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0I’m a pretty harsh critic of Razzball, but occasionally we’ll post things that I even feel are extremely helpful. Usually these are done by other people for our site. One of those things was the Fantasy Baseball War Room. (Now with an NL-Only and AL-Only version.) Another helpful thingie-ma-whosie is the 2010 fantasy baseball tiers, brought to you by regular commenter and all-around solid F.O.R., Figgy. This fantasy baseball tier sheet is like the Cliff Notes version of the 2010 fantasy baseball rankings. The tiers give you where I ranked players, their ADPs and the tier names which should give you a rough idea of what I’m thinking when you don’t have much time.
If you’re in a tight squeeze in a draft and you don’t have time to look at a dozen different posts or read everything I wrote about a player, you just look at the fantasy baseball tiers and you know quickly know where a guy ranks and a snapshot of what I’m thinking. For instance, you see Manny Ramirez sitting there in your draft. You quickly scan the fantasy baseball tiers and see I have him below lots of names and right behind Carlos Lee. Their ADPs say Lee is at 70 and Manny is at 62, so I like Lee more than Manny, but others don’t. I also say, “This is your father’s fantasy baseball outfield.” So you can quickly infer I’m saying these guys are old and are on the way down rather than up. There’s a place for solid but unexciting, but that’s exactly what you’re getting there. You look at the 2nd tier in the 1st basemen and you can quickly see I like Morneau better than Youuuuuk and Mini Donkey though their ADPs say others like them in the reverse order. Anyway, you get the gist. Now thank Figgy.
Also, frequent commenter, Steve went the extra mile and put my top 300 for 2010 fantasy baseball into a spreadsheet. Okay, now thank Steve.
Finally, we added a new category to the Fantasy Baseball Team Name Generator. I got the Pseudo-Intellectual Andujars. But don’t tell him.
Hey Grey, as usual great stuff. However I need you to tell me why you would avoid Gallardo. Only 185 innings last year so they handled him well. His injury was a freak leg injury while running to first base a guy ran into his leg. He even comes at a discount because he (as i predicted) got tired last year and threw a couple clunkers. I dont see any reason he doesnt get 200 innings. If he does, 15wins, 3.30 era, 175 k’s all seem like locks. so tell me why i shouldnt be so high on him. and sorry this is so long lol
Hey Grey, as usual great stuff. However I need you to tell me why you would avoid Gallardo. Only 185 innings last year so they handled him well. His injury was a freak leg injury while running to first base a guy ran into his leg. He even comes at a discount because he (as i predicted) got tired last year and threw a couple clunkers, skewing his numbers. I dont see any reason he doesnt get 200 innings. If he does, 15wins, 3.30 era, 175 k’s all seem like locks. so tell me why i shouldnt be so high on him. and sorry this is so long lol
I got the Indented Deli Counter Tickets, love it!
once again a great cheat sheet for those of us not yet studied up,great and thank you,and sidekick steve great job also
I love it. This completely removes my need to think at all for myself. Plus, what amazing analysis, as I had no idea Manny Ramirez and Carlos Lee are on the way down, and not on the way up. I would have never been able to reach that conclusion myself.
Lets be real. We read this column because you have an entertaining writing style, and we are addicted to fantasy baseball. Is anybody really going to be in a tight squeeze in a fantasy draft and be unable to make a quick decision on their own? If so, I feel sorry for them.
Please, the value of this blog is not the creating of tiers, which is hardly a novel science. The value is in the clever writing and analysis on players.
Amazing, Amazing, Amazing stuff.
Haha it gave me Emptionally Stunted Righettis!
And thank you so much both Figgy and Steve, I’ve been waiting for this ever since I caught wind of it in the comments.
This’ll tremendously help out in the later parts of my draft. Again, thank you!
Nice work gentlemen. Oh-so very helpful. Looking forward to another immensely entertaining and informative season; & keeping this site enough off-kilter to fend off the ever growing populous. Keeping it real. Grey’s kind of like a similarly mustached Gandhi in that way. Certainly worth an occasional Daiquiri fellas! Pitchers & Catcher in ONE Week!!!!!!!!!!
Yahoo opened last night with some crazy rankings:
Tulo #7
mauer and lince at 8 and 9 which pushes….
tex 12
howard 13
prince 14
miggy 15 (PICKS 12-15 awesome awesome awesome!)
j-up 18
pedroia 21?
carl 22
SANDOVAL 29
ahead of zimmerman 33
jeter 36
F-her 39
CHOO #44!?
reynolds 46
reyes 48! wowsers there might be some value if he slides….
derek lee 51 (lost his value)
Lind 59 I likey
Kershaw 82 DAMMIT
Stewart 119
Bruce 132
david price 237…. SLEEPER
frank frank 240
Happ 259
everth 270 (wow)
Pierre 280
snider 292
chris davis 301!
dotel 303
capps 392
Lindstrom 553? doesnt he have a job in HOU closing?
1401 BRAD NELSON
No importance to brad nelson but how bad would it suck that there’s 1400 players listed ranked supposedly on VALUE and you’re dead last at 1401!
Grey I need to ask what would you do in this circumstance with these rankings? Do i wanna import in MDC ranks that i’m use to, just setup my own, or basically just realize there’s some guys i’m not going to get now after they F’d stuff up…. look for the value picks, pass on guys they move up way too far?
carp at #34! wow
Love the Tiers! It’s the baseball equivalent of the “Tier Tool” I used for my football draft (Tier Tool courtesy of…Razzball Football guys!).
Anyway, is there any chance of getting this in an Excel format? I would like to have some flexibility around printing as well as create an NL-only version– unless someone else has already accomplished.
Thanks,
Very helpful stuff; thanks Figgy and Steve for putting it together. Don Juan, I think you are missing the point with these materials–they are intended to be the shorthand that jogs your memory when you are tight for time in the middle of the draft. Obviously there is no substitute for reading the full analyses of the different players, as well as synthesizing all that material into your own rankings, but it can be helpful, maybe even necessary, to have a simplified version of that material to trigger the full analysis in your mind at the draft.
@Don Juan
If you don’t like them you don’t have to use them. Nobody is forcing you to use the rankings, tiers, and other spreadsheets on this site for your draft but most people do use them. You don’t have to be rude about it.
@Mike: 2008 to 2009 was a huge bump in innings. I wrote about him here:
http://razzball.com/top-20-starters-for-2010-fantasy-baseball/
@Tony: Besides how you draft. I just look at my own cheat sheets and ignore their rankings, but if it helps import your MDC rankings in.
Those 12-15 picks are silly. How did Tulo end up at 7? That doesn’t even make any sense. Are they assuming he’s going to steal 20 bags again? Reyes at 48? Hmm… Those are kinda crazy.
@Howie: Hmm… Maybe ask Steve. Not sure.
Those crazy Yahoo! rankings appear to correspond to Rotowire’s top 200 EXACTLY. Would be interested to see if their projected stats are also the same.
Liriano at 964 on Yahoo.
Yeah, Yahoo’s kinda nutty, wow.
@ Grey: The Chone is the top third baseman on the board in my deep keeper league, and it’s a looong way down to #s 2 & 3: Mr. Larry Jones and Mr. Jorge Cantu. I’ve got Tulo and Phillips, that enough power up the middle to offset Figgins, or you recommend punting with a Headley/Encarnacion type much later?
if yahoo rankings were so good – no one would have to show up to the draft
Hey Steve- it would be brilliant if you posted the top 300 in an excel format.
@Antrim Warriors: I did a mock last night and I was rather boggled by the weird rankings. Then again, my draft mates were awful. One guy drafted Mauer at #3 and Tulo at #5. Braun went 7th. I had the ninth pick and got Howard and Wright. IF you play with Yahoo and your league mates stick to their rankings, you’re going to be able to find great value later in the draft.
@tourinct:
I believe they were imported directly from Rotowire actually
@tourinct:
and on another note, if i remember correctly, Yahoo made their projections.
So Rotowires rankings, Yahoo’s predictions
@Grey, Figgy, Steve:
Great stuff this morning. Thanks!!
Regarding pre-rankings, whenever they move someone up, someone else has to move down. I look for value, so even though I like Tulo, he won’t be on any of my Yahoo teams. Jose Reyes will. I actually think they did some clever things, like keeping David Wright high. I was getting him in the second or third round on other sites. That won’t happen on Yahoo.
Anyways, a fun morning.
Thanks for the diligent work Figgy and Steve, ad Grey for hosting those documents.
Grey…thanks for the tiers. Useful. I have questions about the OF’s. Ethier, Cruz, Jones are power threats with weak speed? Sure, they’re not going to steal 30 but they could all get close to, or beyond 20 couldn’t they? Couldn’t Pacman become a legit 20/20 guy?
Does Melvin Moora’s signing in Colorado affecting your ranking of Ian Stewart? If he loses 100-150 PA, his projections seem to slide quite a bit . . .
Grey, question regarding your top 100 post:
You rank Nathan, Mo, Broxton, and Papelbon 89-92, saying you won’t get them so late. IF, they do fall to the 89-92 picks is that good value to get me some Nathan or Broxton? I went over this delima a little bit last night with a mock.
Oh, and these tiers are awesome!!
@Grey: In which 1B stratum would you place Adam LaRoche?
@Antrim Warriors: wow i musta missed liriano haha, i kinda wasn’t paying attention once i got past FIVE HUNDRED!!!!
@Grey: Ya they’re crazy. Been texting back and forth with my commish (smart owner), he’s actually debating on taking TULO at 7 and hoping a big bat (tex, miggy, fielder, howard) come back since they’re ranked 12-15 and he’s sitting with the 8th or 9th pick. The only thing i see wrong in his logic is thats fine and dandy if everyone goes in order taking yahoo’s advice, first guy that says F YAHOO and snags prince at 10 is gonna throw his whole plan outta whack, and its already past his pick so he can do nothing and I sit at picks 12 & 13, if I see Miggy and Tex sitting there…. I might just have me a little 1B sandwhich…. I hate doing that tho. If Longo or Wright are there I’d rather take the FOR SURE 3B option and a BIG 1B bat and pass on getting two similar guys. Because if I bank on Youk, Zim, or Panda coming back in the 3rd I might be wrong and get no one…. because yahoo has them ALL ranked high enough to where they COULD be gone…. grrrr yahoo, helping me in spots, killing me in others….
matt capps is 392 and a guy named “blake hawksworth” is 386? really….. there’s so many rookies who will never see a big league inning this year ranked above STARTING FULL TIME CLOSERS?
@Howie: Yes, I’m also wondering why I should avoid Adam LaRoche? How far fetched is 90/25/90/.280? My strategy for him is avoid him in the draft, wait until he gets dropped by your team in May and pick him up in June where he’ll be hot for like 2 months only to suck in September.
Sizzling Mollusks!
I noticed that they show the ADP in the mock drafts. Its possible that Yahoo can adjust their rankings before the real drafts start. So may not be best to show off the jedi skills acquired at razzball
@matthole: They usually adjust them, so they will get better.
QUICK: Everyone start drafting Mauer 1st overall!!
@Grey: Had a mock where I had the 11th pick….Teix, Cabrera, Longoria, Wright were available.
I took Longoria hoping he’d take his pick of 1b and wright to fill out 3B. He ended up taking both Cabrera AND Teix. Rocked my world. Howd you play that scenario out if id be lucky enough to be in that predicament on draft day? Thanks
I ended up taking wright on the way back btw…..would u have drafted him or holliday?
League setting question for anyone…12 team H2H 5×5 league with standard categories. We’ve had a problem with streaming for years now and trying to limit it without changing too much. Talked about adding a category. We’ve already limited transactions. Any thoughts are much appreciated…
@royce!: If you (or anyone else or that matter!) wants ‘em in Excel format, shoot me an email – sglyon at gmail dot com.
@IowaCubs: I’m in a league which employs the good old fashioned Roto Auction and I am attempting to determine whether I keep LaRoche for a few dollars or cast him into the ocean and if I don’t get another 1B (we play two infielders at each position and I am keeping Votto), attempt to bid on LaRoche later on in the auction night.
I say “keep him for a few dollars” as my league allows six keepers, but at a cost of 1.5x in year two, 2x in year three, and after that, the player is returned to the auction pool. x=original auction price.
@Steve: Just to clarify – holler at me if you want the Albright 300 in Excel format.
Hit Figgy up for the tiers.
The Albright 300 – coming soon to a raceway near you.
@get figgy with it: Figgy, how might one go about obtaining the “Tiers” in Excel format? I don’t think Don Juan will be requesting, but I would very much like to get it into Excel such that I could create an NL-only version which I can take to my auction… Thanks!
@Tarasco’sSecretStash: I think Figgins could work there. Hope you have a decent 1st baseman.
@Frank Rizzo: What I mean is they’re more power than speed. Jones could steal 20 bases, but he’s more likely to hit 25 homers. Same with Cruz. Ethier’s barely a 7 steal threat.
@Jeff W.: As I said to someone who asked that when he signed, if Stewart doesn’t hit, he’s gone, but Mark Reynolds was behind Chad Tracy this time last year.
@GopherDay: I think they’re good value in the 90s.
@Howie: Near the bottom.
@Tony: Yeah, makes no sense.
@GTS: Nice!
@matthole: I’d take Holliday.
@Sos: Not sure what the question is, sorry.
@Grey: LaRoche above or below Loney? I’m trying to determine from your comment if that means LaRoche is “Exit Row” or “Some Upside” caliber…
@Howie: He’s a last resort. 25 homers, .260 average, decent RBIs, not many Runs.
*****JUST POSTED; THERE’S NOW AN AL-ONLY WAR ROOM TOO.****
@Grey: I should have noted I am in a 4×4 Roto Auction league so runs don’t hurt me. Does this help any or is he still “bottom of the barrel”?
@Sos:
I’m adding QS to my H2H league this year. I’m not sure if that benefits or limits a streamer. Usually the mediocre guys streamers pick up either don’t go 6 innings or get blown up for 4-5 runs in one inning. So those with strong SP are rewarded with not only a QS, but a probably W too as opposed to the streamer who gets nothing
@Howie: Makes him more enticing.
Not that I’m a big, fat Jenks fan but I just got him in the 21st round. 5 rounds after Thornton? He is still closing right?
Rounds 12-15
GoBe
IaSt
CarGo
JaBru
also Aardsma and Dotel available late, late…
@Tom Reale: Yeah, I feel like I need to do a post about that even though I think it’s pretty clear. Closers should be drafted before setup men. Nice 12-15 guys there.
@Grey: I should have said that I wasn’t the one who took Thornton…closers first no matter how bad…crystal
also…Crapps and Lyon undrafted
@Tom Reale: Nah, I knew what you meant. It’s just frustrating when anyone ever does that. Even if they’re not a Razzball reader.
Hey, every windshield needs bugs…
@Grey: which 5 keepers would u select: A-rod, Sizemore, J-up, Greinke, F-Her, Beckham (w/ss elig), Mini-donkey, Kershaw
This spreadsheet brings me to tiers! (yeah, that was bad)
I’m wondering if you’d condone this scenario Grey (and other razzerz)
It’s still early, but here are my keepers for 2010:
Arod, Kemp, Howard, King Felix, Greinke, Cano, Ichiro and Choo.
I really want to shore up my SS spot in the first round and am thinking of going with Elvis (107 overall). Is that too early? I traded my 2nd pick, so won’t see another pick until 131 overall and fear that Elvis will be off the board by then.
HanRam through Jeter are being kept by other owners – jury’s out on if Bartlett and Zobrist will also be kept, but I think both will be, and even if they aren’t they likely won’t fall to me at the 11 slot in the draft.
The other thought I had was to go with best available power hitter for my DH slot. Going SP seems a bit crazy since I have solid pitchers and can get good ones later in the draft. Or maybe going RP – but again, I can get those later in the draft.
And Q#2: At that 131 slot – would you go Catcher? I’m eyeing Soto or Montero there.
Thanks!!
@matthole: A-Rod, Sizemore, J-Upside, F-Her and Greinke. Nice keepers, btw.
@The Dude: It’s not too early to go for Andrus and it’s not too soon to go for a catcher.
Grey would you approve this team for draft date?
1. Mark Teixeira (NYY – 1B)
2. Matt Holliday (StL – OF)
3. Ryan Zimmerman (Was – 3B)
4. Curtis Granderson (NYY – OF)
5. Adam Lind (Tor – OF)
6. Dan Haren (Ari – SP)
7. Cole Hamels (Phi – SP)
8. Ubaldo Jiménez (Col – SP)
9. Heath Bell (SD – RP)
10. Matt Wieters (Bal – C)
11. Elvis Andrus (Tex – SS)
12. Ian Stewart (Col – 2B,3B)
13. Jay Bruce (Cin – OF)
14. Roy Oswalt (Hou – SP)
15. David Price (TB – SP)
16. Leo Núñez (Fla – RP)
17. Nolan Reimold (Bal – OF)
18. Ervin Santana (LAA – SP)
19. Alcides Escobar (Mil – SS)
20. Johnny Cueto (Cin – SP)
21. Kevin Gregg (Tor – RP)
22. Matt Capps (Was – RP)
23. Mat Latos (SD – SP)
Yes, I know what you’re thinking, the caliber of the drafters were below average. And you’re right, they were (Lincy 2nd overall, same guy takes Cliff Lee in 2nd round..) but what am I supposed to do with these REGULAR people?!?! I had a guy come in there and say Hawpe> Bruce. I had to dig into the Bruce fantasy outlook and slap him with some BABIP goodness and follow it up with a dropkick of his Septober stats. Suffice to say he didn’t respond after that.
@Eddy: If someone’s arguing with you that Bruce is a bad pick in the 13th round, you need better competition. Why don’t a bunch of you Razzballers get a mock together? It’s been a while.
Where’s Steve? Steve organize a mock.
C’mon Eddy, you’re supposed to agree with him and say you messed up by taking Bruce first.
@Grey: Sure – if y’all are happy to get up at 3am
@Grey:
He didn’t necessarily say it was a bad pick. When i picked him I said “here’s someone great for my Util spot’. THEN he said Hawpe>Bruce because of his proven stability. I said we’ve seen Hawpe’s ceiling and was about to say he was yawnstipating, but didn’t feel like explaining the term.
And I’d love another razzballer mock. Unfortunately Yahoo doesn’t let you organize them, so I guess MDC will do.
@brett:
Haha it’s okay, I know that I wasn’t going to convince someone who had ManRam, Hamilton, and Hawpe as part of his OF that upside can be good
@Eddy: i kinda dont tell some people if they’re arguing for Hawpe over Bruce…. Let them go finish 9th in their league, then maybe someday they’ll “stumble” over razzball and catch on…. does hawpe even have a starting gig?
they just saw bruce bat .200 for about the first half of the season, they dont know any of his minor league stats, they dont know his power, and they dont know what babip, splits, adp, or any other acronyms are…. they obviously dont know if bruce brings his average up a bit and the power comes full circle for a full healthy year you’re looking at 30+ HRs.
Hawpe is 31 years old, career .283 hitter and MIGHT hit 20 HRs this year…
its all about the floor and ceiling…. I like to reach for the ceiling.
This is a GREAT cheat sheet. How can I print this? I can only get the top 25.
On a side note, you have Johan Santana stats listed under hitters instead of pitchers.
Hey, i need some help for a keeper choice. I got to decide between sizemore and reyes. Im leaning towards sizemore becuz the league has no 2B/SS slot, but has 5 OF spots. On the other hand, Reyes has higher upside, and Utley, Kemp and Miggy are my other three keepers, so if he rebounded he could win me my league.
@Tony:
Couldnt have said it better myself. It’s just aggravating when someone drafts for the previous season and not the upcoming one and they believe they’re right.
I don’t mind reasoning with random mockers as I know I’ll never see them again. I do. however, know the rule of never revealing anything to your league-mates.
I felt guilty when one of them told me there’s a “good article” on MLB.com about position tiers. I just nodded my head smiled and thanked him for the heads-up.
Feels good to be a razzballer!
@Steve: Ah… Well, someone should set it up.
@Johnny: I’d go with Sizemore.
@Grey: I keed. It’s a little tricky as the best time for everyone else is in the middle of the work day. I’ll see what I can do.
@Eddy: HAHA yep. I’ll throw out some stats, splits, etc, but if they’re set on Hawpe and his mediocrity…. so be it.
Its always good when your leaguemates stick to main stream.
My 2nd and next to last Yahoo Mock draft 12 – team – this is from the first spot – my last draft will be from the 12th spot
The Yahoo! Sports Fantasy team
Your Team
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1. Albert Pujols (StL – 1B)
2. Jayson Werth (Phi – OF) – 30 – 30
3. Curtis Granderson (NYY – OF) 30 – 30
4. Mark Reynolds (Ari – 1B,3B) – power – good things come to those who wait
5. Adam Lind (Tor – OF) power – solid three man OF
6. Jon Lester (Bos – SP) waited to round 6 and this was left
7. Elvis Andrus (Tex – SS) – more speed
8. Brett Anderson (Oak – SP) – my bad – thought you rated him higher
9. Heath Bell (SD – RP) – RP
10. Jake Peavy (CWS – SP) – I think I will be ok here
11. David Price (TB – SP)
12. Billy Wagner (Atl – RP) RP #2
13. David Aardsma (Sea – RP) RP#3
14. A.J. Burnett (NYY – SP) looking for K’s
15. Jorge De La Rosa (Col – SP) looking for K’s
16. Miguel Montero (Ari – C) did good here
17. Rajai Davis (Oak – OF) ultilty spot
18. Adrián Béltre (Bos – 3B) ultilty spot
19. Ryan Franklin (StL – RP) RP#4
20. Clint Barmes (Col – 2B,SS) waited and this what was left
21. Juan Pierre (CWS – OF) bench
22. Max Scherzer (Det – SP) works at 22
23. Brian Matusz (Bal – SP) will drop for a hitter – see what is left
POWER SPEED K’S AND ENOUGH GARBAGE CLOSERS
Round by Round results
* your team in bold
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Round 1
(1) moehair929 – Albert Pujols (StL – 1B)
(2) Team 2 – Hanley Ramírez (Fla – SS)
(3) chris – Álex Rodríguez (NYY – 3B)
(4) Lollygaggers – Chase Utley (Phi – 2B)
(5) Team 5 – Ryan Braun (Mil – OF)
(6) michael – Tim Lincecum (SF – SP)
(7) Team 7 – Matt Kemp (LAD – OF)
(8) Team 8 – Troy Tulowitzki (Col – SS)
(9) jeebusjohnson – Mark Teixeira (NYY – 1B)
(10) Team 10 – Joe Mauer (Min – C)
(11) Team 11 – David Wright (NYM – 3B)
(12) Team 12 – Evan Longoria (TB – 3B)
Round 2
(1) Team 12 – Ryan Howard (Phi – 1B)
(2) Team 11 – Prince Fielder (Mil – 1B)
(3) Team 10 – Miguel Cabrera (Det – 1B)
(4) jeebusjohnson – Matt Holliday (StL – OF)
(5) Team 8 – Ian Kinsler (Tex – 2B)
(6) Team 7 – Roy Halladay (Phi – SP)
(7) michael – Zack Greinke (KC – SP)
(8) Team 5 – Justin Upton (Ari – OF)
(9) Lollygaggers – Jacoby Ellsbury (Bos – OF)
(10) chris – Dustin Pedroia (Bos – 2B)
(11) Team 2 – Carl Crawford (TB – OF)
(12) moehair929 – Jayson Werth (Phi – OF)
Round 3
(1) moehair929 – Curtis Granderson (NYY – OF)
(2) Team 2 – Adrián González (SD – 1B)
(3) chris – Grady Sizemore (Cle – OF)
(4) Lollygaggers – CC Sabathia (NYY – SP)
(5) Team 5 – Joey Votto (Cin – 1B)
(6) michael – Félix Hernández (Sea – SP)
(7) Team 7 – Kevin Youkilis (Bos – 1B,3B)
(8) Team 8 – Ichiro Suzuki (Sea – OF)
(9) jeebusjohnson – Ryan Zimmerman (Was – 3B)
(10) Team 10 – Jimmy Rollins (Phi – SS)
(11) Team 11 – Pablo Sandoval (SF – 1B,3B)
(12) Team 12 – Kendry Morales (LAA – 1B)
Round 4
(1) Team 12 – Chris Carpenter (StL – SP)
(2) Team 11 – Víctor Martínez (Bos – C,1B)
(3) Team 10 – Derek Jeter (NYY – SS)
(4) jeebusjohnson – José Reyes (NYM – SS)
(5) Team 8 – Brian Roberts (Bal – 2B)
(6) Team 7 – Brian McCann (Atl – C)
(7) michael – Johan Santana (NYM – SP)
(8) Team 5 – Ben Zobrist (TB – 2B,SS,OF)
(9) Lollygaggers – Brandon Phillips (Cin – 2B)
(10) chris – Robinson Canó (NYY – 2B)
(11) Team 2 – B.J. Upton (TB – OF)
(12) moehair929 – Mark Reynolds (Ari – 1B,3B)
Round 5
(1) moehair929 – Adam Lind (Tor – OF)
(2) Team 2 – Shin-Soo Choo (Cle – OF)
(3) chris – Aaron Hill (Tor – 2B)
(4) Lollygaggers – Aramis Ramírez (ChC – 3B)
(5) Team 5 – Dan Haren (Ari – SP)
(6) michael – Cliff Lee (Sea – SP)
(7) Team 7 – Derrek Lee (ChC – 1B)
(8) Team 8 – Justin Morneau (Min – 1B)
(9) jeebusjohnson – Justin Verlander (Det – SP)
(10) Team 10 – Nick Markakis (Bal – OF)
(11) Team 11 – Jason Bay (NYM – OF)
(12) Team 12 – Yovani Gallardo (Mil – SP)
Round 6
(1) Team 12 – Andrew McCutchen (Pit – OF)
(2) Team 11 – Adam Wainwright (StL – SP)
(3) Team 10 – Bobby Abreu (LAA – OF)
(4) jeebusjohnson – Josh Johnson (Fla – SP)
(5) Team 8 – Denard Span (Min – OF)
(6) Team 7 – Michael Young (Tex – 3B)
(7) michael – Javier Vázquez (NYY – SP)
(8) Team 5 – Nelson Cruz (Tex – OF)
(9) Lollygaggers – Chone Figgins (Sea – 3B)
(10) chris – Ubaldo Jiménez (Col – SP)
(11) Team 2 – Carlos Lee (Hou – OF)
(12) moehair929 – Jon Lester (Bos – SP)
@Steve: Okay, sounds good.
@mrbaseball: Besides taking Anderson in the 8th round, looks like a solid team. Pretty crazy outfield you assembled. Andrus pick looks too early as well. Your pitching has a bunch of question marks.
question marks are good ! because it can go my way – feel like I did draft enough K’s – and hate to draft pitchers to early – who knows which non question mark pitcher will be this years question mark due to injuries – better chance of less injury to my hitters –
looking at round 7 – I should have teken a starting pitcher instead of a short stop – but I did not have any cheat sheets set up – could have drafted my short stop in round 11 instead
Round 7
(1) moehair929 – Elvis Andrus (Tex – SS)
(2) Team 2 – Dan Uggla (Fla – 2B)
(3) chris – Billy Butler (KC – 1B)
(4) Lollygaggers – Adam Jones (Bal – OF)
(5) Team 5 – Adam Dunn (Was – 1B,OF)
(6) michael – Jonathan Broxton (LAD – RP)
(7) Team 7 – Wandy Rodríguez (Hou – SP)
(8) Team 8 – Torii Hunter (LAA – OF)
(9) jeebusjohnson – Lance Berkman (Hou – 1B)
(10) Team 10 – Shane Victorino (Phi – OF)
(11) Team 11 – Mariano Rivera (NYY – RP)
(12) Team 12 – Clayton Kershaw (LAD – SP)
@mrbaseball:
I like how late you got Montero. And Elvis did go by quite early. I tend to leave him for Rds 9-11, he’s still there. Instead of Wagner I believe Bruce/CarGo would’ve been great in Rd.12 since they seem to be there by then. That way you wouldn’t have to resort to Davis or Beltre for util. Never forget guys like Crapps, Gregg, and even Dotel are almost always available later. Only one of your 7 SP is in the NL. Not a great ratio to have. Be careful with those 4 SP in the AL East, that’s a combination that can backfire easily.
@mrbaseball: Yeah, that’s pretty early on pitchers there, but like you said Andrus could’ve been had in the 11th. Or EverCab in the 18th.
Brett Anderson (Oak – SP) I remember I pick him up in some leagues last year and he came up big for me – good memories – I have to erase these memories
make it round 23 9th pick for EVERCAB
Round 23
(1) moehair929 – Brian Matusz (Bal – SP)
(2) Team 2 – David Murphy (Tex – OF)
(3) chris – Daisuke Matsuzaka (Bos – SP)
(4) Lollygaggers – Dexter Fowler (Col – OF)
(5) Team 5 – Kyle Lohse (StL – SP)
(6) michael – Freddy Sánchez (SF – 2B)
(7) Team 7 – Peter Moylan (Atl – RP)
(8) Team 8 – Mike González (Bal – RP)
(9) jeebusjohnson – Everth Cabrera (SD – SS)
mock draft – most who go to these drafts at this time – just look at the yahoo ratings and take who is next – thats why the pitchers went so fast – no mind for them self – take me for instance – I use my mind on your rankings
@mrbaseball: Ha!
most drafts will take place 40 days from now – you are 40 days ahead of everyone – they will slowly figure things out
@mrbaseball: ya andrus way too early…. Werth was the best player available for you there in the 2nd round? I know its the last pick but jeesh…
I actually went thru all 1401 players today and started moving them over to my “prerankings draft list”. It was ridiculous the guys I found after a normal draft would end. Some guys I’d take a flier on were ranked in the 500-800 range…. crazy.
I saw pitchers are rated pretty early, and how all the big first base bats get slid down is beyond me, but hey, what are ya gonna do…. KNOW UR SHIZZ and take a deal when you can get it.
Is there a different strategy for drafting in 2-catcher leagues? Is it still advisable to punt catcher or is it worth grabbing a top C or even 2?
@anon: I’d try to make sure I took at least one catcher in the top 5, then grab whatever upside flier you can later on.
nothing like a 2 catcher league – boring
@Grey:
Ok, thanks for the reply, but just so I am clear in a 2 catcher league are you saying you’d use a pick in the first 5 rounds on guys like McCann, Mauer, or VMart? Or are you saying that due to scarcity at the position in 2-catcher formats a guy like Weiters is worth a pick in the 5th round?
@anon: I’d aim for one top five catcher. Make sure you have one good one. Then I’d try and grab an upside catcher much later. So McCann and Flores… Montero and Avila… Etc. Along those lines.
Hey Grey, just finished up a mock using the tiers, and all in one rankings. They were a great help. Props to all the contributors who worked on putting what you made in spreadsheets. And of course great job to you on putting it together. Fantasy baseball season just isn’t the same without you!
The mock was for a 12 team 5×5. I picked 5th.
C: Mike Napoli R14
1B: Justin Moreanu R4
2B: Chase Utley R1
SS: Alexei Ramirez R12
3B: Ian Steward R9
OF: Matt Holiday R2
OF: Grady Sizemore R3
OF: Jayson Werth R5
Util: Carlos Quentin R11
Util: Jay Bruce R13
Bench: Cameron Maybin R22
SP: Clayton Kershaw R6
SP: Ubaldo Jimenez R7
SP: Cole Hamels R8
SP: Chad Billingsley R10
SP: Jonathan Sanchez R16
SP: Johnny Cueto R18
SP: Phil Hughes R20
SP: Chris Tillman R21
SP: Shaun Marcum R23
RP: Leo Nunez R15
RP: Mike Gonzales R17
RP: Jason Frasor R19
Thoughts? I think Marcum is a bit of a homer pick, but he could have a great bounceback year. Hughes could flop but it was a round 20 pick. Kershaw and Stewart might of been reaches but I thought they had good value and filled the holes I needed to fill.
@Nick0rz: Your team’s hitting looks decent. You look a little light on speed. That’ll happen when you don’t have someone to get 30+ steals in the infield. It’s nicely balanced though. With a lot of guys contributing 10 to 20 steals. If Maybin stole 20+, you would be fine. But he’s a bit of a wild card. Your pitching looks fine. Kershaw is a reach, but it worked out okay. I don’t mind you taking fliers like Marcum that late. You’re only holding onto one or two of your final picks anyway.
@Grey: do you recommend that approach? to take 3-4 SPs in consecutive rds like that? or would u be content with 2. Also, do you think not so sexi alexei is good value at rd 12 or would you hold out for everth
@matthole: It worked okay for you in the end, but you do have a lot of top tier pitching. I definitely wouldn’t do that in a five outfielder league.
@Grey: was commenting on snickorz draft
@matthole: Yeah, so was I. Didn’t realize it wasn’t your draft.
@Grey…I think something needs to be said about “ADP” at mockdraft central…while I use it and do think it has some use, it must be taken with a grain of salt.
I have done numerous mock drafts and at best only half the room is on autodraft (you can tell b-c that team picks instantly for each pick after the 1st round). With that being said don’t you think that ADP is shortsighted when half the time it is the computer automatically drafting whatever player that MockDraftCentral has ranked in their specified order?
It seems to me that ADP is mainly a mirror image of MockDraftCentral’s player rankings.
For example: Carlos Delgado (163), Paul Konerko (217). First off, Carlos Delgado isn’t on a team and may retire while konerko is what he is. Regardless, this is a clear example of how the autopick during a draft effects the ADP rankings and is something that should be taken in account when looking at ADP.
Thoughts?
@mrbaseball: The reason pitchers went so fast is because one guy picked 7 pitchers in the first 7 rounds. That mock should be thrown out. Dude went:
1. Lincecum
2. Greinke
3. Felix
4. Johan
5. Cliff Lee
6. Vazquez
7. Broxton
That’s all you posted, except for the 23rd, were he finally got Freddy Sanchez at 2B…
@Grey: I know that you normally like to fill out your bench with SP/RPs. Does the same apply for 2010? Or do you recommend using some of those picks on high upside guys like jennings, heyward, maybin, krispie & delmon (assuming they all play, etc). Should these guys step up you can trade an existing starter for a missing/needed position.
Even a post-hype sleeper like alex gordon may even be worth a bench spot for the first month or so since 3B is so thin. If he develops into the 4/5 cat stud hes supposed to be; that can be a very valuable asset as opposed to a potential closer since they turnover frequently ie SAGNOF
or would u rather own guys like dotel, capps, madson, thornton, joba
@Drew _Pelham: MDC actually has a good method of normalizing “auto-draft” problem. You can read about what they do here:
http://www.mockdraftcentral.com/report_adp_calc.jsp
This is a key snippit from the above link:
Rather than filtering out individual computer selections, which is statistically invalid, we exclude entire drafts where computer selections exceed the threshold. The threshold varies by number of drafts run during a reporting period. During peak drafting periods the threshold is ratched upward, while during less intense periods, the threshold is relaxed a bit.
@Grey: It looks like Yahoo doesn’t have him draftable atm, but if he were to become draftable, in a long term keeper league with 8 keeper slots how early is it acceptable to draft Jason Heyward if he:
a)has a starting job
b)starts the season in the minors
@Drew _Pelham: I do my rankings with very little consideration made to what others are doing. ESPN and Yahoo’s rankings aren’t even around when I’m ranking in December and January. Only later do I look to see if someone is being under or overvalued by looking at ADP. ADP is a quick shorthand to see generally what others are doing. For Delgado specifically, as of mid-January he looked like he was going to sign and do what he’s always done. People were drafting then and drafting him. So he has an ADP. I had him above Konerko as of January. If you’re drafting an old 1st baseman in the last rounds of the draft, you have other issues on your team.
@matthole: Dotel and Capps are closers as of right now, they should be owned before any bench hitter.
@The Dude: A) In the 150s. B) In the early 200s.
@the dude – thanks for the link – although they do not say what constitutes a draft where “comp selections exclude the threshold.” Understand that all online computerized drafts are heavily influenced by the rankings that are put in place by that specific fantasy baseball site. I think that ADP and the MDC rankings share quite a strong similarity. That’s all I’m saying.
@grey – i dig your rankings and i was in no way trying to say that you specifically focus too much on ADP. I prefer your rankings to most as they are a bit outside the box and going against conventional thinking. That is all I was trying to do with my ADP comment (bring some attention to the situation). On the 1B comment – this is truth, but MDC updates their ADP constantly, and the most recent ADP listing was run from 450 drafts from 2/3-2/10. It would be fair to assume that computer auto selections are the ones drafting Delgado so early.
Its good to ask questions ya diggg…
What do you guys think the best spot to draft in 12 team league this year? I mostly preferred somewhere in the middle, more like 4,5,6, but I like 10,11,12 spots this year due to the quality players you can get towards the end of the first round and beginning of the second round. Any thought?
@Drew _Pelham: Yeah, totally. Was a good question.
@kc: I prefer the end of the round. I like to be able to take back to back picks at the end of the 1st round. So you can potentially have Longoria and Howard… Or Fielder and Holliday… Etc.