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The way the Yankees have handled Montero makes you want to say what no Jesus has said since the first one, “Oy vey.” Is Jesus Montero ever going to start? Only the Yankees and the mysterious monks that Dan Brown’s probably writing about know that answer. Last year, I said no, he won’t start. This year, yeah, I think he finally sees time making him draftable in mixed leagues. Posada overstayed his welcome like your uncle that burps the alphabet. We’re going to finally see what this kid can do. And when I say kid I’m not just being condescending like your friend that calls everyone kid, I’m saying kid because Montero will still only be 22 years old when the 2012 season starts. The Yankees would do well going a bit younger in at least one spot on their roster. The other Jesus knows they’re old enough. So what can we expect of Jesus Montero for 2012 fantasy baseball?

Big time pop and a solid average. He’s the truth. Total package, Totes McGotes. Slotting him into the Yankee lineup will make him hard to deny. Like holy rollers, scouts have high praise for Jesus. It’s easy to see why. In 2012, I could see him putting up a season similar to Victor Martinez. Saying that is slightly misleading. Let’s look at what I said in the intro paragraph, “This year, yeah, I think he finally sees time…” And that’s me quoting me from about 100 words ago! I didn’t say where he’d see time at. Pretty sneaky, Grey! I don’t think he sees time at catcher, which will mean he has no catcher eligibility. He only was behind the plate three times last year with 14 times as a DH. Makes him a DH in Yahoo and ESPN leagues. So the question is when will he see 5 games for the catcher eligibility? He may not for a couple of months. I know I wouldn’t start him behind the plate if I were trying to win games, which I think is still the point of baseball and not having the most amusing or patriotic 7th inning stretch. For 2012, I see a line of 70/20/85/.290. Still terrific, but it would be more terrific (terrific-er?) if he sees more time at catcher (more catcherer?).

79 Responses

  1. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:
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    Bigger downside in ESPN leagues, as (I’m pretty sure) you need 10 starts at a position to have eligibility.

  2. Jimmy Ray says:
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    it’s pretty messed up if the this kid does not keep his catcher eligibility when he was a late season call up with 61 ab’s..I like the numbers and they seemed to be right on the mark

  3. papasmurf says:
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    No catcher eligibility is a big letdown. I am glad I didn’t keep him on my roster last year. Would not have made sense to keep him for next year without the C (in my league format). If he’s just a DH with 20 homeruns, that’s not a big deal.

  4. OaktownSteve says:
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    Brett Wallace was released by his Dominican winter league team. I’m pretty sure I’ve never heard of that happening before. That is really, really bad.

  5. crane game dispair says:
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    @Grey:

    Doesn’t .290 seem a little optimistic on his average? I see him as more of a .260-.270 hitter in his first season. AL East SP is pretty nasty.

  6. OaktownSteve says:
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    Yep. Hitting in the low hundreds.

  7. Wake Up says:
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    I think Montero is a major league ready hitter. He just needs to learn to play a position. Also 25 HRs is within reach if he gets the ABs.

    What do you make of Feliz starting and Nathan closing? I’m not sure that Joey Nathan has much left in the tank? Joey Chestnut, that’s another story. His tank is bottomless.

  8. Grey

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    @OaktownSteve: Yikes… Yeah, not sure I ever heard of anyone being sent home from a league where the sole purpose is to get ABs.

    @Wake Up: I find it odd that a guy that couldn’t close for the worst team in the majors is now being asked to close for one of the best.

  9. mc serch says:
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    Hey Grey! Finally got around to buying that daq (even though I’ve collected only a fraction of my winnings from my deadbeat leaguemates)…thanks for all the insight and the laughs …. looking forward to 2012…I’m hoping the Yanks let Montero play next year, but DH ABs might be hard to come by with Arod, Jeter and Tex possibly rotating through that spot too…if he’s good enough to be the primary backup C, he could catch a game or two a week and DH 2-3 others…a good start offensively would be helpful

  10. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @mc serch: Thanks! I hear ya, he’s just not that great defensively, unless he fixes that this offseason.

  11. crane game dispair says:
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    @Grey:

    Re: A tad optimistic about average?

    I think that because he was a .289 hitter at AAA and my guess is that when he makes the jump, MLB pitchers, especially guys like shields price moore hellickson beckett lester romero in the AL east, will figure out his weaknesses and exploit them. Average is fickle however and I could see him hitting .290 with a little luck, but as i said, i see him in the .260-.270 range for his rookie year. After his adjustment period, i could see .290 in his 2nd or 3rd full year.

  12. OaktownSteve says:
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    It’s like being told you’re not good enough to practice.

  13. BookieBob says:
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    @Wake Up:

    Epic.

  14. JQ says:
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    Doesn’t the Yanks repeated insistence that he’s going to catch change things a bit at all in terms of eligibility? Don’t get me wrong I like Martin’s handling of the pitching staff, but his bat in the 2nd half of the season just makes me wonder if the bat would add enough value to outweigh the defensive lapses. And for its worth I don’t think Montero’s defense is any worse than Posada was behind the plate in 2010. I also am conflicted about you’re projected line… if he does catch I feel thats a bullish though attainable line; however if he DH’s and gets regular at bats I think that a bit light and would not be surprised to see him hitting 5th or 6th by the end of the season if ARod, Tex, and Swish continue to struggle at the plate or with injuries (Yes, I’m looking at you Mr. Rodriguez). I’ve had this guy stashed in dynasty leagues since he was first available and followed him since signing – Kevin Goldstein’s (Baseball Prospectus) take that his ceiling is that of a #3 hitter on championship level team is dead on target – the kind of hitter Mark Teixeira used to be when he made consistent contact.

  15. Grey

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    @JQ: The Yankees need defense at catcher more than offense; they have offense at every other position. I think Montero can be something special with consistent ABs, but I’d like to see him do something for a whole season before saying he’ll be a #3 hole hitter on a championship team.

  16. chata says:
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    @Grey:

    nathan’s an injury risk , but the time-line on his recovery makes this
    a good move for the rangers , imo .
    if he’s ever going to dominate the closer ranks , this year is critical
    and we’ll probably have our answer by the all-star break on the success
    of his corrective surgery .

    your probably correct in labeling the twinkies (can i call them that ?) the
    worst team in mlb .
    i view this move as just a continuation in long history of stinginess that
    began with carl polhad .

  17. chata says:
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    @chata:

    edit *
    your = you’re

  18. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @chata: It’s a gamble that could pay off, but seems to be an even bigger gamble when you start moving your closer into the rotation.

  19. chata says:
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    @Grey:

    i think the gamble on feliz is only for this year , until he gets fully
    stretched out …. and with enough arm strength to last a full season .
    he’s more of a thrower than a pitcher , at this point in his career ,
    and , as such , is better suited for a starter’s role , imo .

  20. Steve says:
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    @Grey: There’s chatter on the street that the Rangers feel that there’s more chance of Feliz becoming a decent starter, than there is of him mentally getting over his blown saves in the playoffs.

  21. Grey

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    @chata: @Steve: My bigger concern for the Rangers is Feliz will be stretched out and Nathan will falter and then they won’t be able to put Feliz back in the closer role… Well, I guess they could but that could cause more harm.

  22. Grey

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    @Steve: I’ll say this, there’s a good case to be made that Young wasn’t even the Rangers MVP, but why is it always so surprising that a team’s beat reporters are homers? Of course they are. And that’s only elevated when a small market team actually wins the division. If the Rangers finished last, I could understand people being this perplexed about the Young vote. The Rangers won and this guy probably thinks Young is the team leader, or so I’m assuming.

  23. Steve says:
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    @Grey: I know.

    But the thing that really irks me is that the homer’s vote didn’t make a rat’s arse of difference to the final result. It seems to me that pieces like this are just guys saying “look how clever I am” to a bunch of their friends, all of whom think the same way they do.

    Indeed, the tweet from which that link came was actually a retweet by someone else who essentially said “right on, man”.

  24. Steve says:
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    I have no explanation for why I’m so annoyed about this, by the way.

  25. Grey

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    @Steve: Yeah, in the end, it didn’t matter either way. Now why didn’t Kemp win the MVP?! Wait, because he didn’t win it he now wants to go for 50/50. Great, let him not win it when he gets 50/50 and go for 60/60 in 2013!

  26. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Enormous contract complacency will have set in by 2013 (emoticon).

  27. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Steve: re: Kemp — True. BTW, no one argues over votes besides the 1st place votes, but Carlos Ruiz got a 10th place MVP vote? And Mike Morse received a 7th place vote? For what? Did those voters lose a bet?

  28. Steve says:
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    @Grey: Or maybe they just won one.

  29. royce! says:
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    Maybe Kemp lost the MVP because Braun was a better fielder.

    Oh, and bee tee dub, Cameron Maybin was robbed. MVP! MVP! MVP!

  30. Grey

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    @royce!: Then maybe one day Maybin can introduce a challenge on the Next Iron Chef like Randy Jones.

  31. Steve says:
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    @royce!: @Grey: Yeah – Kemp has it goin’ on, and no mistake. That bow-tie outfit is a bit naff, though.

    He looks great the rest of the time.

    Bastard.

  32. royce! says:
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    Even if Kemp didn’t deserve the Gold Glove, he deserved the MVP. Braun was protected by Prince. Kemp was protected by Loney, Juan Rivera, and Uribe.

  33. Steve says:
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    @royce!: I saw that tweet too! And Braun was protected by Prince in every game.

  34. royce! says:
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    @Steve: I don’t usually disagree with you, but that suit, and his wearing it to a signing ceremony in which he netted 160 million, is absolutely brilliant. You have to admit that it’s head and shoulders above the Braun shirts, right? Having just learned what “naff” means, I am surprised its definition is not accompanied by an illustration of a Ryan Braun designed shirt.

  35. royce! says:
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    @Steve: What tweet? The only one I saw was Kemp congratulating Braun and asking him where they party was. (I am also curious where the party is).

  36. Steve says:
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    @royce!: Oh, the Braun shirt is naff personified. Not that a t-shirt is a person, but you know what I mean.

    You wear that same suit to court, don’t you?

  37. Steve says:
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    @royce!: Oh – someone (probably some painfully smug saber guy, of the type I was berating above) tweeted out the lineup protection comparison earlier today.

  38. royce! says:
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    @Steve: I absolutely would, if I could afford it.

    Nah, seriously, as much as I want to wear a bow tie to court, I think it would be a distraction. I suppose next time that I have to make a weak argument that I don’t fully believe in I could wear a bow tie to distract from the argument’s weakness. Judges would probably catch on pretty quickly though.

    When I get older I’ll be rocking the bow tie full time though. And leather elbow patches. Maybe smoke a pipe in court.

  39. royce! says:
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    @Steve: Ah. Smugness aside, whoever it was was right. I would also add the park factors.

    As you mentioned above, I don’t know why I care. Kudos to Braun, he had an excellent year, and seems to be a great guy (style choices notwithstanding). The other details of the votes (which Grey mentioned above) really drive home the point that the whole thing is ridiculous.

  40. TheNewGuy says:
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    Grey who’d you rather have as a keeper for next year (1 yr deal):
    Matt Cain at $14 or Ervin Santana at $7.

    Close? Just trying to decide whether to trade for Cain or stick with Big Erv as my final keeper. Big Erv’s half the price but he’s kinda erratic year to year…

  41. chata says:
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    cbs points leagues …. “Hello , this is Peggy.”

  42. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @royce!: Nice on Maybin. Hate to see him try Taco Bell.

    @Steve: @royce!: Sorry, gotta agree with royce! Kemp’s suit was classic and made me wish I owned a bow tie.

    @TheNewGuy: What are you trading for him?

  43. royce! says:
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    @Grey: Re: Maybin- I love that his ill-advised tweet occurred prior to his playing a single game as a Padre. From what I recall, and I can’t find it now, but his retraction was on par with Lincecum’s non-apology for smoking weed.

    Also, your Taco Bell suggestion would also get him in trouble; the same part-owner used to be an exec for Taco Bell. And the Padres used to be owned by the McDonalds peeps. We’re the franchise built by food that gives you the squirts!

  44. Grey

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    @royce!: Whatever gives Maybin the gas to get him through the season. re: team built on squirts — Love that!

  45. Steve says:
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    @Grey: @royce!: You disagree? The effrontery of it!

    OK – if you mean that he’s just signed a massive contract so he’s dressing like Daddy Warbucks, then I get it. Otherwise, I’m not sure I know you guys anymore. What has SoCal done to you?

  46. Steve says:
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    Either that, or I’m showing my age.

  47. chata says:
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    @Steve:

    my guess is that all of SoCal wear silk undies .
    not the same ones , mind you .

  48. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Steve: Maybe you just don’t understand bougie like us in SoCal do.

    @chata: With frills.

  49. Grey

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    @Steve: See shiny and Fancy Dan are both solid looks in my book, but I wore purple sneakers last night to see Lucinda Williams.

  50. Steve says:
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    @Grey: OK – maybe we should stick to food and books in the off-season (emoticon).

    Purple eh? Chuck Taylors perhaps? No problem with that.

  51. Grey

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    @Steve: Not Chuck Taylor. Creative Recreation… But points for seeing Lucinda Williams, no?

  52. Steve says:
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    @Grey: No doubt.

    Didn’t realise she’d done a version of Gentle On My Mind. Like that one.

    I’m more of an old school sneaks man myself. New Balance 574s, Reebook CLs – that kond of shizz.

  53. Steve says:
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    I wonder what Bruce Chen will wear to announce his new 1-year, $9 million deal with the Royals.

    Good heavens.

  54. chata says:
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    @Grey:

    will ryan madson be getting save this year , and , it so , for which teams ?

    @Steve:

    do you guys have any old cadillac convertibles over there ?

  55. Steve says:
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    @chata: Yeah – you see one every now and then.

  56. chata says:
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    edit*
    save = any saves

  57. Steve says:
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    @Steve: Oops. 2 years. But still.

  58. chata says:
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    i shouldn’t have edited my last comment .
    i could have sounded like i was from montreal .

  59. TheNewGuy says:
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    In response to your response Grey, I was giving up a draft pick in order to get Cain, but am gonna put that one on the back burner for now I think.

    Do wanna get Bruce though and think im close to completing a deal. It’s Bruce and a 3rd round draft pick for a 1st round pick (both prospect draft picks).

    I do think I need a ‘franchise player’ but the only issue is his contract. It’s currently $22 and I think the best option would be a 2 year deal which would up it to $28. How much do you see Bruce going for next year, does it sound like a solid price?

  60. Grey

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    @Steve: One of those tuxedo t-shirts.

    @chata: Should get saves this year, not sure for who.

    @chata: Ha

    @TheNewGuy: I like Bruce for that price for 2 years.

  61. chata says:
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    @Steve:

    check your e-mail .
    proof that Maine is not SoCal .

  62. Shavager says:
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    Just getting called up and on the roster doesn’t make him the starter over Russ Martin. Montero’s an unknown for opponents pitching staff, give them some games against him to understand his tendencies and weaknesses and then see if he can produce good enough to start. Yankees signed Martin as starter and he’s put up good numbers, handled the pitching staff well. I don’t see Montero as a long range catcher, too big to last behind the plate for career-his future might be at a different position.

  63. Grey

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    @Shavager: Yup, that’s why I think it’s going to take two months to get 5 games started behind the plate.

  64. Steve says:
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    @chata: Yeah, that’s pretty funny. Can you send me one of those moose-heads?

  65. Grey

    Grey says:
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    @Steve: @chata: Why you guys hiding shizz from me?

  66. Steve says:
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    @Grey: There you go.

  67. chata says:
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    my girl barely dodged that bullet down in tejas (top chef) .
    she better pick up her game
    or i’m gonna giving her advice .

  68. chata says:
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    edit *

    stop giving

  69. begs says:
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    nice this guy still has C eligibility in my fleaflicker league

  70. Jake says:
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    I am trying to decide between these 3 second year players in my keepers league, im going to keep 2 of them. Brett Lawrie, Desmond Jennings & Jesus Montero. Im already pretty convinced that im going to keep Lawrie but what do i do between Jennings & Montero. I already have quite a bit of speed so its making me lean more towards Montero, what ur opinion and do u think Montero will see enough ABs this year

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