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For these pairings, I’m going to be using our 2012 fantasy baseball rankings.  Notably, the top 20 starters for 2012 fantasy baseball, top 40 starters for 2012, top 60 starters for 2012 and the top 80 starters for 2012.  Okay, now that we have our links and shizz done.  What is a pitcher pairing?  It’s how you plan on putting together a fantasy staff.  It’s a plan of action.  If you have A pitcher, which B, C and D pitcher goes with him?  You should have six starters.  The sixth starter is Brad Peacock or take whoever you want.  I suggest an upside pick.  Brad Peacock comes to mind.  Or Mike MinorMike Minor also comes to mind.  I’m going to assume you’re in a 12 team, 5×5 and some variation of 9 Pitchers league.  (NOTE:  What you are about to read is massively confusing.  If it were found scribbled in a notebook, the FBI would be watching me.)  Anyway, here’s some pairings for pitching staffs for 2012 fantasy baseball drafts:

TIERS

If your first pitcher is from the tiers:  “The top tier.  Didn’t I already say that?” and “The aces that once were.” — These tiers are from Halladay to Greinke.  There’s very little chance I have anyone in any of these tiers.  If I do have one, I wouldn’t take another pitcher until the Gio tier that goes into the top 40 starters.  Then I’d grab one guy from the tier of Moore/Scherzer and one guy from the flyer tier of Sanchez.  Finally, I’d finish my staff off with — that just sounded like a phone sex operator — an out there flyer from the top 80 starter post (a pitcher in the top 80 post that I like, preferably), then I’d grab Peacock or Minor.  So Greinke, Daniel Hudson, Beachy, Minor, Peavy and Peacock.  That staff will probably have 13′s in every pitching category in a 12 team league.

If your first pitcher is from the tier:  “If I don’t have one starter already, here’s where I’m drafting and I’m fine with that.” – This tier goes from Hamels to Lester.  I’d pair any of the top 20 starters that come between Hamels and Lester with anyone in the Wim Wenders tier, but it’s not mandatory.  In other words, if I have Hamels, I wouldn’t ignore Wim Wenders’s tier if they fell to me, but I wouldn’t reach either.  You’ll be fine taking Hamels and moving right into the Gio tier.  But let’s say you start your staff with Hamels and Haren because he falls to you, you should skip right to the Moore tier.  Again, if someone from Wim Wenders’s tier drops, then you can grab him, but you’re loading up too much on pitching at this point.  So if you have Hamels, Haren, Moore, you jump to Sanchez’s tier and grab two pitchers.  (Yes, this is like a Choose Your Own Adventure.)  So that leaves you with Hamels, Haren, Ubaldo, Worley, McCarthy and Brad Peacock.  That’s one great looking staff, or so says Gosh Johnson, Josh’s porn star brother.

Now if you grab Hamels, but you skip Wim Wenders’s tier and go straight to Gio’s tier, then you grab one or two guys in that tier and one or two guys from the Yummo! tier.  If you grab one from the “Crazy like a fox” tier, then grab two from the Yummo! tier and vice versa.  At this point, you should have four starters.  Then grab anyone after Sanchez then Brad Peacock.  That leaves you with a staff of Hamels, Latos, Anibal, Garza, Wandy and Peacock.  That’s probably the best staff I’ve ever seen in the entire universe.

If your first pitcher is from the tier:  “Wim Wenders’s favorite tier.” — This is similar to grabbing Hamels through Lester.  Wim Wenders’s pitchers are all number one fantasy starters.  I’d go ahead and grab three starters between the “crazy like a fox” and Yummo! tiers and another one later on while saving room for Peacock.  So you’d have Weaver, Latos, Moore, Marcum, Peavy and Peacock.  You just won your league and games haven’t even started.  You’re welcome.

If your first pitcher is from the tier:  “Am I crazy with these rankings?  Yeah, crazy like a fox!” — You’re fighting an uphill battle if you haven’t grabbed a starter until this tier.  So you need to make up for that by grabbing two guys in this tier and two guys in the Moore tier then a flyer then Peacock.  For instance, Gio, Daniel Hudson, Ubaldo, Luebke, Lilly and Peacock.  Honestly, that staff looks pretty good to me; go buy yourself an ice cream cone and celebrate.

TROUBLE AREAS

WHIP Issues – For every pitcher who is projected over a 1.25 WHIP, take one below.  The quicker you do this, the better off you’ll be.  For instance, if you take Gio Gonzalez, who I have projected for a 1.28, you need to pair him with someone I have projected below a 1.25.  Don’t pair Gio with Scherzer.  Don’t pair Gio with Morrow.  Pair Gio with Zimmermann.  Pair him with Daniel Hudson.  Pair him with Cain.  Remember, the further you get into the rankings, the harder it becomes to find lower WHIPs.  In the top 60 starters, there’s only six starters below a 1.25 WHIP.  There’s 11 pitchers in the top 80 (which is actually 29 pitchers), four of them are Johan, Baker, Peavy and Stauffer.  Three of those are injury risks and the other one you can’t start in away games.  Then there’s Kuroda, who is a Yankee risk, Lilly, who’s old, Collmenter, who only gives you a good WHIP, and Chris Sale and Daniel Bard, who could be good but are risks in their own right.  Basically, there’s McCarthy to totally trust for WHIP help in the last 29 pitchers.  Sidenote:  WHIP can be helped by closers and MRs… Or hurt by them.

K ISSUES – For drafters who follow my lead, this shouldn’t be as much of an issue.  You’re shooting for around 150/starter.

Overall Pitching Issues – Just about everyone, including yours truly, drops at least one of their starters by May 1st.  Obviously, you want the best team coming out the draft, but it’s a marathon not a sprint.  Starters always come out of nowhere on waivers to become productive.  Always.  Even in deep leagues.

  1. Steve says:
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    Oh we getting close now. Love the rankings, might even love the pairings posts a little more. Good work, G.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Steve, You cheating on the rankings with the pairings?

      • Steve says:
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        @Grey, Gotta share myself around, yo.

  2. Howard says:
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    Hi Grey, 12 team 5X5 keeper:

    CC Sabathia
    MadBum
    Hudson
    Marcum
    Norris (for the K’s)
    …further drafting to come for bench players.

    Unfortunately Peacock was taken!

    btw, saw Rhett Miller solo last week it was great! Thanks for turning me on to the Old ’97s.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFemdl_00WY

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Howard, No problem, glad you like them! Where did you see him at? Looks like a solid rotation.

      • Howard says:
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        @Grey, Thanks Grey! Saw him at a festival called Cayamo on a cruise ship. It was very cool.

  3. Shibboleth says:
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    Hey G, thanks for this as always. 12 team 6×6, QS-k-sv-hld-era-whip. The QS an holds have me wondering if I should buck the trend and try for a first tier ace. (since QS are sorta skills based and holds need to be drafted. Thoughts? Thanks!

    • mauledbypandas says:
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      @Shibboleth, That might make someone like Lincecum or FHer more attractive, but realistically you don’t have to take a pitcher that early. Also depends if you have middle and corner infidel spots I guess, because that would eat up picks where you would be grabbing holds guys.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Shibboleth, CGs would change my strategy, not QSs.

      • the grate one says:
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        @Grey, if CG’s are counted heavily, you make sure you get a top tier guy??

  4. Another fine post Grey, even if I had to read it 3 times before I followed it!

    What keeper combo would you rather have in 12 team, 5×5, head to head:
    Votto, Justin Upton, Reyes
    Or
    Longoria, Justin Upton, Teixeira

    • shibboleth says:
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      @The Dutchmen, tough but I’d go with the latter… a bit more youth, a bit less injury risk, a few more counting stats, but i’m a bit higher on Tex than Grey. My ideal combo would be longo/votto/j-up.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @The Dutchmen, Thanks! Agree with shibboleth.

  5. ChillmanCometh says:
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    @Grey and Razzball community, This is something I’ve been contemplating the last few days and I wanted to see what you thought. I’ve got Kershaw in a ten team, four player keeper. Do I not take another pitcher until someone like Luebke, or should I think earlier like Gio or Garza? This league overvalues pitching hard. Three teams have two keeper SP.

    Oh, and closers. 14th round sounds about right to start acquiring them, but am I grabbing three or four? I lean towards four to try and keep ratios down while getting saves up especially if the key is to try and horde high K per guys in SP. And by horde I mean draft three more staters before the 14th.

    Thoughts?

    • ChillmanCometh says:
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      @Grey, applogies for the double post on the same topic… They vary slightly, but I wrote this one on my tablet and it kept saying that it didn’t post… stupid tablet…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @ChillmanCometh, I don’t know when you should grab closers cause I don’t know what kind of league this is.

  6. TheNewGuy says:
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    Hey G man, currentlly in the middle of a prospect draft. Which 3 outta these guys would you take for fantasy purposes: Jean Segura, Will Middlebrooks, Mike Olt, Zach Lee, Yasmani Grandal, Wily Peralta and Starling Marte? Think I’d want at least 2 hitters, thanks.

    • TheNewGuy says:
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      @TheNewGuy, You can add Eddie Rosario to that list too.

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        @TheNewGuy, Jean Segura, Mike Olt, Wily Peralta

        • TheNewGuy says:
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          @Grey, Thanks man, good to know we can rely on your for prospect advice too!

  7. schlitzy says:
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    15 team league with OPS and we don’t use a corner infidel. Need 3 keepers. the first 2 are Miggy and Jus Upton. Who would you take as the 3rd – Sandoval or Greinke?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @schlitzy, Greinke

  8. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:
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    Hmm… for some reason the “stuff if found scribbled in a notebook, the FBI would be watching me” always makes perfect sense to me. My three mocks have all had one of these pitcher setups. So basically, I didn’t need this post, but thanks for alerting my league mates to target the same guys as me. Much appreciated…

    Didn’t catch Survivor last night… massive migraine, so please no mention. Also, I was going to write “Survivor: One World” as “S1W,” but then I remembered that that was the name given to Public Enemy’s attaché (Security of the 1st World?), if memory serves. Lead by Professor Griff, and later by Sister Souljah… after Griff was fired for anti-semetic remarks (and one would think the lyric “Farrakhan’s a prophet” would put the group in anti-semetic hot water already, but what do I know). Whatever… I liked PE from Yo! Bum Rush the Show through Fear of a Black Planet. Got fairly watered down after that. Surprised to see their discography includes 14 releases, including one in 2012.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Awesomus Maximus, I won’t watch S1W (<–I like!) until tomorrow late afternoon. I’m on the road until then. I’m with you on PE. From the beginning until 911 is a Joke. Incredible album after album. The I think Chuck D started worrying about his perception more than his songs (happened to KRS-1 too), Griff and Souljah though they could do their own thing and Flav tried to find love on TV. He Got Game and Shut em Down were two songs after FoaBP that worked.

  9. ChillmanCometh says:
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    @Grey and Razzballers, Alright, been thinking about this the last couple of days, so your post is topical for this question.

    So, 10 team, 4 player keeper league, 3 managers have kept 2 pitchers, 5 kept 1. The league overvalues pitching. I have Kershaw. Question is, do I fill out the rest of my positions except catcher and wait until I’m filling my 9th roster spot to select another pitcher, or do I target a guy and take him if the draft is starting to trend toward a run on SP? Right now, the guys I feel like I would want as my next pitcher are MadBum, Hudson at their ADPs of 75th, 84th.

    Thoughts?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @ChillmanCometh, Not sure why this post doesn’t answer your question. If you have Kershaw it’s clear where to go next, no?

  10. Eddy says:
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    Grey, couple of questions:

    1. On average, what would be the max IP limit translation in a 180 GS league? Is it roughly 1250 innings?

    2. It’s extremely hard trying to create a mock team in my keeper league because everyone’s picks are so out of whack. I attempted to do so yesterday, and this was the result.

    C-Devin Mesoraco
    1B-Joey Votto
    2B-Danny Espinosa
    3B-David Wright
    SS-Zack Cozart
    OF-Carlos Gonzalez
    OF-Jacoby Ellsbury
    OF-Jose Tabata
    Util-Adam Lind
    Util-Adam Dunn

    BN-Ryan Braun
    BN-Brandon Belt

    SP-Kershaw
    SP-Strasburg
    SP-Latos
    SP-Ubaldo
    SP-Chris Sale
    SP-Mike Minor
    SP-Roy Oswalt

    RP-Jason Motte
    RP-Farnsworth
    RP-Huston Street
    RP-Matt Capps

    • VinWins

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      @Eddy, In the RCL last year, 1st-place teams averaged 1467 IP; 11th-place teams averaged 1247 IP.

      • Eddy says:
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        @VinWins, Thank you, Vin. Exactly what I was looking for.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Eddy, Not sure I follow what this mock was supposed to represent.

      • Eddy says:
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        @Grey,

        Much like Tuesday’s post where you created your mock team out of your rankings, imagine the same concept. This is the team I created, taking into account who is already being kept in my league, Yahoo’s ADP, and the rounds I will have available to make picks.

        In a nutshell: how does this team look in a 12-team H2H OBP league?

        • Grey

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          @Eddy, High on speed, low on power, too high on pitching.

  11. abe says:
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    Hey Grey,
    I’m debating between some keepers right now and i was hoping you could provide some insight. I’m in a 12 team league roto league with OPS and K/BB. I can only keep 3 of the following (auction with $260 budget):
    Desmond Jennings – $2
    Jordan Zimmermann – $3
    Craig Kimbrel – $7
    Ian Kinsler – $18
    Cole Hamels – $18
    Mike Stanton – $22
    We get to keep players for up to 3 years (this being the first), with a 10% increase in price each year.

    Thanks

    • The Chew says:
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      @abe, It all depends on what you think is being thrown back by other teams. Thin positions equal high prices. I like low balling it here with Stanton, Jennings, Zimmerman for a total of $27!! That’s a steal for the production. If you keep them 3 years it’d be $27, $30, $33 for 3 top 100 players right now. Probably 3 top 60 by year 3!

  12. Charles says:
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    Hey Grey – did a mock a few days ago and went with (round/pick):

    Greinke (4/4)
    Beachy (8/4)
    Zimmermann (9/9)
    Scherzer (11/9)
    Luebke (14/4)
    Worley (17/9)
    Nolasco (21/9)
    Norris (23/9)

    If I was to swap out one of the last two bums for Peacock, it would be a good staff, right?

    • mauledbypandas says:
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      @Charles, could be a bit WHIPy, but I’d go to war with those guys. I get a bad feeling about Greinke for some reason though I know a lot of perts are high on him.

      • mauledbypandas says:
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        @mauledbypandas, Also, might go with Minor instead of Nolasco or Worley, personal preference I guess

        • mic says:
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          @mauledbypandas, is this for h2h, because if its for roto thats too many sps…

  13. CL says:
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    Grey:

    Year 5 Dynasty about to begin. We keep our entire rosters year-to-year. I need to lose one more guy to get my roster down to size. Pitching cats: W, SVs, HLDs, Ks, ERA, WHIP

    I was going to cut Sean Marshall, but now I think I may need to cut Crow or R. Delgado because I’m a little heavy on SPs (Hanson, Shields, Garza, Haren, Beachy, Sanchez as well). Not sure I want to cut any Braves pitcher though. Thoughts? Thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @CL, Why can’t you cut Marshall?

      • CL says:
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        @Grey, I can cut Marshall, but I though I’d have a better staff with him in terms of balance. My RPs are Poutz, Motte, Betancourt, and Pestano. Thought I had too many SPs. Crow was not supposed to be a starter!

        So you think I should still cut Marshall as originally planned?

        By the way, like the new commenting format.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          @CL, Thanks! You can find a Holds guy in the draft.

  14. The Chew says:
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    I counted 42 of 100 top IP last year being under 1.25. Of course, some of these were ridiculously lucky. And of course that’s counting Gavin Floyd and Jeff Francis who both kill your ERA and Francis seems to take more Ks away from you than get Ks.

    I think the key of all of this is getting high K guys under 1.25 WHIP. I know Grey knows this, but for all of the smarty pants out there just because is below 1.25 doesn’t mean a guy is worth it. Case and point Kyle Lohse (yawn). There are 20 of him compared to the guys that you should be drafting.

    Guys like Haren, D. Hudson, Cain, Hamels, Wilson, Marcum and Kennedy are great for the Grey system. You won’t have to for any of them, and they aren’t far off the mark of the top 8.

    • mauledbypandas says:
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      @The Chew, I want to clone Kershaw and have him on my roster 6 times :)

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @The Chew, Nice comment.

  15. DansUggla says:
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    12 team standard h2h. $260 keeper

    I have beachy (7) latos (10) and Wainwright (6), should i target a guy like hudson or shoot for madison B/hamels type.

    Thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @DansUggla, It’s not obvious from the post?

      • DansUggla says:
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        @Grey, ^—–[Hangs head in disgust] …but do I have to do the work myself? Yes, Yes I do. And, I did. Thanks for making me a better person!

  16. thekingadrock says:
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    in a Head to Head 5×5 12 team league with low minimum innings (7) what are your thoughts on drafting all middle relief / closers and punting W and K?

    • mic says:
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      @thekingadrock, grey no like punting…

      • Steve says:
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        @mic, I tried this once a few years back in my H2H league, where we also count Holds. Worked OK in that I made it to the playoffs (all you can ask, right?), but you live in constant fear of one of your guys having a massive meltdown and blowing your ERA and WHIP for the week.

        I remember this happened one week and gave Grey a list of pitchers to choose from to help me pull the ratios back. He suggested Cliff Lee. Lee pitched a one-hitter. Purpose served, but because starters weren’t part of my plan I dropped him.

        How did he finish the year? Yeah, with the Cy Young.

        • thekingadrock says:
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          @Steve, thanks your input. it seems like it would be a great strategy in a league using holds. But yeah, if you blow the ERA and WHIP it would be a disaster… on the upside skipping starters during the draft would be great and I think it might be an easy team to manage, just leave the closers out there and forget about it.

          I think I’m going to give it a shot in one of my 5×5 leagues.

          • Steve says:
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            @thekingadrock, Yeah – it’s good fun to try and does let you load up on hitting early in the draft, though it is a good idea to draft one really good closer.

            It didn’t seem like less work to me, but maybe it was just the emotional stress that made it feel that way ;-)

  17. The Wickler says:
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    Grey,
    Having been a long-time reader, I have to commend you that this article proved you truly are crazy like a fox. Great work. How would you change your tier strategy for a H2H Points league? Also, are you going to put out any Points league rankings, since ESPN and CBS’s ranks are nonsensical.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @The Wickler, Rudy will do the Point Shares next week, I don’t think the above changes for H2H.

    • TheRealWickler says:
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      @The Wickler, You are not the real Wickler

  18. Mike says:
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    Minor moan: is there any way to stop these stupid video advert playing when you’re reading such great copy. It’s so distracting, and annoying when it suddenly starts playing when you’re listening to great music…

    • JoeC says:
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      @Mike, It would be nice if, at least, daquiri-buyers could be spared those ads.

      For those who consume for free, one must suffer for golden content!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Mike, If you tell me the ad, I’ll remove it. No ads are supposed to automatically play sound.

  19. Wake Up says:
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    Great post! Love the pairings. The question is…what were you pairing with the rum you were drinking while writing this one?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Wake Up, Straight, as dressed as Captain Morgan.

  20. Burn says:
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    Just ran a 12 team mock…

    4. Greinke
    11. Zimmerman
    12. Morrow
    14. J.Garcia
    16. Fister
    18. Floyd

    I thought I balanced it ok. WHIP may be a little high.

    • Grey

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      @Burn, Looks solid. Floyd’s kinda whatever.

  21. Bourne says:
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    I have a confusion. You write this based on a 9 pitcher/ 3 bench roster like rcl. If we assume you are recommending 3 rp and 6sp, then what do you recommend for the bench? Your PEDS from last year says no bench bats in the draft. I was assuming then we take 8-9 sp. The tiers post says 6? I hope this question makes sense. Not trying to criticize but hopefully understand better.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Bourne, You have three bench spots to do with however you choose. I take closers, or handcuff closers.

  22. exactly says:
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    Hey, Grey, top notch post, as usual. What do you think of this staff (pitching, that is)?:

    Bumgarner
    Garza
    Anibal
    Darvish
    Morrow
    Peacock/Minor

    • Grey

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      @exactly, I’m not crazy about Darvish, but the staff is still solid. You have plenty of guys I like.

  23. Chris says:
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    Hello all.

    I’m trying to find a 5×5 mixed roto auction league, with a buy-in of somewhere between $50-$125. Ideally would be looking for 2 spots, for me and a friend. I’ve tried the Yahoo/Rotoworld boards, with no luck so far. Anyone have some openings in 1 of their leagues, or a suggestion of another good place to look?

    Thanks.

      • Chris says:
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        @TheNewGuy,

        Funny you should mention it, but that’s actually where I did end up finding my roto auction league. And we just drafted yesterday too. Unfortunately my team stinks, lol. Drafted a few top 10 players early, but then I went into super bargain mode, and ended up finishing the draft with $15 left on the table. Oofa.

        Thanks for the reply, even though it’s been a long time since my original post!

        • TheNewGuy says:
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          @Chris, Yeah I just spotted it when reading these pitcher pairing posts preparing for my draft.

          I find auctions tough too, guys always seem to go for more than I want earlier, so I end up having to spend on some mid-tier guys I don’t want so much. Gimme a stud! lol

  24. AStue says:
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    I can keep CC or trade him for a 10th round pick and keep Lester. Is the pick plus lester worth it?

    • AStue says:
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      8 team league

      • Grey

        Grey says:
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        @AStue, Sure, keep Lester.

  25. Steve 2.0 says:
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    Hi Grey, Can’t wait until keeper deadline. Gotta ask now (probably in 4 weeks again). Who would you keep in this 12 team keeper league (almost standard cats, we’re playing with BB) with 2 keeper? Kemp, J.Upton, Prince or Hanley? I’m picking last in my draft. Thank you.

    • Tony says:
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      @Steve 2.0, i’d keep kemp for sure, then probably J-up not knowing what the terms are of the keepers. If its for the long term, defly J-up, if its just for a year or something I’d maybe go with Hanley… I believe Hanley bounces back big this yr.

      • Steve 2.0 says:
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        @Tony, it’s one year. Kemp is sure, yes. Don’t know about the rest. Had Prince and J-Up for some years now, so I have feelings for both of them, heh. Don’t like too many after Hanley at his position, though. (or let’s say, don’t want to reach for a SS).

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Steve 2.0, Kemp, Prince

  26. The Talented Mr. Dope Man says:
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    Happy thursday razzballers.

    An interesting tidbit of information.I was just listening to an Oakland beat reporter, she was stating how she thinks Tommy Milone will fill the 4th spot, and the 5th rotation spot will be a battle between Jarrod Parker, Brad Peacock, and Graham Godfrey (had a few starts for them last year).

    Guess there’s a possiblity that Peacock and Parker could both start the year in the minors…. Odd. I thought they would both be locks for the rotation, and the A’s would smarten up and throw Colon in the Bullpen.

    Projected rotation (according to her)
    McCarthy
    Colon
    Braden (Mid-April when healthy / if healthy).
    Milone
    Peacock/parker/godfrey.

    Who knows what happens once Anderson comes back.

    • JoeC says:
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      @The Talented Mr. Dope Man, Yes, the no-sense A’s continue to befuddle me. Why have Colon fill a position that would be better-served going to a youngster who needs MLB experience? Isn’t that the essence of rebuilding? You shouldn’t care about wins and losses, you should just care about getting your young players seasoned.

      It makes no sense to block Parker and Peacock with that refrigerator known as Bartolo Colon.

      • Steve says:
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        @JoeC, Peacock-blocked, as it were.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          @Steve, Looks like there’s a new and improved version of you.

          • Steve says:
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            @Grey, Yeah, I’m end-of-life.

            I’ll be in your daily Groupon email before you know it.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              @Steve, Ha!

      • The Talented Mr. Dope man says:
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        @JoeC, Just when you think you have ol Billy beans figured out… Cespedes, colon, coco, combogulation

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @The Talented Mr. Dope Man, I think Peacock makes the rotation over Parker and Braden and Anderson are total wild cards at this point.

      • The Talented Mr. Dope man says:
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        @Grey, I had both Parker and peacock in my NL only league for $1 each… So I lost them to the AL. luckily I get the rights to the player of my choice whom they were traded for. So I gnawed gio and Cahill with brand née contracts. NICE!! (borat voice)…

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          @The Talented Mr. Dope man, Nice…

  27. Wake Up says:
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    If I go Verlander in the 1st round, should I come back in the 2nd round with Halladay, or should I just start focusing on fantasy WNBA?

    • The Talented Mr. Dope Man says:
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      @Wake Up, ha ha…. think WNBA is in your future.

    • Tony says:
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      @Wake Up, you should probably take a closer in the 3rd.

  28. LJ says:
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    “So Greinke, Daniel Hudson, Beachy, Minor, Peavy and Peacock. That staff will probably have 13?s in every pitching category in a 12 team league.”

    How do you figure?

  29. How do you feel about Hisashi Iwakuma, Seattles new Import.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @The Dutchman, Looks like he could be a nice last round flyer. His K/BB is a thing of beauty so that’s good.

  30. Cole says:
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    Grey, I was wondering if we were going to see a special sleeper post about Kate Upton, but now that she made the cover of SI she is probabally is too obvious of a breakout candidate…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Cole, Ha, and rawr.

  31. Howard says:
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    @Grey Am finding myself on the tail end of a ‘closer run’. It’s getting more into ‘Brain Freeze’ territory (make it stop!!!). Who do you like out of: League, Farnsworth, Reed, Betancourt, Frank Frank, Guerra? League really helped last year as a WW pickup. Can he get 35 saves again?

  32. mc serch says:
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    Grey,
    Did my first mock yesterday…no notes, no tiers just kinda freestyled it from your Top 300 ….its 12 team roto and picked out of the 11 hole….here’s what i came up with:
    C W. Ramos (18)
    1B Howard (8)/ Butler (9)
    2B Uggla (3)
    SS Andrus (4)
    3B Longo (1)
    OF J. Upton (2)
    OF BJ Upton (6)
    OF Werth (10)
    U Lind (13)
    SP Lester (5)
    SP Bum (7)
    SP J. Zimm (11)
    SP Anibal (12)
    SP Scherzer (14)
    SP Oswalt (17)
    SP Cahill (21)
    SP Minor (22)
    SP Peacock (23)
    RP Francisco
    RP Farnsie
    RP Fuentes
    B. A Rios

    Obviously I dove headfirst into SP by going Lester(5)/Bum(7) but thought that there was not much RD 5 value in OF or 1B and Bum was too good to pass up in 7th Round. Finding myself without a top 1B left me scrambling, but I think combining Howard/Butler/Lind for 1B/U spots in the middle rounds was a decent solution. Also, looking back, probably should’ve taken one less starter at the end in favor of a closer in waiting like Reed or Pestano. Gonna mock from a middle spot next and see how things shake out. Doode, you’re like the Rainman for SP….the rankings (and now the pairings) are all peeps need! Looking forward to Rudy’s Risky Starters post, how much longer you gonna keep a brotha waiting?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @mc serch, League looks pretty shallow with 3 OFs, but the team looks very solid. A little light on average, but nothing really jumping out at me as being wrong.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @mc serch, BTW, you should tell Rudy on his post that you’re looking forward to that. I think he might need some encouragement to do it again.

  33. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:
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    “That leaves you with a staff of Hamels, Latos, Anibal, Garza, Marcum, Wandy and Peacock.

    Am I crazy, or is that seven SP rather than the six you said we should have?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Awesomus Maximus, You’re crazy like a calculator! That does basic math, which mine obviously doesn’t do. Thanks for pointing it out!

      • Steve says:
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        @Grey, So you get a bigger staff. Who’s gonna complain about that?

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          @Steve, No girl I know! Am I right? Huh?

          • Steve says:
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            @Grey, There’s a joke in here that involves a bigger staff, Peacock and Kate Upton, but I’m not touching it (see what I did there?).

            I’m gonna restrict myself to just thinking about Kate Upton.

            • Awesomus Maximus

              Awesomus Maximus says:
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              @Steve, There were no 19 year old girls that looked like her when I was 19. Dear lord…

  34. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:
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    Okay, the reason I caught your boo-boo is because I was working on an extremely rudimentary spreadsheet tool to help with pitcher drafting and pairings. Amuse me for a moment, please…

    I’ve taken your SP rankings (until Peacock), placed them in a row, put black lines in to show your tiers, tinted “stay away” SPs with a red background, tinted “proceed with caution” SPs with a yellow background. All of that should help with drafting.

    In addition, I’ve also done my best to assign point values to the (somewhat different) tiers you’ve discussed in this Pitcher Pairings entry. You can see what it looks like here:

    http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/403/62355654.jpg

    Then I went through each of your pairings, adding up the assigned values. Here’s what they look like:

    http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/3794/pairings.png

    Seems like 31 is the magic number you want to be at. What do you think?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Awesomus Maximus, Yeah, that makes perfect sense. You know what I really like? If anyone outside this universe where to just drop and see your 31 and my post, they’d think we were off our rocker.

      • Awesomus Maximus

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        @Grey, I’m not entirely sure they’d be wrong.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          @Awesomus Maximus, Um, well, yeah, that’s probably true.

      • Steve says:
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        @Grey and Awesomus, I’m trying to figure out a spreadsheet whereby it indicates which group of pitchers to go to next, depending on who you take with each pick.

        Say if you take Kershaw, you select his name from a dropdown and that crosses out (or highlights in red or something) all the pitchers until you get to the Gio tier and so on for each pick.

        Unfortunately I’m not a spreadsheet ninja’s shoelace, so I wouldn’t be planning a post around it or anything.

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          @Steve, Git r done!

          • Steve says:
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            @Grey, I don’t seem to have that plug-in. Sounds like a job for Steve 2.0 (emoticon).

          • Awesomus Maximus

            Awesomus Maximus says:
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            @Grey, I’ve got half of a web-based program done. If you like it, or think others may find it useful, I will finish the other half later tonight or this weekend. Let me know what you think, and remember, only the first two tiers are done (if you select an SP from the last two tiers, the links lead nowhere). Here’s the home page:

            http://www.kevinkwalter.com/_fbb/pitcher_pairings_1.html

            • Steve says:
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              @Awesomus Maximus, That’s fantastic. Finish it, I say.

              • Awesomus Maximus

                Awesomus Maximus says:
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                @Steve, Had a small error in my coding that didn’t allow for the two branches at the second pick of the second scenario. Should be fixed now.

                • Steve says:
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                  @Awesomus Maximus, Sweet. Don’t know how tricky it is to do (fairly simple I imagine), but is it worth noting where each pitcher stands in the overall 300? Thus:

                  Halladay (19)
                  Lee (21)
                  Kershaw (22)

                  and so on. Might be useful to know where you are given that guys in the same tier can be a few spots apart, or more.

                  • Awesomus Maximus

                    Awesomus Maximus says:
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                    @Steve, Yeah, that’s a good idea. I think I will also add Rudy’s Points Share amounts when they come out next week.

                  • Awesomus Maximus

                    Awesomus Maximus says:
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                    @Steve, The basic version is done. Please give it a test or two (or ten) and leave me any feedback in post #43. Thanks.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              @Awesomus Maximus, Very cool, any way to get it on Razzball?

              • Awesomus Maximus

                Awesomus Maximus says:
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                @Grey, Yeah, absolutely. Once I’m finished with it, I can just email you the HTML pages and you’ll be able to upload it to a folder on your server (or someone who knows how to do that can do it).

                • Grey

                  Grey says:
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                  @Awesomus Maximus, Sweet, thanks!

                  • Awesomus Maximus

                    Awesomus Maximus says:
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                    @Grey, Consider it my daiquiri… since, y’know, I can’t afford a real daiquiri, or the virtual daiquiri. The basic version is done. Please give it a test or two (or ten) and leave me any feedback in post #43. Thanks.

        • royce! says:
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          @Steve, I don’t know if this would help, but there are 17 tiers in the top 80 pitchers posts.

          1.
          Halladay
          Kershaw
          Lee
          Verlander

          2.
          Lincecum
          Felix
          Sabathia
          Greinke

          3.
          Hamels
          Bumarger
          Gallardo
          Price
          Lester

          4.
          Haren
          Weaver
          Wilson

          5.
          Gio
          Cain
          Latos
          Strasburg
          Dan Hudson
          Zimmermann
          Garza
          Anibal Sanchez

          6.
          Josh Johnson
          Kennedy
          Darvish
          Beckett
          Romero
          Shields
          Hanson

          7.
          Moore
          Scherzer
          Jimenez
          Marcum
          Beachy
          Morrow
          Luebke

          8.
          Carpenter
          Cueto
          Pineda
          Wainwright

          9.
          Oswalt
          Chacin
          Cahill
          Jaime Garcia

          10.
          Feliz
          Lewis
          Holland

          11.
          Masterson
          T. Hudson
          Fister
          Ervin Santana
          Jurrjens
          Buchholz
          Hellickson

          12.
          Jonathan Sanchez
          Worley
          Minor
          Wandy
          McCarthy
          Stauffer
          Lilly
          Baker
          Peavy

          13.
          Vogelsong
          Niese
          Norris
          Leake
          Dempster
          Edwin Jackson

          14.
          Kuroda
          Danks
          Buehrle
          Nova
          Floyd
          Collmenter

          15.
          Liriano

          16.
          Cecil
          Bailey
          Sale
          Bard
          Peacock
          Volquez

          17.
          Nolasco
          Davis
          Zambrano
          Johan Santana

          These are the options that this post advocates:

          1 or 2, 5, 7, 12, 16

          3, 4, 7, 12, 12, 16

          3, 5, 7, 7, 12, 16

          4, 3 * 5 or 7, X, 16

          5, 5, 7, 7, 12, 16

          • royce! says:
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            @royce!, Crap, sorry. Didn’t seem that long of a post when I wrote it in word.

            • Grey

              Grey says:
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              @royce!, More madness, I love it!

              • Steve says:
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                @Grey, I am asking my brain to do things it is not equipped for.

          • royce! says:
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            @royce!, Oh, also, you could add “don’t draft anyone from tiers 6, 8, 10, 11, 14, 15, or 17, though that is implied insofar as none of those options are included in the proposed pairings.

            • Awesomus Maximus

              Awesomus Maximus says:
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              @royce!, I haven’t included any of Grey’s “don’t draft these guys” in my web-based tool. Please check my new post (#43) for the address.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Awesomus Maximus, And luckily your comment wasn’t number thirty-one or else the planet would’ve imploded.

  35. sandles says:
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    RIP Gary Carter:(

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @sandles, That’s a shame…

  36. zzzzzz says:
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    Best 4 keepers? 10 team H2H, non-auction, no keeper limits

    Napoli, Mike(1B,C) TEX
    Votto, Joey(1B) CIN
    Weeks, Rickie(2B) MIL
    Moustakas, Mike(3B) KC
    Andrus, Elvis(SS) TEX
    Upton, B.J.(OF) TB
    Upton, Justin(OF) ARI
    Werth, Jayson(OF) WAS
    Jennings, Desmond(OF) TB
    Morse, Michael(1B,OF) WAS
    Youkilis, Kevin(3B) BOS
    Pence, Hunter(OF) PHI

    Chacin, Jhoulys(SP) COL
    Harrison, Matt(SP) TEX
    Kuroda, Hiroki(SP) NYY
    Myers, Brett(SP) HOU
    Oswalt, Roy(SP) PHI
    Kimbrel, Craig(RP) ATL
    Marmol, Carlos(RP) CHC
    Bumgarner, Madison(SP) SF
    Haren, Dan(SP) LAA
    Hudson, Daniel(SP) ARI
    Marcum, Shaun(SP) MIL

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @zzzzzz, Votto, Justin, Bum, Andrus…Can go with Jennings instead of Andrus if you’re feeling that…

  37. Jon says:
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    Grey –

    In one of my favorite (and yet most ridiculous cuz it’s 9×9 – don’t ask) leagues, we’re allowed two keepers, one of which must be a pitcher (unfortunately). I have Swiggy as my offensive guy, and then must choose from the following humps as my pitcher keeper (wasn’t able to swing a late-season deal to upgrade):

    Kimbrel
    Kennedy
    Beachy
    Morrow
    Jimenez
    Luebke
    Liriano
    Chapman
    And 6 other knuckleheads who aren’t worth mentioning

    We can only start two RPs (we have to start 7 SPs) in any given week and both Saves and Holds are categories, so that effectively eliminates Kimbrel. The rankings say keep Kennedy, but I’m tempted to keep Beachy (or someone else) instead, because I’m not sold on Kennedy at all. Am I over-thinking this? Who would you keep of this pile of shizz?

    Thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Jon, I’d go with Kennedy, but him and Beachy are kinda tomato-tomahto in your league… There’s gonna be so many available at the draft anyway.

  38. royce! says:
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    While putting together that stupidly long comment, I realized that the list of options in this post does not include the tier of “Guys that no one seems that excited about that I’ll draft.” (Oswalt, Chacin, etc.) So you’re going to have to start over…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @royce!, You still did a commendable job.

      • royce! says:
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        @Grey, seriously, are those in tier #9 (oswalt, chacin, etc.) essentially members of tier #12 (filthy Sanchez, Worley)?

      • royce! says:
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        @Grey, Rereading my post, I think I might have not made my point very precisely. What I was trying to say is that none of your pitcher pairings include the tier of “Guys that no one seems that excited about that I’ll draft.”

        • Grey

          Grey says:
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          @royce!, They are they’re just a tad above.

  39. yankees2012 says:
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    Hello Grey. What would you think of the following pitching rotation:

    Sabbathia/Greinke
    D. Hudson
    Gio Gonzalez/A. Sanchez
    Strasburg (12th Round Keeper)
    Ubaldo/Scherzer
    Minor

    Too SP heavy?

    Thanks much Grey. Great job by the way.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @yankees2012, No, that looks solid. If you wanted to skip Ubaldo/Scherzer and take a pitcher from the Sanchez grouping, you could.

  40. TheNewGuy says:
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    Hey Grey just took Olt with my previous pick and am looking to take a speedy infidel with my current one. Was set to take Juan Segura but then I noticed his BB rate isnt all that (ours is OBP league not AVG). Might Cory Spangenberg be a better bet?

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @TheNewGuy, Sure, switch out the two.

  41. sandles says:
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    @Grey
    Hope Thursday has been a good day for you sir!
    I have a in draft question for ya.
    Say I have drafted a team so far of
    12 team(roto, 2 catchers & 5 OF’s)
    Longo, Fielder, Bruce & Uggla
    The 6th round comes around and B.J. Upton and Victorino are both on the board. Who would you go with?
    If I go with Upton do I put myself in a too far of a hole for BA? I would already have a ton of power and Upton’s speed would be a welcome addition. I could then go after say Maurer, Either or Kendrick. With my 7th and 8th round picks(to help with the BA).
    Shane brings nothing spectacular. He does help with AVG and 20+ SB’s.
    Then I could go after Emilo or Gordan in say the 14 or 15th round of the draft.
    Or is it way to early to think about Brett Gardner in the 6th?
    What route would you go?
    Thanks!

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @sandles, I just got a Swedish massage, you tell me! I wouldn’t want Upton with Uggla but if you can get Kendrick or Mauer then it’s all good. Then Emilio or Gordon would work…

      • sandles says:
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        @Grey,
        Thanks for the feedback.
        Hahaha it’s a good day to be Grey!

    • Steve says:
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      @Steve, Or should I say, his first book.

      • royce! says:
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        @Steve, Did not read the book, but I have read a lot of his blog posts, and they were great. I bet the book is worthwhile.

  42. Awesomus Maximus

    Awesomus Maximus says:
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    ***** ATTENTION ALL RAZZHANDS *****

    I’ve set up a web-based system to help you stick to Grey’s Pitcher Pairings while drafting. I would appreciate it greatly if as many of you as possible could jump on and test it out (at least one run through). Just want to make sure I don’t have any dead links, bugs, or mistakes in logic. Thank you in advance for any feedback you can offer. Here is the link:

    http://www.kevinkwalter.com/_fbb/pitcher_pairings_1.html

    • Awesomus Maximus

      Awesomus Maximus says:
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      @Awesomus Maximus, Just added all of Grey’s Top 300 rankings to all pages.

    • royce! says:
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      @Awesomus Maximus, That’s awesome. Is it a problem that I always seem to end up being told that my last pitcher should be from the same group? It’s hard to reconcile “fantasy” with determinism. I will draft Verlander and Sabathia!!!

      • Awesomus Maximus

        Awesomus Maximus says:
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        @royce!, No, not a problem. In all scenarios, Grey says your last pick should be Peacock. I take that to mean, “Take someone from the Peacock area.” After all, if you play in a league with other Razzball readers, there won’t be enough Peacocks for all of you.

    • TheNewGuy says:
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      @Awesomus Maximus, Awesomus work Maximus, think ill try using this on draft day!

      • Awesomus Maximus

        Awesomus Maximus says:
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        @TheNewGuy, Thanks. Let me know how it works in practice. I don’t think it should take too much time to just switch a window and click a link, but every second counts.

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Awesomus Maximus, Great shizz! Once I get home, later today, I want lay with it some more. Hmm, that sounds a little weird. Also, I have a new post at 11 AM PST today, if you could, put it in those comments too so it gets fresh eyes.

      • Awesomus Maximus

        Awesomus Maximus says:
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        @Grey, Will do. Thanks for the heads up.

  43. jimbo says:
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    In response to my top 300 mock team I understand now what you meant about too much pitching.

    I might opt for the end of my league’s snake–well hellooo operator–because it can (doesn’t all the time) help me to not reach for pitchers. Sometimes it appears a guy has fallen, but what if most other names in his tier are still available too? It isn’t just about that one guy…you’re saying it is about maximizing an overall player portfolio?

    “Have you ever read Grey? …have you ever read Grey, on weeed?”

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @jimbo, Ha!

  44. the grate one says:
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    grey, who do you think will be the top 5 hitters for the next 5 years?

    i know its just a guess, but who do you guess…

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @the grate one, Upton, Votto, Miggy, Longoria, Kemp…

      • the grate one says:
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        @Grey, thanks! starting over in a keeper league. those will be my first round targets…thanks

  45. Jon D says:
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    Hey Grey! 10 team 5×5 HTH. Keeper values are re-assigned every 2 years based on CBS Top 300… kind of a weird format but that’s ok.

    I like my roster a lot. Guys I’m pretty set on keeping are C. Santana, Hosmer, Cano, Tulo, Ryan Zimm, Lawrie, Stanton, Jennings, Berkman, Lester, Jordan Zimm and Anibal. I have 30 points left to spend which could go towards Jered Weaver (25) + Freddie Freeman (5) OR Tommy Hanson (24) + Danny Espinosa (6).

    What say you? Espinosa could take my MI spot OR Freeman could slide in at DH (assuming Hosmer 1B, Lawrie CI, and Berkman OF). Depending on which of those position players I keep, I’m looking to draft my last starting OF, starting MI or DH, depth, and pitching, pretty much.

    Thanks for any advice!

    • Jon D says:
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      @Jon D, ooooor I could forgot about either Weaver or Hanson and keep Rollins + Heyward (both worth 15).

    • Grey

      Grey says:
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      @Jon D, Rollins and Heyward… Take followups to the newest post of mine…

  46. Jon D says:
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    @Grey ooooor I could forgot about either Weaver or Hanson and keep Rollins + Heyword (both worth 15).

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