN has him rated high and I’m sure someone will take him) and Sanchez will be gone before I can draft one. Would you pair Iwakuma, Bailey, or Latos with Scherzer?

    • TheMacestOfDaddys says:
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      @Bob: this is the wrong place to ask that question. These guys are going to tell you to draft two hitters…and they’ll act as if it’s preposterous to consider otherwise.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Bob: I have my rankings, I’d probably take Bailey first in a keeper if you’re thinking long term…

  24. MattH says:
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    This is the second year I’ve read this pitcher pairing post. Thankfully it makes much more sense this year. Hopefully every year it’ll make more and more sense. Great post!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @MattH: Ha, no problem

  25. Count de Monetball says:
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    I’ll take my gold star for understanding that post. Thanks Grey!

  26. Commish Cauda says:
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    16-Team, H2H-Points Keeper League

    I have the 3rd overall pick. Chris Davis and Jean Segura are my keepers. Still don’t take Kershaw at #3?

    • TheMacestOfDaddys says:
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      @Commish Cauda: well if everyone kept two, that means 32 guys off the board…so yeah take Kershaw. These guys will say no. Choose wisely.

    • EnglishMetsFan says:
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      @Commish Cauda: What’s the points split? In my points league, it’s biased 55/45 pitching/hitting. If it’s even 50/50, I’d take Kershaw.

  27. B says:
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    Nice work, thanks. Relatively new to this site so not sure if you’ve covered this before, but wondering if you’ve used this type of strategy for deeper leagues, say 20 teams? Obviously there would be a difference in tiers/pairs to target but curious on your thoughts regarding pitching balance in such a league. Thanks.

    • TheMacestOfDaddys says:
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      @B: my two cents (which is worth zero cents in here) is that the deeper the league, the more that balance is important. The deeper the league the more likely I am to just draft the best player, regardless of needs, position, or angry Razzballians screaming about how Cole, Gray, Cobb, and Salazar are going to win their leagues for them.

      • matt says:
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        Why don’t you put up the funds and start a fantasy site? Since you seem to be so knowledgeable…

    • Cram It says:
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      @B: That deep of a league, you’d be more likely to draft best available. Regardless, you still want balanced pitching, so the strategy in theory still applies.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @B: In leagues where quality pitchers are not as readily available you need to draft heavier on pitching… In a 20 team league, you need an ace… I’d still follow my rankings, I’d just ignore where I say ignore this tier…

      • B says:
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        @Grey:

        Thanks Grey and the others.

        As a follow up, would you still jump one/two etc tiers depending on whom you chose? For example, let say I got a Gio/Latos type starter as my number one, would you still look to pair with someone further down? Would your strategy change significantly if you had your #1 from the elite (e.g. skip a tier)? What about if your #1 was from the tier below Latos?

        Generally speaking is fine, otherwise I’d have to go into league settings and that’s not necessary at this stage.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          @B: You can’t have a number one from below Latos… Unless I’m misunderstanding or you’re not following by what I mean when I say you need an ace in a 20 team league….

          • B says:
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            @Grey:

            I know you suggested that, thanks. But given some settings, a true ace may not be as needed (last year’s winner’s first starting pitcher was Fister). Or if I get stuck autodrafting. then I may not get one.

            Generally speaking, I’m more focused on your pairing strategy depending on whom you choose. Given it’s a deeper league, does your pairing strategy change depending on where you pick your first starter?

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              It doesn’t change… I like the pitchers I like… I’m not going to draft pitchers I don’t like in any league… If the winner had Fister as their top pitcher, then pull back on starters… I’d still want six guys that I like which is clear from above…

              • B says:
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                @Grey:

                Fair enough. I didn’t really want to focus on league specifics (e.g Fister) as you know there are plenty of ways of being successful. He could’ve been just lucky with Fister. The year before the winner had better pitching. But that comes down to more than pitching strategy.

                Yep I know who you like, but I was just curious on whether the strategy changed at all if you drafted your first pitcher earlier/later in a deeper league. Whether that was intended or not.

                – Perhaps you may decide to skip a tier that you like given that you already have an ace (especially in 20 teamer, maybe not in a 10-12 teamer).
                – Perhaps you would try to draft three guys from the same middle tier you like if you happened to leave it a bit late to draft your first one.
                – Perhaps you’d change your pairing strategy all together given the league depth.

                Anyway, your list gives me some ideas that I could tailor towards my own strategy given my league’s settings. Thanks for the feedback.

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Nah, I don’t really think of it like that… This is a road map for those that don’t know the pitchers I like by heart… I know who I like and at what value, so I grab guys I want in rounds I want them… All things being equal, my drafting should look like one of the staffs above, but things happen…

                  • B says:
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                    @Grey:

                    Ok thanks.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      No problem

  28. TheMacestOfDaddys says:
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    Wow, opposition gets you banned from comments?! Is that why everyone on here kisses so much behind? Because all the Razzball opposition has been banned from posting? That’s so weak. Really. Ok, I’ll stop picking on you. I’ll go and you can all continue to stroke each other: “great job Grey”…”you’re the best”…”no you’re the best”…”no you’re the best.” But how about Razzball doesn’t come in 12th for once in an expert league? Maybe then I’ll but into it all…when you can put it into practice and not continuously be a doormat for “‘perts”. Telling everyone that they’ll “lose their league” with an elite starter? How about last years Tout Wars?…loved that ‘no elite starter, but still can’t hit homers’ strategy. I’ll try that one in my next draft. Ok I’m out. I hope Cobb blows out his arm after having a 8.50 era in April. Xoxo

      • Prez says:
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        @ashtray: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    • matt says:
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      I hope you find a quality psychologist or another site to troll…

    • Shawn of the livid says:
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      @TheMacestOfDaddys: Been reading this site for a few years. Funny how theres always some douche troll that throws up a few comments/suggestions then you never hear from them again. Seems like one every couple months. Grey takes the high road every time and ignores them.

      And Macest, opposition doesn’t get you banned. Being an annoying fool who over posts might do the trick though.

      • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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        @Shawn of the livid: if he was banned, just how did he post about it. he’s simply trying to make it seem like his quest to be a continuing assface didn’t end by his own hand (and or his own boredom), which it hopefully does.

  29. Sky

    Sky says:
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    I think those that need to know will know what this means and those who don’t, well, it’s all good (audio NSFW):

    • Cram It says:
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      @Sky: Dammit, I can’t play it at work. Although I still think I know.

        • Cram It says:
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          @Sky: Same thing. Black screen with the play button that’s not playing. It’s not the firewall but it could be the software setting here. I wouldn’t take my word for it.

          • Sky

            Sky says:
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            Weird…does YouTube work at work? Could be a java thing. Either way, sounds like you may have something to enjoy when you get home

            • J-FOH says:
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              @Sky: you sure do love Empire
              Records. Is that your guity please movie? Mine is Moonstruck

              • Grey

                Grey says:
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                I thought it was Half Baked

                • Sky

                  Sky says:
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                  Why you gotta make me feel inferior because I’m workin’ the grill, B? Damn!

                  • Grey

                    Grey says:
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                    Yeah, have no idea if that’s a line from it…

                    • Sky

                      Sky says:
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                      It’s cool, Grey, you can still hang with us.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Sure, as long as it’s not to watch Half Baked

                    • Sky

                      Sky says:
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                      You’re gonna have to sit out on the porch for about an hour and half then.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      With credits

                    • Sky

                      Sky says:
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                      It might take 2.5 hours, actually. For all the pauses to take in ‘herbal refreshment’.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Ask Siri if yesterday was a holiday

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Oh, I see…

                    • Sky

                      Sky says:
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                      I got your Siri right ‘ere! *grabs crotch*

                      I only have an iPotato 4…sans the ‘S’

                    • Sky

                      Sky says:
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                      Ok, I just googled it out of curiosity…wow. Still a more important one than Talk Like A Pirate Day but c’mon…why in lord sweet eff do we have that and the day after the Super Bowl still isn’t a national holiday! Get it together .gov!

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Ha… Hope you got your women a card in appreciation of it…

                    • Sky

                      Sky says:
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                      women? I mean, I’m no Lothario Sky over here and I’m not gonna get one of those cards about that for my moms, dawg…

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Ha

              • Sky

                Sky says:
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                Ha, haven’t seen it in years but it has some great scenes. Rex Manning Day should be a real thing.

    • Count de Monetball says:
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      @Sky: I love LIV!

      • Sky

        Sky says:
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        There are moments I see her father in her face…but the jokes on him. Still fapped to it!

    • Wake Up says:
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      @Sky: HA!

    • Jay says:
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      @Sky: So you’re implying that MacestofDaddy’s wants to write for Razzball…

      HIs name’s not fuckin Warren.

      • Sky

        Sky says:
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        Well with all the name changes, I think it should be. Keeps it easier for us.

        • goodfold2 says:
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          @Sky: empire records wasn’t the best movie, but it does harken back to the days where we used to actually be able to see if hot girls were still hot (and just how often), even when they shaved their heads. Ah the 90’s. This is a particularly apt scene, also would have excepted the scene with the 2 skateboaders who wanted to get published in High Fidelity who rob the record store.

  30. Theo says:
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    6 team keep forever league.. Keep 8
    Current keepers – Goldy, Edwin, Hosmer, Kipnis, Puig, Darvish, Max, Bum.

    Do I trade Darvish and a 6th rd pick for Wright and a 3rd rd pick?

    • Cram It says:
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      @Theo: Hold

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Theo: I’d trade Bum for a 3B if that’s what you need…

    • Paul says:
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      @Theo: you needn’t keep 3 SPs in 6 team league.
      But also Bum for good 3B may not be acceptable unless he eager for SP.

  31. costaricanchata says:
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    polling the audience .
    appreciate any and all opinion .

    14 team keeper … 5×5 roto vanilla (except only 4 OF)
    keep 10
    1650 max. IP

    Elvis Andrus ?
    Nolan Arenado
    José Bautista ?
    Melky Cabrera
    Robinson Canó ?
    Starlin Castro ?
    Zack Cozart
    Allen Craig ?
    Yoenis Céspedes ?
    Josh Hamilton ?
    Jonathan Lucroy
    Mike Moustakas ?
    Ryan Raburn
    Nate Schierholtz
    Justin Smoak
    Mark Trumbo ?
    Juan Uribe
    Will Venable

    Chris Archer
    Alex Cobb
    Yu Darvish ?
    Félix Hernández ?
    Joe Kelly
    Clayton Kershaw ?
    David Price ?
    Francisco Rodríguez
    Tyson Ross
    Huston Street

    thanking you , in advance .

    • Cram It says:
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      @costaricanchata: Geeze, I’d keep that stud rotation.
      Darvish, Fher, Kershaw,
      Andrus, Arenado, Cano, Bautista, Cespedes, Hamilton, Castro

      • costaricanchata says:
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        @Cram It:
        tough , throwing price and cobb back into the pool .

    • EnglishMetsFan says:
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      @costaricanchata: If there are no salary cap, or losing pick penalties, I would imagine

      Elvis Andrus José Bautista Robinson Canó Yoenis Céspedes
      Yu F-Her Kershaw Price Cobb. Then trade an arm.

      Hamilton if you can/want to trade him.

      • costaricanchata says:
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        @EnglishMetsFan:
        yeah .
        went with the idea of trying to trade some pitching pre-keeper date .
        (hate throwing any of those SP’s back into the pool)
        tried getting trout … for cano / felix / (and archer , i believe).
        but that fell through .
        trying to go after guys like cargo , bring too much risk for what i’m offering .

        also , if i’m going to dump some stud SP’s , i’d want trade with a team that is not going
        to pass me in the standings .
        trouble is … so few lower echelon teams have stud hitters .

        • Wake Up says:
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          @costaricanchata: What about Price + Trumbo for an upgrade on your last keeper?

          • costaricanchata says:
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            @Wake Up:

            trumbo’s batting average leaves him a tough sell .
            still , with a chance at 40 HR’s … making him the adam dunn
            of the 20 teens … few are seeing his value .

            again , hate throwing cobb , price and archer back into the pool .

            • Wake Up says:
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              @costaricanchata: I’m saying keep the 3 arms + one of Cobb and Price…

              Trade the other one…Cobb/Price + your last keeper hitter for an upgraded hitter…

    • costaricanchata says:
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      @costaricanchata:
      yeah .
      there are no rounds penalties .
      draft just commences with the 11th .

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @costaricanchata: Elvis Andrus ?

      José Bautista ?

      Robinson Canó ?

      Allen Craig ?
      Yoenis Céspedes ?

      Mark Trumbo ?

      Alex Cobb
      Yu Darvish ?
      Félix Hernández ?
      Clayton Kershaw ?

      • costaricanchata says:
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        @Grey:

        must have been difficult for you to recommend keeping 4 SP’s .
        still , am buoyed by your confidence in cobb over price .

        in fact , it was because of cobb that i came up with the scatter-brain
        idea of a massive over-pay .
        settled on craig / archer / king felix … for goldy .
        team that i traded with finished with 79.5 points (me with 92) , but lost
        halladay .
        champ had 112 points .. but i finished with 8’s in Runs/SB’s/and SV’s
        and only a 3 in average … so yeah , (Wake UP) , it would have been nice trading trumbo .
        plus , only acquired craig in june in a lop-sided trade …(guy really wanted a closer) ,
        so i wasn’t too attached to him .

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          It’s not that much of an overpay, I actually like that deal for you… You have a great pitching staff, probably too good…You need to focus on hitters at the draft…

  32. Wake Up says:
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    Push back from the typewriter…

    Put the Dark and Stormy down…

    Go get some sun on your face…

    Take a deep breath…

    Repeat…

      • Wake Up says:
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        @Grey: Just the thought of trying to decide between pee and poop and Chaz Bono has me cracking up…

        Also, the thought of how does Chaz Bono now pee is pretty interesting…

        Pee/Poop is the key people…without it…you’re full of shit!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          HA! I just want people to be at their drafts asking themselves if it’s time for Chaz Bono or a pee and poop…

          • Wake Up says:
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            @Grey: HAHAHA…there’s no Harvey in the Harvey tier…If only I could find Harvey…he’d know where Chaz Bono would poop right now…

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Crazy thing is Chaz now poops standing up…

              • J-FOH says:
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                @Grey: what about when you pee out your butt because the antibiotics you are on are wrecking havoc on your insides…..what’s that?

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Are you asking for a ‘friend?’

                  • J-FOH says:
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                    @Grey: yeah that’s it, I’m not currently on antibiotics and I have been as regular as choo’s 20/20

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Ha!

                • Jay says:
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                  @J-FOH: gross and inappropriate….

                • Wake Up says:
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                  @J-FOH: alright, alright, alright…

                  yogurt…

  33. FMFBL says:
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    This is really cool, smart idea too.

    Question though, does this have any variance when in a league of QS instead of Wins or are we just looking at K, WHIP, lotto tickets?

    Reason I ask is that I’m keeping JoFer dirt cheap but I’m still inclined to pair him with another stud, at worst Hammels and then take later SP with good WHIP. Thoughts?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @FMFBL: Yeah, you need better starters in a QS league… Depends what you mean by a stud, but I’d keep J-Fer and take another pitcher in my top 20 that’s still after him…

  34. Fargin Icehole says:
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    I am in the third round of a 10 team 2 catcher Yahoo league with 7 keepers, so round 10.
    My team:
    Fargin Iceholes

    Albert Pujols (LAA – 1B)
    Ian Kinsler (Det-2B)
    Elvis Andrus (Tex – SS)
    Adrian Gonzalez LAD-CI
    Carlos González (Col – OF)
    José Bautista (Tor – OF)
    Justin Upton (Atl – OF)
    Shin-Soo Choo (Tex – OF)
    Cliff Lee (Phi – P)

    My question is should I grab Billy Hamilton for my last OF to try and lock up steals, or go for more power?

    Thanks for all of the great work!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Fargin Icehole: No idea of your options, but Hamilton’s fine…

      • Fargin Icehole says:
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        @Grey:
        Thanks
        Top Available Hitters: A Gordon, A Rizzo, Billy Butler
        Top Available Pitchers: A. Cobb, H. Bailey, J. Teheran

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Take an SP

  35. The Average and Anonymous Joe says:
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    Hey Razzballers…

    I’m in two leagues with weekly transaction limits of 3 with the below roster setup:

    C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OF, OF, OF, UTIL
    SP, SP, RP, RP, P, P, P
    B, B, B, B, B

    How should I consider drafting pitching considering the move limits? Does it change anything or should I proceed with offense heavy drafting early “I could see drafting one of these guys if they’re there (stutterer!).”?

      • The Average and Anonymous Joe says:
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        @Grey: One is 10, the other is 12.

        I think go offense heavy with the ten, because there will be plenty of options later.

        The 12 I’m more concerned about.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @The Average and Anonymous Joe: 10 and 12 teams doesn’t change much… If you want to go a little heavy in the 12 team one, that’s fine, you should be good just following my advice above…

  36. joeg414 says:
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    The 6th pick in a 13 team snake 6×6 roto mixed league. If Trout, Cabrera, Goldschmidt,McCutchen and Cano are gone; whom woukld be the next best hitter to pick: CaGo,Ellsbury,Beltre, Hanley, Prince or TuLo?
    Thanks for the feedback.

      • The Thumb says:
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        @Grey: People really don’t like Jones huh

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Garrett Jones?

          • The Thumb says:
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            @Grey: Haha

  37. hondo says:
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    When I first read this post right after it came out,my first thought was”This is why you wait until AFTER the season to buy Grey daiquiris.”

  38. c0wfunk says:
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    As with last year, this is my favorite post of the preseason. I love trying to decipher your ramblings. If this helps anyone, I figured out these 7 formulas from what you put above.. If you can decipher THAT you get another gold star.

    1/2 6 7 2*9 11/12
    3 5/6/7 9 11 12 11/12
    3 7 9 9 11/12 11/12
    3 7 7 9 11/12 11/12
    5 2*7 2*9 11/12
    5 6/7 6/7 9 9 11/12
    5 5 9 9 11/12 11/12

    ::Now my question::
    I’ve got a 25 man roster this year in our 12 team h2h weekly categories scoring league. We have 2 RP slots and 3 open pitcher slots daily. Hitters are typical 8 pos plus 2 util so I start 10.

    In the last few seasons people have gotten more into streaming so I have to fight for that resource. Also a typical tactic has been going with quantity to lockup Ks and Wins. This being the case, I am planning to load up on pitching in the draft a little more than usual, in the mid to late rounds targeting good buys from your lists..

    Right now I’m thinking 10 starters and 2 relievers. and 13 hitters. How would you proportion?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @c0wfunk: Ha, nice… 10/2 sounds fine… I’d probably go 9/3…

      • c0wfunk says:
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        @Grey: ah so, interesante. I hadn’t even considered 3 relievers. Would 1 be a middle relief whip stabilizer type or you thinking 3 closers?

        Thanks!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Depends on league size…

          • c0wfunk says:
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            @Grey: 12 team, 25 man rosters.. so 300 players off the board.

            • c0wfunk says:
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              @c0wfunk: Also, people tend to overvalue closers in this league so I end up letting them and waiting til the very end to grab my guys.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              2 closers, 1 MR…Or 3 closers…

              • c0wfunk says:
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                @Grey: mk thanks. Since you answered that so eloquently I have a bonus round:

                a. If you were expanding the above to 9 pitchers, how would you balance the tiers for the extra 3? Assume I’m following your ideal pairing scenario.

                b. do you keep a straight face whilst typing “pee and poop tier” over and over all day today?

                c. well you know

                thank you kindly sir.

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  A. more pee/poop and the last two tiers… B. Of course

                  • c0wfunk says:
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                    @Grey: Then you are a master of your craft. Cheers and thanks again.

                    • Grey

                      Grey says:
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                      Ha, no problem

  39. Jon says:
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    Ever thought about doing something like this for outfielders?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I have, but I’m not sure it’s as necessary, might revisit it…

      • Sky

        Sky says:
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        My two cents, I think it wouldn’t be an accurate thing to do. Your counting stats from your OF are going to be predicated by who you draft around your IF. Too many factors that have nothing to do with how you draft your OF would have to be accounted for, IMHO.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yeah, I tend to agree…

          • Jon says:
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            @Grey: OK yeah, that makes sense.

  40. The Thumb says:
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    Happy almost weekend Grey,

    My personal starter enigma this year is Anibal Sanchez. He can’t possibly be as good as he was last year can he? He went from a high 3 era and 7-8 K rates to top 10 starter last year. Is that 9 plus K rate really for real? I read your ranking of him so do you think he’s finally reaching his peak or in position for a huge let down?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      You too! I went over Anibal in my rankings…

  41. 2 Giant rings says:
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    When you say you need an ace in a 20 team league, would Gio Gonzalez qualify? I like to wait until the 7th round or so to draft my first pitcher but it sounds like I should be grabbing one in the the fourth or fifth if I need an ace such as Sale. Thx

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      7th round in a 20 team league is pick 140…I don’t see how Gio is around then…

  42. Shidesthelimit says:
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    Will there be any posts on auction strategy? Thanks, as always, love the blogs.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yup, there will be… No problem…

  43. claw dog says:
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    hey grey, great post btw.

    in my keeper league I have 8 keepers, 2 of which are Scherzer and Cobb. Since I kept 2 top tier starters, which tier would you suggest me going with for my 3rd starter? I imagine I could wait a little while to draft another pitcher so I can fill out my batting.

    Thanks again!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks! How many teams?

      • claw dog says:
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        @Grey: it’s a 12 team H2H 5×5

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          You can jump to Matt Harvey and pee/poop… Just like above, just click Scherzer…

  44. Chin Music says:
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    I have wheeled and dealed 6 trades since last season’s trade deadline in my 12 team 8 x 8 roto Keeper League and managed to get some sort of value for all the extra players I wouldn’t have been able to keep in 2014 (I get to keep 10):

    Gone are Yadier Molina, Alex Rios, Miguel Sano, James Shields, Francisco Liriano, Danny Salazar & Zack Wheeler

    New additions are Ian Kinsler, Jay Bruce, Felix Hernandez & Gerrit Cole.

    10 keepers now look like this: Allen Craig, Ian Kinsler, Xander Bogaerts, Edwin Encarnacion, Ryan Braun, Jacoby Ellsbury, Jay Bruce, Felix hernandez, Gerritt Cole, Michael Wacha.

    I’ve got the #1 overall pick in the supplemental draft. I will be taking Buxton and waiting a year.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Sounds good!

  45. Jay says:
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    keeper question…I know how you love them.

    10 tm H2H, we keep 5. league is 6×6 includes traditional 5×5 and QS and Total Bases.

    which five are your keepers:
    Votto, Felix, Strasburg, beltre, Stanton, Kipnis

    I really like both pitchers, but leaning towards keeping only one and moving the other. Do you rank Stras higher in a keeper? I know they are in the same tier.

    • Chin Music says:
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      Cut Beltre loose. As great as he’s been the past few years, he’s 35 (and been in the bigs since he was like 18). I had Aramis Ramirez as a keeper last season during his age 35 season, and it turns out his floor was a sinkhole. I would follow the old Branch Rickey rule that it’s better to cut a guy loose a year too early than a year too late.

      • Chin Music says:
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        Says the guy who dealt Rios straight up for Bruce in his keeper league last night.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Not Kipnis

      • Jay says:
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        @Grey: quick question…

        you’re recommending to keep both pitchers and throwing back Kipnis. is this due in part to the QS stat?

        Keeperwise I almost feel like moving Beltre would be my best bet, but I think dude has one more big stat year maybe two, especially hitting 4th in that lineup.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yes, and I don’t love Kipnis, see rankings

          • Jason says:
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            @Grey: in the same situation would you keep the adverb over kipnis too?

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Nope

  46. frankgrimes says:
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    thank you

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Grimey!

  47. Cram It says:
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    Just want to commend everyone for handling that cockroach/jellyfish/troll the proper way. Protect this house! Butt slaps all around.

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      • Cram It says:
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        @Sky: OK, now THAT is firewall protected. It’ll have to wait until I have a beer in my hand.

        • Sky

          Sky says:
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          Ha! You might find something eles in your hand later…but we don’t need to know about that…

          • Wake Up says:
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            @Sky: the 2nd head smells like it needs to be tuned…

            • Sky

              Sky says:
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              Ha! I’m wondering what he used for the bass drum pedal…

          • Cram It says:
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            @Sky: You suuuuuure you don’t want to know. There’s a very good chance it will be a boob.

            • Sky

              Sky says:
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              Pics or it didn’t happen! And moobs don’t count…sorry Billy Butler.

              • Cram It says:
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                @Sky: Ha. I’ve never tried that move before. Getting them to send me pics, sure. Getting them to let me take the pic myself…not in my bag of tricks.

                • goodfold2 says:
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                  @Cram It: makes you want to take drum lessons.

      • Count de Monetball says:
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        @Sky: Ha! Sky, where do you find this stuff…. f’n great!!!

      • Count de Monetball says:
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        @Sky: Ha! Sky, where do you find this stuff…. f’n great!!!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha

  48. c0wfunk says:
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    12 teams / 25 man rosters .. more scenario questions…

    Guys(greynking/adp) like Bailey(58/114), Teheran(59/136), and Cobb(54/142) have ADPs right now considerably lower than your rankings. I’m assuming that if you get down to the rounds where you’d grab a matt harvey guy, say 10th / 12th round, you would substitute a guy from tier 1 / 3 / 5 / 6?

    I know some tiers are full of more gambly guys so I guess i’m wondering mostly how you compensate for the difference in your perception and where others are valuing them.

    My league is like most where there are only a few people who get beyond just looking at the espn list and taking one of the guys near the top, so I’m looking to take advantage.

    adps culled from fantasy pros site.

    • c0wfunk says:
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      @c0wfunk: Using this approach I bet I could cull together a staff like this, without reaching very much at all.. Maybe too heavy on upside guys like Teheran / Cobb / Salazar / Porcello tho

      Bumgarner
      Bailey
      Teheran
      Cobb
      Salazar
      Kuroda
      Porcello
      Kluber
      Tillman

      OR

      A.Sanchez
      Bailey
      Teheran
      Cobb
      Salazar
      Gray
      Tillman
      Porcello
      Kluber

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        As long as they’re pitchers I like (which they are), then it should work out…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’d take them a few rounds later and grab more hitters…

      • c0wfunk says:
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        @Grey: yes yes. More hitters. I think my problem is the hitters around 100-140 are so freakin boring it makes me want to just look at this wonderful group of pitchers. Did anyone mention yet that pitching is deep this year? Something I’ve noticed.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Ha

  49. c0wfunk says:
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    Smyly, Delgado, Beachy, Masterson, Fister, All of these guys are currently going 2-3 rounds at least after you have them. Some of them more like 4-5

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Better for us!

  50. Principle Blackman says:
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    I just want to say thank you very very very much for posting the 2014 tiers! As I recall that feature was M.I.A. last year.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      It was here

    • goodfold2 says:
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      @Principle Blackman: it was most def here, i used it to get scherzer/bailey/niese/peavy/gee/milone assorted others even in a 16 teamer.

  51. Bulldozer says:
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    Hey Grey,

    What do you do if you already have a pitcher (say Gio) and then say Liriano is still available in the 10th round? Would you take two people from that tier even though your ideal is just one pitcher?

    Thanks for all your advice. It’s great!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’d take him, sure… No problem

    • Cram It says:
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      @Bulldozer: I would. You would already have 8 bats by then.

  52. gareth says:
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    Its weird seeing a troll on here. You can tell from his comments though that he was trying to get a rise/reaction. pretty sad really.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yup

  53. gareth says:
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    I used the tool and got Darvish, Cain, Tanaka, Medlen, Cashner, Jimenez.

    If I end up with that staff I’d be ecstatic. (The last choice was actually the toughest between Burnett, Jimenez and samardzija).

    A very handy tier tool to add to my drafting kit!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Cool

  54. gareth says:
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    The tier with Tanaka is kinda odd looking. its this random Asian dude hanging with a bunch of young guys (Salazar, Cole, Grey ect).

    A real boom / bust tier, relying on upside and the unknown.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yup

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      HA!

  55. Swfcdan says:
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    The FBI is watching you!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I know!

  56. Chin Music says:
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    I have to question the idea of going on the cheap with starting pitching. If pitching is so deep, then the teams with the Kershaws & Darvishes are going to be filling the back of their rotations while teams on the cheap will still filling out their middle starters. Sure, you could find a group of nice starters late who can guide you to a Team ERA around 3.50. Except that a team ERA of 3.50 might be among the worst in your league if other guys have workhorse stud pitchers with ERAs closer to 2.50 or 2.75. A team ERA around 3.50 might not be much different than having one around 4.00 I don’t disagree that the first few rounds should definitely go to hitters, but if you are waiting to take your first SP until 20 other SP are already off the board, then you are asking to finish last in the pitching categories. Just sayin’.

    • c0wfunk says:
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      @Chin Music: Last year if you picked a top 10 pitcher you only had a 30% (Kershaw, Lee, Darvish) chance of that pitcher ending the season as a top 10 pitcher. In 2012 there was a 60% chance (Verlander, Kershaw, Price, Cain, Weaver, Hamels). So knowing that and looking at the top 10 this year, what is your chance that you will have picked one of them?

      That’s the main point of the strategy, I think. A key second point is that there are always surprises in the top 40 pitchers that could be drafted much later. A few of which are available after the season begins. The trick of course then becomes identifying which pitchers those will be!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I said I’d draft Jose Fernandez, he’s nowhere near the 20th pitcher off the board…

    • Cram It says:
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      @Chin Music: All I know is that every year I’ve drafted a “stud” pitcher early, I’ve lost. Sure, you have to be savvy and a little lucky molding your rotation from rounds 7-10 and beyond, like one comprised of MiKe Minor, JoFer, Shelby Miller, Iwakuma from last year, but that’s the goal of Grey’s rankings/tiers, to identify those guys that you can get on the cheap so you don’t have to spend $50 on a Kershaw.

      • Chin Music says:
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        I guess my logic is also based on my league settings. we have a 1750 IP cap. Not every team uses all those IP, but many do. K/IP rate is pretty crucial, especially if you don’t have a couple of closers who rack up 100K. A guy like Jered Weaver is a decent pitcher in real life, but will kill you in my league with his low K rate.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          That’s a lot of innings…and I draft for Ks, one of the few reliable stats…

  57. JiggyNits says:
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    You gave me some keeper advice earlier in the year – but I’m thinking about dealing Waino.

    Both in last year of keeper status, how do you feel about Wainwright(11$) for Harper (10$)

    Other possible keepers include:
    Carpenter (9)
    Gyorko (1)
    Samardzija (1)
    JoFer (19)
    Wacha (10)
    Chapman (3)

    • JiggyNits says:
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      @JiggyNits: NL only roto, BB Instead of R scored, and thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’d take Harper

  58. Swfcdan says:
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    So basically just skip all the opening text/twaddle and skip to the storybook adventure links below right?!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yup

  59. Swfcdan says:
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    You forgot to apologise to all the people googling “pee and poop combo” who were disappointed. Sorry…dirty joke.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha

  60. Alex says:
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    Which side you want for not just this yr but next three or so?

    Gardner/Des Jennings

    A Jax/Howie K

    The Team getting Howie K only has Ackley at 2B

    Keep everyone forever league

    Thank you

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      It’s fair, take what you need…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Howie side is better for future years though

      • Alex says:
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        @Grey: Thanks

  61. J-FOH says:
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    I think me need more razzball gear. I vote for the razzball poncho

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Considering we’ve sold about 3 shirts in 6 months, I’m not going to invest in a designer making more gear

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Grey: I’m going to have to go custom…..with a matching sombrero of course

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Maybe that’s what everyone else did that said they wanted shirts prior to me having someone design them…

          • J-FOH says:
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            @Grey: I did make a SAGNOF hat at Lids

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Damn you!

              • J-FOH says:
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                @Grey: I can get one for you too

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  I’m okay…Thanks!

          • Count de Monetball says:
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            @Grey: Dammit Grey, I wanted the Who is Grey Albright shirt. Like the others, but I was hoping that if that shirt got around a little bit we could slowly uncover your true identity…

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Ha

      • Big Al says:
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        @Grey: When’s the shirt blow out coming ???

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Haha

  62. Joebob says:
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    grey, do you recommend same strategies in NL only auction keeper league? As in: avoid paying for top tier starters and avoid spending over 30 on a play? Or do you shift that a bit? Thanks ahead of time.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, it would work there too… No one over $30…

  63. Joebob says:
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    Players not play. 10 teamer Btw

  64. Kid A says:
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    Arrival of the new draft season starts the autopsy on my previous year’s efforts to try and learn something. Anything. I’m always amazed at how little of what I draft remains by the close of the season. I average about 4-5 draftees that make it the whole way.

    I’m curious what other people encounter.

    • SwaggerJackers says:
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      @Kid A:

      13 out of 26 made it to the end of the season in my primary keeper league.

      • SwaggerJackers says:
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        @SwaggerJackers:

        14 out of 27 in my other league.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’m the same way in shallower leagues… A league like the RCL and I might only have 6 guys at the end of the year… Deeper leagues is different cause of the lack of better options…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Where are you now, anyway?

      • Kid A says:
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        @Grey: Yeah I was speaking mainly to run-of-the-mill 12 team redrafts, like an RCL. You and the Steves were having some interesting conversations at the end of the season about draft strategies. Granted, you have to grab guys if they fall too far, but coming out of the gate carpet-bombing Mid Relief and stacking on short days seems… It’s not rocket surgery…I’ve already said too much…

        As for me, back in El Salvador for the next short bit. Either South Africa or Oakland in June. Not sure. YOU HEAR THAT FBI?!?!

        If it’s California, that doughy twat Jack owes me and Prezzii lots of booze for us trouncing him (and Sky) in his own football league this year.

        • J-FOH says:
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          @Kid A: the best you can hope for at this point is 40’s and a fight club

          • Kid A says:
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            @J-FOH: that’s all we’ve ever wanted.

            • J-FOH says:
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              @Kid A: great we’ll meet at Prezzi’s makeshift shantytown

              • Kid A says:
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                @J-FOH: Nothing makeshift about it. He is very deliberate. Silence of the Lambs deliberate. Everything is scream-proof.

                • J-FOH says:
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                  @Kid A: so you’ve been there…did you have to put on the lotion?

                  • Kid A says:
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                    @J-FOH: I just brought him a teacup poodle and some tuck-tape for Brooke. I never actually went inside: I may be crazy, but I’m not crazy.

                    • J-FOH says:
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                      @Kid A: A Brooke drop…it never gets old

                    • Prez says:
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                      ill bring the moonshine and zig zags yall!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Ha… I was talking to Oaktown, Rudy and others about this last season, it just seems odd to draft middle relievers you know you will drop… Safe travels!

  65. SwaggerJackers says:
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    Time to punt Delgado from your rankings. Sounds like the Arroyo will push him out of the rotation.

    :/

    PS: The pre-checked “join our newsletter” is a little shady.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I removed him already…Sucks, I was looking forward to drafting him…

  66. Alex says:
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    Very nice writeup

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks!

  67. gareth says:
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    Arizona are going to start Bronson Arroyo, Trevor Cahill, wade miley, Brandon McCarthy and Patrick Corbin.

    Corbin is decent, but there’s not much fantasy value in that staff. Silver lining – At least Randall Delgado and Archie Bradley are nice sleepers in the minors if one of those guys gets injured.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Yeah, Delgado will probably be in the bullpen though

  68. gareth says:
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    Is there a correlation between high strikeout guys and high whip? If so do you recommend drafting a control artist to offset this somewhat?

    Whip was the one stat that killed me last year……….

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Sometimes a guy stops throwing as hard to get Ks and harnesses his control…

  69. gareth says:
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    With Arroyo down, I see Burnett returning to Pittsburgh, jiminez to Toronto and Ervin Santana to??????

    Who do you think lands big Erv, grey?

    • Kid A says:
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      @gareth:
      Must be that time of the year…G3 in full effect. Get it tiger!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Rangers

      • goodfold2 says:
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        @Grey: damn that’s not cool, i have him (also very expensive this year at 11.2 mil out of 100) in deep ass dynasty. TEX ain’t doing him no favors.

  70. johnny says:
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    Such good writer grey. Is Archie Bradely going to be relevant in 10 tm league? Draftable or just grab him once he seems to be blazin foos.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks! Probably not ten team relevant until around June at the earliest…

  71. tony says:
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    pee poop!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Ha!

  72. J-FOH says:
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    My buddy was going to a Sonny Gray appearance today and refuses to get you an autographed picture that says “Nice stache”

    • Kid A says:
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      @J-FOH: I look forward to your Creeper of the Week articles. Hand in Glove.

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Kid A: I plan on being the creepiest creeper yet

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Damn him!

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Grey: Right? he says it’s for the kids, I say screw the kids, I will trounce them all to get to the head of the line. He should have more respect for you

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          I could be his kid, did he ever leave in Jersey?

          • J-FOH says:
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            @Grey: you mean he could be yours?

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              I was thinking he was my poppa!

              • J-FOH says:
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                @Grey: he doesn’t look Jewish

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  Not all us do

    • J-FOH says:
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      @Kid A: f**k I can’t believe I’m doing this but do you want to play in our FC league….god I hate you….but I also hate myself and you never let me forget it

        • J-FOH says:
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          @Kid A: email me at jfoh65 at yahoo with the email you want me to send it to. I should of had third in that league

          • Prez says:
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            @J-FOH: soooo… What all leagues do you want me in? Im getting in an RCL off top.. then my league with my homies… And then are we doing a FCL? Geezus… Im gonna be in 10 leagues by opening day…

            • Prez says:
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              Is there going to be a league that you are making? Like football?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I hope so, I like him this year

      • J-FOH says:
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        @Grey: I thought he already was 225. adding weight is never a good thing

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Maybe he picked up Sandoval’s excess…

          • Kid A says:
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            @Grey: I thought Jack was the one who hoovered up all the extra Lbs. in the world?

            • J-FOH says:
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              @Kid A: how big do you think I am?

              • Kid A says:
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                @J-FOH: magnificently so.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Ha

  73. letsgobravos says:
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    What’s up grey and co.? Hope you guys have had a good winter thus far. Time for me to start studying up for drafts next month.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      What’s up, man? Good to see you!

      • letsgobravos says:
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        @Grey: Looking forward to the start of the season! Had a great fantasy football year after a disappointing end to baseball season coming up just short of titles in both leagues. I started a new job right at the beginning of last october and the hours can be fairly long. Trying to decide how many leagues to do this year. I would like to do 3-4, but I don’t want to over commit and end up not having enough time to manage as actively in every league as I would like.

        First question of the year for me. Who’s my middle to late round pitcher that will turn to gold this year? I’m riding a 3 year streak of grabbing a Cy Young winner in the 6th to 10th rounds. Verlander 3 years ago, then Gio, and last year Scherzer. All thanks to your rankings. Who are some good candidates this year?

        • Prez says:
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          @letsgobravos: pitching too deep to tell…

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          You need to go through the posts and read it… I’ve pointed out a few guys… Check out Cole’s tier in the top 40 starters post…

  74. Tom says:
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    Thoughts?
    12 team mixed h2h

    Salvador Perez – C
    Prince Fielder – 1B
    Adam Jones – OF
    Alex Rios – OF
    Curtis Granderson – OF
    Nolan Arenado – 3B
    Jurickson Profar – 2B
    Elvis Andrus – SS
    Anthony Rizzo – DH
    Chris Sale – SP
    Sonny Gray – SP
    Danny Salazar – SP
    Zack Wheeler – SP
    Randall Delgado – SP
    Kevin Gausman – SP
    Bobby Parnell – RP

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Delgado just lost his job, but I like the pitching, more than the hitting… Hitting’s not bad though, don’t like Grandy…

  75. SwaggerJackers says:
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    ESPN released their official Top 300 rankings. Some huge discrepancies from these Razzrankings for anyone to exploit who uses ESPN:

    Player: Razz Rank / ESPN Rank
    Bautista 14 / 47
    Pujols 12 / 52
    Segura 28 / 73
    Myers 47 / 81
    Rizzo 60 / 106
    Cobb 54 / 121
    Gyorko 88 / 156
    Salazar 123 / 180
    Sonny Gray 101 / 182
    Liriano 70 / 197
    Brad Miller 143 / 299

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Some I can understand… Segura’s at 73?! Liriano’s at 197?! Miller’s at 299 — haha

      • SwaggerJackers says:
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        @Grey: Cobb outside the top 100 is a pleasant surprise.

        Gray and Liriano outside the top 180 guarantees lots of Razznation teams will have them.

        Oh yeah, and Calhoun and Garcia aren’t even in the top 300

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Well, as you saw last week with Rudy’s rankings review, ESPN isn’t good.

          • goodfold2 says:
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            @Grey: Myers almost exactly where you said at the end of last year he’d get taken this year. Can’t believe Pujols that low, seems like ESPN’s old guys being good for many years after would actual increase Pujols’ standing.

    • Mr.Blonde says:
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      @SwaggerJackers: Will ESPN tweak these ranking any before the height of draft season?

      • SwaggerJackers says:
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        @Mr.Blonde: Yep, but more for injuries and position battle announcements. Not so much for opinion-based adjustments.

        For example, Liriano won’t shoot up 50 spots if he has a good spring training but Farquhar (or whatever his name is) will fall out of the rankings now that he’s not a closer.

  76. John E Depth says:
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    Keeper league, 300$ salary…
    Would you keep Matt Harvey for 13$ this season? I have 25 total roster spots, 3 DL spots. He’ ll be 16$ next year if I keep him. I sorta think Harvey will pretty much pick up where he left off next year after TJ surgery although his innings may be capped. But I may be able to get him in the auction fairly cheap next year if no one picks him up…thanks in advance.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I wouldn’t keep him for $13

  77. Dratsab says:
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    Grey thanks to your advise on pitching I have won my 14 team keeper league three years running. Largely I combine your parameters with the idea of spend no money on pitching. so I can have lots of offence.
    This year I go into the fray with
    Price $17
    Zimmerman $12
    Iwakuma $1
    Porcello $1
    Peavy $1
    Kluber $5
    Estrada $1
    Reed $1
    Farquer $5
    Spending $44 of $260 on pitching.
    I am looking to trade Price for someone from Thisclose or dumpling face to cut this price even more..
    Is this wise or should I leave well enuff alone?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Depends who you can get, but $17 for Price isn’t bad at all…

  78. Mr.Blonde says:
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    Outstanding article Grey. I read this one last year and it really was a revelation for thinking about pitching values.

    Enjoy the drinks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks!

  79. fitz says:
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    Keep any 5 with no round or auction value penalty.

    Rizzo
    Segura
    Bruce
    Miggy
    Jose Reyes
    David Price
    Scherzer
    Jose Fernandez
    Kenley Jansen

    Was thinking Segura, Bruce, Miggy, Scherzer, Jose Fernandez

    Agree?

    • SwaggerJackers says:
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      @fitz: I wouldn’t be surprised if Mr. G swaps out one of your SPs with Rizzo.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Those make sense

  80. Brett says:
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    13 team 5×5 260 auction keeper league (note: pricing at draft is Cabrera $70, Kershaw $65). Won last year and have this pitching staff currently:

    SP: Darvish – 41
    SP: Price – 43
    SP: Gio – 15
    SP: Cobb – 10
    SP: Grey – 5
    RP: Nathan – 5
    RP: Open

    Do I move Price for a $5 Medlen and $10 Marte (giving me around 32% pitching salary hit) or do I dare keep my current pitching and try to dominate SP cats with a crippling 45% invested in pitching?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Sounds good…

  81. Alex says:
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    So this guy wants Miguel Almonte along with Alex Gordon for Marte in dynasty. Need steals. Do the deal?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Sure

  82. Jon says:
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    Would you deal Medlen for Ortiz? I’m not a big fan of keeping a DH-only guy on my roster, but Ortiz’s bat would be a big upgrade for me at DH (Lawrie is there currently). It would bump Lawrie from a keeper spot, but either way I’m not planning to keep Medlen.

    • Jon says:
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      …or would Beltran be a better target?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Beltran

  83. goodfold2 says:
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    i got only gillaspie (now being listed as backup to davidson, but a week ago when i sent bids was listed as starter, ugh) and jeff baker in bidding. No starting MI cost less than 4 million a year, and I was only bidding no more than 2.3 on anybody (K.johnson, who went for 12 mil, 2 people actually bid 12 mil for johnson). Did i mess up not noticing that ryan flaherty was a starter (and went for only 1.6 mil) at 3B? I got Gillaspie for 1.31 mil. Looks like i’ll be starting
    1.Schumaker for now.
    2. Or keep Ciriaco at a MI slot.

    • goodfold2 says:
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      @goodfold2: i also probably should have bid on tejada (he went for only .75 mil, and i would’ve won him)

    • Simply Fred

      simply fred says:
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      @goodfold2: i am seeing flaherty listed in a platoon situation so don’t look back on missing him.

      • goodfold2 says:
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        @simply fred: thanks, i’m attempting to flip bruce chen for rutledge (or somebody else comparable) currently. I really don’t want Chen at 4.5 million (people need starters in this league, some badly, so i think i have a trade piece here)

  84. Paul says:
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    Hi Grey,

    Am in 8 team ROTO 6×6 (with HD, SV) league and no drop limits, so nice SPs usually in FA and teams add & drop often. I relied on two aces (Kershaw and Wainy) and wash FA SPs so pitching scores are good last year.

    Also, I’ve got Kershaw for keepers already (3 keepers overall).
    It seems like I should draft next SP when my 5th round (target “I’ll let you be my first fantasy starter if I don’t have one yet” or “Chaz Bono” tier)

    How do you think when I should draft my next SP?
    earlier for two aces like last year? or any thoughts appreciated. Thanks,

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I wouldn’t draft another starter until Matt Harvey’s tier

      • Paul says:
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        @Grey: Thanks for comments.
        Harvey ‘s tier is around ranking 100 overal.
        With 3 keepers 8 teams league, I should draft another starter around the 9th round.
        (12th round pick overall, minus 3 keepers each team)

        Is my understanding right? And, draft all hitters before 9th round? Thanks.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Yup

          • Paul says:
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            @Grey: Thanks.
            One more simple question, if score item are K, W, QS, SV, WHIP (no HD), answer still the same? Thanks.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              Yup

  85. Buge Hoobs says:
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    Did I miss your top 20 pairings? … If you take X in the 1st consider Y in the 2nd.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Haven’t posted it yet…

  86. Oppo Taco says:
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    Keep ryan zimmerman/profar/boegarts? can only keep one.No price tags or limit to how long we can keep them. was offered minor for a third round pick as well, thanks

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Zimmerman

  87. slew says:
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    Just noticed the addition of the official Razzball Newsletter to the mix. Miss Cleo didn’t mention anything about this…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Miss Cleo doesn’t really get involved in things until during the season…

  88. Eric says:
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    Grey,

    Dynasty question. I get to keep 4 players. I’m definitely keeping Trout, Bryce, & Miggy My 4th I am having difficulty deciding on. Do I go with Wainwright, Kipnis, or Xander Boegarts? Thanks.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Kipnis

  89. Dan says:
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    Keeper question:

    16 team, OPS league. I need to keep 4:

    Bruce — $31
    Scherzer — $19
    Carlos Gomez — $18
    Billy Hamilton — $1
    Teheran — $1
    Aaron Hill — $1
    Gerrit Cole — $1

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Scherzer, Cole, Gomez, Hamilton

      • Dan says:
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        @Grey: Thanks!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          No problem

  90. goodfold2 says:
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    anybody who has had similar experiences feel free to chime in. I want to see if this is even somewhat common. Deep 30 man dynasty off season free agent bidding for hitters. 100 million budget per team. Some of the crazy bids
    Pierzynski 12 mil 1 year (2 guys bid this much)
    rollins 14.3 mil for 2 years (also a 12 mil bid)
    k.johnson 12 mil (2nd guy bid that much, i went as high as 2.3 mil)
    mercer 7.5 for 3 years (2nd bid 3.2, i went 1.77)
    crawford 12 mil (another bid 11.5)
    mcgahee 5 mil (i went 1.77)
    texiera 18 mil for 13 years!? (2nd guy bid 13.5 for 3 years)
    aviles 4.5 mil for a backup! (i bid 1.33)
    sogard 3.1 mil (last likely to stick starting CI, i bid 1.77)
    and with biggest overbid
    suzuki 10 mil (2nd was only 2 mil)

    • goodfold2 says:
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      @goodfold2: texiera for 3 years, not 13.

  91. Swfcdan says:
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    Starting a new keeper slow draft today. One where we can keep players for min 2 years and max of 6.

    Should I just follow your new rankings for the most part, or do I need to take age into account a bit more and give the younger guys a bump up your rankings?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Follow my rankings… Can bump up younger guys a round or two if you like…

      • Swfcdan says:
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        @Grey: Actually considering pairing an older guy like Longo/Jones with Puig at the end of the first round (im on the wheel, 16 team league) due to his age and skill already. Is Puig crazy talk?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Nope not crazy

  92. goodfold2 says:
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    now that i’m solidly forced into the land of starting a backup,
    1.any 2 of these standout as better (or at least more AB)than the others at MI
    schumaker/ciriaco/solano/herrera (BOS)/descalso/abreu (SF)/turner (LAD)/ punto/nix/e.johnson/lombardozzi/pennington/galvis. other than schumaker whom i’m already paying 1.5 million all the rest would be waivered and cost 400 k mimimum.
    2. would any of these deals be better option, if so which is best
    A. my A-jax 400 K this year (possibly with bruce chen thrown in, or maurer) for brad miller (400k till end of 2016)
    B. Chen (is now listed as 4th starter at KC) for Rutledge
    thanks, as i gotta find somebody to get at bats at 2nd MI after trading Lowrie for Liriano.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      1. Nope 2. B

      • goodfold2 says:
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        @Grey: if i can’t pull off that trade do or don’t do the a-jax for miller one? If neither works i’ll be trading chen for something else (gallo…) and waiting for an injury (good news is, due to this site i’m ahead of curve on those) to somebody to pick up one of these bums when they get at least a short term starting job.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          I wouldn’t do the other one

          • goodfold2 says:
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            @Grey: got it, A-jax simply worth more (likely) long term.

  93. anarchy burger says:
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    yo grey- im gonna have a choice between mccutchen and adam jones with my first round pick. do u think id be crazy to take jones?? i reached a little for jones last year( per your advice). im really not that big on mccutch. i know u have mccutch ahead of jones in the rankings. this will be my third year using your ramkings for my draft. looking forward to another successful year. thanks for all your help. i read religiously everyday. even the comments. cant tell u how much this site helps. my father said if i spent this much time on my chemistry homework id be a doctor. later!!!

    • anarchy burger says:
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      @anarchy burger: ps- its a 5×5 14 teamer

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I’d take McCutchen

  94. Jon says:
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    Which side do you like in a keep forever league? We keep 15, so all are keepers.

    Stanton+Gausman OR Myers+Liriano

    Thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Stanton

  95. MB says:
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    Am I keeping Charlie Morton as my 9th SP (have 8 SP, 3 closers for 9 P spots, 5×5) or Derek Norris as 3rd catcher (have ruiz and wieters in 2C league).

    Thanks

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      You have to keep one? Morton

  96. costaricanchata says:
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    @ Grey :

    in that league where i pulled off the trade for goldy (craig /archer/king felix)
    just traded david price for j-fer (<– he's not related to jfoh , is he ?)

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Wow, great trade

    • goodfold2 says:
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      @costaricanchata: i’m guessing this league is a keeper and you wanted to quality up with goldy and quantity down by flipping those 3 guys? surprised in a keeper anybody would do take just price for jo-fer (isn’t he like 20 still)

  97. Q says:
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    Just finished my 1st legit mock on MDC. 15 teams, didn’t bother with benches. Did it with Tim McLeod, who I think wrote here once upon a time a long time ago. I followed the top 400 ranks, but wanted to recap it here just so you know not to just follow Grey’s rankings, but his ADVICE too.

    1. Get OF early and often. I had pick 8, Adam Jones taken right before me, so I grabbed Cano. Mistake. Then got Fielder in the 2nd, OK so far. Then Segura in Round 3 and I’m feeling ok. But then Pujols dropped to the 4th, so I had to get him. Then got tired of staring at Ian Kinsler at the top of my queue, so thought, heck, good player, grab him.

    Fast forward a bit….and my number ONE OF is Carlos Beltran. And it only got worse from there.

    2. Wait on 2B, SS, and 3B. Arenado was sitting there in round 10 or 11. But I had drafted Donaldson in round 5 or 6. Brandon Phillips was there even later. Brad Miller sat forever. If I was doing it over again, I would have gone OF early and often and been perfectly happy with these guys much later.

    3. SP is even deeper than you think. I got to the point where I HAD to draft “too good” of a staff because there was literally no one else left to get. Got Cobb, Moore, Liriano, Masterson, Porcello, and Peralta.

    4. Don’t lose track of closers. I ended up with Street and then had to grab Hawkins and Qualls because they were literally the only guys left with jobs by the time I got to them. I punted as best I could, but jeez, they are awful.

    5. Do mock drafts! If this had been a money league, I would have been absolutely screwed. Now I’ve learned, go OF early and often (and if I had remembered to closely read the blurbs, I would have remembered that.)

    Taking projections with a grain of salt….but I was 13 out of 15 according to rotowire. Definitely learned something doing this.

    • Q says:
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      @Q:

      As a reference:

      C Jason Castro HOU R8 P8
      C Carlos Ruiz PHI R22 P8
      1B Prince Fielder TEX R2 P8
      2B Robinson Cano SEA R1 P8
      SS Jean Segura MIL R3 P8
      3B Josh Donaldson OAK R5 P8
      CI Albert Pujols ANA R4 P8
      MI Ian Kinsler DET R6 P8
      UT Cody Asche PHI R16 P8
      OF Carlos Beltran NYY R7 P8
      OF Alejandro DeAza CHW R11 P8
      OF Avisail Garcia CHW R15 P8
      OF Peter Bourjos STL R17 P8
      OF Michael Brantley CLE R19 P8
      SP Alex Cobb TB R9 P8
      SP Matt Moore TB R10 P8
      SP Francisco Liriano PIT R12 P8
      SP Justin Masterson CLE R14 P8
      SP Rick Porcello DET R18 P8
      SP Wily Peralta MIL R23 P8
      RP Huston Street SD R13 P8
      RP LaTroy Hawkins COL R20 P8
      RP Chad Qualls HOU R21 P8

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Cool…

    • goodfold2 says:
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      @Q: there appears to be quite a gap in “getting OF early and often” and what you did. you appeared to punt OF. My main league is a 16 teamer (used to be 18) where in pretty much the worst thing you can do at this type level of depth is to not get at least 2 good OF (BEFORE round 5 starts have 2). i’m assuming you only have 3 OF spots as well as I do. If you have 5 OF spots you would be completely screwed doing what you did. My first year in that league (18 teamer at the time) i messed up and had Marlon freakin Byrd as 3rd OF (those who remember he hit like under .120 over first 4 or 5 weeks of season with nothing but singles that year)

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        @goodfold2: nevermind, i see that you do in fact have 5 OF, and you drafted your entire IF before taking even one of them. Wow!

  98. Bulldozer says:
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    I have a draft coming up soon for a 16 team H2H points league. Also, lineups are set weekly so double starters are important each week.

    Point system is: Hitters: +1 run, +1 single, +2 double, +3 triple, +4 homerun, +2 rbi, +2 sb, +0.5 bb, -1 k.
    Pitchers: +1 IP, +10 Win, +7 Save, -0.5 Hit Allowed, -1 BB allowed, -1 ER allowed, +2 K

    Would you still recommend using your pitching strategy for this league or do you think elite pitchers more valuable in this league?

    Thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Elite pitchers are more valuable… Definitely elite closers too

  99. Sammy says:
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    Would you rather have G.Cole or M.Carpenter in a dynasty type format ?

    Thx in advance.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Cole

  100. StuntDusty says:
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    I am in a 12 team keeper league. Standard 5×5 scoring. My SP keepers are Homer Bailey, Mike Minor, James Shields and Hyun Jin Ryu.

    What other two pitchers would you look at to fill out my rotation?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      See the post above

  101. Nate says:
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    Hi Grey, love the site! Please, your drafting advice for a H2H pitching setup where we only start 5 SP and 2 RP (meaning no generic “P” spots) with no min/max IP. Thank you, keep up the awesome work!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Thanks! I’ll have H2H strategy posts…

      • Nate says:
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        @Grey: Great, looking forward to it!

  102. Corey says:
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    Grey, what’s the better value… Keeping Edwin Encarnacion for $26 or Domonic Brown for $1?

    I know how you feel about Brown. But if I keep him as a third OF for $1, I would no doubt have the most money to spend out of any other team in my league this year, which would put me in a good position to bid aggressively on Edwin anyway.

    (In either scenario, I want Edwin coming back to my team).

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Go with Brown

      • Corey says:
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        @Grey: I’m… surprised you said that. But glad you did, it was my initial thinking. Problem is 3B power is in short supply and my fantasy league is Toronto based, so you can be sure E5 will be going for $40+.

        That said, I feel more comfortable spending $40 for that kind of production than $15ish for one of the ho-hum third string outfielders like Brown.

  103. Charles says:
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    ESPN ranks are out. Looks like you could easily build this team in a 12-teamer picking last:

    C – Montero
    1B – Fielder
    2B – Gyorko
    3B – Middlebrooks/Asche/Arenado/Frazier
    SS – Segura
    OF – Jones
    OF – Bautista
    OF – Gordon
    UTIL – Pujols
    UTIL – Rizzo

    SP – Verlander, Cobb, Teheran, Moore, Liriano, Gray
    RP – Robertson plus 2 of Jones, Henderson, Brothers, etc.

    This seems like a ridiculously good team to me. What do you think?

    • Grey

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      Yeah, agreed, nice team… Don’t love Moore and Verlander that much, but your offense didn’t suffer because of it…

      • Charles says:
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        @Grey: They’ve got Pujols 52, Bautista 47, and Bruce 45. Hard to pass those guys up in the 3rd/4th round. Any chance you’d take an early SP knowing one or three of your top-20 guys will be there a round or two later?

        Verlander 61 and Moore 129 in the ESPN rankings. Looks like they love them even less than you!

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          Wow on Verlander… Nope, I wouldn’t take an early SP…

  104. Jon says:
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    What do you think about dealing Ian Desmond for Heyward and Brad Miller?

    H2H 5×5, keep forever league, all would be keepers for me.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Don’t like it…

  105. Papajeansegura says:
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    Grey, you think if everyone in my league follows your strategy of holding out on drafting pitchers and one person, focuses their team solely on pitchers, and maybe one or two offensive categories like runs and SBs or batting average, is it possible for that team to have success? Just wondering because I think your strategy is gaining popularity of holding off on pitchers, as I have done 2 mock drafts and it seems to be a trend

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Nope

  106. 13 team 5×5 keeper, 3 year keeper limit at round value. Already keeping Ian Desmond (round 16), Coco Crisp (17), MIke Minor (14) and Homer Bailey (7). Best choice for 5th keeper from:

    Aoki (9)
    Brantley (22)
    Lind (26)
    Alex Gordon (5)
    Hosmer (6)
    Eric Young (20)
    Balfour (12)
    L. Hawkins (20)
    Perkins (11)

    Thanks Grey!

    • Grey

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      Hosmer

  107. Matthew says:
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    Dude, Grey, have you done the Bonus match is the past? Because that’s really really REALLY cool. Very helpful. I mean, I can specifically folllow your bstratgey on draft days, have this window open of many and click the pitcher to next tier I can choose from.

    For the post part it is very easy, especially if you read everyones articles and have common sense, but I can dig it.

    Thanks again for all the help. The 1.23 Whip especially helps me every year.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      I didn’t do the bonus part, someone else did it in a separate post… No problem…

  108. Montezuma's Revenge... right now says:
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    12 team H2H league with 2 catchers and one each at LF/RF/CF/OF 6 SP and 5 RP per day. also lots of stats R/RBI/HR/net steals/K’s (least wins)/OPS/XBH amongst hitting cats and W/L/holds/era/whip/K to BB/relief losses/QS/net saves. keep 4 out of
    cargo/j.up/machado/billy h./braun/F-Her/Greinke/Chapman/Kenley/avisail. i’m pretty sure i should keep cargo/braun/f-her but not sure about the last one.

    • Montezuma's Revenge... right now says:
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      @Montezuma’s Revenge… right now: also due to some previous owners getting kicked out i’m drafting 4th overall and these people are all available
      trout/jones/strasburg/scherzer/jo-fer/sale/goldy/cano/longo so i’m sure to get 1 of cano/trout/jones/goldy if that helps with which keepers or who i should draft after keepers (i.e. get cano or goldy if i keep all OF’er)

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      CarGo, Braun, Upton, F-Her

      • Montezuma's Revenge... right now says:
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        @Grey: i’m guessing that means at my first pick to take goldy/cano (goldy if still there) over trout due to already having LF/RF/CF (when Cargo qualifies at CF after 5 games), although Trout could be my any OF spot. He’s probably not around at 4th overall anyway.

  109. jaw says:
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    make this trade in a 12 team h2h 5×5 auction keeper? 20% keeper inflation per year, no max years kept. 8 keepers max, i would keep manny and xander, i wouldnt keep yelich or wheeler.

    i give
    xander boagerts $10
    manny machado $11
    christian yelich $10
    zach wheeler $10

    i get
    au shizz $16

  110. Brooke says:
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    Hi Grey! Quick question about how you draft. When drafting your teams do you just follow your tiers for each position or do you draft off of your top 100 & 400 lists? Thank you!

  111. TheOne says:
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    Brah your methods are so out dated its not even funny. Its 2014, the games been changing!

  112. Nick says:
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    I’ve got Darvish as a very cheap keeper in my 12-team keeper league.

    Should I stick with a chaz bono as my #2 or do I try for a higher ranked SP in another another tier?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Stick with Bono

  113. Casey Jones says:
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    @Grey Thanks for all of the hard work you put into your articles. I’ve been doing quite a few mock drafts and have been trying to follow your advice. I’ve been consistently drafting this lineup. My league subs OBP for AVG. My biggest concern is that I took too many pitchers from the Matt Harvey tier. What are your thoughts?

    C: Lucroy
    1B: Votto
    2B: Phillips
    SS: Desmond
    3B: Encarnación
    MI: Andrus
    CI: Ortiz
    OF: Choo
    OF: Aoki
    OF: Brantley
    U: Brad Miller
    U: Garcia
    SP: Cole
    SP: Fister
    SP: Teheran
    SP: Wacha
    SP: Salazar
    SP: Corbin
    RP: Matt Lindstrom
    RP: Rodney
    B: Pineda
    B: Gray
    B: Calhoun
    B: Khris Davis
    B: De Aza

    • Grey

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      No idea how many teams

      • Casey Jones says:
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        @Grey: 10 teams

    • Grey

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      Your hitting looks okay, your pitching is too risky, high on upside…

      • Casey Jones says:
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        @Grey: Great. Thanks Grey. Much appreciated it.

        • Grey

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          No problem

  114. Brad says:
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    Hey Grey,
    Love your articles, so I come to you with a question I can’t find a good answer for elsewhere.
    Our old AL only roto went under, so we’re going another direction and starting a AL/NL H2H Auction. It’s going to be deep – with 14 teams, 5OF, UT, MI and CI – so we want middle relievers to have relevance, but we don’t know how to set up the scoring format concerning the point ratio between wins/saves/holds (right now we’ve got saves and wins both being worth 7points). Like I said, we want middle relievers to be relevant, but I want to be careful not to make holds worth so much compared to saves/wins that guys are starting 9 middle relievers. Any thoughts or opinions from your experience would be appreciated. Thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Make it roto and do 5×5 and get rid of Holds…

  115. Robinnade says:
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    Too much upside not enough experience or are you ok with this staff in a 10 team h2h 5×5 cats 6 pitcher league….? Thanks!

    Cobb
    Tehrehan
    Liriano
    Gray
    Masterson
    A Wood

    • Grey

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      I’m okay with it

  116. Scooterboy says:
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    Grey, or whoever else would like to comment. I’m in a 8 team, H2H, 5×5 league. With being only 8 teams, should I stick to Grey’s strategy of Heavy offense first, and target pitching later in rounds 6th or so? Or should I put more emphasis on pitchers earlier than usual? Just wondering if the lesser amount of teams in the league, should change my strategy any? Thanks for the help!!!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      Unlimited moves? I’d put less emphasis on pitching… You could probably stream the whole year and win…

      • Scooterboy says:
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        @Grey: Allowed 7 moves per week. Sorry, about posting same question on other thread. Not a regular here, so didn’t know if you go back and check prior days. Thanks again.

        • Grey

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          I don’t usually look at old comments, but happened to see yours… In the future, post on my newest thread… I’d draft your league just as I laid out above in this post… No reason to alter if you can move 7 times per week…

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